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Camera is quite capable, the MIUI camera is the weak link.

Here's some shots taken with a 3rd party app called Snap Camera. Enjoy!

Hmm limited file size attachments. Here are links to the originals!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx_9X4Ugo_yaUWZvek1BM1R0TUU/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx_9X4Ugo_yaMkx3VnFDYkoyYXM/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx_9X4Ugo_yaTGgxTVU4QXVGWjA/view?usp=drivesdk

I put Google camera and open camera on mine and while they seem better both are somewhat slow to auto focus and snap oic. For a camera on phone to me that quick snap is important. May try the one you mentioned to see if better.
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SWBgHz said:
I put Google camera and open camera on mine and while they seem better both are somewhat slow to auto focus and snap oic. For a camera on phone to me that quick snap is important. May try the one you mentioned to see if better.
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It has zero shutter lag, instant photos, really recommend it. Let me know if you want my settings! I'm not 100% sure but It may be a paid app, i think i'd purchased it sometime in the past.
Edit - Tried Open Camera - not very good output, couldn't get Google Camera to work for some reason.. Snap Camera is definitely the best I've seen so far.

Paulrgod,
Thank you so much for this post. What a difference snap makes. No focus breathing and stabilization built in. Huge win as the camera is so important to me as it is my daily picture taker for my family and the biggest concern for this phone...but not any more.
Thanks again!

No problem, happy to help.
I took some photos of my son playing in the living room the other day and it was awful, unacceptable quality really.
So I decided to see if any other apps would make a difference. The quality of the photos I posted above were better quality than comparison shots I took on my Note 5!
Still struggling in low light a bit though, but I've found keeping the ISO in check, set at 400 / 800 the shots are acceptable, but can be difficult getting it to take the shot.

Those shots are extremely noisy, lacking detail and soft ... they just feature heavy post processing (by the app) to make it more attractive to the average punter - saturation, contrast and smoothing. The camera absolutely isn't capable. In fact, many phones of similar price have better selfie sensors than this phone does main camera ...

Well someone's a bit grumpy. Did you click the links to see the full versions? The attachments in the first post are poor due to size rrestrictions. I'm quite happy with them actually.
They came out better than compatible shots taken at the same time on my Note 5.

Kinda hilarious that an app can do a better job than the phone manufacturer's own software.

I tried Snap camera too, but A Better Camera does better in terms of instant focus, or just it seemed to me
3rd party cams also do better in WB and details.

The camera is absolutely horrendous.
I felt like I went back in time to 2009
I've been using the Samsung Note since it first launched.
The note 5 camera is excellent
The mi mix is profusely bad

CorruptedSanity said:
The camera is absolutely horrendous.
I felt like I went back in time to 2009
I've been using the Samsung Note since it first launched.
The note 5 camera is excellent
The mi mix is profusely bad
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It's a matter of perspective. I too ha a note 5 and yes, it's one of the best phone camera's, as well documented through the year the note 5 has been on the market. So, by that logic, nearly every other phone camera will be disappointing.
However, from my unscientific observation of the note 5, Mi Max (not Mi Mix) and Lenovo Phab 2 Pro, the Mix is better than the Max or Phab 2 Pro. Focus and processing is faster and moving targets can be captured with some resemblance to the image photographed.
Could be the SOC (Max and P2P are SD 652 while Mix is SD 821).
I am enjoying the phone, even though the camera is less than really good. I'm willing to trade the 6.4 inch screen and condensed body for the lesser camera.
Just one man's perspective.

audscott said:
It's a matter of perspective. I too ha a note 5 and yes, it's one of the best phone camera's, as well documented through the year the note 5 has been on the market. So, by that logic, nearly every other phone camera will be disappointing.
However, from my unscientific observation of the note 5, Mi Max (not Mi Mix) and Lenovo Phab 2 Pro, the Mix is better than the Max or Phab 2 Pro. Focus and processing is faster and moving targets can be captured with some resemblance to the image photographed.
Could be the SOC (Max and P2P are SD 652 while Mix is SD 821).
I am enjoying the phone, even though the camera is less than really good. I'm willing to trade the 6.4 inch screen and condensed body for the lesser camera.
Just one man's perspective.
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Couldn't agree more on the bolded part as an owner of the Note 5 and returned the Phab 2 Pro after less than a week of ownership. Phab 2 Pro could of been a nice phone if they didn't cut corners in certain areas. Then again its all subjective to ones opinion.
Regarding the camera, wished it was as good as Samsung phones but I've used the 6.4" screen more than I've taken pictures so I'm ok with the traded of.

Do you know if this 3rd parry camera is actually capturing a photo and processing it? Or just basically screenshoting the image on the screen like SnapChat does...
Also does it have HDR?

VeryCoolAlan said:
Do you know if this 3rd parry camera is actually capturing a photo and processing it? Or just basically screenshoting the image on the screen like SnapChat does...
Also does it have HDR?
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Definitely Capturing and processing the image. Yes it does HDR - of which you can customise a hell of a lot - exposure values, delays between shots etc..
I've never seen a camera app with as many settings as this actually.

I do photography as a serious hobby.
Mix camera has its strength and weakness. (Native app)
The colour balance is quite accurate most of the time but it definitely love to over saturate.
The auto focus is snappy enough.
The auto exposure is surprisingly good as well.
The low light is terrible but ALL phone sucks at it.
HDR works and they keep the effect to the lower end which I like. While pixel has super good HDR results, sometimes the effect is way over used.
I really like the sharpening level they choose. It feel just right (More on the soft side)
Overall I would say the biggest flaw is that it's unreliable. Occasionally the colours are just way over saturated, but hey that's why I have a camera

To anyone that is rooted and has enabled the Camera2 API (adding persist.camera.HAL3.enabled=1 to build.prop), give ProShot by Rise Up Games a try. Manual Camera by Geeky Devs Studio doesn't work when I mess with the shutter speed or ISO setting but ProShot does. Now both of these are paid but I'm sure you have Play Reward credit spare

I waited for MIUI 9 to see if it would bring an improvement in the camera application but now that I have it, I don't see any improvement. So I decided for now to use Snap Camera. Can someone tell me what would be the best settings to use Snap Camera in the MIX?

Is the Snap Camera app, better then the Google Camera app downloaded from the Oneplus 5 thread?

HTC U11 versus HTC U11+ camera comparison

Here's my side-by-side camera comparison between the HTC U11 and the U11+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzo5AbN0Iyg&feature=youtu.be
Full resolution images for those who enjoy pixel peeping
https://goo.gl/UNhUoZ

nickmgray said:
Here's my side-by-side camera comparison between the HTC U11 and the U11+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzo5AbN0Iyg&feature=youtu.be
Full resolution images for those who enjoy pixel peeping
https://goo.gl/UNhUoZ
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you are the High Tech Traveler?

TheEndHK said:
you are the High Tech Traveler?
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"Hi guys I'm Nick Gray" should confirm that one.
More seriously I would be curious to see if the experience would be the same if you had the camera.apk from the U11+ (as Leedroid does)

Thanks Nick for your reviews

If anyone has any questions, please let me know. Working on more videos for the next few days. Pixel 2 photo comparison in the works for tomorrow.

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If anyone has any questions, please let me know. Working on more videos for the next few days. Pixel 2 photo comparison in the works for tomorrow.
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Oh good. I've watched many of your reviews on youtube.
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Electronic Punk said:
"Hi guys I'm Nick Gray" should confirm that one.
More seriously I would be curious to see if the experience would be the same if you had the camera.apk from the U11+ (as Leedroid does)
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It won't be the same bcoz U11+ is running with Android Oreo with new camera driver, not only the camera.apk got updated.

Love your reviews!
I' overlapped some of your photos and IMO u11+ is a bit sharper =)

I've also checked the U11+ vs. Pixel 2 video and downloaded the original size of photo. If you view the photo on a large computer monitor, you will find that Pixel 2 HDR+ isn't real better than U11/U11+ in all conditions.
U11/U11+ auto HDR+ will try to keep the black level and tend to reflect the real lighting environment. The google HDR+ will just bump the dynamic range and bright up the photo though it is real eye catching but not realistic in some scenes. The same result been found when I'm using the ported pixel2 gcam on my U11. I'll call both HTC and Google HDR+ is 50/50, in day light I more prefer HTC HDR and only use Google HDR in real low light. I recommend to buy U11/U11+ bcoz we can use both HTC HDR and Google HDR and in HTC pro mode, you can adjust many settings which the Pixel 2 won't give you access to it.
I real like the Pixel 2 mainly bcoz the 5" smaller in size and will get a camera upgrade later when the google image chip being active. During video recording, Pixel2 EIS+OIS is real nice but U11/U11+ got four microphones just blow the Pixel 2 away when it comes to the audio quality, nowhere near the U11/U11+ level.

nickmgray said:
If anyone has any questions, please let me know. Working on more videos for the next few days. Pixel 2 photo comparison in the works for tomorrow.
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would be really good if you could do an audio review on the dongles (HTC U11+ dongle vs Pixel 2 dongle).

Could anybody notice significant improvement in camera on U11+ over regular U11?
And off-topic since you already own an HTC U11+, is there a significant improvement in battery department? I would be interested in your average SOT.
Thanks in advance!

catalindobre said:
Could anybody notice significant improvement in camera on U11+ over regular U11?
And off-topic since you already own an HTC U11+, is there a significant improvement in battery department? I would be interested in your average SOT.
Thanks in advance!
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One of the review from HK said that the U11+ camera got a noticeable improved focus but I think after our U11 updated to 8.0 will get the same improvement too.

I like the pictures on the u11+ better, they look contrast-richer and also it looks liek the camera is able to focus better, you can see that some of the u11's pictures look a bit blrry in comparison to the ones on the u11+, hopefully HTC will issue a camera update for the u11 as well, one can only hope! :fingers-crossed:

Big thanks to Nick for perfect reviews. I am really starting to want U11+ . U11 and U11+ Camera looks to me same.

bigworldcz said:
Big thanks to Nick for perfect reviews. I am really starting to want U11+ . U11 and U11+ Camera looks to me same.
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Yes, same sensor, same processor, same algorithm with same OS

FIRST OnePlus 5T camera review by heise.de

https://m.heise.de/ct/artikel/OnePlus-5T-Keine-Zoom-Kamera-mehr-3887487.html
Heise.de is one very serious german tech site and they say that since other sites already broke the NDA they dont feel obliged to hold information back.
To make it short: camera does not get better, low light performance gets even worse.
Long version: The camera setup (still WITHOUT OIS!) will be 16+20 mp again BUT the 20 mp sensor this time won't work as telephoto lens. Also aperture changes from f/2.6 to also f/1.7 like the 16 mp main snapper. Pixel size of the 20 mp sensor stays at 1.0 um. This sensor will, despite its crazily small pixel size, automatically work as low light shooter when light levels drop below 3.5 lux, making pictures look even worse than with the 16 mp sensor.
The Software does NOT use both sensors to combine the picture information like it is the case for other phones. Thus, picture quality does not seem to improve compared to the OP 5.
My comment: This really doesnt seem to make any sense. Why not put in a sensor with bigger pixels if you want a lowlight specific unit? Why take one with even smaller pixels? Wtf!? Did they have too many of those crappy 20mp sensor left over? Or why not at least use both sensors to combine the two die pics? Or why not just use the fabulous sensor that the s8/pixel2 uses and put an OIS in it? This is so stupid oneplus, i just dont get it..
Furthermore: Usb will again be 2.0.
2015 all over again..
Also, unlike the introductionary text of this forum suggests, battery will be the same as the OP5, 3300 mah. Thus, endurance will be lower compared to the 5.
And the device will also feature face recognition to unlock.
What do you think?

This is kinda disappointing. I was kinda missing my OnePlus 5 going to the pixel 2xl because I really loved the feel and everything on the o5. I was also thinking I should have waited on the 5t and hope they made some small improvements to the camera. This seems like a bit if a downgrade. Battery life will still be really good but slightly worse. I don't see why they couldn't have fitted in a slightly larger battery

Finally get to review it
Finally got my new glasses and can check all of the new great features With these phones. It has been a while since I bought a smart phoneBut the one plus is something that I there are just way too expensive.

I wonder if it possible cross-device ROMs between OnePlus 5 & 5T.

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I wonder if it possible cross-device ROMs between OnePlus 5 & 5T.
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I think it will be possible. Since the changes are similar like 3 and 3t. Lets see

yeah, for me the missing ois is a deal breaker. I planned to upgrade from my op3t but now i will keep it. Hopefully they will learn from it and add a camera with ois for the 6

GSMArena have some shots in their hands-on here.
If you zoom in and look at what it's done to the foliage in the first 2 shots you might wish you hadn't. This would be considered poor in a low-light shot, never mind outdoor daylight. I just hope that this is pre-pre-production software that they stupidly gave to a reviewer and not what they are planning on selling.

Maybe anybody has a acutal review of the camera of the Oppo R11s?
It should have the same camera configuration and software "magic".
Results should be an indication for the possible camera performance of the OP5T.
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GSMArena have some shots in their hands-on here.
If you zoom in and look at what it's done to the foliage in the first 2 shots you might wish you hadn't. This would be considered poor in a low-light shot, never mind outdoor daylight. I just hope that this is pre-pre-production software that they stupidly gave to a reviewer and not what they are planning on selling.
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Interesting. GSMarena comments on the lowlight pictures:
"We also went out for some night shots around the usual locations. We won't be passing any verdicts just yet, but the results look promising."

When they said the second camera would have f1.7 aperture (without probably mentioning the pixel size) I thought they would do something special to combine the result of both cameras and create nice pictures. I didn't expect that they only would use one of them....
OnePlus clearly doesn't know much about software photography, but they know a lot about marketing...

Furthermore: Usb will again be 2.0.
2015 all over again..
Seriously brah?

Also, unlike the introductionary text of this forum suggests, battery will be the same as the OP5, 3300 mah. Thus, endurance will be lower compared to the 5.
And the device will also feature face recognition to unlock.
What do you think?
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Well, the screen says 6.0 VS 5.5 But it's taller but thinner side to side. The total screen area should be the same or very close. I doubt enough to affect battery in any significant way. It's also a newer panel, so possibly more efficient than the old 5.5 which was a carryover from the previous OP.

The screen is not narrower but a lot longer so the real estate is quite bigger.
Its 136x68mm vs 122x68mm.

A few sites have mentioned the camera is a bit lackluster, but until we can get a good comparison between the 5 and 5T I'm not sure how to take these comments.
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Camera will be more powerfull if you install Google camera.

Martin.077 said:
Camera will be more powerfull if you install Google camera.
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i feel so too, on the op5 the difference is huge in low light conditions with the hdr+

Unfortunately there isnt a port that works properly. Either no touch to focus or other drawbacks

Lasersdude said:
Unfortunately there isnt a port that works properly. Either no touch to focus or other drawbacks
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And the microdots. It was too much of a hack for something I need to be reliable at least IMO.
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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ding-combination-of-specs-design-and-price/2/
https://m.gsmarena.com/oneplus_5t-review-1687p8.php
mario toys on arstech and low light comparison on gsm
5t looks better than 5 there

FridrufHau said:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ding-combination-of-specs-design-and-price/2/
https://m.gsmarena.com/oneplus_5t-review-1687p8.php
mario toys on arstech and low light comparison on gsm
5t looks better than 5 there
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It is still producing oil paintings in daylight though.
Mind boggling that this is still not fixed! The sensor is capable to produce better photos but the processing...
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/op5T-2.jpg
This issue is soo old by now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbn9Lj6F6EM
Someone needs to tell OnePlus that a little noise doesn't hurt as long as the photos come out sharp!

AcmE85 said:
This issue is soo old by now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbn9Lj6F6EM
Someone needs to tell OnePlus that a little noise doesn't hurt as long as the photos come out sharp!
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Ok so moving is never sharp, although with other camera apps?

camera pics vs pixel 2 xl

So I got a crazy deal on a pixel 2 xl off Craigslist and have been comparing the two phones all weekend. I gotta say I was expecting the pixel too be much better. While it is smoother, but not by much, I'm shocked at how close the cameras are!! I've taken multiple pics and asked my wife to tell me which ones look better. I'd say 6 out of 10 times she picks the essential!! She's even notes that the screen looks better on the ph1.
The first pic is with the essential, portrait mode vs pixel 2 portrait mode.

The pixel and pixel 2 line shines when it comes to low lighting condition. Also video recording using EIS is amazing compared to zero in the essential. Hopefully they enable it soon!

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The pixel and pixel 2 line shines when it comes to low lighting condition. Also video recording using EIS is amazing compared to zero in the essential. Hopefully they enable it soon!
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I don't recorded too many videos, mainly use my phone for pics. The sample I posted was in low light and I think the essential pic def looks better.
I know overall when you get crazy into the specs etc the pixel cameras are better. But my point is that they're really close in most cases, sometimes ph1 is better and sometimes the pixel is.
Just wanted to post something since the camera updates cause that's where this phone really gets beat up and I think that's not the case anymore!!!

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I don't recorded too many videos, mainly use my phone for pics. The sample I posted was in low light and I think the essential pic def looks better.
I know overall when you get crazy into the specs etc the pixel cameras are better. But my point is that they're really close in most cases, sometimes ph1 is better and sometimes the pixel is.
Just wanted to post something since the camera updates cause that's where this phone really gets beat up and I think that's not the case anymore!!!
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Oh I totally agreed, the camera is much better now. However, in real low light such as 2700k floor lamp, or night stand light, it struggles horribly and the pics are washed out, and some times have red tint to it. I would upload pics but I am kinda lazy heheh. Will try to post pics later, but I did a huge comparison between gcam hdr+ modes on reddit if u wanna go to see it.

Why you shouldn't use the new panorama UI (gcam6.1)

Currently I am on vacation and used the new panorama function a lot.
Sadly when editing the images I noticed that they have a very low resolution compared to the "old" photo sphere modes.
So if you care for high amount of detail in your panoramas never ever use the new panorama UI.
It just creates VR shots.
Since I learned the hard way, by wasting my time and a lot of beautiful shots, I wanted others to be aware of that.
Kind regards,
Reawo

reawo said:
Currently I am on vacation and used the new panorama function a lot.
Sadly when editing the images I noticed that they have a very low resolution compared to the "old" photo sphere modes.
So if you care for high amount of detail in your panoramas never ever use the new panorama UI.
It just creates VR shots.
Since I learned the hard way, by wasting my time and a lot of beautiful shots, I wanted others to be aware of that.
Kind regards,
Reawo
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Wow. You're totally right! Super low resolution and there's no option to adjust like before. Hope they add a toggle or something to choose VR photo or Panorama.
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It's not only the Panorama it's most pictures taken are less quality compared to the old app, I went back to the stock app after updating

Sab3elbromba said:
It's not only the Panorama it's most pictures taken are less quality compared to the old app, I went back to the stock app after updating
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I don't know about that. Regular pics look good to me and Max even points out some ever so slightly less grain in low light shots:
https://youtu.be/dYc4liPOYeQ
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EeZeEpEe said:
I don't know about that. Regular pics look good to me and Max even points out some ever so slightly less grain in low light shots:
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Yup i can see the difference i took a pic in low light with pixel 2 xl and pixel 2 running pixel 3 camera i could notice the difference
Plus portrait mode in low light was way better on pixel 3 camera
Cheers ?
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