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Android Nougat RELEASED!!!!! Honor 8?!!

Android Nougat is officially released (See the Android website) :victory:
Since Honor didn't release (yet) the kernel source, let's hope when its released (SOOOOOOON PLZ) :fingers-crossed: it gets the proper treatment, a PURE stock-Android based on Nougat. Devs, if you hear me, we don't want marshmallow based ROM's :laugh:

PalakMi said:
Android Nougat is officially released (See the Android website) :victory:
Since Honor didn't release (yet) the kernel source, let's hope when its released (SOOOOOOON PLZ) :fingers-crossed: it gets the proper treatment, a PURE stock-Android based on Nougat. Devs, if you hear me, we don't want marshmallow based ROM's :laugh:
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Haha I am sure that will be something to look at depending on the release source and everything that comes with it to build a good PURE stock android based nougat

mgbotoe said:
Haha I am sure that will be something to look at depending on the release source and everything that comes with it to build a good PURE stock android based nougat
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We hope it will be done fast

[Q] Android 7 Nougat on YotaPhone 2 ???

Does anybody tried this ??
http://nougat-central.org/rom-download/yota-yotaphone-2
Android 7 Nougat on YotaPhone 2
Micheal

It's real?

skirep said:
It's real?
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i dont think ...

It seems a fake.
They wrote about XDA-DEVELOPER forum, but we are here and there is nothing.
I try to download the files, but it ask me money for the download.

fake,

Android 7 Nougat need a SoC compatible with Vulkan 1.0 API ... And the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 of the yotaphone is too old to have this support ... so ... Nougat probably never come on yotaphone 2 .... :'(

xNiux said:
Android 7 Nougat need a SoC compatible with Vulkan 1.0 API ... And the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 of the yotaphone is too old to have this support ... so ... Nougat probably never come on yotaphone 2 .... :'(
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Nougat has been ported on various purportedly unsupported devices, Legacy OS is a good example of such endeavours. Even Sony released an extensively functional iteration of Nougat for Xperia Z3 series.
The issues are rather about Google and its policies about Android. An official release of Nougat needs the hardware to pass Android Compatibility Definition Document (CDD) and Compatibility Test Suite (CTS) and mandates hardware-backed full-disk encryption even at file level. Ignoring these prerequisites will definitely invite legal issues if not performance issues to begin with.

I think that A 7.0 isn't as needed as more optimized A 6.0.1 for example EPD screen and battery life as 4.4 and 5.0 have etc.

Nobody dares to test it?

Tippfehler said:
Nobody dares to test it?
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Porting an unsupported OS requires extensive dev support, which is withering away owing to the unpopular status of the device and its age.

glasseffects said:
Porting an unsupported OS requires extensive dev support, which is withering away owing to the unpopular status of the device and its age.
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I thought it's done:
http://nougat-central.org/rom-download/yota-yotaphone-2

Tippfehler said:
I thought it's done:
http://nougat-central.org/rom-download/yota-yotaphone-2
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No, with every release of new Android version begins the proliferation of spam sites that claim to offer the latest version of the OS for virtually any device. These sites usually have the name of the OS in its address. They're nothing more than click-baits. If there was such a thing for Yotaphone, it would be either on 4PDA or XDA or any other reputed site.

It's a fake site, don't try!

Project Treble

Will Mi A1 get project treble with oreo update?

what is that?

I hope YES...

mahla13 said:
what is that?
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The Android 8.0 release includes Project Treble, a major re-architect of the Android OS framework designed to make it easier, faster, and less costly for manufacturers to update devices to a new version of Android. Treble is for all new devices launching with Android 8.0 and beyond (the new architecture is already running on the Developer Preview for Pixel phones).Project Treble separates the vendor implementation (device-specific, lower-level software written by silicon manufacturers) from the Android OS framework via a new vendor interface.
In Android 7.x and earlier, no formal vendor interface exists so device makers must update large portions of the Android code to move a device to a newer version of Android.

But as far as I know project treble is only useful if they are using a custom UI like MIUI, Flyme or Touchwiz. Isn't it treble superfluous without a custom UI?

Localhorst86 said:
But as far as I know project treble is only useful if they are using a custom UI like MIUI, Flyme or Touchwiz. Isn't it treble superfluous without a custom UI?
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There are some little things, like Xiaomi's camera app. With treble Google could update the OS directly, and Xiaomi could update camera separately.
Am I right? It's more a question than an affirmation

Mendibil said:
There are some little things, like Xiaomi's camera app. With treble Google could update the OS directly, and Xiaomi could update camera separately.
Am I right? It's more a question than an affirmation
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I don't know. But I imagine Xiaomi could simply realease and update the camera app through the play store. Blackberry does this with it's core apps which can only be installed on blackberry devices.

Localhorst86 said:
I don't know. But I imagine Xiaomi could simply realease and update the camera app through the play store. Blackberry does this with it's core apps which can only be installed on blackberry devices.
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True. Motorola used to do the same (I don't know if actually does). Maybe Treble it's not that important for us, Android One users.

While Treble is focused on official Android OEMs, Project Treble should also be revolutionary for aftermarket Android ROM projects

https://www.xda-developers.com/why-current-oneplus-nokia-phones-wont-be-project-treble-certified/
We have /system/vendor....
But on the other hand, we have dual partitions, so maybe they dare to repartition. The beta will be out soon, so we will see.

More details about project treble https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/android-8-0-oreo-thoroughly-reviewed/2/#h1

so, any update about this as Beta is released in Mi a1. Did anyone find anything?

I can't find the link anymore, but I've had people test it on Oreo firmware and it was confirmed not to have Treble.

Unfortunately we will not

Until we don't get 4.4.x kernel, we won't get project Trebel. I've never seen a SD625 phone running the 4.4.x kernel so we should blame Qualcomm instead of Xiaomi (tested on a Moto G5 Plus).

Let's port Treble

It would be very nice if someone could bring compatibility to proyect treble for our device, we have the required things for bring it
https://github.com/dianlujitao/android_kernel_xiaomi_sdm660/tree/lineage-15.1 (8.1.0 KERNEL BOOTING)
https://github.com/phhusson?tab=repositories (LOT OF DOCUMENTATION OF TREBLE)
I would try myself but I don't know how to do that so if any developer know how to do it and can do it please work on it. With this we could boot generic aosp img and the development and rom choose would be bigher
Thanks a lot and let's start the discussion

that would be very nice.. or get lineageos 15.1 fully working..

LOS 15 will be available after O based Miui, so calm for a bit

AL_IRAQI said:
LOS 15 will be available after O based Miui, so calm for a bit
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This Mi Note 3 has very good potential. Camera and harware with this kind pricepoint. So hope development goes forward lot!

AL_IRAQI said:
LOS 15 will be available after O based Miui, so calm for a bit
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With this speed Xiaomi got for Note 3 this'll take an eternity.

omercicek43 said:
With this speed Xiaomi got for Note 3 this'll take an eternity.
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Actually he already got it working, just waiting for O blobs to fix cam

AL_IRAQI said:
Actually he already got it working, just waiting for O blobs to fix cam
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I'll try, too, if needed.

omercicek43 said:
I'll try, too, if needed.
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he wont share it, we have to wait

AL_IRAQI said:
he wont share it, we have to wait
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What exactly is this btw?

omercicek43 said:
What exactly is this btw?
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LOS 15.1

What do you think are the chances of this device getting support for Project Treble in the future, either from an official implementation with the MIUI 9.5 update or unofficial community port? I'm on the verge of purchasing this device but the lack of Treble is the only thing holding me back at the moment. Treble will be revolutionary for custom ROM support in 2018 and so it wouldn't make sense for a flashaholic like myself to purchase a device without it.

I already bought the device, but I would really like treble support for this phone

we have to get O first, so calm down for a bit
have a nice day

AL_IRAQI said:
we have to get O first, so calm down for a bit
have a nice day
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Fair enough. I'm just unsure what to do at the moment because I want to buy this phone but don't want to invest in something that won't receive Treble support in a few months time. Maybe I should just wait and see what the Mi7 has to offer, as that will come with Oreo pre-installed like the Mi MIX 2S. Hopefully it won't come with a notch.

P650SE said:
Fair enough. I'm just unsure what to do at the moment because I want to buy this phone but don't want to invest in something that won't receive Treble support in a few months time. Maybe I should just wait and see what the Mi7 has to offer, as that will come with Oreo pre-installed like the Mi MIX 2S. Hopefully it won't come with a notch.
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Why do you care about treble so much for a device that already has AOSP support ?, N Based ROMs are fully stable-ish at this point, O based ROMs will follow after Miui O update, so treble wont do that much for us
but if you end up getting Mix 2S or any other device with treble support, you dont have to wait for devs to support to your phone, just unlock & flash GSI builds, Treble is still a hit or miss follow Honor/Huawei devices forums for more info's

AL_IRAQI said:
Why do you care about treble so much for a device that already has AOSP support ?, N Based ROMs are fully stable-ish at this point, O based ROMs will follow after Miui O update, so treble wont do that much for us
but if you end up getting Mix 2S or any other device with treble support, you dont have to wait for devs to support to your phone, just unlock & flash GSI builds, Treble is still a hit or miss follow Honor/Huawei devices forums for more info's
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Thanks. I was interested in Treble mainly because it would allow flashing Treble-based ROMs that could be installed on any device. When Android P comes around it would mean getting it a lot quicker than if the phone did not have support for Project Treble. Still, it's good to know that all the currently available ROMs for the Mi Note 3 are stable and Oreo ROMs will be coming shortly. It looks like Oreo is scheduled for mid-April so there isn't too much longer to wait.

I cannot wait to see treble ported for our mi note 3

I'm starting to think xiaomi won't release an Oreo MIUI for Mi Note 3. If that's the case, will we be forever stuck in nougat? I thought if our device get treble supports, upgrades to later Android Versions (P, Q, and so on) will be assured. But it's like hoping for an Oreo ROM is already too much

Hey,Can anyone please guide me how to build an Oxygen OS for the Mi Note 3?It would be of great help... regards

AL_IRAQI said:
Why do you care about treble so much for a device that already has AOSP support ?, N Based ROMs are fully stable-ish at this point, O based ROMs will follow after Miui O update, so treble wont do that much for us
but if you end up getting Mix 2S or any other device with treble support, you dont have to wait for devs to support to your phone, just unlock & flash GSI builds, Treble is still a hit or miss follow Honor/Huawei devices forums for more info's
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Ppl here about project treble because with it, you can get faster android upgrades and custom ROMS on Pie or oreo

[Discussion] How long until we start seeing Project Treble ports of Android P?

Seeing as the first Android P Preview came out today, I'm wondering what (and how long) it would take to port it to Project Treble compatible devices.

Considering it is closed source, hard to say...
Though many people are on this.

phhusson said:
Considering it is closed source, hard to say...
Though many people are on this.
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Nice to know!

When the source code is usually released? With the official release of the new Android version? In this case we should wait September 2018 for android P...

Can't we just flash GSI of already released pixel images?

espireso said:
Can't we just flash GSI of already released pixel images?
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Released images are not GSI.

phhusson said:
Released images are not GSI.
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I've learned it from the hard way. I extracted system.img out of newly released pixel.zip. It didn't boot ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

phhusson said:
Considering it is closed source, hard to say...
Though many people are on this.
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does it always go open source only after all dp r released and stable is out?

zohaibahd said:
does it always go open source only after all dp r released and stable is out?
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Yes

I too have a question. what if the manufacturer no longer updates their device to android P but the device is trebled supported on Android O. will the devs still can update the device to android P and so on?
Because on not trebled enabled devices still getting the latest OS thru custom roms and powered also by snapdragon SoC.

If we gotta wait until the source is released then what's the point of project treble compared to the usual custom rom developement process ? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't treble supposed to allow any device that got a vendor partition to boot any system partition regadless of the hardware used by the given device ?

If I'm not mistaken:
Treble allows for a generic system image to be used. The Android P developer previews are very likely not GSIs: they target a particular vendor configuration. (I wouldn't be surprised to find that they include an updated vendor partition to go along with them.)
A GSI doesn't target a particular device, it targets only the known services specified by a particular release of Android - an Android GSI could theoretically target any specified vendor interface, be it 8.0, 8.1, 9.0, or whatever future interface appears, or even multiple if someone wanted to put in the effort.
That doesn't get past the fact that there is no source for Android P yet, so a GSI can't really be built for it. And the vendor interface doesn't mean that any image will boot on any device - maybe one that depends on a strict subset of what's provided in the vendor interface on a particular device, but I wouldn't be able to grab a Pixel image and load it on a Galaxy S9 or Mate 10 Pro, or otherwise for any mix of devices. They all have dependencies on vendor-specific pieces in their vendor partition, at the very least; there's also /product, /oem, and /odm on the Mate 9, which is also depended upon by it's system.img. A GSI can't depend on the existence of those things, an OEM image can.
Maybe, with a fair bit of work, someone could rip apart the Pixel system image and make a GSI out of it, but P would probably be out before that made significant headway into making it a GSI.

irony_delerium said:
If I'm not mistaken:
Treble allows for a generic system image to be used. The Android P developer previews are very likely not GSIs: they target a particular vendor configuration. (I wouldn't be surprised to find that they include an updated vendor partition to go along with them.)
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Yup, vendor partition has been updated.
And all your explanation is correct

Are GSIs for future versions of Android going to be released by Google or some other official entity? I thought this was the whole point of Project Treble :|

bemymonkey said:
Are GSIs for future versions of Android going to be released by Google or some other official entity? I thought this was the whole point of Project Treble :|
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Google does make GSIs available to oems for testing (cts/vts) -- you can find evidence of this in the android-vts google group. I suppose they could make those publicly available, but if they are just stock aosp (with no google apps) they probably don't want to do that yet.
GSIs are a nice outcome of Treble, but that wasn't the main goal.
There is a really good podcast discussing what Treble is over at Android Developers Backstage (episode 75).

Yall need to seriously learn to chill out and enjoy what you have for a second, for real. The P preview is exactly what it is and has always been...a PREVIEW. Just like before when it was only available to nexus devices, it's the same for pixel. Plus, it's highly unstable and buggy as hell right now, and like most previews before this one, a lot of the features will be removed and more added in as time goes.
And to answer your question, ge-n, about what the difference is, it's not an instant invitation to see what Google releases as a preview. For us, our greatest advantage is if you're running a S9 per say (bloated to hell and grossified by their "Samsung experience" aka former TouchWiz) you can get a more stock version if you'd like.

It seems like there's been some movement on this...

How long will we get Stable Treble rom?

MAH35H said:
How long will we get Stable Treble rom?
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As long as it takes you to develop one.

Will be interesting to see how the P beta program is distributed since it's a lot of treble devices that's getting it now!