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Hi I wanted to buy a wp8 device but after reading this article I gave up buying a wp8 device. Because no custom roms is a deal-breaker for me. So looks like its not possible to unlock wp8 devices for now but I don't know is it gonna be in the future. I'm asking because I don't know how unlocking process works because I never used a wp device. I know how android system works but I have no idea about wp devices. So if you guys can explain if it can be done in the future or why we will never be able to unlock wp8 devices. :good:
Edit: Its no longer a deal-breaker for me I thought unlock was important as much as jailbreak on iphone and root on android. But thanks for helping me realise wp devices do not need unlock
Edit2: I bought a lumia 920. You guys were right wp is awesome. Only things I am missing from android is file explorer, rotation lock and notifications.
Yes you definitely dont know much about WP. You never used one, but you know that custom ROMs are dealbreaker for you. Nice.
Just to let you know, custom roms are not important at all in WP. They dont bring much improvement, far less than in android.
martan1981 said:
Yes you definitely dont know much about WP. You never used one, but you know that custom ROMs are dealbreaker for you. Nice.
Just to let you know, custom roms are not important at all in WP. They dont bring much improvement, far less than in android.
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You can be right, custom roms means a lot on android and jailbreak means a lot for iphone. So I thought unlock is important like jailbreak/root. But if not, I'm definitely gonna buy a wp8 Thanks for the info about roms. I want to ask, can we install local apps like we can do at android without unlocking?
Windows Phones do not need custom ROMs, because all the mess that's happening on base ROMs for android is not present, which is why custom ROMs exist for android in the first place, and not because of customization or whatever else then less enlighten users use ROMs for.
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Windows Phones do not need custom ROMs, because all the mess that's happening on base ROMs for android is not present, which is why custom ROMs exist for android in the first place
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Er, custom ROMs aren't "needed" anywhere.* They exist because developers have an itch for some feature or bugfix not available in stock - in other words, they have something that improves over stock in some way. Perhaps you should read the feature lists of some WP custom ROMs.
No possible improvements over stock is not a good thing no matter how you spin it. That said, I think the OP is overreacting calling it a "deal-breaker". Well, it depends on what you're looking for in "jailbreaking". This jailbreak feature, for one, won't be available.
*Edit: You know this because the users of custom ROMs are always in the vast minority.
Something that needs improvement is messed up in my books sooo....
Yeh the Op is kinda exaggerating with the deal-breaker though.
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Something that needs improvement is messed up in my books sooo....
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As I've just pointed out, improvement is not needed. On the other hand, is improvement improvement? Why, yes.
thebobp said:
Er, custom ROMs aren't "needed" anywhere.* They exist because developers have an itch for some feature or bugfix not available in stock - in other words, they have something that improves over stock in some way. Perhaps you should read the feature lists of some WP custom ROMs.
No possible improvements over stock is not a good thing no matter how you spin it. That said, I think the OP is overreacting calling it a "deal-breaker". Well, it depends on what you're looking for in "jailbreaking". This jailbreak feature, for one, won't be available.
*Edit: You know this because the users of custom ROMs are always in the vast minority.
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Bite your tongue, sir: custom roms are practically necessary for android. Stock ROMs have faulty GPS drivers, crapware, bloatware, SPYWARE even. I have a friend who bought a low end android phone from sprint. Two mistakes: being on sprint and going low end on android. It's getting better, but android is a huge resource hog, and having all the carrier crap on there makes it worse. My friend's phone is quite literally unusable; it locks up very often. Even after I hard reset it for him. On android, stock is [probably] ALWAYS bad.
WP8 however.... I have a custom ROM for my WP7 device, but everything I've done with the custom ROM is natively supported in WP8. So I guess I could live with a stock WP8 ROM. The only thing I'd be missing out on is free tethering.
Carriers, if you charge for tethering... **** you.
^ in your opinion.
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link68759 said:
Bite your tongue, sir: custom roms are practically necessary for android. Stock ROMs have faulty GPS drivers, crapware, bloatware, SPYWARE even. I have a friend who bought a low end android phone from sprint. Two mistakes: being on sprint and going low end on android. It's getting better, but android is a huge resource hog, and having all the carrier crap on there makes it worse. My friend's phone is quite literally unusable; it locks up very often. Even after I hard reset it for him. On android, stock is [probably] ALWAYS bad.
WP8 however.... I have a custom ROM for my WP7 device, but everything I've done with the custom ROM is natively supported in WP8. So I guess I could live with a stock WP8 ROM. The only thing I'd be missing out on is free tethering.
Carriers, if you charge for tethering... **** you.
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Free tethering? My experience tells me that only the Dell Venue Pro is incapable of wi-fi tethering because of the chipset. The carriers have disabled the feature but a lot of phones can be interop unlocked and have the feature enabled. Heck, the Quantum requires little effort since it has an onboard reg edit tool. Google be thy friend.
Amazing! (And incredibly stupid!)
This will eventually flood this forum with unhappy users, wishing to mod their devices...after having seen their cool AOS counter parts.
Nothing to mod it works out of the box. I dont even see a point in current custom roms wp7.5..just few added apps & unlocked for piracy (ok "homebrew")
Hacking is by definition something that should be impossible.
Hacking is based on using some unpredicted exploit to workaround security.
If today we knew that Custom Roms would be going to be possible on WP8 then Microsoft could fix the exploit.
Don't blame Microsoft for this of course, you know most (I did not say every) people wants to unlock their phone to sideload pirated apps.
That's simply the truth. This is what happens all around me on iPhone and Android ecosystem.
Now the real question is : how much interesting (or clever) is speaking about the existence of exploits on something you don't even own/know ?
Articles like the linked one looks nothing more than a big flame to me, and this topic is no different.
P.S. It is really funny to find out some users are particularly attracted by this kind of topic, isn't it?
You realize that the place you're posting to caters to the small percentage of people who want / use any flexibility afforded them, right?
The elegance of a closed system (relatively speaking) is the stability you can accomplish. This is the apple model to a tee, and for most people it's fine.
BUT, flexibility is where windows the traditional OS, Android, and Linux shine. There are always optimizations that can be done, always tweaks, custom apps galore. Android ROMs have spoiled us, masses be dammed.
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dragonide said:
Hacking is by definition something that should be impossible.
Hacking is based on using some unpredicted exploit to workaround security.
If today we knew that Custom Roms would be going to be possible on WP8 then Microsoft could fix the exploit.
Don't blame Microsoft for this of course, you know most (I did not say every) people wants to unlock their phone to sideload pirated apps.
That's simply the truth. This is what happens all around me on iPhone and Android ecosystem.
Now the real question is : how much interesting (or clever) is speaking about the existence of exploits on something you don't even own/know ?
Articles like the linked one looks nothing more than a big flame to me, and this topic is no different.
P.S. It is really funny to find out some users are particularly attracted by this kind of topic, isn't it?
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It has began.
I actually am for Custom ROMs. Sorry, but Devs sometimes just do a better job at things. A Interop Unlocking and Custom ROMs made my Trophy a heck of a lot more enjoyable to use.
And I disagree with all the lock downs MS has in place. Email, messaging clients, browsers, keyboards. We are all stuck with one version. No chance to use versions a Dev could provide that would give us more options and features. Sometimes, Devs just do things better. The MS locked apps I listed, among others, can all be improved upon. Rather than waiting or hoping MS does more to improve them, itd be a lot nicer to have options of 3rd party devs.
lugi93 said:
Nothing to mod it works out of the box. I dont even see a point in current custom roms wp7.5..just few added apps & unlocked for piracy (ok "homebrew")
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So WP8 has a file explorer?
lugi93 said:
Nothing to mod it works out of the box. I dont even see a point in current custom roms wp7.5..just few added apps & unlocked for piracy (ok "homebrew")
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Now that I have WP8 I no longer have custom ROMs, and here's a list of things I'm missing.
-Being able to back up and restore isolated storage (aka game saves and apps with braindamaged devs who don't export to skydrive)
-Setting goddamn custom notification sounds.
-Enabling internet sharing on AT&T
-Bluetooth file transfer for unsupported files
-USB Video out
And the biggest thing was updates to the latest build (7.8), because you either have to wait years to get the stupid thing, or you just never get it. WP8 seems to have solved that issue, but it's a big thing for 7.x
There is significantly more homebrew than apps that can be pirated too... So no, WP8 is not perfect out of the box yet.
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IMHO there is stil need for custom roms with WP8. This system for many might need to be changed. For example (I had Lumia 920 but beeing annoyed I've sold it) People Hub. I had Facebook account and LinkedIIn configured and connected with Microsoft Account. Hopefully People Hub allows me to display only those people from my Outlook Account with photos of them from LinkedIn or Facebook. That's good. Where is the problem - mail app which seems not to use People Hub filtering and after I've started writing somebody's email it was trying to suggest me all of the people from my linkedin and facebook. Facebook is a toy for me, email is a tool for work. I dont's wanna havve facebook contacts in my email. What's more - I don't wan't to see non skype contacts on my skype list. How to solve it ? Only custom rom may help with modified People Hub service.
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So WP8 has a file explorer?
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if you're not being sarcastic, and really asking- i'm taking no offense of malice either way, just answering
no, there is no file explorer. this is hotly debated over and over again as to wether its a needed feature or just a 'gimmie' app on other platforms. some even argue that a file explorer on wp8 makes it insecure. whatever.
i'm seeing fewer and fewer posts here on xda pertaining to wp. even the extremely optimistic wpcentral forum is turning a little more 'real' since MWC turned into a nokia-only festival for wp.
anyway, i'm getting sidetracked. hope i answered your question nicely
LG says no plans for G4 Android 5.1.1 update at the moment
Are we going directly to Android M? When I had my G3 we had the same issue, no 5.1.1
Given all of the issues with Lollipop, this may be a blessing in disguise but
the negative publicity from this may further impact the already poor sales.
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I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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We are no where unless someone's keeping it hush hush. I check daily too.
The xda and tweak people are just s handfull of users ... Most buyers are regular and they don't even know xda .... If you want a phone that get every update then buy a Google phone, or a iphone. If you want a unlocked bootloader now then buy a Samsung. If you don't want those phones , then stop whining and buy a G4 or any other phone with Android on it instead of complaining. Sales are not depending on if a bootloader is unlocked or not !
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fpsq said:
I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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... but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Really? [emoji58]
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but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Ads. Mothereffin' ads everywhere. In apps, in web pages, on YouTube. Blocking ads alone is worth gold.
Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!
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Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!
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Really?
GravityBox is a HUGE one. It controls the look and behavior of everything on your phone.
Downloads2SD for remapping hardcoded folders like Downloads from internal storage to the SD card.
DisableFlagSecure for taking screenshots in apps that forbid it.
XHangouts for configuring image quality and other things in Hangouts.
NotifyClean for suppressing annoying system notifications that cannot normally be disabled.
The list can go on, I'm sure others use a lot more than this.
I am also missing a few features that I can only use with root. AdAway, AirAudio to stream my sound to other devices, etc...
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Really?
GravityBox is a HUGE one. It controls the look and behavior of everything on your phone.
Downloads2SD for remapping hardcoded folders like Downloads from internal storage to the SD card.
DisableFlagSecure for taking screenshots in apps that forbid it.
XHangouts for configuring image quality and other things in Hangouts.
NotifyClean for suppressing annoying system notifications that cannot normally be disabled.
The list can go on, I'm sure others use a lot more than this.
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Everyones usage is different remember - I just want to use a phone and from previous experience with my S4 introducing xposed to it turned it into a buggy mess, I don't want that happening to this phone.
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Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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99% agree with you there. I got this device for the ability it has without any root/unlock. Fully agree that Xposed has never done anything good for me in my experiences...usually end up having bugs and ending up factory resetting rom I'm on.
Also confused as to why people expect that the G4 would already be unlocked or rooted. This device has been out for just over 3 weeks, fellas. Sure, there are other manufacturers (HTC which I LOVE save for their inability to understand that a good camera is a requirement in 2015) that are able to be unlocked like 30 seconds after you open the box. LG is NOT that way. The G3 was a pain in the butt last year for this from what I understand and this device is running a newer processor and supposedly more secure version of android.
In the end, I would like to have root, so I can get rid of the T-Mobile stuff...and yeah, while I can DISABLE it, that doesn't get rid of it, it's just lying dormant...I still have a disabled app taking up space on my device.
siraltus said:
Ads. Mothereffin' ads everywhere. In apps, in web pages, on YouTube. Blocking ads alone is worth gold.
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Yes this times 1000. Plus getting rid of bloat (although the LG does not have nearly as much as my Samsung devices had) plus I really want to be able to use Titanium Backup again.
Also...Not sure why everyone is so set on being on the latest version of Android at all times. I learned my lesson on that the hard way. Last device I was on was the Note 4. We were extremely irritated that we were getting Lollipop so late compared to all the other Sammy devices. Boy was I wrong to wish for it. It came with more bugs than new features, most of which made the device nearly unusable to me, resulting in my spending $280 to get the device half paid off so I could JUMP to the G4.
Rather than rolling out a new version of Android, I'm sure many users would prefer that LG work on the number of bugs that some users have experienced thusfar. That being said, 5.1 seems to be doing me pretty well for this device for me
A free wifi tethering method would be nice to have again.
I don't see the link between 5.1.1 and bad sales. If someone refused to get G4 because they won't update it to 5.1.1, I find this hilarious. 5.1.1 is a maintenance update, nothing major as I am aware, so LG can include the most important fixes from the latest available android version through OTA update, and there is no need to show you the latest android build number. 5.1 can include everything 5.1.1 got.
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Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Have you even used Xposed recently? Root itself is fantastic, and does not harm usability. You can use apps like Greenify and Titanium Backup to remove apps and improve battery life, modify the tethering provisioning check to use the hotspot, etc. I also use Xposed on 5.1.1 and on 5.0, 4.4, etc., and I don't have any issues at all. the 10+ modules I use never have problems.
I'm keeping my rooted G3 until we can root the G4, as I need root in some form or another.
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Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!
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The phone is is great all on its own but I am looking forward to no ads and a tweaked Rom to hopefully get rid of the awful lagging and missed touch issues
Give the devs time. There's a lot of money pledged in the bounty board which should attract some top devs, so short of JesusFreke coming out of retirement I doubt it'll be in the next month.
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fpsq said:
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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If you purchase the open EUR H815 handset, you can officially unlock the bootloader through LG's Dev website, and from there install TWPR and flash SuperSU for root.
This method is not (yet?) available to other models, however.
You're correct that there are currently no unofficial methods to unlock the bootloader or root the device, yet.
For many of us the thing that moved is to Android was just the shear ability to customize the crap out of your device. The ability to go one step further and install custom ROMs to further perfect your experience was also a huge plus.
However, these days I find the need to root my device become more of a hobbyist venture than something that actually makes my experience better. I'm curious to know who are the rooters and who are not? Does anyone still have any real purposes for rooting their device is it more of a "just because I can deal"
I am not rooting. Been there, done that. I know people will say well why get a nexus or Pixel if you aren't going to root?
I like stock android with fast updates.
I don't think its "more of a hobbyist venture than something that actually makes my experience better" when I've used root/xposed to wrangle stupid google play services wake locks.
But that said I'm not trying to lock myself out of safetynet anymore so, so long root (for the time being).
Ability to modify is biggest selling point of this device IMHO. Without it, this phone is bested by other phones in almost every category. Believe me, this phone is not like any of the other google inspired devices of the past. At only one point could nexus really compete with flagship devices. Without development the phone is good... maybe even really good... but with development this phone will be GRRREAT (in my best Tony the Tyger voice).
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Ability to modify is biggest selling point of this device IMHO. Without it, this phone is bested by other phones in almost every category. Believe me, this phone is not like any of the other google inspired devices of the past. At only one point could nexus really compete with flagship devices. Without development the phone is good... maybe even really good... but with development this phone will be GRRREAT (in my best Tony the Tyger voice).
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Well everyone has their opinions. I am just gonna disagree that the ability to modify is its biggest selling point. It's a small small small portion of the public who buys phones for this reason.
The Galaxy S7 is its biggest competition and the only objective thing people can say is better is the waterproofing.
Amen to that brother. Tired of all the issues and bugs and slow updates that come from rooting. Biggest reason that I went for the Pixel. That and tired of all the BS extra crapware added by the manufacturers and carriers. Pixel does not have that.
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HeCareth said:
Well everyone has their opinions. I am just gonna disagree that the ability to modify is its biggest selling point. It's a small small small portion of the public who buys phones for this reason.
The Galaxy S7 is its biggest competition and the only objective thing people can say is better is the waterproofing.
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Funny enough you say that. I saw a test recently where a Pixel was tested with full immersion in a bucket of water for 30 minutes and did fine. They did a second test for 45 minutes and then it started having a little problem with garbled sounds at times. But other than that it seems to be better sealed than they mark it as.
I'm the same as far as not really needing to root. In the past I'd mod the crap out of my phones, then it became a hassle. So then I'd just root for titanium backup and a couple other root apps and unlocked hotspot. Now with this phone, I find I don't even want to root. I like it the way it is
I keep an eye on the dev section to see if something pops up thatll make me want to root, but this time around im not as gung ho as I used to be. The only thing I really want is an unlocked hotspot. I NEVER have any luck with any of the hotspot/tether apps in the app store. If someone can get one of those apps working and let me know how they did it, id be eternally grateful. Or if there were a way to unlock hotspot without root, that would also be swell
its 100% on how you plan to use it. Stock experience is fantastic - the phone is fast as hell. Personally I always like to tweak everything about the phone so im rooting it (currently just miss snapchat) but I stayed on stock for a bit while I had it and it was still great. If you dont plan on tweaking the small things and dont want to deal with manually updating and possibly a soft brick or two, go for it and you wont regret.
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I'm the same as far as not really needing to root. In the past I'd mod the crap out of my phones, then it became a hassle. So then I'd just root for titanium backup and a couple other root apps and unlocked hotspot. Now with this phone, I find I don't even want to root. I like it the way it is
I keep an eye on the dev section to see if something pops up thatll make me want to root, but this time around im not as gung ho as I used to be. The only thing I really want is an unlocked hotspot. I NEVER have any luck with any of the hotspot/tether apps in the app store. If someone can get one of those apps working and let me know how they did it, id be eternally grateful. Or if there were a way to unlock hotspot without root, that would also be swell
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I hear you it is always a balance of do the tweaks outweigh the small hassles of rooting and modding. Before the answer was pretty clear. Now not so much.
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I hear you it is always a balance of do the tweaks outweigh the small hassles of rooting and modding. Before the answer was pretty clear. Now not so much.
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Exactly, and this phone is so freakin fast. I'm came off a galaxy S5 and the difference is night and day.
I also read somewhere that rooting has a good chance of breaking Android Pay, which I used for the first time the other day. It was lightning fast and was cool to try, so I'd hate to lose it
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Exactly, and this phone is so freakin fast. I'm came off a galaxy S5 and the difference is night and day.
I also read somewhere that rooting has a good chance of breaking Android Pay, which I used for the first time the other day. It was lightning fast and was cool to try, so I'd hate to lose it
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That's the biggest issue with rooting. Apps these days because of security issues are not allowing root. In addition to that even the best ROMs like Cyanogen still take forever to provide a stable OS update.
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That's the biggest issue with rooting. Apps these days because of security issues are not allowing root. In addition to that even the best ROMs like Cyanogen still take forever to provide a stable OS update.
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I thought I read there was a way around breaking it if you decide to root, but right now that's just one if those things I really don't even want to think about. Too many details for something that's not really important
I really want to root and ticker with my phone but I need my phone for running a business so I need a very stable phone. I really miss tinkering. I like supporting the XDA community by testing software but sadly my job requires my phone to be on its game.
I only mis adaway actualy. Not rooting for the first time since i got a smartphone (hd2).
Maybe in a later stage
Azerox said:
I only mis adaway actualy. Not rooting for the first time since i got a smartphone (hd2).
Maybe in a later stage
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Try AdGuard, it requires you to use local vpn but it works well and does not require root. You will need to purchase the premium service if you want to block ads across apps outside of the browser.
Adaway!
I also used to ROM and mod the heck out of my phones. I really don't see the need with a pixel and nougat. I still find rooting necessary though due to the incredibly annoying and time consuming ads on web pages. I was pained with popups, pop unders, and all other manor of java script ads until root came.
That said, I also really like FiSwitch (it works better with root) and a few things from xposed (like forcing Google dictation or immersive screen with gestures and no buttons) but I've been fine without it.
Azerox said:
I only mis adaway actualy. Not rooting for the first time since i got a smartphone (hd2).
Maybe in a later stage
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Take a look at this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-dns66-source-host-ad-blocker-root-t3487497
I'm ditching an s7 edge and plan to stay stock on the Pixel. I prefer fluid UX over gimmicky Samsung features.
bobby janow said:
Take a look at this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-dns66-source-host-ad-blocker-root-t3487497
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Better off going with AdGuard. This seems to have bugs with 7.0
HeCareth said:
Better off going with AdGuard. This seems to have bugs with 7.0
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Not for me. I'm running it on two devices both with 7.1. It was just posted as an option if anyone wants to try it. I have no reason to argue the value of either app. Whichever one works best for you is the one you go with.
Hi, all!
I bought the Blade X Max from Cricket, as it's got 32GB internal storage, a bigger screen, and seems a very hip machine.
Since Cricket seems to have instructed the various vendors, LG, Alcatel, and now ZTE to not only just make it difficult to root, but near-impossible, at least for someone without extensive knowledge as an Android dev, it's an annoyance...
There are legit, non-bootleg apps for which I spent good money (Titanium, Apps2SD Pro, FlashFire and others), which require root... Unlocking codes tend to be expensive, and the sites that offer them seem more spam-generators than anything else, and the Dr.Fone Root tool doesn't seem to even know the device exists, and, it's as yet not on their supported list, that I can see.
The device was released a month ago, so I'm not expecting immediate miracles, but wondering if anyone else owns the device, and if anyone with the dev chops would be interested in exploring the possibility.
Thanks for reading, and have a great day!
I own the ZTE Blade X Max as well, I havent tried root or anything else yet, I was a little surprised though when searching through XDA and this thread was all I found in relation to the ZTE Blade X Max.
XperianceIT said:
I own the ZTE Blade X Max as well, I havent tried root or anything else yet, I was a little surprised though when searching through XDA and this thread was all I found in relation to the ZTE Blade X Max.
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Well, since the device has only been around a few months, it's understandable that not a lot of the devs have access to one, but, yeah... All over the web, it's referred to as a carrier-branded phone, and people seem to not want to fiddle with it...
I don't need a custom ROM, but there are legit apps that I bought from the Play Store, and they require root...
I blame Cricket for being paranoid that someone would dare to customize her/his phone and tweak it... Times past, Cricket made it difficult to root a phone, but the LG G-Stylo was pretty much unrootable... I have a few paperweights of that model in my storage... The Idol 3 was able to be rooted, the 6055U Idol 4, not so much... and now this one... It seems that Cricket is trying to have the various manufacturers leave some things out of their flavors of Android, so that even someone who reasonably is willing to take the risk is sh!t out of luck... <sigh>
Yeah Cricket has been making it real hard to root any of their phones. I also have the Stylo 2, and they had lg remove the entire bootloader and stock recovery, how the hell that was possible is beyond me. Get used to this trend in Android, it's not just Cricket, allot of flagships are doing what they can to get rid of the ability to root, cause if we root we have control not them, and the manufacturers are making way to much in terms of ad revenue to allow us to have total control. My Blade X Max will sometimes randomly download apps and games without my permission, that's how they ( manufacturers ) make the money they do, we are basically walking billboards for them. So unless enough people get together and complain about the blatent abuse of the GPL Linux has laid out, it will never change, open source my ass, try getting the real source code for this phone, won't happen. I downloaded the source for the max x 2 and dug into the files, wasn't even the full code, and had junk files from dead devices. The Android world is not what it's supposed to be, get used to it.
zMILWAUKEE said:
Yeah Cricket has been making it real hard to root any of their phones. I also have the Stylo 2, and they had lg remove the entire bootloader and stock recovery, how the hell that was possible is beyond me. Get used to this trend in Android, it's not just Cricket, allot of flagships are doing what they can to get rid of the ability to root, cause if we root we have control not them, and the manufacturers are making way to much in terms of ad revenue to allow us to have total control. My Blade X Max will sometimes randomly download apps and games without my permission, that's how they ( manufacturers ) make the money they do, we are basically walking billboards for them. So unless enough people get together and complain about the blatent abuse of the GPL Linux has laid out, it will never change, open source my ass, try getting the real source code for this phone, won't happen. I downloaded the source for the max x 2 and dug into the files, wasn't even the full code, and had junk files from dead devices. The Android world is not what it's supposed to be, get used to it.
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Indeed...
Next time around, going to buy a pre-unlocked device (hell, even our local Walmart Super-aircraft hangar sells 'em), and just have the device ported over... if the vendor (Cricket, Metro, whomever) won't do it, they don't need my business... I'm a write-off from years back with Verizon, and, although my credit rating is much better these days, I worked for a Sprint call-center, and they sucketh verily and forsooth, and I don't know much about AT&T proper, or many other vendors...
But there are some vendors that are generally pretty hip, if a bit expensive, and I'm looking into seeing if, even if this is a vendor-branded device, there's a way, or just a straight-up trade for a device I can work with... Cricket's Android Nougat flavor is buggy as hell, and this is just kinda silly.
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What the hell...
"Oh, Brave new world that hath such people in it.."
Wow are you serious? No root method? I'm going to have to sell this phone? WTF I just liked it.
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justlovejoy said:
Wow are you serious? No root method? I'm going to have to sell this phone? WTF I just liked it.
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Well, apparently the bootloader's crippled, as Cricket seems to have insisted things be removed from ZTE's source code...
But, I'm wondering (though I might just be talking out my butt), if the code module could be extracted from ZMax Pro, as that's apparently its non-Cricket branded twin...
My coding chops are limited to old XBASE and a bit of Delphi/FPC, so I'm not the guy to do it, but am I in the ballpark with my idea?
Never really messed with the bootloader. I've always been developing from code tho. Haven't tinkled too much in about a year but need a laptop power cord before I can try anything. Bootloader isn't always a root blocker. It's more of a custom rom blocker if memory hasn't been affected by times changing
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Never really messed with the bootloader. I've always been developing from code tho. Haven't tinkled too much in about a year but need a laptop power cord before I can try anything. Bootloader isn't always a root blocker. It's more of a custom rom blocker if memory hasn't been affected by times changing
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Well, again, my chops are decades old, and tend to involve xBASE and Delphi coding, and I know very little about C/C++ and Java, and plead ignorance of what Cricket has insisted on having crippled in the source, and I lean on the expertise of devs here and elsewhere for that reason...
Just that it's one helluva device, or would be if it could be at least rooted.... I just don't know how... :laugh:
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Well, again, my chops are decades old, and tend to involve xBASE and Delphi coding, and I know very little about C/C++ and Java, and plead ignorance of what Cricket has insisted on having crippled in the source, and I lean on the expertise of devs here and elsewhere for that reason...
Just that it's one helluva device, or would be if it could be at least rooted.... I just don't know how... [emoji23]
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Facts!
That's what the kids say today, lol. It's a beauty. Had to get mine swapped out for another due to the fingerprint reader and camera being intermittent between reboots. Not much I can say wrong about this device. Waiting on the key to the mailbox for my laptop charger still. Can't promise anything yet but I'm hopeful that our resources will get us started, even if it's just a long list of what doesn't work. Lmfao
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Is there anything we can do to this phone? Any thing
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Yes I have z982 and would like a forums section
Bootloader and recovery
zMILWAUKEE said:
Yeah Cricket has been making it real hard to root any of their phones. I also have the Stylo 2, and they had lg remove the entire bootloader and stock recovery, how the hell that was possible is beyond me. Get used to this trend in Android, it's not just Cricket, allot of flagships are doing what they can to get rid of the ability to root, cause if we root we have control not them, and the manufacturers are making way to much in terms of ad revenue to allow us to have total control. My Blade X Max will sometimes randomly download apps and games without my permission, that's how they ( manufacturers ) make the money they do, we are basically walking billboards for them. So unless enough people get together and complain about the blatent abuse of the GPL Linux has laid out, it will never change, open source my ass, try getting the real source code for this phone, won't happen. I downloaded the source for the max x 2 and dug into the files, wasn't even the full code, and had junk files from dead devices. The Android world is not what it's supposed to be, get used to it.
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First off they can't remove the bootloader as android WON'T boot without it, and recovery is needed for factory resets. Cricket has never been helpful about supporting their phones, but of you do a search you can find out how to get into the recovery. (And it's the ZTE Blade ZMax, not X Max, X Max is just crickets version of the Blade ZMax)
To get into recovery you can go to this link for instructions
http://www.hardreset.info/devices/zte/zte-blade-x-max-z983/recovery-mode/
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First off they can't remove the bootloader as android WON'T boot without it, and recovery is needed for factory resets. Cricket has never been helpful about supporting their phones, but of you do a search you can find out how to get into the recovery. (And it's the ZTE Blade ZMax, not X Max, X Max is just crickets version of the Blade ZMax)
To get into recovery you can go to this link for instructions
http://www.hardreset.info/devices/zte/zte-blade-x-max-z983/recovery-mode/
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Have always been able to get into the stock recovery, and the download mode... those are not the issues, friend....
Whatever Cricket specified be done to their stock ROM by ZTE, we're blocked from doing those things that would enable us to actually use legit apps that we paid real money for.
I don't care about any sort of custom ROM, as these days, I really don't have the time to **** with it... But I've been an Android user for years... I've no problem rooting a device, given a workable method, and at least nutshell instructions, and doing a few things, as a user... As long as there is a way to get back to Square 1, should I screw up, I'm not afraid to explore, and, again, I believe in supporting good developers... If an app does what I want it to, I buy it, as long as it doesn't break the bank... in that case, I uninstall and find something better or cheaper...
But Cricket, in their either paranoia, or control freak attitude has been progressively making their devices less and less possible to do what we bought them for, unless we happen to be Cricket employees, sworn to secrecy regarding those codes beneath and behind the *# ones that really don't do much, at least not the ones we need to use, such as the menu option for "unlock" which doesn't without other input...
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Have always been able to get into the stock recovery, and the download mode... those are not the issues, friend....
Whatever Cricket specified be done to their stock ROM by ZTE, we're blocked from doing those things that would enable us to actually use legit apps that we paid real money for.
I don't care about any sort of custom ROM, as these days, I really don't have the time to **** with it... But I've been an Android user for years... I've no problem rooting a device, given a workable method, and at least nutshell instructions, and doing a few things, as a user... As long as there is a way to get back to Square 1, should I screw up, I'm not afraid to explore, and, again, I believe in supporting good developers... If an app does what I want it to, I buy it, as long as it doesn't break the bank... in that case, I uninstall and find something better or cheaper...
But Cricket, in their either paranoia, or control freak attitude has been progressively making their devices less and less possible to do what we bought them for, unless we happen to be Cricket employees, sworn to secrecy regarding those codes beneath and behind the *# ones that really don't do much, at least not the ones we need to use, such as the menu option for "unlock" which doesn't without other input...
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... and just to say that I know that "unlock" and "root" are two different things... was just an example.
pauljulian said:
Have always been able to get into the stock recovery, and the download mode... those are not the issues, friend....
Whatever Cricket specified be done to their stock ROM by ZTE, we're blocked from doing those things that would enable us to actually use legit apps that we paid real money for.
I don't care about any sort of custom ROM, as these days, I really don't have the time to **** with it... But I've been an Android user for years... I've no problem rooting a device, given a workable method, and at least nutshell instructions, and doing a few things, as a user... As long as there is a way to get back to Square 1, should I screw up, I'm not afraid to explore, and, again, I believe in supporting good developers... If an app does what I want it to, I buy it, as long as it doesn't break the bank... in that case, I uninstall and find something better or cheaper...
But Cricket, in their either paranoia, or control freak attitude has been progressively making their devices less and less possible to do what we bought them for, unless we happen to be Cricket employees, sworn to secrecy regarding those codes beneath and behind the *# ones that really don't do much without other input...
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I'm not sure how you would root that particular phone, but I'm sure there is a way, or will be once the phone is out there longer, being without root access is a pain in the a**
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I'm not sure how you would root that particular phone, but I'm sure there is a way, or will be once the phone is out there longer, being without root access is a pain in the a**
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When I originally started the thread, yep... I know the thing's not been out long... like since May (and I know crap all about the "Z" model used by other vendors... Obviously there's a drastic difference in the firmware, though...)...
Given time, I'm certain someone will work it out... There's a gentleman on another thread that seems to be working on it, and I'm going under the thing of "no news is good news" :laugh:
I've no doubt there's a way... I did a short stint at a call-center for Sprint, and there are always ways... It's a matter of having the right set of input codes, to get to the means to do the real deal...
I really dig the phone, although Cricket's flavor of Nougat isn't the most stable in the world... but, with the legal and legit apps I bought and continue to support, that's less of an issue.
It's frustrating when a company knows what a pain in the ass it is without allowing the user to administer it as really needs be... and they still refuse to permit it... I get that turning it into a paperweight can get tedious, but, given the means to get it back to factory standard in a reasonably simple way without sending it in, or buying another is just what I would see as normal... It's my own fault if I haven't backed up my data, but, if I somehow hose the firmware, just give me a means to get back to the start... It worked with their edition of the the Alcatel Idol 3... the Idol 4 (6055U)... I just gave the hell up.
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When I originally started the thread, yep... I know the thing's not been out long... like since May (and I know crap all about the "Z" model used by other vendors... Obviously there's a drastic difference in the firmware, though...)...
Given time, I'm certain someone will work it out... There's a gentleman on another thread that seems to be working on it, and I'm going under the thing of "no news is good news" :laugh:
I've no doubt there's a way... I did a short stint at a call-center for Sprint, and there are always ways... It's a matter of having the right set of input codes, to get to the means to do the real deal...
I really dig the phone, although Cricket's flavor of Nougat isn't the most stable in the world... but, with the legal and legit apps I bought and continue to support, that's less of an issue.
It's frustrating when a company knows what a pain in the ass it is without allowing the user to administer it as really needs be... and they still refuse to permit it... I get that turning it into a paperweight can get tedious, but, given the means to get it back to factory standard in a reasonably simple way without sending it in, or buying another is just what I would see as normal... It's my own fault if I haven't backed up my data, but, if I somehow hose the firmware, just give me a means to get back to the start... It worked with their edition of the the Alcatel Idol 3... the Idol 4 (6055U)... I just gave the hell up.
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I don't mean to freak out anyone that "Holy Cr*p! Someone's doing something"
.... But I'm just wondering if anyone's doing something.... ?
It's not going to happen my best advice to you is get another phone. I have the z982 the z981,982,983 all of them are unrootable ZTE had a bad hack a few years back that almost shut them down root was giving full access to those phones through apps. I hate this phone and can't wait to get a new one. Never again will I buy ZTE
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It's not going to happen my best advice to you is get another phone. I have the z982 the z981,982,983 all of them are unrootable ZTE had a bad hack a few years back that almost shut them down root was giving full access to those phones through apps. I hate this phone and can't wait to get a new one. Never again will I buy ZTE
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Well, for damned sure I'm sick of Cricket's control freak practice...
But it seems there are too many vendors that undercut legitimate developers whose products require root access...
I don't really need a custom ROM, but I bought Apps2SD Pro, Titanium and some others because I found them to be well-written, well-designed, and they did what I needed them for... But, since I can't root this otherwise pretty cool device, I've basically wasted my $$... I'll get another device at some time, preferably from a vendor that is less paranoid about users actually using their devices to their potential, but for right now?
This is one of the most stupid situations I've found myself... A device that is capable of being a laptop replacement, but the vendor only insists on our using them as they dictate...
So, is disgust an applicable word?
... mind you, not at those among us who were suckered into buying a hip but crippled device.
(although I've the idea that those who actually work for Cricket but are sworn to secrecy by potential lawsuits and loss of employment actually have an idea as to whatever *# commands actually go deep enough to do what's needed)
But I have no issues with those such as I that found a really hip little machine, yet have found ourselves locked away from its potential...
My issues are with the control-freak assholes that set the policies for the companies we pay entirely too much to remain in necessary communication.
It's about S20s Exynos 990 powered phones of course, but looking at the 5G/LTE bands configuration needed here for the US, some of the phones can run Tmo Mvnos. I'd think. As for 4G they appear to have it all. Imagine the possibilities of having ROM development on S20 Ultra. We should wait and see how much S20s phones, imported from India, Singapore or UK, will go for later on on eBay:
https://www.techwalls.com/?s=Samsung+Galaxy+S20+Ultra
02/18/20 updateFound out that the techwalls.com list has some errors i.e. the Korean SM-G988N has actually a Snapdragon in it and not Exynos, I think they just copied whatever list like, from Note 10?
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/1232050
and will have locked bootloader
Root? Sure, roms? Doubtful. Also Gcam port will never work on the exy. I bet the gcam port on Snap will be better than the stock Samsung cam app. I think I am done rooting for now. Samsungs SW is very good now. As long as substratum works for theming, which it should, I will be happy.
If we can root and bootloader unlock, the pixel os will be sweet on this phone. buttery smooth
lucky_strike33 said:
If we can root and bootloader unlock, the pixel os will be sweet on this phone. buttery smooth
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Supposedly it's already buttery smooth though. You'll lose all the good additions Samsung adds too..
oneandroidnut said:
and will have locked bootloader
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on the exynos? i suppose they will lock it down eventually in the past few years they have all been unlocked thus far.
guess we will see about the S20 shortly
I stopped bothering with the rooting after all the device checking with so many apps. Sure, there's always a way to sidestep but eventually it gets old. Some of us want to actually enjoy our phones not play a wacky version of whack-a-mole!
That said, I wish they would just allow the end user to unlock the damn bootloader and make the process reversible if they wish. Device checking is already there and just like DRM it can be thwarted by those possessing the knowledge to do so.
I've also given up on rooting and modding. It's pretty hard to improve on the software on a phone these days, whether it's Android, One UI or whatever. With all the personal info on a phone like banking and credit card data, I think the security is important. I miss that good ad blocking when rooted but I get by.
dmb219 said:
I've also given up on rooting and modding. It's pretty hard to improve on the software on a phone these days, whether it's Android, One UI or whatever. With all the personal info on a phone like banking and credit card data, I think the security is important. I miss that good ad blocking when rooted but I get by.
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Yup, “the thrill is gone” for sure. (BB King paraphrased) And now Samsung and others can capitalize on it making new phones every 6 months or so to keep the excitement(and money) flowing.
People would keep their phones for a long time in not-so-distant past while experiencing re-hashed interest in 'old' devices getting new mods and ROMs.
Is rooting really even needed on modern android phones anymore? I used to love rooting my phones and installing custom roms (other than the 1 device I bricked) but I see no need for it anymore.
first thing i will do is root to get rid of all the facebook ****
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first thing i will do is root to get rid of all the facebook ****
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You can disable without root.
people who say you don't need rooting anymore must be joking... or they just did superficial things with root.
chieco said:
people who say you don't need rooting anymore must be joking... or they just did superficial things with root.
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It used to be necessary, now I find it more of a hobby, than anything else.
VZTech said:
It used to be necessary, now I find it more of a hobby, than anything else.
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depends on what you want to achieve. IMHO rooting unleashes the true power of your device. Even with oneui 2.1 you can better your experience by far. My rooted S10 with has so many great functions even oneui 6.8 won't have. Even with let's say GoodLock Modules there is a waaaaaay better Magisk or Xposed Modules that let you customize things way more.
dasers13 said:
Is rooting really even needed on modern android phones anymore? I used to love rooting my phones and installing custom roms (other than the 1 device I bricked) but I see no need for it anymore.
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adaway, titanium backup, viper4android, the list goes on. Root is essential.
What's the benefit of rooting these days? Seems like a lot of work for little benefit
What is the benefit of rooting ...
For the ignorant consumer, little. For the ones asking what the benefits are, there is evidently nothing they need. For the rest of us who want to have full control of their devices, instead of delegating this to some vendor, the benefits are evident and not worth talking about. I really do not understand why there is so much text written about the pros and cons of rooting, and then asked about again and again. Waste of bytes, waste of storage on this server, waste of time for the reader - this post about the benefits of rooting included
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For the ignorant consumer, little.
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For the general consumer, not necessarily an ignorant one.
ecoco1 said:
For the ones asking what the benefits are, there is evidently nothing they need.
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Exceptionalism doesn't suit you.
ecoco1 said:
For the rest of us who want to have full control of their devices, instead of delegating this to some vendor, the benefits are evident and not worth talking about. I really do not understand why there is so much text written about the pros and cons of rooting, and then asked about again and again.
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So, you admit you don't actually know.
ecoco1 said:
Waste of bytes, waste of storage on this server, waste of time for the reader - this post about the benefits of rooting included
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Wasting bytes? Don't understand this, you can't waste bytes, they are near infinite and the number snails grows by the second.
roadcabe14 said:
What's the benefit of rooting these days? Seems like a lot of work for little benefit
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Faster updates and longer support for updates.
Greater control of permissions.
Better control of how the phone looks.
Mostly it's a digital measuring contest though, "My phone's rooted" is a badge of honor for some.
Of course my phone is rooted, I need it to be like that to do my job, but this seasonal heated discussion on the pros/cons of rooting is childish.
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For the general consumer, not necessarily an ignorant one.
Exceptionalism doesn't suit you.
So, you admit you don't actually know.
Wasting bytes? Don't understand this, you can't waste bytes, they are near infinite and the number snails grows by the second.
Faster updates and longer support for updates.
Greater control of permissions.
Better control of how the phone looks.
Mostly it's a digital measuring contest though, "My phone's rooted" is a badge of honor for some.
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