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GSM Windows Phone 8 devices with LTE

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There are many people who like to buy their smartphones from 3rd party vendors (ebay, and other on-line stores), so on.
Fortunately, there are several smartphones start with support for LTE networks
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CANADA, U.S. (At&t, T-MOBILE), MEXICO (TELCEL), ARGENTINA (MOVISTAR), URUGUAY (ANTEL), PUERTO RICO (at&t), ETC.
To date are only four models of Windows Phone 8 with support for LTE networks in BC4 (the LTE Band Class 4, is the key band in many operators in America, but not to all) , whose band is used for LTE in Canada, Mexico Telcel LTE and the upcoming LTE network fron TMoUS
Should be mentioned that at&t has the license for the BC4, but not yet implemented (at least commercially), and so far at&t only uses its LTE in BC17 (the band 17 should not interest anyone outside of at&t). Even so, the at&t´s LTE devices releases are still very relevant to another countries like Mexico and another some countries in Latin America, becauser ther LTE devices that are made for at&t in addition to the band 17, also include support for LTE in the band 4, which is the band that is used by several american carriers. LTE devices from Canada work also in BC4
WP DEVICES WITH LTE IN BC4:
For now, WP8 devices supporting LTE Band 4, are:
-HTC Windows Phone 8x (check that it is the GSM version with LTE in BC4, not to be confused with Verizon´s HTC 8x, nor the global version without LTE). There are variants of 8Gb and 16Gb of storage.
-Samsung Ativ S GT-i8750 (not to be confused with the version GSM/CDMA). With variants of 16 or 32 GB of storage
-Nokia Lumia 920.2 [RM-820]. Not to be confused with the Lumia 920 RM-821 which supports other LTE bands (European and others)
-Nokia Lumia 820.2 [RM-824]. Not to be confused with the Lumia 820 RM-825 which has European and other LTE bands
Specifications:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=3808&id2=3814&id3=3914&id4=3985&id5=3906&id6=3860
At the moment, I have no information if some trick is needed to operate the LTE in another network for which it was designed, (of course, assuming that both the device and the network has the appropiated LTE band, but the smartphones mentioned meet the requirement of hardware essential to be able to function in carriers with LTE LTE in BC4
For example, so far, I know the requirements to enjoy the LTE if the device was not purchased with the operator (Telcel Mexico case for now, but can serve as a reference for other operators):
-A unlocked device, which support the band LTE 4 (or AWS LTE, which is the same)
-Being in an LTE coverage area
-A Version 6 SIM Card
-Postpaid plan
-That the operators´s system enable your cell phone line as "LTE user"
-May or may not, be needed a minor operation, as in the case of the Nexus 4 you have to enter a service menu to change settings related to LTE (like Nexus 4); or edit the APN settings (like as was done with the 3G)
Europe
In Europe, LTE bands are used:
BC7 (this is in 2600MHz) used for LTE in most countries of the EU; Australia, etc
BC20 (this is in 800MHz) some European countries already in use as in France, Germany, etc.. (although in the same territory also use BC7); Australia
BC3 (this is in 1800MHz). Only a few countries use this as LTE band are: Belgium, Denmark, Finland, etc (although in the same territory also use BC7 and BC20). Australia uses BC3 too.
WP8 DEVICES THAT HAVE LTE IN BC7, AND LTE IN BC20:
Lumia 920 [RM-821], not to be confused with the American version.
Lumia 820 [RM-825], not to be confused with the American version.
UPDATE: Added:
-HTC 8X LTE C625b (LTE BC7 and LTE BC3)
Specs:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=4039&id2=3859&id3=3858
Note: Some Latin American operators are deploying LTE networks in LTE frequency BC7, as Entel in Chile, UNE in Colombia, so they falls in the second case (European style)
sorry for my bad english

In many European countries networks are already operational on 2600 Mhz. Some countries are allowing refarming of spectrum in the 1800 Mhz range. Some have already deployed in the spectrum of the digital dividend (switch to DVB-T) at around 800 Mhz, while other countries still have not given away those frequencies. It is safe to assume that most european networks will operate on a Mix of 800/2600 or 1800/2600.
The european versions of the Lumia 820/920 to my knowledge should support all three of those bands.

[Q] SM-N910F

Does anyone know if the SM-N910F will get LTE service on AT&T in the United States?

I am looking for a definite answer as well from someone who has the F or the C. I would rather go with Internation if I am going to bring my own phone to AT&T

Has anyone seen/read any confirmation if a the N910F or N910U will work with the AT&T Network? I currently have the AT&T N910A and have only till the 25th to return it; phone cannot be rooted at this time and don't want to be stuck with it.
I'm reading conflicting reports saying the the N910U will work with AT&T, the N910C is exynos based and would like a Qualcom based version.

I ended up purchasing a SM-N910F. While it does work on the AT&T network I am getting 4G connectivity but no LTE indicator.

Phurious said:
I ended up purchasing a SM-N910F. While it does work on the AT&T network I am getting 4G connectivity but no LTE indicator.
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4G=LTE

henklbr said:
4G=LTE
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Not so sure . . .
My Galaxy Note 3:
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And the SM-N910F from the same location:

Phurious said:
Not so sure . . .
My Galaxy Note 3:
And the SM-N910F from the same location:
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On your Note 4, can you go to mobile networks and change it to GSM only, then run another test and compare.
I think your Note 4 is running on HSPA+ only.

Phurious said:
Not so sure . . .
My Galaxy Note 3:
And the SM-N910F from the same location:
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Look at my speedtest in signature: the Vodafone one is on 4G
You've the -F- (European) version of the Note 4; maybe your Note 3 is operating on a different (faster) LTE/4G band that is not supported on your Note 4!

Phurious said:
Does anyone know if the SM-N910F will get LTE service on AT&T in the United States?
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I found this thread and was able to modify the frequency settings on my SM-N910F.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/how-to-add-rf-lte-frequency-bands-to-t2886059
Even though I still do not get a "4G LTE" icon in the status bar when I run LTE Discovery and SpeedTest the SM-N910F is matching my AT&T SM-N900A.

4G configuraciom
Phurious said:
I found this thread and was able to modify the frequency settings on my SM-N910F.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/how-to-add-rf-lte-frequency-bands-to-t2886059
Even though I still do not get a "4G LTE" icon in the status bar when I run LTE Discovery and SpeedTest the SM-N910F is matching my AT&T SM-N900A.
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Hola para poner la 4 G ES FASIL SI ES CLON CHINO PON *#*#9228*#*# Entras adentro y cambia a 4g

henklbr said:
4G=LTE
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Sorry Bro, but 4G does not equal LTE. At least not in the US. A while back when 4G was an upcoming technology, carriers started pushing updates to the phones that made the phone display 4G even though it was actually running HSPA+ (3.5G). When LTE came out, the phones would still either display 4G or would display 4G LTE or just LTE. The only true way to tell if your phone is recognizing the LTE network is in your "About Device" Status screen under Mobile Network Type/State. That will tell you which network you are connected to, whether it be EDGE(2G), HSDPA(3G), HSPA+(3.5G/4G), or LTE(4G LTE).
AT&T is pretty tight lipped about their service. I have received many different answers depending on who you talk to at AT&T. The only thing I can suggest is to put the AT&T sim card it and make sure you have the APN configured correctly. The European model of the Note 4 actually has more LTE bands than the AT&T model. For quick reference, wikipedia states that AT&T in the US uses 2, 4, and 17.
Off of Samsung US for Note 4 AT&T:
SM-N910A - B2(1900) / B4(AWS) / B5(850) / B12(700) / B17(700)
Off of Samsung UK for Note 4 Europe Unlocked:
SM-N910F - B1(2100), B2(1900), B3(1800), B4(AWS), B5(850), B7(2600), B8(900), B17(700), B20(800)
Interesting to note that the AT&T Note Edge has almost all the same LTE bands as the European Note 4.
Off of Samsung US for Note Edge AT&T:
SM-N915A - B1(2100), B2(1900), B3(1800), B4(AWS), B5(850), B7(2600), B17(700), B20(800)
So with that being said, just because it uses the same bands, doesn't mean that it will function properly on another carrier's network.
So, if you are having issues getting LTE, then you may be in an area that strictly uses Band 12 or there is a configuration issue somewhere. I would get with AT&T and hash out the configuration issue and AT&T will help you out if you bring an unlocked phone to their network. More often than not, it's an IMEI issue. Their IMEI to LTE database is very rigid and if I recall correctly only has the IMEIs for AT&T phones and no others. A bit closed minded in my opinion, but they won't change it.
Now, with all that being said, I want to make something perfectly clear. AT&T does not guarantee LTE service, even on their own phones. Though with the AT&T variation you will get LTE more often than the European variation. Doesn't seem like it would work that way, but that's why AT&T has their variation. It's been vetted by AT&T.

Will my Moto G4 Plus bought in India work in USA ?

I've ordered a new Moto G4 Plus off Amazon.in (Amazon for India) .
Link of the product that i bought : http://www.amazon.in/Moto-Plus-4th-Gen-Black/dp/B01DDP7GZK
Look at the Specs (Focus on Connectivity Technologies )
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Now, take a look here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators_of_the_Americas#United_States
My Question is, will my device (the one bought in India) work in USA without any additional effort (like unlocking or something) ?
And IF unlocking is necessary to make my device work in the USA, please point me to the required resource .
Additionally, I'd like to show this to you :
Summarising the entire question in one sentence --> "Will a Moto G Plus 4th Gen bought in India work in USA ?"
Thanks people, in advance, for answering my question . Thank you :* .

The Indian model should be SIM unlocked, but it might be locked if you buy it through an Indian carrier (I don't know how it works over there). The Indian model has Quadband GSM, Triband HSPA, and LTE 1, 3, 5, 8, 40.
In the US, on AT&T you'll get 2G (850MHz and 1900MHz), 3G (850MHz), and in a few markets, LTE on Band 5 (which is also 850MHz). It's missing AT&T's primary LTE band 12/17, as well as LTE bands 2 and 4, and 3G on 1900MHz.
On T-Mobile, you'll get 2G on 1900MHz and that's it. It's missing 3G on 1700MHz/2100MHz and 1900MHz, and LTE Bands 2, 4, 12.
It will not work on Verizon or Sprint at all.

xtermmin said:
The Indian model should be SIM unlocked, but it might be locked if you buy it through an Indian carrier (I don't know how it works over there). The Indian model has Quadband GSM, Triband HSPA, and LTE 1, 3, 5, 8, 40.
In the US, on AT&T you'll get 2G (850MHz and 1900MHz), 3G (850MHz), and in a few markets, LTE on Band 5 (which is also 850MHz). It's missing AT&T's primary LTE band 12/17, as well as LTE bands 2 and 4, and 3G on 1900MHz.
On T-Mobile, you'll get 2G on 1900MHz and that's it. It's missing 3G on 1700MHz/2100MHz and 1900MHz, and LTE Bands 2, 4, 12.
It will not work on Verizon or Sprint at all.
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Ok.. what would you suggest me ?
Return this phone back and buy a new one in US ?
Or are there phones that I can buy here which will definitely work in USA ?

.:Death_Angel:. said:
Ok.. what would you suggest me ?
Return this phone back and buy a new one in US ?
Or are there phones that I can buy here which will definitely work in USA ?
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The US model of the G4 Plus has Triband CDMA, Quadband GSM, Pentaband (five-band) HSPA, and LTE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 25, 26, 41. It'll work on all major carriers, although some prepaid carriers do not allow unlocked phones as part of their own policy.
Compared to the Indian model, you're missing LTE Band 40. If Band 40 isn't important to you, get the US model.

xtermmin said:
The US model of the G4 Plus has Triband CDMA, Quadband GSM, Pentaband (five-band) HSPA, and LTE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 25, 26, 41. It'll work on all major carriers, although some prepaid carriers do not allow unlocked phones as part of their own policy.
Compared to the Indian model, you're missing LTE Band 40. If Band 40 isn't important to you, get the US model.
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The problem is, I dont have a smart phone right now and i need one.
Let's say i buy the indian model right now. N assuming ill get AT&T sim in US, my phone will have phone calls, messages, 2G, 3G and WiFi right ?
Because thats all i want really. I'll be ok without 4G (dont need it, 3G is enough for me) .

.:Death_Angel:. said:
The problem is, I dont have a smart phone right now and i need one.
Let's say i buy the indian model right now. N assuming ill get AT&T sim in US, my phone will have phone calls, messages, 2G, 3G and WiFi right ?
Because thats all i want really. I'll be ok without 4G (dont need it, 3G is enough for me) .
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Yes, the Indian version will work on AT&T US on 2G and 3G for calls/texts/data and WiFi for data.

Did you get Moto g4 in India? Did it work in USA?

HI ... I am facing same issue...
I brought MOTO -G4 plus from INDIA and currently I am in USA and using AT&T service.
I can only access 2-G network.
Is there any solution so that I can use 4-G network here ??

sagarratunawar said:
HI ... I am facing same issue...
I brought MOTO -G4 plus from INDIA and currently I am in USA and using AT&T service.
I can only access 2-G network.
Is there any solution so that I can use 4-G network here ??
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I am also having the same problem. Did you find any solution?
By any chance, manual installation of Nougat usa release fix the problem?

G950F on T-mobile

So i'm probably about to pull the trigger on this phone because i'm sure it'll work fine on T-mobile, but upon researching, it looks like we could be missing LTE band 66.
"When it comes to T-Mobile, we’re focused on the LTE bands 2, 4, 12, and 66, the last of which is a newer band that T-Mo will be using for LTE coverage."
http://www.tmonews.com/2017/03/samsung-galaxy-s8-hits-fcc-support-lte-band-66/
As for international G950F, these sites cite bands 2, 4, & 12.. but no 66. Considering 2, 4, & 12 handle most of the coverage and that 66 is a newer band I don't think this is an issue at all. Besides my pixel has the same bands, sans 66 and I have great coverage.
https://www.frequencycheck.com/models/AabYB/samsung-sm-g950f-galaxy-s8-td-lte-samsung-dream
http://www.willmydevicework.com/device/samsung-sm-g950f-galaxy-s8-td-lte
I know the international S7 worked fine here in the US, but I had ATT back then. If anyone else has a G950F on Tmobile here in the US, please posts results so we can establish a consensus that LTE coverage is not an issue.

The F model supports band 66 according to the FCC filing . The sites you are using are not accurate.
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3292120

clubtech said:
The F model supports band 66 according to the FCC filing . The sites you are using are not accurate.
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3292120
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Does this go the same for the FD model?

clubtech said:
The F model supports band 66 according to the FCC filing . The sites you are using are not accurate.
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3292120
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I'm still unclear as to whether or not the FCC model "G950U" is the G950F or a US carrier version, but i have read several references to the FCC model being "unlocked", so maybe it is.

TehPirate_ said:
Does this go the same for the FD model?
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FD model supports the same bands as the F model.
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Chronzy said:
I'm still unclear as to whether or not the FCC model "G950U" is the G950F or a US carrier version, but i have read several references to the FCC model being "unlocked", so maybe it is.
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The U and F models are two different models.
The F/FD are international unlocked version.
The U model is the US model (locked or unlocked) and has a different FCC certification.
It also support mode LTE bands and carrier aggregation options for the US.

Not sure in F supports WiFi calling...

Does the US model support all US Carrier frequency bands? I'm curious because once I'm done paying my phone off on sprint I would like to unlock it and bring it to t-mobile. I also ask because I read that the US version of the S8 are the same no matter the carrier....

XBlackChaosX said:
Does the US model support all US Carrier frequency bands? I'm curious because once I'm done paying my phone off on sprint I would like to unlock it and bring it to t-mobile. I also ask because I read that the US version of the S8 are the same no matter the carrier....
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Not sure about that. Sprint is CDMA and T-mobile is GSM. Typically not compatible.
clubtech said:
The U and F models are two different models.
The F/FD are international unlocked version.
The U model is the US model (locked or unlocked) and has a different FCC certification.
It also support mode LTE bands and carrier aggregation options for the US.
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Well i'd figure any model made for the US market would have 66.. The international G950F was the one in question. And it looks like I answered my question with a little more digging. This test report from the FCC for the G950F confirms band 66 along with, from what I can see every necessary LTE band for both ATT and Tmobile. See "4.6 EUT Description" https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3292314 It also references some CDMA bands so maybe you can switch from Sprint to GSM carrier.. idk.

Chronzy said:
Not sure about that. Sprint is CDMA and T-mobile is GSM. Typically not compatible.
Well i'd figure any model made for the US market would have 66.. The international G950F was the one in question. And it looks like I answered my question with a little more digging. This test report from the FCC for the G950F confirms band 66 along with, from what I can see every necessary LTE band for both ATT and Tmobile. See "4.6 EUT Description" https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3292314 It also references some CDMA bands so maybe you can switch from Sprint to GSM carrier.. idk.
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I too did some digging in regards to band 66 support on the international model. The phone doesn't directly support the band from my understanding but has the hardware to interact with band 66 frequencies. This in returns grants band 66 compatibility at band 42 or similar. This is just my interpretation and could be wrong but best I've come up with thus far.
edit: To help backup my claim: http://niviuk.free.fr/lte_band.php
Band 66 utilizes the 2100Mhz spectrum and according to a T-mobile rep:
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955FD has band 66- BUT
The 955 FD (presume also 955F and 950FD and 950FD) has band 66. Tested on Freedommobile (Wind) Canada
BUT
If it takes a phone call it drops to wcdma band 4, and does not return to band 66 LTE.
I must toggle LTE/WCDMA/GSM to WCDMA/GSM and back to LTE/WCDMA/GSM to get band 66 LTE working again,
Your argument as to this is the fault of Freedomobile or Samsung. Some other phones but not 95xFx have had a firmware fix here on XDA.
Could a utility be written to do this?
If someone can solve this I might even root my S8+ 955FD!

LTE on AT&T

Anyone who purchased the unlocked version of this phone and who's carrier is AT&T, do you have consistent 4G coverage? I find my phone spends most of the time on H+. I contacted AT&T and had them provision it to allow connection to the LTE network and while at times it does connect in certain areas it does not connect as my wife's sg8 does. The speeds are also not as fast as she sees on her sg8. I feel like I have to conclude it does not support all of AT&T's bands. I wonder if this is hardware or software limited. Any thoughts?

dantegl36 said:
Anyone who purchased the unlocked version of this phone and who's carrier is AT&T, do you have consistent 4G coverage? I find my phone spends most of the time on H+. I contacted AT&T and had them provision it to allow connection to the LTE network and while at times it does connect in certain areas it does not connect as my wife's sg8 does. The speeds are also not as fast as she sees on her sg8. I feel like I have to conclude it does not support all of AT&T's bands. I wonder if this is hardware or software limited. Any thoughts?
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IDK if a software update can/would enable more band support,I sure hope so:
A call to ASUS is in order,to get then to specify exactly which LTE Bands are supported.
Reason I say this is because some other sites are listing the specs as full (or close to it) LTE Support for North American markets & for using my 8GB/128GB model on T-Mobile US ,this does not seem to be the case:
At my current location,I am getting only Band 2 LTE on T-Mobile,which is a fallback band,along with Band 12.
Band 4 is the predominate LTE Band for T-Mobile in virtually all markets they service (w/a few exceptions,where Band 12 is primary).
I should be pulling in Band 4 with no problem,I've reset network settings & this changes nothing,along with trying an alternative T-Mobile APN.
I'm able to connect to Band 2 LTE,UMTS,HSPA+,but AFAICT,no Band 4 support & from my best guess,;looking around @ ASUS,no Band 12 support either.
Not trying to hijack the thread & turn it into a T-Mobile LTE Thread,just letting you know AT&T apparently isn't the only network that is sparse in connectivity to this phone in North America.
If nothing else,a word of caution to those considering buying this phone,get the word directly from ASUS regarding LTE Connectivity with your service provider.
Chances are the support isn't as good as some other similarly priced global phones on the market.
I can live with just Band 2 LTE ,if coverage is strong in my town,I've yet to try it out in all surrounding areas.
If coverage is spotty,I'm boxing it back up & sending it back.
FWIW,here's a .PDF from ASUS listing the LTE Band support for the AR & a few other devices:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=...bility/ASUS_ZenFone_Network_Compatibility.pdf
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Anyone got ideas/input on how/if more bands can be turned on/etc... (if the hardware supports it),by all means,please jump in. :good:

Their seem to three vibrants
1) Verizon LTE band 2/4.
2) global LTE band 2.
3)north America LTE band 2/4/12.
How do tell the different between global and north America vibrants??
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