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As my question implies, can anyone break it down for me as to why it is a good move to root my phone? I'm on AT&T right now, with ADW EX home launcher. I'm happy with the overall speed. Can you list out some advantages of rooting? I'm not looking for the general reasons to root, I want reasons SPECIFIC to the Atrix on AT&T. Sideloading and Amazon app store are the only two reasons I have so far. What is the advantage in terms of battery life, speed, stability, overheating etc? What about compatibility with future motorola updates? Thanks!
sideloading and amazon app pretty much sums it up for now, and the ability to install psuedo roms like gingerblur and Gladiatrix
Oh. that brings me to the second point, rooting lets you remove bloat apps and install apps that need root, like this new app I'm trying called LBE Security Service.
Later on, when custom roms and kernels are made, you'll have to have Superuser access (root) before you can access those parts of the data.
Advantages in terms of battery life, speed, stability etc? It depends on the rom you load. Some roms may boast extended battery life/speed and if you install those, you would have those extra features. For now, since we have nothing of that sort, you will remain stock with root, but you'll be ready if/when something comes out.
Last word, I say root it. It lets you customize your android experience. You can install new fonts, remove that ATT bloatware, and you can sideload (try out betas, etc)
(Oops, real last word)
Compatibility with future updates? You'll probably have to flash with SBF to update from now on instead of OTA, but thats a preference anyway. In the end, you will be able to update fine, so don't worry about it. Though if you are lazy to do research and actually invest time into your phone, I say don't root it because theres no point. If you want to experience android in its fullest and customize as much as you can, ROOT is the only way.
Hope I hoped.
Rooting Advantages:
-Sideloading
-P-ROMS (basically an enhanced theme)
-Custom Themes
-Custom Apps such as Applanet(best app you'll ever come across)
-Battery life is extended a bit, nothing drastic though
-Speed seems be a bit better, nothing greatly drastic
-The heat production is pretty much the same
-Memory does free up a bit more (mostly in the P-ROMS)
-Bloatware removed (lots of useless ****)
Disadvantage
-issues with P-ROMS, sometimes when installing they work properly and sometimes they don't.
-Root access sometimes lost if unused for a long period of time.
I'd say wait until the bootloader either gets hacked or bypassed because you'll save yourself tons of heartache.
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-Root access sometimes lost if unused for a long period of time.
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I never heard that!
Well About root, you can make your phone really yours adding new features or customizing everything you want: You can add support for Cisco VPNs, enable hotspot and sideloading, change the clock speed of your phone processor, and so on!
chaitu45 said:
As my question implies, can anyone break it down for me as to why it is a good move to root my phone? I'm on AT&T right now, with ADW EX home launcher. I'm happy with the overall speed. Can you list out some advantages of rooting? I'm not looking for the general reasons to root, I want reasons SPECIFIC to the Atrix on AT&T. Sideloading and Amazon app store are the only two reasons I have so far. What is the advantage in terms of battery life, speed, stability, overheating etc? What about compatibility with future motorola updates? Thanks!
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Dont. No reason for you to root.
If you haft to ask a question like this than dont
Mafisometal said:
Rooting Advantages:
-P-ROMS (basically an enhanced theme)
-Custom Apps such as Applanet(best app you'll ever come across)
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*P-roms are not just enhanced themes. They include tweaks and mods in them.
*Applanet promotes piracy and hurts the developers communities. Promoting it in XDA is prohibited by the way.
Mafisometal said:
Rooting Advantages:
-Sideloading
-P-ROMS (basically an enhanced theme)
-Custom Themes
-Custom Apps such as Applanet(best app you'll ever come across)
-Battery life is extended a bit, nothing drastic though
-Speed seems be a bit better, nothing greatly drastic
-The heat production is pretty much the same
-Memory does free up a bit more (mostly in the P-ROMS)
-Bloatware removed (lots of useless ****)
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Reported for promoting theft (Applanet)
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Reported for promoting theft (Applanet)
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Childish.
While I don't agree with people using App Planet and ripping of developers, he never said "download app planet and get all those awesome apps for free" or "you can steal em!"
He answered the guys question based on his beliefs and not ours. You can not fault him for telling the truth as he sees it.
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Childish.
While I don't agree with people using App Planet and ripping of developers, he never said "download app planet and get all those awesome apps for free" or "you can steal em!"
He answered the guys question based on his beliefs and not ours. You can not fault him for telling the truth as he sees it.
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"(best app you'll ever come across)" is more than just a recommendation.
Why you think he told the OP applanet is the best he will ever come across? What is it applanet has to be that? think about it and be logical.
CyberPunk7t9 said:
"(best app you'll ever come across)" is more than just a recommendation.
Why you think he told the OP applanet is the best he will ever come across? What is it applanet has to be that? think about it and be logical.
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I have thought about it. The OP asked a question and to the person who answered, he answered honestly and told him what he thought.
Remember, our right is sometimes someone elses wrong, and vice versa. It all depends on perspective.
He may have said applanet, but he never said download it. All I am saying is it was childish for him to be reported for mentioning the app and that he uses it. It would be much the same as someone admitting the downloaded mp3s from a torrent site. Just because someone mentions one, it does not mean he is telling people to go to that site and download music he has not paid for and has no legal right to do it.
Besides are we not on a website that has software dedicated to screwing over our carriers and voiding our agreements with the carriers? You can not call foul on one person and not the others.
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DarrellRaines said:
I have thought about it. The OP asked a question and to the person who answered, he answered honestly and told him what he thought.
Remember, our right is sometimes someone elses wrong, and vice versa. It all depends on perspective.
He may have said applanet, but he never said download it. All I am saying is it was childish for him to be reported for mentioning the app and that he uses it. It would be much the same as someone admitting the downloaded mp3s from a torrent site. Just because someone mentions one, it does not mean he is telling people to go to that site and download music he has not paid for and has no legal right to do it.
Besides are we not on a website that has software dedicated to screwing over our carriers and voiding our agreements with the carriers? You can not call foul on one person and not the others.
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I agree with what you're saying on the general level and not just specifically our topic here.
All what we're saying plain and simple.. XDA does not allow warez/applanet topics.
You can find many closed topics like this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022363
This could have been avoided. OP's questions were about rooting. Applanet does not even require it.
CyberPunk7t9 said:
I agree with what you're saying on the general level and not just specifically our topic here.
All what we're saying plain and simple.. XDA does not allow warez/applanet topics.
You can find many closed topics like this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022363
This could have been avoided. OP's questions were about rooting. Applanet does not even require it.
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Oh I know it's against the rules and I have a huge problem with people not paying for their apps.
I am just not a big fan of the pot calling the kettle black. Technically using pdanet or any of the free tethers to bypass our carriers system is the same as screwing a good developer out of money.
The fact that we will report someone for mentioning applanet while many still do other methods to screw someone over, well it seems childish. Maybe I should just shut up and move on, but then I would feel wrong for not saying something.
However on topic, if you don't know why you should root, then you shouldn't consider it. Rooting will not make your experience with your phone any better or worse. It just allows you to install a few apps such as the amazon store and those found here on XDA on your phone. Technically you can do more with it, but the pros do not often out weigh the cons. Unless you have a need, don't bother with rooting.
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sideloading and amazon app pretty much sums it up for now, and the ability to install psuedo roms like gingerblur and Gladiatrix
Oh. that brings me to the second point, rooting lets you remove bloat apps and install apps that need root, like this new app I'm trying called LBE Security Service.
Later on, when custom roms and kernels are made, you'll have to have Superuser access (root) before you can access those parts of the data.
Advantages in terms of battery life, speed, stability etc? It depends on the rom you load. Some roms may boast extended battery life/speed and if you install those, you would have those extra features. For now, since we have nothing of that sort, you will remain stock with root, but you'll be ready if/when something comes out.
Last word, I say root it. It lets you customize your android experience. You can install new fonts, remove that ATT bloatware, and you can sideload (try out betas, etc)
(Oops, real last word)
Compatibility with future updates? You'll probably have to flash with SBF to update from now on instead of OTA, but thats a preference anyway. In the end, you will be able to update fine, so don't worry about it. Though if you are lazy to do research and actually invest time into your phone, I say don't root it because theres no point. If you want to experience android in its fullest and customize as much as you can, ROOT is the only way.
Hope I hoped.
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Thank you for the informative and thorough response. I'm an avid Android user since 1.5 and have rooted older Android phones many times. My intention with asking this question was to understand if the Atrix truly benefits from rooting or are users rooting it for bragging rights. The troubles I've faced with custom ROMs for previous android devices were many, ranging from innumerable patches and add-ons to multiple FCs regularly. Since the Atrix is my primary phone I would prefer stability in a custom ROM as opposed to features which I won't end up using often like HDMI mirroring (this is a personal opinion, i'm sure other users have other requirements).
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Thank you for the informative and thorough response. I'm an avid Android user since 1.5 and have rooted older Android phones many times. My intention with asking this question was to understand if the Atrix truly benefits from rooting or are users rooting it for bragging rights. The troubles I've faced with custom ROMs for previous android devices were many, ranging from innumerable patches and add-ons to multiple FCs regularly. Since the Atrix is my primary phone I would prefer stability in a custom ROM as opposed to features which I won't end up using often like HDMI mirroring (this is a personal opinion, i'm sure other users have other requirements).
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IMO a custom ROM is not necessary. Stock Atrix + root + one of the launchers is more than enough. My phone is rooted so that I can enable sideloading/Amazon app store and also for Titanium backup to backup everything. The other 'fun' stuff like hdmi mirroring, hulu, etc are ok but not must haves.
edit: root also so I can put my ringtones in /system/media/audio/ringtones and not lose ringtone assignments every time the phone sdcard and sdcard-ext unmounts/mounts.
You do not need to have root permissions to remove ATT bloatware. With latest OTA, they removed root requirement to uninstall their software, but they haven't done anything to allow us side-loading. I hope that this will be addressed in the next OTA.
I am a new android user (Atrix first Android phone) and I have enjoyed the rooting experience. Root explorer is worth the price of admission imho and the other day I had a problem that I couldn't fix without a rooted phone. (now using autostarts to prevent music on my device playing automatically when the phone connects to my truck via bt). And I like the control I have over my phone since it is rooted (freezing apps, etc).
In regards to updates how hard it is depends on how you mod your phone. If you do the webtop hack you will have to put the oem files back prior to updating. If you have apps frozen I believe you need to thaw them. Other than that it is just a matter of preserving root (which means about 5 minutes using adb to hide root and then after you update restoring it; no big deal)
chaitu45 said:
As my question implies, can anyone break it down for me as to why it is a good move to root my phone? I'm on AT&T right now, with ADW EX home launcher. I'm happy with the overall speed. Can you list out some advantages of rooting? I'm not looking for the general reasons to root, I want reasons SPECIFIC to the Atrix on AT&T. Sideloading and Amazon app store are the only two reasons I have so far. What is the advantage in terms of battery life, speed, stability, overheating etc? What about compatibility with future motorola updates? Thanks!
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Control. You do not have it ATM. Rooting is exactly that, the most possible control you can gain over the phone, software wise.
#1 reason I rooted my atrix is simply to add a custom rom onto it. I don't like the look of the stock motoblur so I got rid of it asap.
i'm sure there are tons of reasons to root the phone but if you're afraid to do it because you might brick your phone or something there's a lot of tutorials that will guide you step-by-step on how to do it. I actually made a tutorial myself.
that's for the actual rooting process and if you need to downgrade your phone here's the other part of it. doing a fresh SBF Flash.
ok i'm not sure why my youtube links came out like that and i'm not sure how to fix it either any help from anybody?
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-l-lockdown/?nocache=1
so, does this mean the end of rooting every device except a Nexus?
wase4711 said:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-l-lockdown/?nocache=1
so, does this mean the end of rooting every device except a Nexus?
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As long as t-mobile doesn't lock the phones bootloaders it shouldn't be a problem, however needing a custom kernel to have root will cause huge delays in obtaining root with new updates.
and if they dont release source, or, they do and its encrypted or secure is a new way, that custom kernel may never be able to be compiled
I knew this was coming with Android L; this just confirms it to me..
If you want to upgrade to "L", you will have to be ok with staying stock for a long time I believe..
Hope I get proved wrong..
If thats the case I wont root to lollipop
Since this is N4 and T-mobile forum, the reason why I need to root is because I want to get rid of Amazon app, T-mobile account app and the file explorer which doesnt not have FTP. And also rid Sammy Video Player which cant play my 1080p movies! I also cant write to my SD card. I am not trying to do illegal things. I dont want crabs that I dont need! Can they understand?
chong67 said:
Since this is N4 and T-mobile forum, the reason why I need to root is because I want to get rid of Amazon app, T-mobile account app and the file explorer which doesnt not have FTP. And also rid Sammy Video Player which cant play my 1080p movies! I also cant write to my SD card. I am not trying to do illegal things. I dont want crabs that I dont need! Can they understand?
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They should of added the t-mobile bloatware and the other bloatware to the galaxy app essentials section if we wanted to download the bloatware apps or not. They removed some bloatware and added it into there, why not all of them? That would of been way better.
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unfortunately, the marketing/engineering team that puts these phone "packages" together, probably doesn't care what "we" want in a software package. Their only interest is making maximum profits on every phone they sell, so they get royalties based on how many phones come pre-loaded with all of this crapware, so us trying to root/circumvent/taking all this junk off our phones, just phisses them off to no end..
The public is screaming for security in every aspect of our lives, especially after all these "attacks" on major retailers/banks recently, so they will "Sell" this new, total encryption as a "benefit" to the public. I believe Andoid L automatically encrypts everything on your phone, so I will be surprised if you will be able to upgrade to it at all if your phone is rooted..
chong67 said:
I am not trying to do illegal things. I dont want crabs that I dont need!
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New xda motto...Couldn't agree more
If this is true, I will just by an apple device and put on my sheep outfit every 12 months.
The thinking heads at Google are making billions annually, is it really necessary to squeeze out the diehard enthusiasts for a few extra millions. :smh:
Sometimes capitalism sucks.
I dont want crabs that I dont need! Can they understand?
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Nobody wants crabs, Chong, lol! Seriously though, I can't have an Android without root! I can do without customs ROMs, but do without root...no!
Root is like part of my device and life is the Main reason I don't owned a IPhone.
I like being able to customize every aspect of device.
HtcOnekid said:
Root is like part of my device and life is the Main reason I don't owned a IPhone.
I like being able to customize every aspect of device.
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Amen, brother. So many of the apps I use require root privileges.
Amd4life said:
If this is true, I will just by an apple device and put on my sheep outfit every 12 months.
The thinking heads at Google are making billions annually, is it really necessary to squeeze out the diehard enthusiasts for a few extra millions. :smh:
Sometimes capitalism sucks.
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DUDE! LOL! You are missing the point. With governments being increasingly more interested in user data, Google is trying to protect our data more than ever before. These changes are coming about for security reasons. The whole phone will be encrypted by default now. This will make a major difference in the overall security of the device. Google isn't trying to hurt the enthusiasts, they are trying to protect people who want privacy and don't have the skill to ward off massive superpowers that want it.
good point; unfortunately, "freedom of choice" usually comes at a price...
In this case, it will probably mean that the only custom roms /mods moving forward might only be for android 4.4 and earlier..
Google is leveling the playing field. All those who used Android for the customizations will realize all operating systems are the same [locked down] and venture off to see what else is out there. It's a brilliant move on Google's part. They were making too much money and was starting to have issues with storing it all. Now they'll let the other guys have those problems.
But it comes down to this... Either you want root or you want your privacy protected from The Man. We live in a word where diversity means less freedom.
I really don't think lollipop root will be a problem on this phone. Once the source is dropped for a single samsung build, which I'm pretty sure is required by the GPL, the kernel devs should be able to take it from there as long as there aren't very drastic changes in stock kernel functionality.
For instance the note 3 custom kernels pretty much took on a life of their own and you could flash them over different rom builds.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that a new kernel won't necessarily be needed for each Samsung build. At least that's the way it's been in the past.
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I really don't think lollipop root will be a problem on this phone. Once the source is dropped for a single samsung build, which I'm pretty sure is required by the GPL, the kernel devs should be able to take it from there as long as there aren't very drastic changes in stock kernel functionality.
For instance the note 3 custom kernels pretty much took on a life of their own and you could flash them over different rom builds.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that a new kernel won't necessarily be needed for each Samsung build. At least that's the way it's been in the past.
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If Chainfire is unsure about the process, maybe it's not as easy as you think it will be.
dkb218 said:
If Chainfire is unsure about the process, maybe it's not as easy as you think it will be.
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Chainfire will figure a way.
NOTE 4
I know the advantages of rooting a device. But I want to know what the disadvantages are there in specific to S7 Edge if I root the device.
So far I have rooted all the android devices but I'm a little hesitant to root the S7 edge. Suggestions are welcomed
1. Trip Knox
2. Void Warranty
3. Cannot use Samsung Pay
that's all! enjoy my root edge lolz
Samsung Pay is the only one that is stopping me at the mo. Although I am on the fence...
Knox will trip but if you are in the UK or some other countries that will not void your warranty anyway.
n.praveen13 said:
I know the advantages of rooting a device. But I want to know what the disadvantages are there in specific to S7 Edge if I root the device.
So far I have rooted all the android devices but I'm a little hesitant to root the S7 edge. Suggestions are welcomed
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Just tripping knox really. No samsung pay if and when it ever comes to international devices. Tripping knox also tends to create a memory leak when flashing newer firmwares via ODIN which won't allow the phone to deep sleep. You wouldn't see this issue if you had never rooted. That said, developers have found ways around this bug within days of new firmware releases, so it's not a huge concern in my mind. (this was the case with both the S6 and Note5 when MM was first released)
Great thanks for the responses. What about OTA updates? Would we receive OTA updates if rooted, I do not think so. Heard that any changes made to the OS files would make the phone unflashable via ODIN as well is this true?
No OTA either but that is not something that I would find as a disadvantage tbh
agreed
i rooted mine the same day i got it, and haven't looked back
1. Trip Knox - pft, no great loss there lol
2. Void Warranty - oh well, i'm uk side, and couldn't give a toss anyway lol
3. Cannot use Samsung Pay - again, i'm uk side... it's not out here yet, and i wouldn't use it if it was lol
4. No OTA - in exchange for custom roms and customisation? not even a contest lol
1. No Samsung pay
2. Unencrypted internal storage (no one mentions this, kind of a big deal imo)
3. No Knox
4. Slower boot time
5. Random reboots
6. Memory usage and leaks
7. Incompatible or poorly tested xposed modules can cause a myriad of bugs.
8. Compromised warranty
9. No OTA updates
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chippyuk said:
No OTA either but that is not something that I would find as a disadvantage tbh
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Not getting updates isn't a disadvantage? You must have some mental deficiency.
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1. No Samsung pay
2. Unencrypted internal storage (no one mentions this, kind of a big deal imo)
3. No Knox
4. Slower boot time
5. Random reboots
6. Memory usage and leaks
7. Incompatible or poorly tested xposed modules can cause a myriad of bugs.
8. Compromised warranty
9. No OTA updates
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Not getting updates isn't a disadvantage? You must have some mental deficiency.
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Well had you put a wink or smiley face after that comment then I would not have taken offence! Who are You to state that I have a mental deficiency?!?
In all honesty, you are in the wrong forum if you find all the above a disadvantage, this whole place is pretty much about modding our phones!!!
Also, after years of using custom roms I actually find the opposite to most of your points when compared to carrier roms. The devs on here are extremely talented and tend to improve speed, stability, reliability and fix memory leaks and or other issues on delivered roms way before the carriers actually get round to fixing them.
I get the updates, but I get them by either side-loading or baked into custom roms!
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Well had you put a wink or smiley face after that comment then I would not have taken offence! Who are You to state that I have a mental deficiency?!?
In all honesty, you are in the wrong forum if you find all the above a disadvantage, this whole place is pretty much about modding our phones!!!
Also, after years of using custom roms I actually find the opposite to most of your points when compared to carrier roms. The devs on here are extremely talented and tend to improve speed, stability, reliability and fix memory leaks and or other issues on delivered roms way before the carriers actually get round to fixing them.
I get the updates, but I get them by either side-loading or baked into custom roms!
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I like modding and I'm probably going to root my edge at some point. I am just sick and tired of the misinformation and bias that is spread around here. You know not getting OTA updates is a disadvantage, don't play dumb. People should know ALL of the advantages and disadvantages of rooting and this community seems incapable of doing that (looking at root objectively and factually not as a gift from the android exploit gods).
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I like modding and I'm probably going to root my edge at some point. I am just sick and tired of the misinformation and bias that is spread around here. You know not getting OTA updates is a disadvantage, don't play dumb. People should know ALL of the advantages and disadvantages of rooting and this community seems incapable of doing that (looking at root objectively and factually not as a gift from the android exploit gods).
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So now you are calling me dumb?!?!
With all due respect please kindly DO ONE!
My last word to you on the subject... I yet again beg to differ, I have found that OTA updates can actually cause more problems than they solve, these updates are generally sent out by the carriers to fix specific things but they do not spend enough time regression testing and inevitably end up causing other issues or forcing people to factory reset etc...
Please don't bother replying with any further insults, you are really not helping yourself!
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1. No Samsung pay
2. Unencrypted internal storage (no one mentions this, kind of a big deal imo)
3. No Knox
4. Slower boot time
5. Random reboots
6. Memory usage and leaks
7. Incompatible or poorly tested xposed modules can cause a myriad of bugs.
8. Compromised warranty
9. No OTA updates
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Not getting updates isn't a disadvantage? You must have some mental deficiency.
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This guy is trolling everyone rooting with his misguided information. Just ignore and proceed.
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chippyuk said:
So now you are calling me dumb?!?!
With all due respect please kindly DO ONE!
My last word to you on the subject... I yet again beg to differ, I have found that OTA updates can actually cause more problems than they solve, these updates are generally sent out by the carriers to fix specific things but they do not spend enough time regression testing and inevitably end up causing other issues or forcing people to factory reset etc...
Please don't bother replying with any further insults, you are really not helping yourself!
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Exactly. He has issues.
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sc2ascend said:
1. No Samsung pay
2. Unencrypted internal storage (no one mentions this, kind of a big deal imo)
3. No Knox
4. Slower boot time
5. Random reboots
6. Memory usage and leaks
7. Incompatible or poorly tested xposed modules can cause a myriad of bugs.
8. Compromised warranty
9. No OTA updates
Not getting updates isn't a disadvantage? You must have some mental deficiency.
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i think you're the one who is deficient in these points. first, i don't know who's custom rom you have been using, but custom rom's are faster, not slower. they boot faster, and do almost every other task faster than the stock. why do you think everyone uses them? why do you think people are willing to forego their warranty to use them? BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER. knox is a problem, NOT a solution. memory leaks...? it seems as if you have NEVER USED A CUSTOM ROM, because you are taking about things that rarely exist. not with the good custom roms anyway. no one cares about ota's, when you can get custom roms, which are ten times better anyway. AND, whenever there is an ota, almost all of the dev's are going to port anything worth while into the new custom roms update. so, i think you are extremely short sighted here. screw the manufacturers, as they try to keep control of your device. you don't really own your device, they do. because they are the real ones controlling it. go join the flock, and start grazing...
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i think you're the one who is deficient in these points. first, i don't know who's custom rom you have been using, but custom rom's are faster, not slower. they boot faster, and do almost every other task faster than the stock. why do you think everyone uses them? why do you think people are willing to forego their warranty to use them? BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER. knox is a problem, NOT a solution. memory leaks...? it seems as if you have NEVER USED A CUSTOM ROM, because you are taking about things that rarely exist. not with the good custom roms anyway. no one cares about ota's, when you can get custom roms, which are ten times better anyway. AND, whenever there is an ota, almost all of the dev's are going to port anything worth while into the new custom roms update. so, i think you are extremely short sighted here. screw the manufacturers, as they try to keep control of your device. you don't really own your device, they do. because they are the real ones controlling it. go join the flock, and start grazing...
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chippyuk said:
Samsung Pay is the only one that is stopping me at the mo. Although I am on the fence...
Knox will trip but if you are in the UK or some other countries that will not void your warranty anyway.
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You can still use Android Pay if you unroot, while you can't use Samsung Pay at all if you trip Knox. But, only difference is that you can use MST with Samsung Pay, which is really no big deal. But well, everyone got their priorities.
Okay so I have rooted my phone and I am not able to use my galaxy app now. This is required for redeeming the free vr. Any help or suggestions?
I'm rooted and I have no issues with galaxy app or samsung member. (THO on samsung member I am prompted when opened that I've altered my device or such that may cause issues they can't resolve, or something along those lines)
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i think you're the one who is deficient in these points. first, i don't know who's custom rom you have been using, but custom rom's are faster, not slower. they boot faster, and do almost every other task faster than the stock. why do you think everyone uses them? why do you think people are willing to forego their warranty to use them? BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER. knox is a problem, NOT a solution. memory leaks...? it seems as if you have NEVER USED A CUSTOM ROM, because you are taking about things that rarely exist. not with the good custom roms anyway. no one cares about ota's, when you can get custom roms, which are ten times better anyway. AND, whenever there is an ota, almost all of the dev's are going to port anything worth while into the new custom roms update. so, i think you are extremely short sighted here. screw the manufacturers, as they try to keep control of your device. you don't really own your device, they do. because they are the real ones controlling it. go join the flock, and start grazing...
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Every single custom ROM I have used so far (on my old phone) has had some kind of bug/problem things like the phone trying to deep sleep while I'm still listening to music, connection with my watch cutting out for no reason, more battery drain from Android OS or some other stuff I can't turn off. Etc.
The brute fact is, the engineers at Samsung are just as talented if not more, and they have way more resources to do what they do. The only difference being they take more consideration for the general user where as devs here are only worried about the hard core geeks who will actually go through the trouble of flashing a custom ROM.
And no, there is no way custom ROMs can be more secure or reliable than stock. They may be faster, true, and have more geek features even I don't use like busybox or whatever, but normal people don't really care about that.
Also, most devs have a terrible sense of design, just the icons of the extra apps they introduce are horrible to look at. Sure you can download an icon pack and so on, but man! Do I get to have time to do anything else other than fiddle around with my phone?
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Every single custom ROM I have used so far (on my old phone) has had some kind of bug/problem things like the phone trying to deep sleep while I'm still listening to music, connection with my watch cutting out for no reason, more battery drain from Android OS or some other stuff I can't turn off. Etc.
The brute fact is, the engineers at Samsung are just as talented if not more, and they have way more resources to do what they do. The only difference being they take more consideration for the general user where as devs here are only worried about the hard core geeks who will actually go through the trouble of flashing a custom ROM.
And no, there is no way custom ROMs can be more secure or reliable than stock. They may be faster, true, and have more geek features even I don't use like busybox or whatever, but normal people don't really care about that.
Also, most devs have a terrible sense of design, just the icons of the extra apps they introduce are horrible to look at. Sure you can download an icon pack and so on, but man! Do I get to have time to do anything else other than fiddle around with my phone?
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yes, you've obviously made some very poor choices with the custom roms you have experienced. because not only me, but thousands of others write in on alllllllll of these threads about different custom roms, and the consensus is that these rom's are better than stock, in almost every way. and one fact you seem oblivious to, is that those engineers of samsung are constrained to the wishes of samsung, which is rarely in the favor of the user, but always in the favor of samsung. the favor of almost any titan company on the planet, is almost always at the detriment of the consumer. they are mutually exclusive. the private dev's can work FOR THE PEOPLE, and not for the mega corporation, and that is why they make much better roms. the FACT is that mega corp's like samsung, put apps on your device which KEEP IT FROM COMPLETELY going into deep sleep, because other companies pay them to. companies which want their sw front and center in all you do, whether you do or not. and yes, trhe dev's can make better security, more efficient i/o pathways, and an overall nicer experience, because they are not hampered with the requirements of all those paying corps. finally, you might be surprised at the size of the so called "hard core geeks" compared to the "normal users". it's probably different than you think. in any case, for many years i have bought new phones, used them as stock for a month or so, and ultimately always root them, because i prefer to actually own my device, instead of the manufacturer. you have little control over what happens on your phone if you are not rooted. they can force any update on you, and can change anything they will to. but if you are rooted, they have very little power over your device, and you have almost total control over it. after paying that much money for something, why be a bystander? why allow the large corporation dictate to your what happens on your own device? you are just a sheep in the flock. you might as well be on a CRapple device.
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yes, you've obviously made some very poor choices with the custom roms you have experienced. because not only me, but thousands of others write in on alllllllll of these threads about different custom roms, and the consensus is that these rom's are better than stock, in almost every way. and one fact you seem oblivious to, is that those engineers of samsung are constrained to the wishes of samsung, which is rarely in the favor of the user, but always in the favor of samsung. the favor of almost any titan company on the planet, is almost always at the detriment of the consumer. they are mutually exclusive. the private dev's can work FOR THE PEOPLE, and not for the mega corporation, and that is why they make much better roms. the FACT is that mega corp's like samsung, put apps on your device which KEEP IT FROM COMPLETELY going into deep sleep, because other companies pay them to. companies which want their sw front and center in all you do, whether you do or not. and yes, trhe dev's can make better security, more efficient i/o pathways, and an overall nicer experience, because they are not hampered with the requirements of all those paying corps. finally, you might be surprised at the size of the so called "hard core geeks" compared to the "normal users". it's probably different than you think. in any case, for many years i have bought new phones, used them as stock for a month or so, and ultimately always root them, because i prefer to actually own my device, instead of the manufacturer. you have little control over what happens on your phone if you are not rooted. they can force any update on you, and can change anything they will to. but if you are rooted, they have very little power over your device, and you have almost total control over it. after paying that much money for something, why be a bystander? why allow the large corporation dictate to your what happens on your own device? you are just a sheep in the flock. you might as well be on a CRapple device.
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Consensus of random people don't mean anything, I only believe in scientific studies and simple logic.
I have yet to see a scientific comparison show custom ROMs being faster or more battery efficient in any way. Personally I don't see a difference so there is no reason for me to believe that there is.
But I have experienced bugs and instabilities in almost all the custom ROMs I've used. And no it makes no sense to say that I have poor choice because poorly chosen custom ROMs are still custom ROMs, at the very least it shows that there are bad apples.
Do I hate bloatware? absolutely, it's been the reason I have rooted my devices. But I also know deleting them doesn't really do much other than freeing up storage space. I see no difference in battery life. Again, don't tell me that it does, I won't believe you. Show me a scientific comparison, with two identical phones one rooted one not rooted going through the identical battery life test.
Hey all,
First off let me just say great work to everyone involved with rooting this now "ancient" phone, especially klabit87 and jrkruse. Additionally, I do not mean to be ungrateful with this post, nor suggest that rooting a phone is easy, especially one with a locked bootloader, or that the users here are entitled to such a feature.
With that out of the way....
I haven't looked into rooting this phone EVER until now. Haven't even peaked at XDA or Googled anything, I didn't even know it was possible until yesterday. I've re-ROMed all my previous phones but was actually satisfied with the stock S7 experience other than a Launcher swap and dealing with the always laggy Google maps. Well recently I got a new car and got fed up with the obnoxious list/action limit that Android Auto has as the voice search can be quite unreliable, the letter search is somewhat bugged on the media player I use, and in the end all it does is encourage people to just use their phone to change songs/settings and send messages, thereby completely failing at its goal of being safer. So, I really wanted to get Xposed installed to use the module that makes AA a lot more usable; however, now that I've looked back into the scene a bit, I'm not so sure I want to move forward.
To preface my question: Every Android device I've had before was essentially either rootable or not and ultimately banked on a security exploit that was eventually found. There were never really any concerns about major issues unless you were changing ROMs, kernels, or testing major CPU behavior changes. Just rooting itself was almost always issue free other than a small bug or two or the need to reapply at reboot.
From what I gather, it seems to me that they only way currently to gain root privileges on this device is to install this ENG kernel that's talked about in a lot of more recent posts. Is it truly the case that someone had to write a kernel from scratch that was pre-rooted and as of right now there is no way to root the device as it is stock? Is it that the only known exploit is how to flash another kernel, and the stock kernel is still locked up tight? It sucks that the current root seems so unstable/slow. I know there are a plethora of fixes but there really is no one major fix (other than potentially reflashing the stock bootloader that for some reason seems to work), and its a matter of installing a boat load of CPU and resource management tweaks and even then the performance/battery life isn't quite stock. Additionally it seems like its definitely a YMMV kind of thing as some users seem to still have significant battery drain or slowness/heat even after trying tons of fixes.
Since I am just now getting familiar with the "homebrew" the phone I've had for 3+ years and know nothing about the work that's been done, I genuinely just want to know the technical implications that got in the way of a cleaner root and why the current root method is stuck as sort of a work-around so to speak. The people that manage these breakthroughs rarely post about the process they went through unless its pertinent to a guide on how to root, so I was just curious why the root for this device is in the current state it is.
I would really like to root my Edge so I can be done with the AA nonsense but after just getting a new battery put in I really don't want to go through ****ty battery life again haha.
Thanks to all who weigh in.
Verizon requires most if not all manufacturers to lock the bootloaders. This is also Samsung choice as well. The T-mobile S7/edge and newer have locked bootloaders as well. Difference is T-mobile leaves it up to the OEMs whether they want to lock it or not. With some U.S. businesses and enterprises using Samsung Galaxy devices. They focus on being "enterprise ready" which makes sense from a business standpoint.
Believe it or not, Samsung used to be developer friendly when the S II came out. They even gave away Galaxy S2 devices to some XDA devs.
So, if you want a Samsung device with an unlock able bootloader. Get one that has an Exynos SoC or the Chinese Snapdragon variant.
Just wondering why there is no rooting solution, or custom roms for this device yet? I have the unlocked S10+, and don't see much news or progress on a rooting solution. Is there a good source for news of this somewhere else? There are several things I'd like to do, but being able to put custom fonts on it would be a big help. I don't understand why Samsung is so against us putting whatever font we want on these devices.
Thanks for any help.
Wrong section
Next time don't buy a smartphone before root released...
It is a big question if root for s10 will be ever possible, because samsung made some changes to security
Root already happened but there's no "user friendly" method yet, and not many benefits currently.
Keep in mind that Root is losing importance, it peaked around 2014 but the various hostility from banking apps or paying solutions contributed in reducing root users, some employers also don't allow you to have a rooted devices because of the vulnerabiities it comes with.
Magisk Hide was great but hit or miss on different devices.
@topjohnwu rooted his own S10+, you can try to contact him for testing if you like, he's doing an awesome job.
XDA is quite trippy today, my post got submitted twice please delete.
thread should be moved. this is not a release.
and again people asking for root should ask themselves if they bought the wrong phone:
a north American model.
will probably never be rootable(the U, U1 and W are all the same and have a locked bootloader)
the rest of the world's s10's will be rootable. its 100% sure. just need someone to get recovery to be flashable.
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10thDmenxn said:
Just wondering why there is no rooting solution, or custom roms for this device yet? I have the unlocked S10+, and don't see much news or progress on a rooting solution. Is there a good source for news of this somewhere else? There are several things I'd like to do, but being able to put custom fonts on it would be a big help. I don't understand why Samsung is so against us putting whatever font we want on these devices.
Thanks for any help.
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ask a mod to move your post/thread.
also read up on what's the difference between the north american modela and the international ones.
then realise the folly of your question/purchase.
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10thDmenxn said:
Just wondering why there is no rooting solution, or custom roms for this device yet? I have the unlocked S10+, and don't see much news or progress on a rooting solution. Is there a good source for news of this somewhere else? There are several things I'd like to do, but being able to put custom fonts on it would be a big help. I don't understand why Samsung is so against us putting whatever font we want on these devices.
Thanks for any help.
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This is one reason why exynos and snapdragon should be separated. No one gives enough info when posting ANYTHING about what version of S10 they have when they are inquiring about whatever they are inquiring about. It makes all the difference in the world. They are essentially two DIFFERENT phones. Why lump them together. The only thing they really share is a name. The internals are different phones. Nothing firmware wise interchanges. Since the mods wont separate the phones in the forums, everyone should mention what S10 they are asking questions about if you want the correct answer.
I have been here for the past 8 years my old acct somehow got hacked..and all the phones I have had were possible to be rooted, including s7, s8, s9, note 4, etc..For someone to say never hasn't been on here enough although Exynos is way easier to root than snapdragons but is it possible? of course, can it happen? in a couple months. In today's society you don't really need to root your phone as companies are making their phones fully customizable
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I have been here for the past 8 years my old acct somehow got hacked..and all the phones I have had were possible to be rooted, including s7, s8, s9, note 4, etc..For someone to say never hasn't been on here enough although Exynos is way easier to root than snapdragons but is it possible? of course, can it happen? in a couple months. In today's society you don't really need to root your phone as companies are making their phones fully customizable
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I second this, before root was such a necessity to me, in my OP5t I was using it mostly for Titanium backup, on my S10+ I think it is not needed, it is much cleaner to be setting up your device from scratch preventing corrupted app settings to mess with the phone.
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I believe root is extremely important if you are a heavy ROM user and like to install several ROM for testing then I would suggest you to have to have root to make nandroid backups and have Titanium Backup, otherwise really not needed you expose yourself to vulnerabilities.
Root and XDA = Development! Rock on ???
Root is not just for mods. On my Pixel 3Xl, I tweak my kernel with FK manager to get better battery, more efficient memory usage and better CPU rendering. It's also nice to use apps like 3minit battery mod, system-wide Adaway, Titanium Backup and many others. While Samsung has improved on ways to Mod parts of it's phones, these mods are not available systemwide in 3rd party apps. For me, root is essential.
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Root is not just for mods. On my Pixel 3Xl, I tweak my kernel with FK manager to get better battery, more efficient memory usage and better CPU rendering. It's also nice to use apps like 3minit battery mod, system-wide Adaway, Titanium Backup and many others. While Samsung has improved on ways to Mod parts of it's phones, these mods are not available systemwide in 3rd party apps. For me, root is essential.
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VinDiesel69 said:
I have been here for the past 8 years my old acct somehow got hacked..and all the phones I have had were possible to be rooted, including s7, s8, s9, note 4, etc..For someone to say never hasn't been on here enough although Exynos is way easier to root than snapdragons but is it possible? of course, can it happen? in a couple months. In today's society you don't really need to root your phone as companies are making their phones fully customizable
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Eudeferrer said:
Root is not just for mods. On my Pixel 3Xl, I tweak my kernel with FK manager to get better battery, more efficient memory usage and better CPU rendering. It's also nice to use apps like 3minit battery mod, system-wide Adaway, Titanium Backup and many others. While Samsung has improved on ways to Mod parts of it's phones, these mods are not available systemwide in 3rd party apps. For me, root is essential.
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Eudeferrer took the words right off my keyboard. His points are exactly why I have always rooted. And besides all of the vital things Eudeferrer mentioned above, for you guys who think we don't need to root anymore, please explain to me how to put the 1600 fonts file, I normally use, on my new S10+. Because it was as simple as can be on my rooted S7 edge. But can't find a way to put these fonts on my S10+. And I absolutely hate the few fonts that Samsung ALLOWS us to use. Seems really stupid, that we pay over a $1000 for a device, and they limit what we can put on them... Also, I'm tired of having ads pop up on my phone, not in my browser, but right on my phone!!!!! This NEVER happens to rooted devices. Which the underlying MOST important reason to root is TOTAL CONTROL OF OUR DEVICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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eudeferrer took the words right off my keyboard. His points are exactly why i have always rooted. And besides all of the vital things eudeferrer mentioned above, for you guys who think we don't need to root anymore, please explain to me how to put the 1600 fonts file, i normally use, on my new s10+. Because it was as simple as can be on my rooted s7 edge. But can't find a way to put these fonts on my s10+. And i absolutely hate the few fonts that samsung allows us to use. Seems really stupid, that we pay over a $1000 for a device, and they limit what we can put on them... Also, i'm tired of having ads pop up on my phone, not in my browser, but right on my phone!!!!! This never happens to rooted devices. Which the underlying most important reason to root is total control of our devices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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for the root!!! No root = no smartphone!
Eudeferrer said:
Root is not just for mods. On my Pixel 3Xl, I tweak my kernel with FK manager to get better battery, more efficient memory usage and better CPU rendering. It's also nice to use apps like 3minit battery mod, system-wide Adaway, Titanium Backup and many others. While Samsung has improved on ways to Mod parts of it's phones, these mods are not available systemwide in 3rd party apps. For me, root is essential.
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10thDmenxn said:
Eudeferrer took the words right off my keyboard. His points are exactly why I have always rooted. And besides all of the vital things Eudeferrer mentioned above, for you guys who think we don't need to root anymore, please explain to me how to put the 1600 fonts file, I normally use, on my new S10+. Because it was as simple as can be on my rooted S7 edge. But can't find a way to put these fonts on my S10+. And I absolutely hate the few fonts that Samsung ALLOWS us to use. Seems really stupid, that we pay over a $1000 for a device, and they limit what we can put on them... Also, I'm tired of having ads pop up on my phone, not in my browser, but right on my phone!!!!! This NEVER happens to rooted devices. Which the underlying MOST important reason to root is TOTAL CONTROL OF OUR DEVICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It all comes down to preferences. Only reason why our phones doesn't come out of the box rooted is because it’s an inherent security risk..I have never had any issues with the battery not lasting long enough, low on memory, cpu overheating and there goes the saying..don't fix what isn't broken..As for backups? In today's phone standards backup is stored in apple's icloud or google's server, no need to use a 3rd party app. As for ads and custom status bar? you don't need to have your phone rooted for these. There are plenty of modded apps floating around that disables the ads. Don't get me wrong, I used to be a flashaholic back in the days when I had the htc hd, nexus 4, using NRGZ28's energy roms, there was just a point that I really didn't need to do all that. It is time consuming. Rooting android just isn't worth it anymore. Back in the day rooting android was almost a must in order to get advanced functionality out of your phone but times have changed. One thing I can say is that a lot of things has changed throughout the years and a lot of people lost interest in rooting their phones and have left this website. Look at the pixel 2, 3 xl forums and now compare them to the nexus 4 and 5 forums. You will see the difference..
I beg to disagree with you. This is the same excuse I often see people giving when they are stuck on a device that can't be rooted. They become complacent. The bottom line is, YOU pay for your phone. It should be YOUR choice to root or not. It's YOUR device not theirs. Take the inherent risk if you want to, or not. Everyone who roots understand this risk and takes it willingly. We are not in a communist country to have someone (Samsung or Phone company) tell you how your phone has to look or what you can do with it (as long as it's legal and not hurting others). It's this brain-washing nonsense that never makes sense to me. Android backups on Google cloud DO NOT save data for most apps. For someone like me with over 200 apps installed, this is a pain every time you get a new phone. It's either sit there for hours and log in individually to every app or run Titanium Backup and in 15 minutes you are done. Don't but hit me over the head, but to me the choice is obvious and more than clear. Perhaps if Android ever evolves to there point where you can control these things on your end, then root will truly be unnecessary.
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I've been running rooted Android phones since the HTC HD2, even ran custom ROMs on the T-Mobile Dash before Android existed. The S10e is by far the closest thing to a non-rooted phone I could live with. I would agree that the urgency for root is less than it used to be, but is still very much needed for many of us. I gave the SD855 version a chance, but after a week as my daily driver, I'm returning it & reverting back to my rooted S7. Once the new Exynos models get stable TWRP/root/etc., I'll pick up the G970F, but despite the improvements over three years, I still prefer my rooted S7 to a stock S10e.
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I beg to disagree with you. This is the same excuse I often see people giving when they are stuck on a device that can't be rooted. They become complacent. The bottom line is, YOU pay for your phone. It should be YOUR choice to root or not. It's YOUR device not theirs. Take the inherent risk if you want to, or not. Everyone who roots understand this risk and takes it willingly. We are not in a communist country to have someone (Samsung or Phone company) tell you how your phone has to look or what you can do with it (as long as it's legal and not hurting others). It's this brain-washing nonsense that never makes sense to me. Android backups on Google cloud DO NOT save data for most apps. For someone like me with over 200 apps installed, this is a pain every time you get a new phone. It's either sit there for hours and log in individually to every app or run Titanium Backup and in 15 minutes you are done. Don't but hit me over the head, but to me the choice is obvious and more than clear. Perhaps if Android ever evolves to there point where you can control these things on your end, then root will truly be unnecessary.
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Agreed! Another valuable reason for having the option to root is "freedom" - e.g. you don't have to rely on the phone/OS provider to store all your private data on their backup repository (however incomplete the data they store might be) and hold you ransom because they have what you need, and could have stored locally on your own device. I still haven't been able to fully restore my apps since changing from a Pixel 2XL to a S10+.
10thDmenxn said:
Eudeferrer took the words right off my keyboard. His points are exactly why I have always rooted. And besides all of the vital things Eudeferrer mentioned above, for you guys who think we don't need to root anymore, please explain to me how to put the 1600 fonts file, I normally use, on my new S10+. Because it was as simple as can be on my rooted S7 edge. But can't find a way to put these fonts on my S10+. And I absolutely hate the few fonts that Samsung ALLOWS us to use. Seems really stupid, that we pay over a $1000 for a device, and they limit what we can put on them... Also, I'm tired of having ads pop up on my phone, not in my browser, but right on my phone!!!!! This NEVER happens to rooted devices. Which the underlying MOST important reason to root is TOTAL CONTROL OF OUR DEVICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What ads? there's no completely random ads like on Xiaomi's "YOUR PHONE IS VIRUS PLS SCAN" if you see any sort of advertising in Samsung apps it's because you agreed to it, go back and opt out of marketing information.
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It all comes down to preferences. Only reason why our phones doesn't come out of the box rooted is because it’s an inherent security risk..I have never had any issues with the battery not lasting long enough, low on memory, cpu overheating and there goes the saying..don't fix what isn't broken..As for backups? In today's phone standards backup is stored in apple's icloud or google's server, no need to use a 3rd party app. As for ads and custom status bar? you don't need to have your phone rooted for these. There are plenty of modded apps floating around that disables the ads. Don't get me wrong, I used to be a flashaholic back in the days when I had the htc hd, nexus 4, using NRGZ28's energy roms, there was just a point that I really didn't need to do all that. It is time consuming. Rooting android just isn't worth it anymore. Back in the day rooting android was almost a must in order to get advanced functionality out of your phone but times have changed. One thing I can say is that a lot of things has changed throughout the years and a lot of people lost interest in rooting their phones and have left this website. Look at the pixel 2, 3 xl forums and now compare them to the nexus 4 and 5 forums. You will see the difference..
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Man, sorry to be a ****, but you are just confused. I've been rooting phones for a very long time, and I have NEVER suffered any security problems. Rooting is NOT an inherent security risk. That is some crap that the manufacturers made up, and the sheep follow their instructions and believe everything they say. And while you must be some ridiculous aberration, MOST people have had terrible problems with battery life, lagging and the such. That's why they rooted! To be able to control the processor, gpu and memory. And why would you depend on the backup of Google or CRapple??? They are ALWAYS crap, and never give you back your setup. AND THERE ARE NOT PLENTY OF NON-ROOT APPS WHICH DISABLE ADS. There are plenty of "BROWSER" apps which help with ads. But what about the ads popping up on the phone itself??? NONE!!! And I see you completely ignored my question about FONTS!!! How the hell do I pay over a $1,000.00 dollars for a device, and THEY DICTATE TO ME WHAT FONT I CAN USE????? We own the phones, not them. So Rooting IS still worth it, and a much better situation than having a non-rooted phone. NO non-rooted app allows you to customize your device, or gives you the control over your device the way rooting it does. Being able to put any one of 1600 fonts on my device, USING TITANIUM BACKUP TO EXECUTE AN EXACT BACKUP OF MY SYSTEM, changing the color of ANYTHING I care to, getting rid of ANY app I don't want on the phone, being able to tweak the hardware to MY satisfaction and having system wide Adaway that works flawlessly are just a few of the reasons to root your device. And if you can't see this, than just get used to saying, "bahhhh bahhhh". Because you've joined the flock of the GIANT CORPORATION!!!