Google Pixel 2/XL 2 Indian Discussion Thread. - Google Pixel 2 XL Guides, News, & Discussion

With 2 weeks to go, the excitement is palpable. For stock Android fans this is the only option.
Indian fans, time to get discussing on the upcoming "designed by Google" beauty.
Introduction
Ask more of your phone! Welcome to the world of cohesiveness - software and hardware designed to work together.
Specifications
The Pixel 2 features a 5-inch Cinematic 127-mm full-HD (1080x1920) display, while the Pixel 2 XL features a 6-inch QHD+ (2880 x 1440) P-OLED at 538ppi with 18:9 ratio. Both the displays also come equipped with 3D Corning Gorilla Glass 5. Neither of the handsets have the 3.5mm headphone jack, so there is that you should keep in mind before you place the order. It wasn't immediately clear how soon customers in India will be able to place an order for either of the smartphones.
The Google Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL are powered by Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 SoC and 4GB of RAM. The handsets come in 64GB and 128GB storage variants. The Pixel 2 has a 2700mAh battery, while the Pixel 2 XL has a 3520mAh battery. On the photography front, the Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL offer the industry-best camera sensors. Both the phones house a 12.2-megapixel rear camera with f/1.8 aperture and optical and electronic image stabilisation. The front facing 8-megapixel camera has an aperture of f/2.4.
Distinguishing features
Software
Google Pixel 2 ships with Android 8.0.0 Oreo, with a minimum of three years of OS and security updates promised. With Google Pixel, the company had introduced a new Pixel launcher and a host of other Pixel Exclusive features. This time around, Google Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL ship with a new Android launcher.
Google Assistant now with Google Lens
Google’s answer to Siri and Alexa is one of the Pixel’s biggest features. Google Assistant is even more advanced and capable; With a year of improvements it’s even more contextually aware to what’s happening on your devices and can tap into popular third-party apps like WhatsApp and OpenTable. The lens feature is completely mindblowing and worth the long wait - exclusive for Pixel owners for now!
Pixel Camera
Exceeds Expectations!
Camera is one of the fronts where Google has made significant improvements. Google’s Pixel 2 smartphone now includes optical image stabilisation and support for ‘bokeh’ feature among others. The 12.2MP rear camera comes with 1.4μm aperture size, autofocus with laser and dual pixel phase detection as well as f/1.8 aperture. Bokeh feature is mostly limited to dual camera phones, but Google says Pixel 2 takes advantage of advanced software to achieve bokeh-styled photos.
Google Pixel gets a 12.3 MP camera with f/2.0 aperture, and 1.55μm pixels. Other features include autofocus, phase detection autofocus, laser detection autofocus, and dual LED flash. The front camera in both Pixel and Pixel 2 is 8MP with 1.4μm pixels, and f/2.4 aperture.
Unlimited backups of photos and 4K videos at original quality
Pixel buyers get worry-free backup with Google Photos. All photos and videos (even 4K recordings) can be backed up — for free — with Google's cloud service. Full resolution backups are promised till 2020.
24/7 voice and chat support
If you’ve got a problem with either Pixel phone, you can head to the settings menu and immediately launch a voice call or chat session with Google’s customer support team. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. From there, you can also choose to allow screen sharing so that the Google employee can control your device and show you firsthand how to fix whatever's not working right.
What about India?
India is among the first wave of countries that the new Pixels will be available in. While the Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL will be available from over 1,000 offline stores in the country, they will be exclusively available online via Flipkart. The smartphones will be up for pre-orders in India on October 26 - the former goes on sale on November 1 and the latter on November 15.
Prices
Pixel 2 (64GB) : Rs. 61,000
Pixel 2 XL (64GB) : Rs. 73,000
Pixel 2 (128GB) : Rs. 70,000
Pixel 2 XL (128GB) : Rs. 82,000

A little pricey.. but I cant wait for it.
Wonder if we'll be getting any freebies.. No mini here, as its not supported in India. Maybe they'll include a pair of USB-C headphones in the box which they arent doing in the US.

rkial said:
A little pricey.. but I cant wait for it.
Wonder if we'll be getting any freebies.. No mini here, as its not supported in India. Maybe they'll include a pair of USB-C headphones in the box which they arent doing in the US.
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Yeah well all phone companies have lost it as far as pricing is concerned. Im hoping atleast 10,000 cashback though. Especially because Pixel resale in India is abysmal.

nishant786 said:
Yeah well all phone companies have lost it as far as pricing is concerned. Im hoping atleast 10,000 cashback though. Especially because Pixel resale in India is abysmal.
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Its not just India. Resale of this device is terrible. And now that devs have sworn off of them I bet the price will most likely go down for resale value.

zelendel said:
Its not just India. Resale of this device is terrible. And now that devs have sworn off of them I bet the price will most likely go down for resale value.
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Any reason why devs are staying away?

Flipkart is a rip off when it comes to resale. It doesn't seem to care whether you have a pixel 64 or 125 gig version. I've noticed that its exchange quotes different prices for the same phone, while trying to buy different phones (Eg. Galaxy s8 vs s7) Cashify in fact offers way better selling price. Pixel 2 XL being 73k, I for one really need to get my current xl off first - but definitely not at some throwaway 10k.

nishant786 said:
Any reason why devs are staying away?
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Dual partition layout makes developing for it a huge pain. To a point that some have added it to things to avoid when getting a device. Also you lose things do to Google using a lot of closed Sourced system files on the device.

zelendel said:
Dual partition layout makes developing for it a huge pain. To a point that some have added it to things to avoid when getting a device. Also you lose things do to Google using a lot of closed Sourced system files on the device.
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Would agree... Nexus was the love child and pixel is more like you remember t&c on condom packets stating 97% effectiveness... Well u r that 3% ....
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nishant786 said:
Yeah well all phone companies have lost it as far as pricing is concerned. Im hoping atleast 10,000 cashback though. Especially because Pixel resale in India is abysmal.
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Which one are you going for 64 or 128 pixel 2 xl???

rohit25 said:
Which one are you going for 64 or 128 pixel 2 xl???
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64gb ofcourse. 82k is a little too insane. Plus I hardly crossed 20gb on my 128 Pixel last year and that was a big mistake.

zelendel said:
Dual partition layout makes developing for it a huge pain. To a point that some have added it to things to avoid when getting a device. Also you lose things do to Google using a lot of closed Sourced system files on the device.
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I don't see how long devs can avoid DP though. I have a feeling it would be standard on most phones in a couple of years - the benefits are too many for oems.
Ironically it was hailed by the dev community initially - claims of easy dual booting etc.

Damn way too costly for regular users to buy either Pixel or IPhone. Not sure where are we heading too, from a 25k Nexus 4 to 80k phones..

manishdev said:
Damn way too costly for regular users to buy either Pixel or IPhone. Not sure where are we heading too, from a 25k Nexus 4 to 80k phones..
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Manish although I agree that phone prices are getting preposterous. However i feel that it's unfair comparing the Pixel to the Nexus 4. The Pixel is on a higher level than the Nexus6/6p. The Nexus 4/5 although cheap, were cheap because of hardware compromises. Screens, cameras, builds were all in line with the price. With the Nexus 6 we started seeing actually flagship level hardware. Pixels are even higher because now they are trying to use the best hardware, best software and MOST IMPORTANT are spending a buttload on marketing. This last thing gives us nothing but is essential if Google has to continue making excellent iPhone level hardware.
In any case, I have seen some spectacular deals on last year's Pixel devices. And the new Pixels aren't a huge leap over last year's Pixels. Maybe try those? I promise they are worth it.
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The reviews are out... It being a all day battery... Awesome speakers and even awesome camera... The display is good.. but compare it to others and it would fail... Look at it individually and we good...
Must buy is all I heard and read...

Ordered mine from USA. My relative will bring it on Nov 5 to India. Hope so it gets delivered before he leaves for India.

virani_joush said:
Ordered mine from USA. My relative will bring it on Nov 5 to India. Hope so it gets delivered before he leaves for India.
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Black color ??? Also I do that think it's readily available... Might be wrong though

Yupp black colour. Ya it will be readily available in India. But it's my birthday so... Just treating myself little early..

Any idea when the display units will be in store?
I really want to see one in person

rkial said:
Any idea when the display units will be in store?
I really want to see one in person
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Not before end November.... Like last year and the year before that.... These phones don't ship before November end

rohit25 said:
Not before end November.... Like last year and the year before that.... These phones don't ship before November end
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The smaller one is shipping at the end of Oct. The 2 XL will go on sale on 15th Nov.
Pre orders start on 26th Oct.
And the Pixels last year went on sale in Oct too. I bought mine in Oct.
the 2XL is going on Sale in the UK on 15th Nov too, but they have had the demo units in stores for a few days now. We should be getting one pretty soon.

I have been reading too many horror stories about the colour saturation and tint on the Pixel 2 XL screen. Unless we see the phone in person, it would be difficult to make a judgement. Not sure how much this issue will affect sales here in India.
Happy Diwali to everyone!

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Htc one officially launched in india

Guys guys guys……..!!!!!!!
Here comes for you all one more option if you have decided or fallen for Samsung Galaxy S4 or Xperia Z. If these two were there in your hit list, then its time to add one more to your list. This is “HTC One”, a new competition to Xperia Z(Sony’s innovation) and Samsung Galaxy S4. Now this recently launched , most awaited hanset has finally arrived into the market of India. So for those who all were waiting for this innovative and beautiful handset, can hurry up!! As this handset has already struck the market of India.
This handset was launched in the month of Feb’13 at MWC. Because of its excellent and flawless design, this invention of the company is Quitely Brilliant. In most of the countries the launch of HTC One was delayed. Earlier it was available in US. Some of the handsets made their way to US. Earlier these sets were available on Amazon at the cost of $800 to $900 (varying according to the shipping cost). The one charging $900 had listed shipping time of 6-10 days. One of the seller on Amazon was charging $1,180 for the handset with shipping time of 1-2 days. But now you don’t have to worry about the shipping charges, as for now this handset has already struck the market of India.
So now its time to be in touch with your world with a sleek aluminum body. This one screen ,streams all your favorite contents live. A camera that has the ability to capture 300% more light and provides you perfect images on just one press, a photo gallery that comes to life.The new HTC One is surely going to change your experience of smartphones. So grab your set now
HTC ONE FEATURES:-
For high data transfer speeds 3G and 4G data support has been provided.
Secondary camera of approx 2.1 MP and 1080 p video recording at 30 fps is present.
Beats Audio provides power speakers.
A non-removable battery of 2300 mAh.
Quad Core processor is of 1.7 GHz.
469 ppi pixel density.
4MP “ultra pixel” camera with approx (2688×1520) pixels of resolution.
It also has Auto focus and LED flash.
Supers LCD , LCD display , with 16 Million colors. Resolution of 1080 X 1920 pixels.
Non-expandable internal memory of 32 and 64 GB.
For display Corning Gorilla Glass 2 protection is provided.
What's new? That's all old news and we already have a Indian users thread to discuss all this.
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There is already an indian users thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2156707
Additionally this is only some press release c&p

[Q] Do you regret not waiting and getting the Nexus 6P or 5X

Just taking a poll. Me personally I kind of did at first but now not so much, do wish we had marshmallow already. Oneplus two's build quality might be superior.
I'm selling my OP2 as soon as my Nexus 6P arrives (next week). The OP2 isn't a bad phone at all, but I REALLY miss not having front facing speakers... That has turned out to be a deal-killer for me.
Since 2012, I've had phones with front facing speakers and I thought I would try the OP2 and see if I could live without them, but it seems I can't
I was planning to sell the OPT and buy a 6p but not one person in the world wants to pay more then €300 for it while I paid €450 for it 4 weeks ago. It's definitely not like the OPO, I could have sell it with profit last year. The OPT was a bad decision and it's the f***ing invite that made me buy it. I think my wife won't let me buy the 6p so I'm a little disappointed now.
Technically, in terms of raw performance the Oneplus 2 trumps over the Nexus 6P any day. That full HD display helps a lot in the battery (at least in my experience with the OP2 and 6P). Only factor limiting such potentiality is the damn OXygen OS, which in my experience has yet to gain proper optimization with the hardware, but then custom roms with that are cm based are already quite buttery smooth in user experience. Oneplus 2 has superior camera, and with the latest software update, video recording has been fixed. Overall, in my opinion, some of the advantages of getting the NExus 6p if you are a character with little knowledge in android hacking are faster software updates, front facing speakers, gorgeous AMOLED display (but then again the QHD evidently takes a hit on the battery), larger developer community( I might be wrong, but then OP2 already has a significant amount of devs), and stock android experience. lol
Both Nexus 5x and 6p are more expensive than OPT. So i definitely not regret buying OPT week after release! It was great phone for me since i got it, sure some bugs there and there but overall very satisfied with it. There are better smartphones, but in this price range - OPT is still one of the best.
Since the 64gb version 6p is 270€ ($300) more expensive than the OPT I am not even thinking about it.
I'm very happy with my Oneplus Two. In india, i can buy 2 Oneplus Two for the price of 1 Nexus 6p 64gb. So i definitely don't regret buying Oneplus Two.
Kirahvi said:
Since the 64gb version 6p is 270€ ($300) more expensive than the OPT I am not even thinking about it.
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This. It's not really a fair comparison as the Oneplus 2 so much cheaper. I would probably buy a 6P if I could justify the additional cost, but for the money I think the Oneplus 2 is great
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Technically, in terms of raw performance the Oneplus 2 trumps over the Nexus 6P any day. That full HD display helps a lot in the battery (at least in my experience with the OP2 and 6P). Only factor limiting such potentiality is the damn OXygen OS, which in my experience has yet to gain proper optimization with the hardware, but then custom roms with that are cm based are already quite buttery smooth in user experience. Oneplus 2 has superior camera, and with the latest software update, video recording has been fixed. Overall, in my opinion, some of the advantages of getting the NExus 6p if you are a character with little knowledge in android hacking are faster software updates, front facing speakers, gorgeous AMOLED display (but then again the QHD evidently takes a hit on the battery), larger developer community( I might be wrong, but then OP2 already has a significant amount of devs), and stock android experience. lol
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Really? [email protected] i mean
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btw, I am not native English speaker and i guess the topic title can be potentially a little a bit ambiguous ?
Do you regret [not waiting and getting the Nexus 6P or 5X]
Do you [regret not waiting] and getting the Nexus 6P or 5X
y7038862 said:
Really? [email protected] i mean
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btw, I am not native English speaker and i guess the topic title can be potentially a little a bit ambiguous ?
Do you regret [not waiting and getting the Nexus 6P or 5X]
Do you [regret not waiting] and getting the Nexus 6P or 5X
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yes, it is still by default in 1080P 30FPS. Oneplus has yet to release another software update that would inculcate the 60FPS functionality in FHD recording. The camera can shoot with that frames.
shigi1231 said:
yes, it is still by default in 1080P 30FPS. Oneplus has yet to release another software update that would inculcate the 60FPS functionality in FHD recording. The camera can shoot with that frames.
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That's nice.
It's been confirmed?
Well let me add to this thread that I do regret it as my oneplus two home button went dead yesterday. Pretty disappointing.
No regrets so far. Google went crazy at prices in Europe. For the same space and specs they sell it for twice the price for an OnePlus 2 64GB. Yes, I blame Google for it, because the 6P is ugly as hell. Well, I don't care that much about design, but if I pay twice the price, I'd consider to buy a LG G4 rather than a Nexus 6P.
To make everything simple, Oneplus 2 has potentials of surpassing even the latest flagships of today in terms of software experience. The specifications surpass or at par with the greatest today. Like i've said, only thing limiting the full potentials of this phone is Oxygen OS. If Oneplus would fix the bugs and stuttering of the Oxygen OS, this device would be even faster (technically) than a nexus 6P.
In terms of capturing images, it can go toe to toe even with the note 5, or G4 (which are the best in the smarthphone industry today.). GO check the reviews with the camera that has the Oxygens OS 2.1.1 if you want proof.
Display appreciation is subjective. An AMOLED panel would have high saturation as compared to the true to life colors of an IPS LCD display. QHD is just overkill, and it is a minuscule update from a FHD display. 5 - 6 inches will not give significant changes if upgrade to a QHD.
I'm quite the opposite. Glad I've bought OP2 instead of waiting Nexus 6P.
Some more interesting stuff:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/1...rting-spontaneously-broken-rear-glass-panels/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3rwc6p/nexus_6p_back_glass_window_has_just_spontaneously/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3cWVdLqXCg
Glad to have both. The 6P is much nicer, hardware-wise, while the OP2 makes a good beater.
That said, I really hope the OP3 has a QHD AMOLED. A decent screen would take OnePlus to the next level.
CrashTestDroid said:
Glad to have both. The 6P is much nicer, hardware-wise, while the OP2 makes a good beater.
That said, I really hope the OP3 has a QHD AMOLED. A decent screen would take OnePlus to the next level.
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Why do you feel the 6P is nicer? I'm about to pull the trigger.
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Why do you feel the 6P is nicer? I'm about to pull the trigger.
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Basically this:
Camera is important to me, you can read all about the differences but the 6P is decidedly superior.
Display: brighter, more contrast, accurate colors and of course it's bigger too. I expect some degree of minor burn-in after a year or two but in the meantime this QHD AMOLED is incredible, compared to the washed-out and dimmer FHD display of a OP2.
Fingerprint sensor on the 6P is quick and all the upcoming roms will support it, while OP2's FP sensor only works with OP's closed source rom until Carl Pei gets the ball rolling.
Front facing speakers. Wish OP2 had something even 20% as good.
128 fat gigabytes. Case closed.
In OP2's favor:
I wish Huawei outfitted the 6P with a Sandstone back or skin. Slippery aluminum of the 6P is nearly as bad as glass or glossy plastic
Acceptable bezel. The 6P's bezels are a bit big for my liking, though nowhere near Apple or HTC
dualSIM! Great because I travel a lot
notification slider
My overall preferences are 6P > OP2 > S6 if that helps.
Hope they better the Oxygen OS and would take full advantage of the powerful hardware

Xperia X vs Xperia Z5 display and camera (amazing)

I didn't make this video. I wanted to share it since I found that the video shows the true potential of the Xperia X series.
Display is a lot better than the normal Xperia Z5(fhd).
You will see a difference in the camera quality as well.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=g5SJq-Jag20
Credits to mobile geeks.de for making such a good comparison between Z5 and Xperia X series. :fingers-crossed:
Really looks like an exciting device. Just about the same size as the N5, but a little heavier...metal back and general Sony goodness. I love it - sold.
Would be nice if it was available sometime before 2017 though. In the US. With regular software security updates.
Oh there wont be a Z6. I still thought they continue there as well...
pilzj said:
Oh there wont be a Z6. I still thought they continue there as well...
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Source? I still believe there will be a Z6 as the 2016 sony flagship at the end of the year.
The Z5 is still very new as it's only been out for a few months right? I believe Sony stated that they will only release 1 flagship phone instead of the usual 2 per year. Also i believe the X series are being advertised as "mid-ranged" phones (Besides the Xperia X performance ofc)
Xplay21 said:
Source? I still believe there will be a Z6 as the 2016 sony flagship at the end of the year.
The Z5 is still very new as it's only been out for a few months right? I believe Sony stated that they will only release 1 flagship phone instead of the usual 2 per year. Also i believe the X series are being advertised as "mid-ranged" phones (Besides the Xperia X performance ofc)
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Well did you few the video from the Main Post - MobileGeeks.de
After 21 Seconds she sais that the Z5 was the last of the Z Series... Thats my source
pilzj said:
Well did you few the video from the Main Post - MobileGeeks.de
After 21 Seconds she sais that the Z5 was the last of the Z Series... Thats my source
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I wouldn't count that as a reliable source. But if that is true then the xperia x performance is pretty much an xperia z6 in disguise.
Why would they make a Z6 if they have the XP? Lol. XP is the new flagship.
I hope the X is only around $400. I've always just wanted a mid-range phone with a high end camera. Only thing that stopped me from getting the Nexus 5X was no sd-card and my Z3 is still good.
imho sony really messed up the pricing on this ones :| 599eur for the x with a 1080p 5" screen , snapdragon 650 and 2600mah battery???? what are they thinking?
699eur for the x performance sounds a little better with the snapdragon 820 but spending 700eur to upgrade from my z2 to this is not worth it for me unless a z6 is announced with better specs my next phone probably won't be a sony :crying:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/02/22/xperia-x-family-priced-in-europe-pre-orders-now-live/
No, they still have the Z series
But they announced X series just as a threat to the competitions.
http://www.gsmarena.com/no_xperia_z6_x_series_to_replace_z_series_sony_confirms-news-16860.php
I guess there will be no Z6 afterall..
Xplay21 said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/no_xperia_z6_x_series_to_replace_z_series_sony_confirms-news-16860.php
I guess there will be no Z6 afterall..
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Also Engadget confirmed it today which seems to have an official source: http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/24/sony-no-xperia-z6/
Z-Series ends with Xperia Z5. There will not be a Z6.
Official Statement by Sony
eagle25884 said:
Z-Series ends with Xperia Z5. There will not be a Z6.
Official Statement by Sony
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Sony just lost me as a customer.... x series brings nothing new, the prices are crazy and since Z series is dead that's it for me.
My next device will probably be a xiaomi mi5 pro or the lg g5. I'm not in a hurry to upgrade my z2 (still a great phone 2 years later) so i'll wait until the mi5 and g5 are released to see how the xda community reacts to them i need to be sure their bootloaders can be unlocked and custom roms are available before i consider any of them.
ptmaniac said:
Sony just lost me as a customer.... x series brings nothing new, the prices are crazy and since Z series is dead that's it for me.
My next device will probably be a xiaomi mi5 pro or the lg g5. I'm not in a hurry to upgrade my z2 (still a great phone 2 years later) so i'll wait until the mi5 and g5 are released to see how the xda community reacts to them i need to be sure their bootloaders can be unlocked and custom roms are available before i consider any of them.
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So a LETTER was what you chose Sony for in the first place. Wow.
The smoothness of the OS, the camera, the great Aosp support of existing devices nor even the water/dust rating with almost a decade legacy of doing this in their phones, nor even the quality audio and accessories being innovative.
Sure go a ahead and deal with the competition. Personally it would be smarter to stick with Sony getting the Z line even 6 months from now as support under warranty will still continue until all sales of that device stopped.
Where do you kids think life and products are about? Change is inevitable! Get over the letter "X" drove huge success for Sony 6yrs ago why not try to repeat that.
It's a VRRY crowded market and consolidation the screen size is smart. Making the phones interact with us as humans is genius because looking down at my phone for a total of 3hrs combined a day feels unnatural in my neck - I do body build!
I want real world performance not a spec sheet that doesn't perform!!
I just bought a Z5 full retail and I'm very happy. I'll get the Z5C as a backup especially when travelling. I'll see the upgrade to the Xperia X Performance or whatever Sony brings next year. Not going to cry over spilt milk cause they made a very conscious and rational change in their product lineup.
Grow up.
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So a LETTER was what you chose Sony for in the first place. Wow.
The smoothness of the OS, the camera, the great Aosp support of existing devices nor even the water/dust rating with almost a decade legacy of doing this in their phones, nor even the quality audio and accessories being innovative.
Sure go a ahead and deal with the competition. Personally it would be smarter to stick with Sony getting the Z line even 6 months from now as support under warranty will still continue until all sales of that device stopped.
Where do you kids think life and products are about? Change is inevitable! Get over the letter "X" drove huge success for Sony 6yrs ago why not try to repeat that.
It's a VRRY crowded market and consolidation the screen size is smart. Making the phones interact with us as humans is genius because looking down at my phone for a total of 3hrs combined a day feels unnatural in my neck - I do body build!
I want real world performance not a spec sheet that doesn't perform!!
I just bought a Z5 full retail and I'm very happy. I'll get the Z5C as a backup especially when travelling. I'll see the upgrade to the Xperia X Performance or whatever Sony brings next year. Not going to cry over spilt milk cause they made a very conscious and rational change in their product lineup.
Grow up.
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AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware. my biggest problem with the X series is the price range sony is placing the devices at giving it's specs, nothing else. I don't feel like an X performance is worth 700eur to upgrade from my Z2 (i would get a better cpu and camera, nothing else...i can get a z5p for less than 600eur and it still feels like a better option than the x for me).
IF you feel like it's worth it buy it, enjoy it, and stop criticizing other people opinions. I don't have a sentimental attachment to any brand so it's easy for me to choose the device that fits my needs for the best price am i not free to do that?
Honestly if i change to another brand the only thing i'll miss it's the great dev community sony has here at xda. and that doesn't include you obviously
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AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware.
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But going by your own logic there, the Xperia X is a worthy flagship, no?
It has the fastest cpu,
It has the fastest ram
It has improved screen,
It has stereo speakers
And the improved camera.
Take it from me, I have no intention in buying X, because I have Z5p. But come IFA, the letter won't mean jack if the specs match my expectations of a flagship.
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It has the fastest cpu --> check (x performance only)
It has the fastest ram --> only 3gb, benchmarks not available yet so not sure it'll be the fastest ram available.
It has improved screen --> maybe be improved color wise but it's smaller and the same technology.
It has stereo speakers --> check (and if i go to another brand i'll definitively miss the front stereo speakers a LOT )
And the improved camera --> somewhat, will have to see after the device is released
For a sony 2016 flagship i think it's missing usb 3.0 connectivity (deal breaker for me in 2016) , a bigger battery, 4gb of ram and at the very least 64gb of FAST internal storage. Wireless charging and an ir blaster would be an welcome bonus but not a deal breaker.
The screen size drop to 5.0" makes no sense to me either especially given the 68.1% screen-to-body ratio. 5.2 or 5.5" as in z5p would be fine.
AGAIN i'll have to reinforce I NEVER said the x series is a sh*t device (quote me if a did), i'm just stating my personal opinion that it doesn't feel like a true flagship, especially for the 700eur price.
Anyway this will be the last post i'll make on this thread. I have only stated MY opinion, i've not been aggressive/stupid and i did not make any personal attack against anyone. I don't know why some people are turning this into a personal war, and i do have better stuff to do with my time so i'm out.
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AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware. my biggest problem with the X series is the price range sony is placing the devices at giving it's specs, nothing else. I don't feel like an X performance is worth 700eur to upgrade from my Z2 (i would get a better cpu and camera, nothing else...i can get a z5p for less than 600eur and it still feels like a better option than the x for me).
IF you feel like it's worth it buy it, enjoy it, and stop criticizing other people opinions. I don't have a sentimental attachment to any brand so it's easy for me to choose the device that fits my needs for the best price am i not free to do that?
Honestly if i change to another brand the only thing i'll miss it's the great dev community sony has here at xda. and that doesn't include you obviously
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Spoken like a true child.
My post makes perfect sense but I see already you're beginning to backpedal from someone whom just quoted you. I'll break it down for you.
1. only a child on forums (cliché of the last 4yrs) claims someone who doesn't agree with their opinion about a brand works for said brand (first bold quote above). Hence why I said grow up!
2. When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device
^ I stated that sales are affecting Sony's decision here to consolidate screen size and the specs along with shipping times and the brand sub-model here. SPECIFICATIONS like Skills or knowledge means nothing. It's sales to a company that continues to be a going-concern (accounting term) to make revenues that turn into profits and when sales don't go in that regard changes are inevitable for good or for worse, get used to this regardless if you don't like or do like the device ... change is here and in perfect timing. And like skills or knowledge both mean nothing without the means and the will to act ... using them (like drawing talent in a child that doesn't wish to pursue a career in that regard, drawing or visual arts is a useless skill).
3. great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery
Xperia Z5 Premium boasted the best screen (at least in terms of resolution and ppi).
The LG G Pro also released in April 2014 as teh Z2 had Li-Ion 3200 mAh battery http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g_pro_2-6052.php
having a huge battery ... means nothing if the cpu, screen, storage and ram guzzles. Battery consumption efficiency and recharging efficiency is KEY because it's all about using the device.
4. Price ... this is a HUGE concern for what you get. No disagreements here from me ... BUT I did specifically state it's about getting more sales but more profits (the key) for Sony.
3 phones all sharing 5" LCD displays and resolution
All have the same storage options - consolidating and benefiting on economies of scale.
what you get vs what you loose in bold below. I've left out the battery because nobody knows the talk-time (continuous) standby time or continuous video/music playback times between the two on a production phone BUT if it increases you may reconsider.
XPeria X Performance (slightly smaller by dimensions but not Z5 Compact
5.0 inches (~68.1% screen-to-body ratio)
1080 x 1920 pixels (~441 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch: Yes, up to 10 fingers
Qualcomm MSM8996 Snapdragon 820
Dual-core 2.15 GHz Kryo & dual-core 1.6 GHz Kryo
Adreno 530
Primary Camera: 23 MP, f/2.0, 24mm, phase detection autofocus, LED flash
Secondary Camera: 13 MP, f/2.0, 22mm, 1/3" sensor size, 1080p, HDR
Bluetooth: v4.2, A2DP, apt-X, LE
Radio: NONE
USB: microUSB v2.0, USB Host
Xperia Z5
5.2 inches (~69.6% screen-to-body ratio)
1080 x 1920 pixels (~428 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch: Yes, up to 10 fingers
Qualcomm MSM8994 Snapdragon 810
Quad-core 1.5 GHz Cortex-A53 & Quad-core 2.0 GHz Cortex-A57
Adreno 430
Primary Camera: 23 MP, f/2.0, 24mm, phase detection autofocus, LED flash
Secondary Camera: 5.1 MP, f/2.4, 1080p, HDR
Bluetooth: v4.1, A2DP, apt-X
Radio: FM radio with RDS
USB: microUSB v2.0 (MHL 3 TV-out), USB Host
- ANT+ support
- Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic
At the end of the day your opinions are yours to make ... just stop being so childish about it and realize you can VOTE with your hard earned cheddar! Seems you didn't get this the first time around.
Why the fight?
I agree with @ptmaniac that its a decent phone; but its targeted for mid-rangers because the price is definitely a deal-breaker for specs like that of mid-2015.
Sony has made VERY GOOD phones in the past but coming up with X series with little to no improvements - puts the deal off. (4gb RAM, AMOLED Screen, at-least Better photo Quality on your phones when you use the same sensor you distribute to others) (My Note5, costing lesser, will defeat XP on all grounds. Wait till the phone comes in market and check out the comparison people do).
I myself have been a user of Z1 Compact (A true mini flagship) for 1.5 years, but NOW Sony doesn't feel like they are giving any value-for-money devices.
+1 on the support for Sony devices on xda. Kudos to every1 on that.
Its a personal opinion in the end. You want to buy, please go ahead and enjoy
We just dont feel like spending 700 for a mid-ranger specd phone.
Don't say we when you mean you. Again its a difference of opinion and view. Not a fight. We've already worked out our views in PM. No need to investigate.
The Z5compact is also a true small form flagship device: none has the same 810 CPU with 2GB ram and 32GB internal storage! None.
Since you're talking about a 3generation old phone you haven't seen value for the dollar in almost 3yrs not sure how you're even mentioning about this product. You mention awaiting for comparison but state camera should be better? Conundrum?

OP7 PRO - Im so happy I haven't waited and went with S10+

Hi, I decided to get back with Sammy after 3 year break. It's so good I didn't even rooted it. I paid for it 2900 in my currency. OP7Pro is 4000 of my currency. LOL What are you thoughts of the newest flagship killer compared to S10+ Do we have to be afraid of something? Don't you guys think it's a cashgrab?
Good bye s10+ hello op7 pro [emoji23]
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Some of the best specs I've seen including stereo speakers. I also like the size, but not sure ready to leave my S10+
1. No official water resistance rating
2. No wireless charging
3. No headphone jack
4. Non-expandable storage
5. Does not include earbuds or a 3.5mm audio adapter
6. Wide-angle camera falls short
7. Display is less brighter that the one on S10+. (upto 1200 nits vs 800 nits)
8. Front cam on OP is trash. No comparison to any other flagships when it comes to front cams. No secondary sensor or depth sensor. Even pixel has it, lol.
There you go. Price difference justified. When the S10+ came out, I traded my P3XL for $550 USD and got the S10+ for $486 USD (Galaxy buds free too since it was a pre-order). I went to OPs site today and went through the trade in steps, put in my IMEI in, trade in value was $640 CAD (since I have now moved to Canada). So I can get the OP 7 pro for around 480 again. Yes, feature wise price is great. BUT no thanks. S10+ is worth the price. Keeping that till the Note or next Pixel.
Aaditya91 said:
1. No official water resistance rating
2. No wireless charging
3. No headphone jack
4. Non-expandable storage
5. Does not include earbuds or a 3.5mm audio adapter
6. Wide-angle camera falls short
7. Display is less brighter that the one on S10+. (upto 1200 nits vs 800 nits)
8. Front cam on OP is trash. No comparison to any other flagships when it comes to front cams. No secondary sensor or depth sensor. Even pixel has it, lol.
There you go. Price difference justified. When the S10+ came out, I traded my P3XL for $550 USD and got the S10+ for $486 USD (Galaxy buds free too since it was a pre-order). I went to OPs site today and went through the trade in steps, put in my IMEI in, trade in value was $640 CAD (since I have now moved to Canada). So I can get the OP 7 pro for around 480 again. Yes, feature wise price is great. BUT no thanks. S10+ is worth the price. Keeping that till the Note or next Pixel.
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I'll counter for Oneplus I guess
1. Oxygen OS is leagues better than OneUI
2. Performance is a lot smoother on Oneplus
3. Samsung has incredibly slow charging speeds compared to Oneplus' wrap charging.
4. OS and Security updates are more frequent and longer support of their devices
5. Easy to Root
6. Developer friendly device
7. Bezeless screen with 90hz screen
8. UFS 3.0
Oneui
worldsoutro said:
I'll counter for Oneplus I guess
1. Oxygen OS is leagues better than OneUI
2. Performance is a lot smoother on Oneplus
3. Samsung has incredibly slow charging speeds compared to Oneplus' wrap charging.
4. OS and Security updates are more frequent and longer support of their devices
5. Easy to Root
6. Developer friendly device
7. Bezeless screen with 90hz screen
8. UFS 3.0
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Well with one ui you get every single feature that a oneplus user wants...thats why people root oneplus so that they can add the features...i dont need to root my s10 plus oneplus has the bare minimum thats why its snappy...my s10 plus has tonnes built in and its great s10 even use there own apps which is great .... btw oneplus pro 4 hours screen on time because of that 90hz you can change to 60hz but why would you its the phones best selling point..sorry i keep editing this lol... have you seen oneui ? Inside all the apps looks so much better ... and we dont need substratum either we have themes and goodlock?
worldsoutro said:
I'll counter for Oneplus I guess
1. Oxygen OS is leagues better than OneUI
2. Performance is a lot smoother on Oneplus
3. Samsung has incredibly slow charging speeds compared to Oneplus' wrap charging.
4. OS and Security updates are more frequent and longer support of their devices
5. Easy to Root
6. Developer friendly device
7. Bezeless screen with 90hz screen
8. UFS 3.0
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For the most part, you're comparing your OPINIONS to his FACTS.
You're talking about things being better, smoother, "friendly".... All of those are opinions opposed to what actually can be proven.
Me personally, I'll never buy a phone again without a headphone jack, expandable memory and an IP rating. Those 3 features, are necessities for me.
Aaditya91 said:
1. No official water resistance rating
2. No wireless charging
3. No headphone jack
4. Non-expandable storage
5. Does not include earbuds or a 3.5mm audio adapter
6. Wide-angle camera falls short
7. Display is less brighter that the one on S10+. (upto 1200 nits vs 800 nits)
8. Front cam on OP is trash. No comparison to any other flagships when it comes to front cams. No secondary sensor or depth sensor. Even pixel has it, lol.
There you go. Price difference justified. When the S10+ came out, I traded my P3XL for $550 USD and got the S10+ for $486 USD (Galaxy buds free too since it was a pre-order). I went to OPs site today and went through the trade in steps, put in my IMEI in, trade in value was $640 CAD (since I have now moved to Canada). So I can get the OP 7 pro for around 480 again. Yes, feature wise price is great. BUT no thanks. S10+ is worth the price. Keeping that till the Note or next Pixel.
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Well, the price difference is justified if all those features are important to you. Although #5-8 seem to be nit-picky for most regular users - not the XDA ones!
Me, I'm going to keep my S10+ although the 90Hz display on the OP7P sounds mighty interesting.
OP is not anymore flagship killer, just flagship without flagship features like IP, wireless charging etc With addition, OP7 camera is again joke, even bigger with actual price. They don't know make competitive camera with actual flagships. I'm pretty happy with my regular S10 and looking forward for Pixel 4, S11, Mi10 and so on
90Hz on AMOLED and UFS3.0, that's all. Exynos except GPU is more powerful than Snapdragon in raw power
I have had a few OP devices and besides the phone`s speed there is nothing that is better then a Galaxy S device. Costumer service and support is bad and once the phone is unpacked its value decreases about half of what was paid. Overall i think the quality and support (regular updates) of Samsung is better then what OP offers. Just my 2 cents
If i still had my s8 and op7 pro or s10 was a choice I would go with s10 BECAUSE OF WIRELESS CHARGING, IP rating and some other smaller things
Like the op7 pro but would not give up my s10 for it but I am jealous of the 90hz screen tbh.
Since the oneplus 7 pro is a flagship phone I don't really the value with all those trade-offs. I might consider it if it were subsidised but in Canada no company will carry so for a starting price of 1000$ I just don't see the value tbh.
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I can add that there are some things like offscreen gestures that I miss from OP devices. But for me the best thing in S10 is..... One handed mode with a gesture. It's been there isnce what ? S6? OP7P has bigger screen but try using it while on the bike.
mrnovanova said:
Since the oneplus 7 pro is a flagship phone I don't really the value with all those trade-offs. I might consider it if it were subsidised but in Canada no company will carry so for a starting price of 1000$ I just don't see the value tbh.
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Very hard to justify that kind of price when its missing some key features and the camera is still not even near the same league as galaxys and pixels . It will likely get better with updates but still for $1100 its got some serious ground to make up.
force70 said:
Very hard to justify that kind of price when its missing some key features and the camera is still not even near the same league as galaxys and pixels . It will likely get better with updates but still for $1100 its got some serious ground to make up.
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IKR! I think oneplus is on some Icarus trip right now. Flying way to close to the sun. They were such a great value proposition now they're just a one trick poney. Great screen. It's probably still the fastest Android phone around but marginally at best.
Isn't regular fast charging meant to be detrimental to battery life?
gee2012 said:
I have had a few OP devices and besides the phone`s speed there is nothing that is better then a Galaxy S device. Costumer service and support is bad and once the phone is unpacked its value decreases about half of what was paid. Overall i think the quality and support (regular updates) of Samsung is better then what OP offers. Just my 2 cents
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Not true at all...I paid 650 for 6t and sold it five months later for 525. You call that 50%?
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TheDriver67 said:
Isn't regular fast charging meant to be detrimental to battery life?
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That is a myth. No.
I traded my tmobile branded op7pro for my unlocked S10plus.... I love this phone and I have the exynos version witch I'm rooted already, the only thing I can say about the op7pro is the refresh rate speed and is not that of huge thing. The camera of the op7pro is way better then before but can't compare... And battery life is not that great I tried a day with 90hz and a day with 60hz, the design of the op7pro is meh like it felt I had a galaxy s7 edge. When I got the s10 plus I was worried about the hole but I Dont even notice it and battery life on the s10plus its insane.
Then there's value where I'm from I can get a basically new op6t for $250,when the op6t was released I bought one for $340 there where tmobile version but since you can convert them there where worth it... And the op7pro tmobile version is already being sold for $600. Oneplus it's no good for resale. Samsung is.
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Not true at all...I paid 650 for 6t and sold it five months later for 525. You call that 50%?
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That is a myth. No.
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The price drop my vary from region,because in my country is true... Right know you can get a op6t for $300 and $250
I just went to my local T-Mobile for T-Mobile Tuesday and looked at the OnePlus 7 Pro and did a side by side comparison with my S10+ and the OnePlus 7 Pro was definitely brighter than my S10+ and my device is on High Performance and Vivid. Does the 7 Pro have more Nits than the S10+?

June 2020 - Purchase a new OnePlus 6T or wait for Pixel 4a

I am looking for a new phone and B&H has a great deal on the 6T. I am torn between buying a new 6T or waiting for the Pixel 4a. Do you have advice?
Thanks
I recently bought mine for roughly 210$ minimally used. With the current announced specs of the Pixel 4a the OnePlus 6T should still be on top performance wise.
Do keep in mind the 6T is nearly 2 yrs old and will not receive new android version after 11. If that matters to you get the Pixel, else the 6T is still a great phone even by 2020 standards
msc3169 said:
Do keep in mind the 6T is nearly 2 yrs old and will not receive new android version after 11. If that matters to you get the Pixel, else the 6T is still a great phone even by 2020 standards
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Also consider storage for your usage, fingerprint sensor, and overall size.
I have a Pixel 3 (which is about the same physical size as the Pixel 4a) and a 6T.
Fingerprint sensor: I much prefer the rear-mounted sensor on the Pixel. The in-screen sensor on the 6T can be finicky and takes longer to read but it does have face unlock which works really well.
Size: The 6T feels significantly larger when using it with one hand and in pockets.
Storage isn't an issue for me as the 64GB in the Pixel 3 is more than enough so the 128GB in the 6T is just a bonus. When I do play mobile games, it's always on the 6T only because of the additional storage, bigger screen, and bigger battery.
i have 6t and im waiting for 4a because of camera. the one in 6t is awful. i hate colors it produce and the oil painting effect.
also the fingerprint sensor has troubles with my fingerprints.
Pixel.
SD8xx
Hey, check out the OnePlus Z, it should be similarly priced to the Pixel 4a, and has a 90 hz display.
CrimsonSaber5G said:
Hey, check out the OnePlus Z, it should be similarly priced to the Pixel 4a, and has a 90 hz display.
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Yes wait for oneolus z.... You wont regret it!
I went throught the same decision process. Got the 6T. It was $300 vs. $500 and waiting til October. I love it. Not worried about support because it's a very popular device with lots of dev support for 3rd party roms and I won't be keeping longer than 2 years anyway. I've seen reviews that compare the camera favorably compared to pixels. I like the camera (but of course I'm coming from an Essential).

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