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Idol 3 4.7 now available

http://www.alcatelonetouch.us/ALCATEL-ONETOUCH-4-7-inch-SMARTPHONE-Unlocked/dp/B0118EWIXS
Got this twitter spam today.

Yeah, keeping an eye on this as it's a more one-handed friendly size than the 5.5" model. The only concern for me is whether they'll update it to M (or 5.1.1 at the very least).

m only concern is that multi 2 points touch screen, it is not just a smaller screen of its bigger brother.

I'm looking forward to this release. Not really liking all the hype of the devices with 5+ inch screens.
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Only thing that sucks is the other specs are smaller too. Someone at work was looking for a smaller phone than 5.5 too.

I think it's overpriced for what you get, I'd rather go moto g 2015.

3dupunk said:
I think it's overpriced for what you get, I'd rather go moto g 2015.
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Moto G only has 1GB RAM/8GB storage for the US$180 model. This has 1.5GB RAM/16GB storage for the same price. Both use a Snapdragon 410.
You have to go up to the US$220 Moto G to get 2GB RAM/16GB storage.

thedosbox said:
Moto G only has 1GB RAM/8GB storage for the US$180 model. This has 1.5GB RAM/16GB storage for the same price. Both use a Snapdragon 410.
You have to go up to the US$220 Moto G to get 2GB RAM/16GB storage.
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For $40 more you get waterproofing, better build, gorilla glass 3, half a gb more of ram, probably better dev support and Motorola's android skin which is usually very good. Money well spent if you ask me. I wouldn't even consider the $180 moto g, 8gb just isn't enough imo but if I wanted a smaller phone than the 5.5 i3 I'd go moto g for the reasons I mentioned.

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For $40 more you get waterproofing, better build, gorilla glass 3, half a gb more of ram, probably better dev support and Motorola's android skin which is usually very good. Money well spent if you ask me. I wouldn't even consider the $180 moto g, 8gb just isn't enough imo but if I wanted a smaller phone than the 5.5 i3 I'd go moto g for the reasons I mentioned.
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Not sure why you think Moto has an android "skin", as it's pretty much stock with the addition of a couple of apps (I have an OG Moto X).
Having said that, some people are very price sensitive and @ US$180, the 4.7 Icon would be the better deal. Also, the 1GB/8GB Moto G is the only version sold in Canada - so it's not as if we have the option of getting the 2GB/16GB version.
US$220 is still a good deal for a new phone, but it's edging into OnePlus One territory on swappa.

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Not sure why you think Moto has an android "skin", as it's pretty much stock with the addition of a couple of apps (I have an OG Moto X).
Having said that, some people are very price sensitive and @ US$180, the 4.7 Icon would be the better deal. Also, the 1GB/8GB Moto G is the only version sold in Canada - so it's not as if we have the option of getting the 2GB/16GB version.
US$220 is still a good deal for a new phone, but it's edging into OnePlus One territory on swappa.
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Moto uses an android skin however light it may be, it's there. Moto is one of the better companies in this regard as most of their work is done in the background and the end user doesn't even realize it.
I can understand that some may not be able to spend more or just don't want to, that's a personal preference and that's why I said I would rather get the moto g 2015 if I wanted a smaller phone in the same price range rather than the 5.5 i3. As far as the moto g 2gb version not being available in canada, I didn't know that but I honestly wasn't thinking about those abroad when I wrote my comment.
The price for the I3 5.5 is in the opo price range new and I still chose the i3 and zf2 over it. Imho the moto g and the 4.7 i3 appeal more so to people who are looking for smaller phones so that knocks the opo out of contention. Also, at least here in the states I would add the LG g2 to the list, which can be had for $150 and has better specs.

Just returned my Moto G 2/16 gb since I bought the Idol 3 4.7. Had it since the 11th. The Moto G has no NFC or Gyroscope. Cameras are comparable. After taxes the Idol 3 is $50 cheaper. It comes with headphones. Better Speakers, display, cheaper, and without the missing features.

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Just returned my Moto G 2/16 gb since I bought the Idol 3 4.7. Had it since the 11th. The Moto G has no NFC or Gyroscope. Cameras are comparable. After taxes the Idol 3 is $50 cheaper. It comes with headphones. Better Speakers, display, cheaper, and without the missing features.
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I'm thinking of doing the same with my 1/8gb. My main concern is battery life and I see the 4.7 has smaller battery?

ygb said:
I'm thinking of doing the same with my 1/8gb. My main concern is battery life and I see the 4.7 has smaller battery?
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I wouldn't worry about battery life. 4-6 screen on easily and it charges faster than the G especially using quick charger, though it doesn't really support it. I get like 1% a minute.

Also someone from android central forums stated that the idol 3 has the ability to wake up from off using alarm. I verified it and it's awesome. Such an old school feature that no one does anymore.

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Just returned my Moto G 2/16 gb since I bought the Idol 3 4.7. Had it since the 11th. The Moto G has no NFC or Gyroscope. Cameras are comparable. After taxes the Idol 3 is $50 cheaper. It comes with headphones. Better Speakers, display, cheaper, and without the missing features.
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What didn't you like about the moto g other than the lack of nfc and gyroscope? I'm thinking to get thisor the moto g. My 4gb zf2 is nice, but that dim screen is killing me outside. My other concern is hows the perfomace of the idol3? Feeling any lag? Also not so sure about the multi touch screen. I mean 2 points....come on.

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What didn't you like about the moto g other than the lack of nfc and gyroscope? I'm thinking to get thisor the moto g. My 4gb zf2 is nice, but that dim screen is killing me outside. My other concern is hows the perfomace of the idol3? Feeling any lag? Also not so sure about the multi touch screen. I mean 2 points....come on.
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The screen on the Moto G was washed out. Kind of bothered me. Idol 3s screen is better and brighter. No real lag. It is a great well rounded phone especially for the price. As far as multi touch points, I've gotten 5 with this app.

How about the visibility of the idol 4. 7 outside directly under the sun? This is what bothers me the most, I can't see anything outside on my zf2 when is nice and sunny.

I have the 5.5 idol 3 and the screen reaches over 600 nits outside and has excellent contrast. Cannot say about 4.7 model.
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jdaclutch said:
How about the visibility of the idol 4. 7 outside directly under the sun? This is what bothers me the most, I can't see anything outside on my zf2 when is nice and sunny.
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It will be brighter than the zf2.

3dupunk said:
I can understand that some may not be able to spend more or just don't want to, that's a personal preference and that's why I said I would rather get the moto g 2015 if I wanted a smaller phone in the same price range rather than the 5.5 i3. As far as the moto g 2gb version not being available in canada, I didn't know that but I honestly wasn't thinking about those abroad when I wrote my comment.
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So what you're really saying is that you wouldn't buy a US$180 phone? Cool, everyone has different priorities.
So why state that the 4.7 is a worse deal than it's competition at the same price?
The price for the I3 5.5 is in the opo price range new and I still chose the i3 and zf2 over it. Imho the moto g and the 4.7 i3 appeal more so to people who are looking for smaller phones so that knocks the opo out of contention. Also, at least here in the states I would add the LG g2 to the list, which can be had for $150 and has better specs.
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Yes, paying more gives people more options - that's the point.
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guapinoy said:
Just returned my Moto G 2/16 gb since I bought the Idol 3 4.7. Had it since the 11th. The Moto G has no NFC or Gyroscope. Cameras are comparable. After taxes the Idol 3 is $50 cheaper. It comes with headphones. Better Speakers, display, cheaper, and without the missing features.
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I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on it after you've used it for a few weeks. Any lag/stutter? Does it heat up when navigation is running? Any issues with BT? How's the screen holding up (some phones don't have a very good oleophobic coating)?

Nexus 5X specs, underwhelmed

I've been using my Galaxy S4 for quite some time now. It's due to be replaced, and I've been following news about the Nexus 5X for a while, very much looking forward to it. And then the official specs came out... 2GB of RAM (same as my over two year old S4), max of 32GB of RAM.
The RAM I could probably live with in reality, but I'm not convinced of the 32GB. I added up the amount of storage I'm using now on my S4 combined internal and micro SD card, and plus the system ROM itself, that is going to add up very close to 32GB. I was really intending my next phone to be a 64GB.
I was hoping to keep something in the same size (closer to 5" than 6") instead of the "phablets". But this kind of threw a kink into those plans. Now I'm wondering if the 6P is actually the direction I go (or possibly a Moto X Pure). But I really don't want a phone that big, nor one that costs that much.
Am I missing something? Are there other smaller devices out there that have good/current generation specs? I was looking forward to the unlocked phone being carrier independent, that really puts a crimp in the options. Am trying to sort out my disappointment. I just feel, I don't know, like this is not at all the device I was hoping for.

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I've been using my Galaxy S4 for quite some time now. It's due to be replaced, and I've been following news about the Nexus 5X for a while, very much looking forward to it. And then the official specs came out... 2GB of RAM (same as my over two year old S4), max of 32GB of RAM.
The RAM I could probably live with in reality, but I'm not convinced of the 32GB. I added up the amount of storage I'm using now on my S4 combined internal and micro SD card, and plus the system ROM itself, that is going to add up very close to 32GB. I was really intending my next phone to be a 64GB.
I was hoping to keep something in the same size (closer to 5" than 6") instead of the "phablets". But this kind of threw a kink into those plans. Now I'm wondering if the 6P is actually the direction I go (or possibly a Moto X Pure). But I really don't want a phone that big, nor one that costs that much.
Am I missing something? Are there other smaller devices out there that have good/current generation specs? I was looking forward to the unlocked phone being carrier independent, that really puts a crimp in the options. Am trying to sort out my disappointment. I just feel, I don't know, like this is not at all the device I was hoping for.
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Sounds like you need Sony Z5 compact. However I will say I love my Moto X pure and once you get used to the size it is not bad. I started out with the S4, then G2 and swore that 5.2 is my limit, then moved to 5.5 and swore that was my limit and now I'm at 5.7 and love it. It is a lot smaller than the 6P so I recommend it

The thing is the 2013 nexus 5 still feels as fast as any phone with google's android. Upping the processor but keeping the resolution means it will be even more capable. I mean it has 1080p but the same processor as the G4 which people feel is a great phone. It is going to run like a dream. I wouldn't be surprised if it outperforms WQHD phones running the 810. Just backup your photos/videos and delete them from the phone once in awhile.

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cabadam said:
I've been using my Galaxy S4 for quite some time now. It's due to be replaced, and I've been following news about the Nexus 5X for a while, very much looking forward to it. And then the official specs came out... 2GB of RAM (same as my over two year old S4), max of 32GB of RAM.
The RAM I could probably live with in reality, but I'm not convinced of the 32GB. I added up the amount of storage I'm using now on my S4 combined internal and micro SD card, and plus the system ROM itself, that is going to add up very close to 32GB. I was really intending my next phone to be a 64GB.
I was hoping to keep something in the same size (closer to 5" than 6") instead of the "phablets". But this kind of threw a kink into those plans. Now I'm wondering if the 6P is actually the direction I go (or possibly a Moto X Pure). But I really don't want a phone that big, nor one that costs that much.
Am I missing something? Are there other smaller devices out there that have good/current generation specs? I was looking forward to the unlocked phone being carrier independent, that really puts a crimp in the options. Am trying to sort out my disappointment. I just feel, I don't know, like this is not at all the device I was hoping for.
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Hey man, I feel your pain. I cancelled my order of the 5X after contemplating for a while. It has the specs of the HTC One M7 I had two years ago. It's just unacceptable. If you're someone who has music stored on your phone, has MANY pictures, this might not be the phone for you. If you stream your music, use google photos (online), then you probably be OK with 32GB. 16GB is just a no no.
Like I told someone else in another thread, make a nandroid backup, have a couple ROMS loaded into your phone, you'll already have your storage full on your 16GB phone lol...
I'm really just going to watch many videos and full reviews of the 5X when the time comes; if I hear great things about it I might consider. Like someone said, I agree with Nexus 5 (2013) phones working great and buttery smooth even til now, so why wouldn't the new one?

joshuadjohnson22 said:
Sounds like you need Sony Z5 compact. However I will say I love my Moto X pure and once you get used to the size it is not bad. I started out with the S4, then G2 and swore that 5.2 is my limit, then moved to 5.5 and swore that was my limit and now I'm at 5.7 and love it. It is a lot smaller than the 6P so I recommend it
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I'll take a look at the Z5, that wasn't on my radar. Thanks for the feedback. And yeah, a couple people at work here are telling me that it is just a matter of getting used to the larger phone, that once I do I won't care anymore. I'm skeptical lol...
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The thing is the 2013 nexus 5 still feels as fast as any phone with google's android. Upping the processor but keeping the resolution means it will be even more capable. I mean it has 1080p but the same processor as the G4 which people feel is a great phone. It is going to run like a dream. I wouldn't be surprised if it outperforms WQHD phones running the 810. Just backup your photos/videos and delete them from the phone once in awhile.
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Yeah, I've definitely heard how well the 2013 Nexus 5 kept up - and I guess that's what I was hoping for in the new phone, but it seems the specs are more oriented to "today", not "tomorrow". I think the processsor is fine, RAM I can live with, but that darn 32GB storage. Yikes.
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Hey man, I feel your pain. I cancelled my order of the 5X after contemplating for a while. It has the specs of the HTC One M7 I had two years ago. It's just unacceptable. If you're someone who has music stored on your phone, has MANY pictures, this might not be the phone for you. If you stream your music, use google photos (online), then you probably be OK with 32GB. 16GB is just a no no.
Like I told someone else in another thread, make a nandroid backup, have a couple ROMS loaded into your phone, you'll already have your storage full on your 16GB phone lol...
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This is the EXACT situation I find myself in on my Galaxy S4. Fortunately because of my SD card, that isn't an issue. Given that the Nexus doesn't offer that, it just seems like the 32GB will fill up very fast. I don't want to move to my new phone and then be fighting storage problems all over again in 6-12 months. Apps, etc are only getting larger and fancier as time goes on.

cant have everything at this price point

jadeddjay said:
cant have everything at this price point
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I'd be perfectly willing to pay for the $50 or whatever to step up from 32GB to 64GB, just like you would typically do. (Well, I still think $50 is overpriced for that, but I'd do it anyway!) But it isn't even an option on the 5X.

cabadam said:
I'd be perfectly willing to pay for the $50 or whatever to step up from 32GB to 64GB, just like you would typically do. (Well, I still think $50 is overpriced for that, but I'd do it anyway!) But it isn't even an option on the 5X.
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well i dont think its that simple. adding one more option adds to the cost of manufacturing and logistics etc which changes their bottom line and marketing tactic or whatever.

I'm more let down by the ram than storage space... 2gb... really? I know my note 4 doesn't have that much more, but my previous phone had 2gb, and I was running low on memory at times.

5X is physically WAY bigger than the LG G2 and there is no wireless charging. 16GB storage with no microSD slot shouldn't exist. This thing is definitely a dud.

I ordered the 32GB version and was annoyed to have to pay $50 extra for it. The 2GB of RAM is beat.

Y'all can't keep comparing an older phone with older processors and operating systems to a newer phone
"I ran out of ram on my 3 year old phone with 2gb of ram blah blah whine whine cry cry"
My newer v6 jeep is faster and more efficient in every way than my old v8 jeep. Same concept. Newer design. Newer technology. Different device.
Between marshmallow, sensor hub, 808 processor, and other newer aspects of the phone. 2gb is fine.
My Nexus 6 running M Preview hasn't used more than 1.4gb ram. And the hardware in the n6 is inferior to the n5x
BEFORE CONTINUING TO CRY ABOUT THE 2GB OF RAM.. PLEASE WAIT TO SEE REAL WORLD RESULTS AND REVIEWS

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Y'all can't keep comparing an older phone with older processors and operating systems to a newer phone
"I ran out of ram on my 3 year old phone with 2gb of ram blah blah whine whine cry cry"
My newer v6 jeep is faster and more efficient in every way than my old v8 jeep. Same concept. Newer design. Newer technology. Different device.
Between marshmallow, sensor hub, 808 processor, and other newer aspects of the phone. 2gb is fine.
My Nexus 6 running M Preview hasn't used more than 1.4gb ram. And the hardware in the n6 is inferior to the n5x
BEFORE CONTINUING TO CRY ABOUT THE 2GB OF RAM.. PLEASE WAIT TO SEE REAL WORLD RESULTS AND REVIEWS
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I'm mostly worried about the max of 32GB storage, not the 2GB of RAM (the RAM is just... annoying).

cabadam said:
I'm mostly worried about the max of 32GB storage, not the 2GB of RAM (the RAM is just... annoying).
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I've personally never ran out of space on a 32gb phone but I can definitely see this as an issue for some. For instance those who nandroid alot and those who store their music locally on their phone. An OTG would be a solution but a hassle to have to constantly plug in when you want to use it.
Personally I'd rather buy an OTG for those cases for super cheap than spend an extra $100 for a higher capacity phone

I was so hoping that Google would put a device that was true to the original nexus roots..I felt so let down by the N6
The specs of the N5X are mediocre at best.
16GB mem?
No wireless charging..c'mon..
Don't get me wrong - you're getting a fair bit for the money but I feel they've let the ball drop in a couple of key areas. Had they included those this phone would have smashed all the others..
6P is just way overpriced - huawei trying to get in at the top end of the market. It wont work.
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d3si said:
I was so hoping that Google would put a device that was true to the original nexus roots..I felt so let down by the N6
The specs of the N5X are mediocre at best.
16GB mem?
No wireless charging..c'mon..
Don't get me wrong - you're getting a fair bit for the money but I feel they've let the ball drop in a couple of key areas. Had they included those this phone would have smashed all the others..
6P is just way overpriced - huawei trying to get in at the top end of the market. It wont work.
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An S810, 3GB of RAM, a top of the line camera, fingerprint sensor, and a full metal design for $499, you think that's overpriced? I'd have to disagree, as most if not all phones boasting the same specs are at least $150 more.
Now onto the 5x, yeah, max 32gb rom is a let down, but at the same time, you can work with it. If it doesn't work for you then this isn't the phone for you (why I ordered the 6p). The more important letdown was the 2gb of ram (the bigger reason for me getting the 6p).
There are plenty of people who cannot and will not fill up a 32gb phone, I see it everyday. Just gotta get the device that's right for you ?

I feel my Nexus 5 is still as fast as the best of them today... which just shows how much technology has plateaued. The 1080p display still wows me compared to other 2K phones, and the processor is still fast to me. I don't think I'm willing to give my storm trooper up just yet... maybe the S7 or Nexus 5X2 will have the 820, 1080p, 4 GB of RAM and an awesome camera for 2016 standards.

After having wireless charging for over 2 years, I've sworn to never buy a phone without it again.
It is a wireless phone!
The only time, and I mean the only time, I plug anything into my phone is when I'm flashing it.
Music? Bluetooth. (Or I use a FiiO)
Hands free? Bluetooth
Charging? The official nexus charger is on the side of my nightstand so I can see the phone if it goes off in the middle of the night, and the standard LG WCP-300 elsewhere.
Synchronizing data? Wifi. This happens automatically every night when I'm at home with the "syncme" app
I mean sheeet...I am quite aware the new usb-c is more rugged than micro-usb is, and less annoying since it plugs in every way...but once you charge your phone by just literally setting it down...you're so glad to never have to fish for that stupid cord again.
I even borrowed a router (the woodworking kind) and made a hole in my desk for the LG charger...it sits flush on my desk now and it's like it is never there.
Screw cords. It's 2015.
If a home cordless phone that I buy for $30 or even less can charge without fishing around for a stupid cable to plug in, than DAMMIT, my $400+ cell phone should be able to as well!

Why sit around and cry about the ram and storage? If it isn't for you, get something that is for you, end of story. 32GB of ram is much more than I'd need, I keep all my music downloaded on my tablet, and never play games or do any heavy duty tasks on my phone so the 5X would work just great for me. Everything is made to fit the needs of some people, not all people.

To the guys that say 2GB RAM is not enough. Are you all talking about for heavy multitasking, gaming or general use? Genuinely curious about the need for >2GB RAM on a phone.

Buying OnePlus 2 in 2017

Does OnePlus 2 worth a buy in 2017 for Rs. 19,999 ($299)?
What's your experience with it as a regular user?

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Does OnePlus 2 worth a buy in 2017 for Rs. 19,999 ($299)?
What's your experience with it as a regular user?
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well, if you like tinckering in phones, trying custom roms then this phone still has very good development and most of roms are stable. otherwise if you don't care development and pure android then there is plenty reasons not to choose op2, sp810 is pretty sh**y soc in terms of battery life and thermal stuff. its fast and fluid but its not efficient and heats up very fast. new 6xx series snapdragon socs are even better. also op2 has no nfc as you know, camera is not that good, i mean its good but in 2017 there will be better choises. and i thins 300$ is overpriced. i bought it for 240$ half year ago.

Standard answer: It depends !
Good hardware, stable (time to time )software, poor optics, quite heavy but comfortable. Average battery.
Still for the money it's difficult to buy something BETTER.
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well, if you like tinckering in phones, trying custom roms then this phone still has very good development and most of roms are stable. otherwise if you don't care development and pure android then there is plenty reasons not to choose op2, sp810 is pretty sh**y soc in terms of battery life and thermal stuff. its fast and fluid but its not efficient and heats up very fast. new 6xx series snapdragon socs are even better. also op2 has no nfc as you know, camera is not that good, i mean its good but in 2017 there will be better choises. and i thins 300$ is overpriced. i bought it for 240$ half year ago.
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10/10
Make a comparison of what you can buy for $ 300. And - very important - what you really need?

Buy a refurbished 6P its a better phone

I did. In the UK second hand value of the op2 is still around £200. I managed to get a decent condition one for £150. Going to use it untill the next flagships are released then sell it for £150 or more and get a good phone then. It's almost as good as 2016 flagships in my opinion. Decent battery and lack of NFC doesn't bother me at all.
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Moto X Style Very Poor SoT

I know there are a lot of threads about the poor battery life on the Moto X Style my case is a bit extreme, My SoT doesn't extend beyond 2 hours and I am considerably a heavy user but I have cut down on most apps and I use those on my Moto Z which is like my second phone, I use that at home but for college I use this Moto X Style and I have to charge it twice daily with apps like Facebook Instagram Messenger WhatsApp one or two arcade games that's it. What could I do to extend my SoT? i don't want to root my phone till I am receiving software updates. I bought this phone in January 16. There are no performance hickups either. I have disabled apps that i don't need too.

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I know there are a lot of threads about the poor battery life on the Moto X Style my case is a bit extreme, My SoT doesn't extend beyond 2 hours and I am considerably a heavy user but I have cut down on most apps and I use those on my Moto Z which is like my second phone, I use that at home but for college I use this Moto X Style and I have to charge it twice daily with apps like Facebook Instagram Messenger WhatsApp one or two arcade games that's it. What could I do to extend my SoT? i don't want to root my phone till I am receiving software updates. I bought this phone in January 16. There are no performance hickups either. I have disabled apps that i don't need too.
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Yeah... Battery life is bad... Stay on WiFi as much as possible. Social media, especially with less than excellent signal will kill the battery on this device. I get anywhere from 2-3.5 hours on a single charge with mixed WiFi and mobile data.

I don't know how but last two security updates made it worse. i used to get around 2.5-3.5 hours but recently it's hardly 2-2.5 hours with mixed 4g and wifi mostly wifi though

Uninstalling Facebook and Facebook messenger would be good for increasing battery life.

TonyStark410 said:
I don't know how but last two security updates made it worse. i used to get around 2.5-3.5 hours but recently it's hardly 2-2.5 hours with mixed 4g and wifi mostly wifi though
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I have the same issue, before updates it's was like 3,5h easily now I got around 2,5. I hope 7.0 will fix this ;\

iks8 said:
I have the same issue, before updates it's was like 3,5h easily now I got around 2,5. I hope 7.0 will fix this ;\
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I hope too till then using my moto z as my main driver but using 4g and VoLTE it's battery also pales out pretty much fast, I guess it's all moto phones which pale out fast. Either phone I need to charge twice to go through the day

Jessooca said:
Heya Ace, Question... You are always on here helping out people, I'm curious as to what you think of the someone going from the Moto X Pure to a G5 Plus. Personally I think it's either the same (in some ways) or a step backwards going to the new G5. Price wise you can get either phone for pretty much the same price; hence my question between the two phones. I actually thought they'd use a snappy 810 as the processor in the G5 Plus
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Moto G5 Plus is a great device... as far as a downgrade, that's personal opinion of what matters to you. The screen is a downgrade from QHD to fullHD and NFC is lost, but you gain Fingerprint unlock, battery life is increased 50%-100% for SOT, and the SD625 will walk all over the SD808 in terms of performance, both computational and GPU performance. Other than the display itself and the loss of NFC, the G5+ is probably a superior device in my opinion.

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I was talking to a reviewer friend of mine and he said he was fairly disappointed in the camera quality though.
Superior device? Perhaps you're being generous with the word Superior. Lol
Ok then what about the G4 Plus 64gb 4gb vs G5 Plus 64gb 4gb??
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As I said... All depends on what you want.
G4+ vs G5+ boils mostly down to screen size, build quality, and battery life. G5+ has a smaller screen, but is slimmer, it also has a more efficient processor thus uses less power, but they both use the same 3000mAh battery, this gives the G5+ about a 20% battery life improvement over the G4+. The G5+ also has a metal build and seems of better quality. Camera is a wash quality wise, but reviewers state the G5+ starts up and focuses faster. The G5+ also has a faster processor and GPU.
Winner in my book, the G5+, but realize to me screen size, once it gets over 5" or 1920x1080 resolution, means nothing to me.
I do find it odd on the G5+ Lenovo opted for a smaller display... But 5.2 to 5.5 is not really significant.

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Well if you get a chance, put one in each hand and your mind will change, the skinnier G5 just feels odd and looks meh. It's like holding a Blu R1 HD.
Ok there is a debate going on about the best for under $299 with many saying the Moto G5 Plus is the best bang for your buck but how can that be when the Honor 8 is $260 on Amazon and if you've used it it's hands down a perfect device under $300
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Well, where do I start with this... I have touched all these devices and more. I like the metal feel, better than plastic, again this is just personal preference. The build quality seems noticably better. I thrown them in a case regardless.
I was only making a comparison between those 2 devices, not considering other options or manufacturer's. Personally, the Honor series has great hardware, but EMUI ruins the device completely, especially with how much under the hood crap Huawei has done to prevent you from changing the launcher, seriously, is it that bad to swap a launcher? But if you can deal with the bloat of EMUI or Asus's ZenUI, they are great options in that price range, personally I think the UX ruins the devices from these makers.
Personally, I like the Axon 7 Mini at the $200 price point (BestBuy and others frequently discount it to that price, my son has one, it's great). Plus there is the Blu Vivo 5R, with 3GB RAM, 32GB storage, dual SIM, and an unlocked bootloader with nearly pure Android is nice at $169 (MicroCenter current price, the website doesn't say 5R but that is what's in the store). Or even the $129 Blu Studio XR2 is a fantastic deal.
At the $300 price point, things get interesting... The Blu Pure XR is fantastic, plus they have a few more good devices in that $200-$300 range. Don't count out Blu, the last couple years, especially the last year, they have really stepped up there game.
Pushing that, I'm big fan of the OnePlus 3T but it's pushing a bit out of price range for even high-end budget device.
Yeah... I've been looking... A lot.

Pure vs. Z2 Force thread

now that you guys have seen the new moto, what do you think? would you buy it?
the buzz killer a bit for me is the deleted 3.5mm headphone jack

well it's estimated that moto z2 force is gonna cost for apx $621.49/- which i personally think is costly and not worth it
pros:
snapdragon 835(faster ovbio.. u will get updates more quicker & better performance)
dual camera (which is good feature)
shaterproof screen (nice)
5.5 quadhd amoled (nice)
cons:
battery (2730mAh) not worth
no audio jack (upto you)
moto mods... (too costly)
4GB ram... (one plus 5 has released phones upto 8GB and moto still at 4GB)
wall charger now gives 12W instead of 20W power (won't charge quick like moto x style/pure)
final review: just look and think. if i was you i would have not wasted my $621.49/- for this. instead i would have got a new and better phone

Sagar_1401 said:
well it's estimated that moto z2 force is gonna cost for apx $621.49/- which i personally think is costly and not worth it
pros:
snapdragon 835(faster ovbio.. u will get updates more quicker & better performance)
dual camera (which is good feature)
shaterproof screen (nice)
5.5 quadhd amoled (nice)
cons:
battery (2730mAh) not worth
no audio jack (upto you)
moto mods... (too costly)
4GB ram... (one plus 5 has released phones upto 8GB and moto still at 4GB)
wall charger now gives 12W instead of 20W power (won't charge quick like moto x style/pure)
final review: just look and think. if i was you i would have not wasted my $621.49/- for this. instead i would have got a new and better phone
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the pure has 5.7 quad HD screen

Jonathanlc2005 said:
the pure has 5.7 quad HD screen
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but its isp whereas the z2 force is amoled

2700 mah on a snapdragon 835. I don't know what motorola is thinking about but is way above the average for a 2017 flagship. It is a ridiculous decision from a ridiculous company.

NahuelMS said:
2700 mah on a snapdragon 835. I don't know what motorola is thinking about but is way above the average for a 2017 flagship. It is a ridiculous decision from a ridiculous company.
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Agreed. 100%. I'll link the Reddit thread about why the Z2 force sucks for what it is.

yeah ill be more concerned about the battery because once your using all those apps on that 4gb of ram and it gets close to max... that battery is going to be shot.
had they included 6gb of ram i may have been more willing to buy it

Jonathanlc2005 said:
yeah ill be more concerned about the battery because once your using all those apps on that 4gb of ram and it gets close to max... that battery is going to be shot.
had they included 6gb of ram i may have been more willing to buy it
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Umm... What? Why would having 2, 4, or 6 GB of RAM have any relation to battery life? That doesn't make any sense... personally I just don't like it because the battery is too small, period.

The Moto Z play was a phone whose quality construction was the worst. The back "glass" scratched with only seeyin it, the cámera lens wasn't even scratch prof so it gets scratched too. The screen was mounted in a way that with a 10cm fall it break in 10 pieces. Lenovo chose to save cents in a 450 USD phone just putting in it the worse materials ever.
Eveen with this in mind it is a phone wich become a sales record just for his amazin battery life, like 12 hours of SoT in some cases.
Now what is even even even more amazing that what they did with the Z2 force, is how they cut the battery of the Z Play in their Z Play 2, to release a phone a little bit tiny with almost the same processor, the same screen and similar cameras, justo to price it 150 U$D more. Not only they cut the battery mAh in 600mah, it doesn't last even the half of the Z Play wich was a succes for his battery life. All of this just to gain 1mm less Lol.
Really i don't know what they are thinking about, maybe they think they are going to sell more mods in this way but only a monkey will pay so much for a phone that much overpriced with poor battery life. To this just add the shi**y customer services and support they had. I am just crossing my fingers for Nokia to come worldwide.

The battery isn't too bad since it's less than 10% smaller than the Pure's with the addition of a more efficient processor and an AMOLED display help balance it out
The extra memory is nice, but it won't make too much of a difference in the day to day use that I have
The shatter-proof display is really cool, but it's plastic and can be scratched so easily, at that point I'd rather have a glass screen and a screen protector
I could never see myself buying a moto mod because of them being too pricey along with me preferring to have a case on at all times
The dual camera thing is nice, but I'm perfectly satisfied with the single camera on the Pure. The Camera bump is also terrible and I'd hate to deal with that if I couldn't have a case on
The lack of dual front facing speakers is a pretty big downside for me, but I'd be willing to deal with it if the phone had more pros
I personally hate the way Moto has implemented the fingerprint scanner since it can't be used as a home button and the software buttons are still there just wasting screen real-estate
It's being shipped with an already out of date version of Nougat (7.1.1) and then it'll get O and (maybe) P. The only thing I would be happy about in regards to the updates is the possibility of them being delivered more quickly
Finally, the price. Assuming that everyone here that is thinking about switching from the Pure, (based on the current prices from Swappa and Ebay) you'll probably get about $200 from a 16GB used Pure. Then you could get it for about $520 (assuming that you buy the phone for $720). Ultimately, this is a bad deal and nowhere near worth it for me

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Umm... What? Why would having 2, 4, or 6 GB of RAM have any relation to battery life? That doesn't make any sense... personally I just don't like it because the battery is too small, period.
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come on... you know as memory gets closer to capacity it draws more power

Jonathanlc2005 said:
come on... you know as memory gets closer to capacity it draws more power
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Lol... Sure, ok

Jonathanlc2005 said:
come on... you know as memory gets closer to capacity it draws more power
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Please show me where you for your information because pretty sure you're wrong.

xantanion said:
Please show me where you for your information because pretty sure you're wrong.
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well... you tell me. why dont you prove me wrong. do 2 runs. with no timeout and max brightness.
using a task manager run a phone with 90% ram like clash of clans and a bunch of other **** and run another one with less than 50%

Jonathanlc2005 said:
well... you tell me. why dont you prove me wrong. do 2 runs. with no timeout and max brightness.
using a task manager run a phone with 90% ram like clash of clans and a bunch of other **** and run another one with less than 50%
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So now you're bringing screen brightness into this? Lol

Jonathanlc2005 said:
well... you tell me. why dont you prove me wrong. do 2 runs. with no timeout and max brightness.
using a task manager run a phone with 90% ram like clash of clans and a bunch of other **** and run another one with less than 50%
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You are likely missing an important piece here... those apps running, are RUNNING, in other words they are doing stuff like accessing the processor, sensors, storage, etc.
[troll]Logic says your thought that having more RAM's reduces power consumption is flawed... if anything it is the opposite, more RAM will likely require more power because the more stuff in RAM, the more things running and doing stuff, thus using more battery.[/troll]
Sorry, but this topic has been debated to death since different RAM variants of otherwise identical Android devices came out and the consensus is that the amount of RAM in otherwise similar devices has no noticeable impact on battery consumption... Do you see reviews where a difference in battery life is noted between say the Moto G5 Plus 2/32GB and 4/64GB models, the OP5's 6GB or 8GB variant, or the Redmi Note 4 which comes in a 2, 3, and 4GB variant? No... why? Because there is no difference in battery consumption. There is potential of difference for many other things related specifically to RAM, but not battery life.
Show me a review or article that is from a verifiable, reputable source that states the contrary and explains WHY it would take more power and I will gladly read it.
There is also the piece we haven't mentioned, that a device should never have more than 10-15% of free RAM anyway... this is a Linux based OS, meaning free RAM is wasted RAM.

acejavelin said:
You are likely missing an important piece here... those apps running, are RUNNING, in other words they are doing stuff like accessing the processor, sensors, storage, etc.
[troll]Logic says your thought that having more RAM's reduces power consumption is flawed... if anything it is the opposite, more RAM will likely require more power because the more stuff in RAM, the more things running and doing stuff, thus using more battery.[/troll]
Sorry, but this topic has been debated to death since different RAM variants of otherwise identical Android devices came out and the consensus is that the amount of RAM in otherwise similar devices has no noticeable impact on battery consumption... Do you see reviews where a difference in battery life is noted between say the Moto G5 Plus 2/32GB and 4/64GB models, the OP5's 6GB or 8GB variant, or the Redmi Note 4 which comes in a 2, 3, and 4GB variant? No... why? Because there is no difference in battery consumption. There is potential of difference for many other things related specifically to RAM, but not battery life.
Show me a review or article that is from a verifiable, reputable source that states the contrary and explains WHY it would take more power and I will gladly read it.
There is also the piece we haven't mentioned, that a device should never have more than 10-15% of free RAM anyway... this is a Linux based OS, meaning free RAM is wasted RAM.
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Well said ace!!!??

Here's another good reason not to buy the MZ2F
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/07/31/moto-z2-forces-unbreakable-screen-may-deal-breaker/

NoLimitCrafting said:
Here's another good reason not to buy the MZ2F
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/07/31/moto-z2-forces-unbreakable-screen-may-deal-breaker/
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Lenovo downgrade the quality of their product to a really poor level. It started with the lenz of the g4 and Z line and continued with the Z play screen an back cover. They prefer to save cents not putting scratch test glass that bringing a solid product to their clients.

Not a chance, the Moto z2 force is a downgrade to this phone