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[Q] Questions on Oppo find 5 before buying it

Hi everyone,i am in the market for a new phone.
I have been following general reviews of Htc one and Samsung galaxy s4, but in the end i always liked the htc one for its build quality, expecially considering that i owned the Google htc nexus one, that recently broke down.
The problem with the Htc one is the cost. I personally think spending more than 400 euros on a phone is foolish,and both the Htc one and Samsung s4 cost 699 euro, just way too much.I would fear carrying it around, and dropping it, or even scratching in anyway.
and thus i am looking at the Oppo find 5 and its general build quality, great screen,quite powerful, rom support and everything.
And in the other hand, i am also looking at the Huawei Ascend P6 (pictured), which has:
Quadcore 1,5 Ghz
2 gb ram
720 x 1280 pixels (321 ppi)
8 mpx back camera which records 1920x1080 (1080p HD) + 5 mpx frontal
removeable microsd card, and supports microhdsc
Fast mobile data support (4G)
4.7 inches display, (120 g)
2000 mAh battery
for 399 euros.
Considering this, i would like some suggestions or advice on why is the Oppo find 5 better or worse than the other contenders, and what did you like the most about your Find 5, how do you use it.

I am also interested...
purerebelm1ko said:
Hi everyone,i am in the market for a new phone.
I have been following general reviews of Htc one and Samsung galaxy s4, but in the end i always liked the htc one for its build quality, expecially considering that i owned the Google htc nexus one, that recently broke down.
The problem with the Htc one is the cost. I personally think spending more than 400 euros on a phone is foolish,and both the Htc one and Samsung s4 cost 699 euro, just way too much.I would fear carrying it around, and dropping it, or even scratching in anyway.
and thus i am looking at the Oppo find 5 and its general build quality, great screen,quite powerful, rom support and everything.
And in the other hand, i am also looking at the Huawei Ascend P6 (pictured), which has:
Quadcore 1,5 Ghz
2 gb ram
720 x 1280 pixels (321 ppi)
8 mpx back camera which records 1920x1080 (1080p HD) + 5 mpx frontal
removeable microsd card, and supports microhdsc
Fast mobile data support (4G)
4.7 inches display, (120 g)
2000 mAh battery
for 399 euros.
Considering this, i would like some suggestions or advice on why is the Oppo find 5 better or worse than the other contenders, and what did you like the most about your Find 5, how do you use it.
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I am also interested in this...
In particular, I hear a lot talking about the bad quality of the camera on the Oppo Find 5. The camera is for me very important. Do you guys think it will really improve with the updates? Is it true that at the moment the quality is very bad in low light conditions and that the camera app does not have a lot of functionalities?
Another issue would be software optimisation... I read on this forum some people are complaining about heavy lags. I think this is pretty annoying for a 400 euros device...
Many thanks for your time.

purerebelm1ko said:
Hi everyone,i am in the market for a new phone.
I have been following general reviews of Htc one and Samsung galaxy s4, but in the end i always liked the htc one for its build quality, expecially considering that i owned the Google htc nexus one, that recently broke down.
The problem with the Htc one is the cost. I personally think spending more than 400 euros on a phone is foolish,and both the Htc one and Samsung s4 cost 699 euro, just way too much.I would fear carrying it around, and dropping it, or even scratching in anyway.
and thus i am looking at the Oppo find 5 and its general build quality, great screen,quite powerful, rom support and everything.
And in the other hand, i am also looking at the Huawei Ascend P6 (pictured), which has:
Quadcore 1,5 Ghz
2 gb ram
720 x 1280 pixels (321 ppi)
8 mpx back camera which records 1920x1080 (1080p HD) + 5 mpx frontal
removeable microsd card, and supports microhdsc
Fast mobile data support (4G)
4.7 inches display, (120 g)
2000 mAh battery
for 399 euros.
Considering this, i would like some suggestions or advice on why is the Oppo find 5 better or worse than the other contenders, and what did you like the most about your Find 5, how do you use it.
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what??
Ascend P6:
- CPU: Huawei K3V2E (whats this? noname shi* like Samsung Exynos)
- GPU: ???
- only 3G with 21,6 Mbps
- no LTE, no NFC
- Bluetooth 3.0
- only 8MP cam from ???
- no WLAN 802.11a or a/c
- 4,7" with 720x1280
- 2000mAh
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Oppo Find 5:
- CPU: Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro APQ8064
- GPU: Adreno 320
- full 3G (HSDPA+) with 42 Mbps
- no LTE
- Bluetooth 4.0
- 13MP cam from Sony
- no WLAN 802.11a/c
- 5" with 1080x1920 FullHD
- 2500mAh

sorry, here's what seems to be the full specs of the ascend p6
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_ascend_p6-5467.php
"only 3G with 21,6 Mbps"
i wont be using the 3g internet, its too slow anyway where i live, and too expensive.
" Bluetooth 3.0"
what's the difference between 3.0 and 4.0.
anyone, please explain

camera suggestion
Well, for the camera, I think Oppo is working to fix that, but in the meantime you can use an app called ProCapture, which takes very high quality, uncompressed pictures. In the official oppo forums, you can see comparisons And I was in the same boat as you, doing research, and comparing prices, on used versions of the phones on Swappa. I was very much leaning towards HTC One myself. But In the end I took a chance to go with an Oppo F5. It arrives wednesday, comes with all accessories, and 3 cases. And I still have money to buy a few extra stuff for it Good luck with your choice!

Hi I recently got a white Oppo Find 5 and I will try to answer your question. I root all my phones and run AOKP or CM10 cause i think I am cool.
In the past year I have gone from:
Samsung Galaxy Nexus (unlocked) >
Nexus 4 >
Note II >
Fonepad >
Note II >
Oppo Find 5
Of these the nexus 4 has the best design, but not easy to use. It always slid off my lap, crappy data, other probs
The galaxy nexus had the best software, it ran ICS like a ****ing champ, no lag, no crashes, butter.
The Note II was the best daily driver, a good balance of battery life, software, build quality.
However the Oppo feels the best in my hand. The screen is the best I have seen on a phone. When I show it to people, it gets the reaction the first galaxy got. "That is a bright screen". In broad daylight, with polarized sunglasses on, I have no trouble seeing the screen. BEST ****ING PHONE FOR SUMMER 2013 FOR THIS REASON. That and everyone thinks its a sony lol. The battery life sort of sucks, my unofficial taste-test says it is about the same as the Nexus 4.
If you need battery life or you want something a little more "Mainstream", get a note II or the HTC one x+, both have some recent hardware and can be found for $350 USD used.
Good luck!

farberstyle said:
Hi I recently got a white Oppo Find 5 and I will try to answer your question. I root all my phones and run AOKP or CM10 cause i think I am cool.
In the past year I have gone from:
Samsung Galaxy Nexus (unlocked) >
Nexus 4 >
Note II >
Fonepad >
Note II >
Oppo Find 5
Of these the nexus 4 has the best design, but not easy to use. It always slid off my lap, crappy data, other probs
The galaxy nexus had the best software, it ran ICS like a ****ing champ, no lag, no crashes, butter.
The Note II was the best daily driver, a good balance of battery life, software, build quality.
However the Oppo feels the best in my hand. The screen is the best I have seen on a phone. When I show it to people, it gets the reaction the first galaxy got. "That is a bright screen". In broad daylight, with polarized sunglasses on, I have no trouble seeing the screen. BEST ****ING PHONE FOR SUMMER 2013 FOR THIS REASON. That and everyone thinks its a sony lol. The battery life sort of sucks, my unofficial taste-test says it is about the same as the Nexus 4.
If you need battery life or you want something a little more "Mainstream", get a note II or the HTC one x+, both have some recent hardware and can be found for $350 USD used.
Good luck!
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The battery life varies, I have been using the original firmware for about 3 days now after trying out CM 10.1 which has a better battery life BUT it loses signal and the camera is only using 5 megapixels. They(CM) is working on all this and trust me...they will have a bad ass rom once they are through.
I am honestly waiting on the final release of Firefly to be released and then i will really decide on whether or not to keep this phone. I love the built quality and it has a lot of potential, BUT potential doesn't make you a winner. I have patience though, and will wait.
If not I am either going back to the Nexus 4, or getting an Xperia Z.

Lg g4 specifications and leaked images

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After Apple, Samsung and HTC, it’s now LG’s turn to unwrap its next flagship smartphone for the year 2015. The South Korean giant has scheduled events for April 28 in six cities – New York, London, Paris, Istanbul, Singapore and Seoul – where it will unveil its new flagship phone the LG G4. While the company has not yet divulged details about the phone, the Internet is already abuzz with almost everything that the upcoming phone could come with. Here is what we know so far about the G4 – the successor to the G3:
1. The media invite sent by LG for its event reveals that the G4 will carry forward the design language of its predecessors. It will also have the volume and power buttons placed underneath the camera lens on the back.
2. If rumours are to be believed, the new G4 will come with a 2.5 GHz Qulacomm Snapdragon 810 processor (the one that also powers the G Flex 2) paired with 3GB of RAM.
3. Going by the company’s product page that appeared on its Korea site early this month and was quickly pulled off afterward, the phone may have a 3,000 mAh removable battery and 16 or 32GB of internal storage (expandable up to 2 TB,. Yes, 2 terabytes, like its predecessor the G3).
4. The yet-to-be-announced LG G4 features a 5.5 quad-HD (2560×1440) LCD display. According to LG, the display will have a contrast ratio that is 50 per cent higher than conventional QHD LCD panels, while the brightness has increased by 30 per cent without any increase in power consumption. Also, instead of placing the touch panel on top of the LCD, LG has embedded the touch sensor within the LCD. This results in a slimmer design and improved touch response as the thickness of the panel is reduced by eliminating the need for an additional space for touch functions.
5. Speculations are rife that the phone will come with a 16-megapixel wide-angle camera with laser focus and a f/1.8 aperture, hinting at its performance in low-light conditions. This is in contrast to 13-megapixel camera spotted on the leaked product page (which was probably dummy placeholder specs).
6. As confirmed by LG on its Facebook page this month, the new G4 will have a vegetable-tanned leather cover. Rumours suggest that the leather cover will have six colour variants – black, brown, red, light blue, sand, and yellow. The company is also expected to launch the phone with a plastic back.
7. If the leak from the official LG microsite is to be believed, the dimensions of the phone will be 75.3 x 149.1 x 8.9 mm.
8. LG’s recently announced custom mobile software – UX 4.0 interface – is likely to debut on the G4. The custom UI is expected to be based on Android 5.0 Lollipop.
9. The LG G4 is expected to go on sale on May 31 in Korea and later in other markets.
10. LG Electronics will select 4,000 consumers in 15 countries, including India, who will test drive the all new LG G4 smartphone weeks before its official launch. Participants will be selected from applicants based on their entry responses (selection criteria may vary in each market). Once selected, participants in each country will be given an LG G4 for up to 30 days to experience its unique design and features.
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I was disappointed by the lack of removal battery, lack of SD card slot and lack of radio in the S6 even though I've been holding onto my S2 hoping for the above with each galaxy update but it seems now that LG have been reading our complaints here and come up with the goods. maybe it's time to switch brands.

Impatient for the device of the gods

Of course I'm talking about the Moto x 3rd Gen.I honestly can't wait. I feel like a little kid waiting to open Christmas presents. I seen the leaked render of this device just a little bit ago, It looks great. The picture was pixelated and blurry but you could see the jest of it. The camera, flash and dimple are all lined up in this rounded-rectangle strip on metal on the back. It looks very premium, the front of the phone just simply looks like a streamlined flat AMOLED panel with 2 front facing speakers (at least that's what is seems to be). I guarantee all Moto users are going to be proud of this device. like come 'on 4GB on RAM! and look at that chipset and pixel density. This is going to be a gift from the higher up.
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Rumored specs:
Display
Type: AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size: 5.2 inches
Resolution: 1440 x 2560 pixels (~565 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch: Yes
Protection: Corning Gorilla Glass 3
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Platform
OS: Android OS, v5.1.1 (Lollipop)
Chipset: Qualcomm MSM8992 Snapdragon 808
CPU: Dual-core 1.8 GHz Cortex-A57 & quad-core 1.44 GHz Cortex-A53
GPU: Adreno 418
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Memory
Card slot: No
Internal: 32/64 GB, 4 GB RAM
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Camera
Primary: 16 MP, 5312 x 2988 pixels, autofocus, optical image stabilization, dual-LED flash
Features: Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection, panorama, HDR
Video: [email protected], [email protected], HDR
Secondary: 5 MP, 1080p
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Sound
Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes
3.5mm jack Yes
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Comms
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, dual-band, DLNA, hotspot
Bluetooth: v4.1, A2DP, EDR, LE
GPS: Yes, with A-GPS, GLONASS
NFC: Yes
Radio: No
USB: micro USB v2.0, USB Host
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Features
Sensors: Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, temperature
Messaging: SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, Push Email, IM
Browser: HTML5
Java: No
- Fast battery charging: 60% in 30 min (Quick Charge 2.0)
- Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic
- MP3/AAC+/WAV/WMA player
- MP4/H.264/WMV player
- Photo/video editor
- Document viewer
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Battery
Non-removable Li-Ion 3280 mAh battery
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Leaked photos showed below

I wonder why isnt anyone else excited for this...i know i am...!!! Cant wait... goodbye s6! Its either the 3rd gen moto or nexus 5 2nd gen
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Not that much. I'm waiting for next nexus instead like every year. I hope they lower the size of display.

bunglemx said:
Not that much. I'm waiting for next nexus instead like every year. I hope they lower the size of display.
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Same. I am more intrigued with the Nexus because of Google I/O:
1. I am certain a fingerprint scanner will be included
2. USB type C. Now that is something to be happy about
3. OIS and all that camera stuff will be in the next Nexus
4. Wireless charging & fast charging. Both of best worlds
5. Having the latest Android OS version. Android M is going to be awesome, I want it. I will consider buying a Nexus this year if rumors of an LG one is correct (or Huawei), depending on price
6. A lot of the specs will be the same as the first post

not enough of an upgrade to get me to buy day one. maybe after the price drop.

0.0 said:
Same. I am more intrigued with the Nexus because of Google I/O:
1. I am certain a fingerprint scanner will be included
2. USB type C. Now that is something to be happy about
3. OIS and all that camera stuff will be in the next Nexus
4. Wireless charging & fast charging. Both of best worlds
5. Having the latest Android OS version. Android M is going to be awesome, I want it. I will consider buying a Nexus this year if rumors of an LG one is correct (or Huawei), depending on price
6. A lot of the specs will be the same as the first post
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Yes, I'm also interested in what Nexus is going to put out this year. I know that's its going to have an outstanding spec sheet, It always does. That fingerprint scanner would be nice, unfortunely i don't think the new Moto X will have it but you never know. It's more than likely that the new Moto X will be guaranteed updates after it's intial release. Hopefully Motorola improves the camera, OIS would be great and they need to work on getting consietent high quality photos. Image processing needs to be improved also. I tryed the Nexus 6 for about a month and it was perfectly fine in preformance but it's too large. I think the next Nexus smartphone should have a 5.5 inch display at most. Wireless charging & fast charging im sure will be in the new Moto X. LG or Huawei huh? Both are great cmpanies. LG with its G4 and Huawei with its P8. My vote is on Huawei. I also seen the new Moto G rumored specs. 2GB of RAM, larger battery, higher MP count, 16GB base model, same 5 inch screen but in 1080p this time around, Better chipset and more. It amazes me how fast technology is evolving, if the new Moto G would of came out last year it could sure contend with some flagship smartphones.

The only thing that stands out for me is the 1080p video capture at 120fps (slow mo). Not really enough for me to want the new Moto X. I'll most likely wait for the price to be dropped before biting the bullet.
In regards to the new Nexus, I'll never buy a Nexus phone again after owning the Nexus 4 and 5 - awfully bad call quality issues and a lack of acknowledgement from Google (poor support). Nexus 6 was just stupid with it's almost 6" display lol. Probably get laughed at trying to hold that thing against my ear!! Anyway I don't think I can do without Moto Voice, it's too good!

bunglemx said:
Not that much. I'm waiting for next nexus instead like every year. I hope they lower the size of display.
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Yeah, me too. The only reason I jumped to Moto X 2014 is because of Nexus 6 size. Previously I've always used the Nexus line.

Wutang200 said:
The only thing that stands out for me is the 1080p video capture at 120fps (slow mo). Not really enough for me to want the new Moto X. I'll most likely wait for the price to be dropped before biting the bullet.
In regards to the new Nexus, I'll never buy a Nexus phone again after owning the Nexus 4 and 5 - awfully bad call quality issues and a lack of acknowledgement from Google (poor support). Nexus 6 was just stupid with it's almost 6" display lol. Probably get laughed at trying to hold that thing against my ear!! Anyway I don't think I can do without Moto Voice, it's too good!
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Yeah, the 1080p 120fps slow mo will be great im sure of it. The specs that didn't exaclty stand out but were a little unexpected were the battery life & the RAM. I wasn't expeting such a leep in battery capacity to go from 2300 to 3280 mAh is awesome, that almost a 1000 mAh gain. I was expecting something in the ballpark between 2600-2900 mAh which is still good depending on the display and hardware. I was expecting 3GB of RAM for some reason. Maybe it's becuase the Moto X has always seemed to be 1GB of RAM lower than other flagships that came out during the same time. I guess Motorola is stepping up. As far as the expected changes and improvements i knew that Motorola would improve: the camera, chipset and display resolution. It's kinda unfortunate that the new Moto X will most likely not have expandable storage but at least the got rid of the 16GB variant. I am also gonna wait for a price drop, maybe around christmas or so and yes Moto Voice is beyond helpful, i love it. I think that's the dominant reason why i would choose the Moto X 2014 over the Nexus 6, well that and size of course.

I really hope that the MotoX 3rd Gen will have two models, one as large as the Nexus 6 or MotoX Pro (China). I really loved the MotoX and Nexus 6 and own both, but the Nexus 6 without Moto Display is disappointing. I've considered buying one from China, but I don't know if Google services can be installed afterwards. Anyhow, Motorola is about to grace us with a new device so its smarter to wait it out.
If any if these rumors are true, I'll be a happy camper.
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androtecho said:
I wasn't expeting such a leep in battery capacity to go from 2300 to 3280 mAh is awesome, that almost a 1000 mAh gain. I was expecting something in the ballpark between 2600-2900 mAh which is still good depending on the display and hardware. I was expecting 3GB of RAM for some reason. Maybe it's becuase the Moto X has always seemed to be 1GB of RAM lower than other flagships that came out during the same time. I guess Motorola is stepping up.
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Oh I forgot about the bigger battery. That'll be my other reason to want to switch but not straight away, probably when the price drops.
I don't really care about 4GB RAM at all. I think 2GB is more than enough for what most people would do on a smartphone. I've never ever felt like the RAM capacity is slowing me down or anything.

Xperia X vs Xperia Z5 display and camera (amazing)

I didn't make this video. I wanted to share it since I found that the video shows the true potential of the Xperia X series.
Display is a lot better than the normal Xperia Z5(fhd).
You will see a difference in the camera quality as well.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=g5SJq-Jag20
Credits to mobile geeks.de for making such a good comparison between Z5 and Xperia X series. :fingers-crossed:

Really looks like an exciting device. Just about the same size as the N5, but a little heavier...metal back and general Sony goodness. I love it - sold.
Would be nice if it was available sometime before 2017 though. In the US. With regular software security updates.

Oh there wont be a Z6. I still thought they continue there as well...

pilzj said:
Oh there wont be a Z6. I still thought they continue there as well...
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Source? I still believe there will be a Z6 as the 2016 sony flagship at the end of the year.
The Z5 is still very new as it's only been out for a few months right? I believe Sony stated that they will only release 1 flagship phone instead of the usual 2 per year. Also i believe the X series are being advertised as "mid-ranged" phones (Besides the Xperia X performance ofc)

Xplay21 said:
Source? I still believe there will be a Z6 as the 2016 sony flagship at the end of the year.
The Z5 is still very new as it's only been out for a few months right? I believe Sony stated that they will only release 1 flagship phone instead of the usual 2 per year. Also i believe the X series are being advertised as "mid-ranged" phones (Besides the Xperia X performance ofc)
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Well did you few the video from the Main Post - MobileGeeks.de
After 21 Seconds she sais that the Z5 was the last of the Z Series... Thats my source

pilzj said:
Well did you few the video from the Main Post - MobileGeeks.de
After 21 Seconds she sais that the Z5 was the last of the Z Series... Thats my source
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I wouldn't count that as a reliable source. But if that is true then the xperia x performance is pretty much an xperia z6 in disguise.

Why would they make a Z6 if they have the XP? Lol. XP is the new flagship.
I hope the X is only around $400. I've always just wanted a mid-range phone with a high end camera. Only thing that stopped me from getting the Nexus 5X was no sd-card and my Z3 is still good.

imho sony really messed up the pricing on this ones :| 599eur for the x with a 1080p 5" screen , snapdragon 650 and 2600mah battery???? what are they thinking?
699eur for the x performance sounds a little better with the snapdragon 820 but spending 700eur to upgrade from my z2 to this is not worth it for me unless a z6 is announced with better specs my next phone probably won't be a sony :crying:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/02/22/xperia-x-family-priced-in-europe-pre-orders-now-live/

No, they still have the Z series
But they announced X series just as a threat to the competitions.

http://www.gsmarena.com/no_xperia_z6_x_series_to_replace_z_series_sony_confirms-news-16860.php
I guess there will be no Z6 afterall..

Xplay21 said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/no_xperia_z6_x_series_to_replace_z_series_sony_confirms-news-16860.php
I guess there will be no Z6 afterall..
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Also Engadget confirmed it today which seems to have an official source: http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/24/sony-no-xperia-z6/

Z-Series ends with Xperia Z5. There will not be a Z6.
Official Statement by Sony

eagle25884 said:
Z-Series ends with Xperia Z5. There will not be a Z6.
Official Statement by Sony
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Sony just lost me as a customer.... x series brings nothing new, the prices are crazy and since Z series is dead that's it for me.
My next device will probably be a xiaomi mi5 pro or the lg g5. I'm not in a hurry to upgrade my z2 (still a great phone 2 years later) so i'll wait until the mi5 and g5 are released to see how the xda community reacts to them i need to be sure their bootloaders can be unlocked and custom roms are available before i consider any of them.

ptmaniac said:
Sony just lost me as a customer.... x series brings nothing new, the prices are crazy and since Z series is dead that's it for me.
My next device will probably be a xiaomi mi5 pro or the lg g5. I'm not in a hurry to upgrade my z2 (still a great phone 2 years later) so i'll wait until the mi5 and g5 are released to see how the xda community reacts to them i need to be sure their bootloaders can be unlocked and custom roms are available before i consider any of them.
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So a LETTER was what you chose Sony for in the first place. Wow.
The smoothness of the OS, the camera, the great Aosp support of existing devices nor even the water/dust rating with almost a decade legacy of doing this in their phones, nor even the quality audio and accessories being innovative.
Sure go a ahead and deal with the competition. Personally it would be smarter to stick with Sony getting the Z line even 6 months from now as support under warranty will still continue until all sales of that device stopped.
Where do you kids think life and products are about? Change is inevitable! Get over the letter "X" drove huge success for Sony 6yrs ago why not try to repeat that.
It's a VRRY crowded market and consolidation the screen size is smart. Making the phones interact with us as humans is genius because looking down at my phone for a total of 3hrs combined a day feels unnatural in my neck - I do body build!
I want real world performance not a spec sheet that doesn't perform!!
I just bought a Z5 full retail and I'm very happy. I'll get the Z5C as a backup especially when travelling. I'll see the upgrade to the Xperia X Performance or whatever Sony brings next year. Not going to cry over spilt milk cause they made a very conscious and rational change in their product lineup.
Grow up.

Supa_Fly said:
So a LETTER was what you chose Sony for in the first place. Wow.
The smoothness of the OS, the camera, the great Aosp support of existing devices nor even the water/dust rating with almost a decade legacy of doing this in their phones, nor even the quality audio and accessories being innovative.
Sure go a ahead and deal with the competition. Personally it would be smarter to stick with Sony getting the Z line even 6 months from now as support under warranty will still continue until all sales of that device stopped.
Where do you kids think life and products are about? Change is inevitable! Get over the letter "X" drove huge success for Sony 6yrs ago why not try to repeat that.
It's a VRRY crowded market and consolidation the screen size is smart. Making the phones interact with us as humans is genius because looking down at my phone for a total of 3hrs combined a day feels unnatural in my neck - I do body build!
I want real world performance not a spec sheet that doesn't perform!!
I just bought a Z5 full retail and I'm very happy. I'll get the Z5C as a backup especially when travelling. I'll see the upgrade to the Xperia X Performance or whatever Sony brings next year. Not going to cry over spilt milk cause they made a very conscious and rational change in their product lineup.
Grow up.
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AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware. my biggest problem with the X series is the price range sony is placing the devices at giving it's specs, nothing else. I don't feel like an X performance is worth 700eur to upgrade from my Z2 (i would get a better cpu and camera, nothing else...i can get a z5p for less than 600eur and it still feels like a better option than the x for me).
IF you feel like it's worth it buy it, enjoy it, and stop criticizing other people opinions. I don't have a sentimental attachment to any brand so it's easy for me to choose the device that fits my needs for the best price am i not free to do that?
Honestly if i change to another brand the only thing i'll miss it's the great dev community sony has here at xda. and that doesn't include you obviously

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AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware.
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But going by your own logic there, the Xperia X is a worthy flagship, no?
It has the fastest cpu,
It has the fastest ram
It has improved screen,
It has stereo speakers
And the improved camera.
Take it from me, I have no intention in buying X, because I have Z5p. But come IFA, the letter won't mean jack if the specs match my expectations of a flagship.
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It has the fastest cpu --> check (x performance only)
It has the fastest ram --> only 3gb, benchmarks not available yet so not sure it'll be the fastest ram available.
It has improved screen --> maybe be improved color wise but it's smaller and the same technology.
It has stereo speakers --> check (and if i go to another brand i'll definitively miss the front stereo speakers a LOT )
And the improved camera --> somewhat, will have to see after the device is released
For a sony 2016 flagship i think it's missing usb 3.0 connectivity (deal breaker for me in 2016) , a bigger battery, 4gb of ram and at the very least 64gb of FAST internal storage. Wireless charging and an ir blaster would be an welcome bonus but not a deal breaker.
The screen size drop to 5.0" makes no sense to me either especially given the 68.1% screen-to-body ratio. 5.2 or 5.5" as in z5p would be fine.
AGAIN i'll have to reinforce I NEVER said the x series is a sh*t device (quote me if a did), i'm just stating my personal opinion that it doesn't feel like a true flagship, especially for the 700eur price.
Anyway this will be the last post i'll make on this thread. I have only stated MY opinion, i've not been aggressive/stupid and i did not make any personal attack against anyone. I don't know why some people are turning this into a personal war, and i do have better stuff to do with my time so i'm out.

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AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware. my biggest problem with the X series is the price range sony is placing the devices at giving it's specs, nothing else. I don't feel like an X performance is worth 700eur to upgrade from my Z2 (i would get a better cpu and camera, nothing else...i can get a z5p for less than 600eur and it still feels like a better option than the x for me).
IF you feel like it's worth it buy it, enjoy it, and stop criticizing other people opinions. I don't have a sentimental attachment to any brand so it's easy for me to choose the device that fits my needs for the best price am i not free to do that?
Honestly if i change to another brand the only thing i'll miss it's the great dev community sony has here at xda. and that doesn't include you obviously
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Spoken like a true child.
My post makes perfect sense but I see already you're beginning to backpedal from someone whom just quoted you. I'll break it down for you.
1. only a child on forums (cliché of the last 4yrs) claims someone who doesn't agree with their opinion about a brand works for said brand (first bold quote above). Hence why I said grow up!
2. When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device
^ I stated that sales are affecting Sony's decision here to consolidate screen size and the specs along with shipping times and the brand sub-model here. SPECIFICATIONS like Skills or knowledge means nothing. It's sales to a company that continues to be a going-concern (accounting term) to make revenues that turn into profits and when sales don't go in that regard changes are inevitable for good or for worse, get used to this regardless if you don't like or do like the device ... change is here and in perfect timing. And like skills or knowledge both mean nothing without the means and the will to act ... using them (like drawing talent in a child that doesn't wish to pursue a career in that regard, drawing or visual arts is a useless skill).
3. great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery
Xperia Z5 Premium boasted the best screen (at least in terms of resolution and ppi).
The LG G Pro also released in April 2014 as teh Z2 had Li-Ion 3200 mAh battery http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g_pro_2-6052.php
having a huge battery ... means nothing if the cpu, screen, storage and ram guzzles. Battery consumption efficiency and recharging efficiency is KEY because it's all about using the device.
4. Price ... this is a HUGE concern for what you get. No disagreements here from me ... BUT I did specifically state it's about getting more sales but more profits (the key) for Sony.
3 phones all sharing 5" LCD displays and resolution
All have the same storage options - consolidating and benefiting on economies of scale.
what you get vs what you loose in bold below. I've left out the battery because nobody knows the talk-time (continuous) standby time or continuous video/music playback times between the two on a production phone BUT if it increases you may reconsider.
XPeria X Performance (slightly smaller by dimensions but not Z5 Compact
5.0 inches (~68.1% screen-to-body ratio)
1080 x 1920 pixels (~441 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch: Yes, up to 10 fingers
Qualcomm MSM8996 Snapdragon 820
Dual-core 2.15 GHz Kryo & dual-core 1.6 GHz Kryo
Adreno 530
Primary Camera: 23 MP, f/2.0, 24mm, phase detection autofocus, LED flash
Secondary Camera: 13 MP, f/2.0, 22mm, 1/3" sensor size, 1080p, HDR
Bluetooth: v4.2, A2DP, apt-X, LE
Radio: NONE
USB: microUSB v2.0, USB Host
Xperia Z5
5.2 inches (~69.6% screen-to-body ratio)
1080 x 1920 pixels (~428 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch: Yes, up to 10 fingers
Qualcomm MSM8994 Snapdragon 810
Quad-core 1.5 GHz Cortex-A53 & Quad-core 2.0 GHz Cortex-A57
Adreno 430
Primary Camera: 23 MP, f/2.0, 24mm, phase detection autofocus, LED flash
Secondary Camera: 5.1 MP, f/2.4, 1080p, HDR
Bluetooth: v4.1, A2DP, apt-X
Radio: FM radio with RDS
USB: microUSB v2.0 (MHL 3 TV-out), USB Host
- ANT+ support
- Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic
At the end of the day your opinions are yours to make ... just stop being so childish about it and realize you can VOTE with your hard earned cheddar! Seems you didn't get this the first time around.

Why the fight?
I agree with @ptmaniac that its a decent phone; but its targeted for mid-rangers because the price is definitely a deal-breaker for specs like that of mid-2015.
Sony has made VERY GOOD phones in the past but coming up with X series with little to no improvements - puts the deal off. (4gb RAM, AMOLED Screen, at-least Better photo Quality on your phones when you use the same sensor you distribute to others) (My Note5, costing lesser, will defeat XP on all grounds. Wait till the phone comes in market and check out the comparison people do).
I myself have been a user of Z1 Compact (A true mini flagship) for 1.5 years, but NOW Sony doesn't feel like they are giving any value-for-money devices.
+1 on the support for Sony devices on xda. Kudos to every1 on that.
Its a personal opinion in the end. You want to buy, please go ahead and enjoy
We just dont feel like spending 700 for a mid-ranger specd phone.

Don't say we when you mean you. Again its a difference of opinion and view. Not a fight. We've already worked out our views in PM. No need to investigate.
The Z5compact is also a true small form flagship device: none has the same 810 CPU with 2GB ram and 32GB internal storage! None.
Since you're talking about a 3generation old phone you haven't seen value for the dollar in almost 3yrs not sure how you're even mentioning about this product. You mention awaiting for comparison but state camera should be better? Conundrum?

Google Pixel 2/XL 2 Indian Discussion Thread.

With 2 weeks to go, the excitement is palpable. For stock Android fans this is the only option.
Indian fans, time to get discussing on the upcoming "designed by Google" beauty.
Introduction
Ask more of your phone! Welcome to the world of cohesiveness - software and hardware designed to work together.
Specifications
The Pixel 2 features a 5-inch Cinematic 127-mm full-HD (1080x1920) display, while the Pixel 2 XL features a 6-inch QHD+ (2880 x 1440) P-OLED at 538ppi with 18:9 ratio. Both the displays also come equipped with 3D Corning Gorilla Glass 5. Neither of the handsets have the 3.5mm headphone jack, so there is that you should keep in mind before you place the order. It wasn't immediately clear how soon customers in India will be able to place an order for either of the smartphones.
The Google Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL are powered by Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 SoC and 4GB of RAM. The handsets come in 64GB and 128GB storage variants. The Pixel 2 has a 2700mAh battery, while the Pixel 2 XL has a 3520mAh battery. On the photography front, the Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL offer the industry-best camera sensors. Both the phones house a 12.2-megapixel rear camera with f/1.8 aperture and optical and electronic image stabilisation. The front facing 8-megapixel camera has an aperture of f/2.4.
Distinguishing features
Software
Google Pixel 2 ships with Android 8.0.0 Oreo, with a minimum of three years of OS and security updates promised. With Google Pixel, the company had introduced a new Pixel launcher and a host of other Pixel Exclusive features. This time around, Google Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL ship with a new Android launcher.
Google Assistant now with Google Lens
Google’s answer to Siri and Alexa is one of the Pixel’s biggest features. Google Assistant is even more advanced and capable; With a year of improvements it’s even more contextually aware to what’s happening on your devices and can tap into popular third-party apps like WhatsApp and OpenTable. The lens feature is completely mindblowing and worth the long wait - exclusive for Pixel owners for now!
Pixel Camera
Exceeds Expectations!
Camera is one of the fronts where Google has made significant improvements. Google’s Pixel 2 smartphone now includes optical image stabilisation and support for ‘bokeh’ feature among others. The 12.2MP rear camera comes with 1.4μm aperture size, autofocus with laser and dual pixel phase detection as well as f/1.8 aperture. Bokeh feature is mostly limited to dual camera phones, but Google says Pixel 2 takes advantage of advanced software to achieve bokeh-styled photos.
Google Pixel gets a 12.3 MP camera with f/2.0 aperture, and 1.55μm pixels. Other features include autofocus, phase detection autofocus, laser detection autofocus, and dual LED flash. The front camera in both Pixel and Pixel 2 is 8MP with 1.4μm pixels, and f/2.4 aperture.
Unlimited backups of photos and 4K videos at original quality
Pixel buyers get worry-free backup with Google Photos. All photos and videos (even 4K recordings) can be backed up — for free — with Google's cloud service. Full resolution backups are promised till 2020.
24/7 voice and chat support
If you’ve got a problem with either Pixel phone, you can head to the settings menu and immediately launch a voice call or chat session with Google’s customer support team. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. From there, you can also choose to allow screen sharing so that the Google employee can control your device and show you firsthand how to fix whatever's not working right.
What about India?
India is among the first wave of countries that the new Pixels will be available in. While the Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL will be available from over 1,000 offline stores in the country, they will be exclusively available online via Flipkart. The smartphones will be up for pre-orders in India on October 26 - the former goes on sale on November 1 and the latter on November 15.
Prices
Pixel 2 (64GB) : Rs. 61,000
Pixel 2 XL (64GB) : Rs. 73,000
Pixel 2 (128GB) : Rs. 70,000
Pixel 2 XL (128GB) : Rs. 82,000

A little pricey.. but I cant wait for it.
Wonder if we'll be getting any freebies.. No mini here, as its not supported in India. Maybe they'll include a pair of USB-C headphones in the box which they arent doing in the US.

rkial said:
A little pricey.. but I cant wait for it.
Wonder if we'll be getting any freebies.. No mini here, as its not supported in India. Maybe they'll include a pair of USB-C headphones in the box which they arent doing in the US.
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Yeah well all phone companies have lost it as far as pricing is concerned. Im hoping atleast 10,000 cashback though. Especially because Pixel resale in India is abysmal.

nishant786 said:
Yeah well all phone companies have lost it as far as pricing is concerned. Im hoping atleast 10,000 cashback though. Especially because Pixel resale in India is abysmal.
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Its not just India. Resale of this device is terrible. And now that devs have sworn off of them I bet the price will most likely go down for resale value.

zelendel said:
Its not just India. Resale of this device is terrible. And now that devs have sworn off of them I bet the price will most likely go down for resale value.
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Any reason why devs are staying away?

Flipkart is a rip off when it comes to resale. It doesn't seem to care whether you have a pixel 64 or 125 gig version. I've noticed that its exchange quotes different prices for the same phone, while trying to buy different phones (Eg. Galaxy s8 vs s7) Cashify in fact offers way better selling price. Pixel 2 XL being 73k, I for one really need to get my current xl off first - but definitely not at some throwaway 10k.

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Any reason why devs are staying away?
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Dual partition layout makes developing for it a huge pain. To a point that some have added it to things to avoid when getting a device. Also you lose things do to Google using a lot of closed Sourced system files on the device.

zelendel said:
Dual partition layout makes developing for it a huge pain. To a point that some have added it to things to avoid when getting a device. Also you lose things do to Google using a lot of closed Sourced system files on the device.
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Would agree... Nexus was the love child and pixel is more like you remember t&c on condom packets stating 97% effectiveness... Well u r that 3% ....
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nishant786 said:
Yeah well all phone companies have lost it as far as pricing is concerned. Im hoping atleast 10,000 cashback though. Especially because Pixel resale in India is abysmal.
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Which one are you going for 64 or 128 pixel 2 xl???

rohit25 said:
Which one are you going for 64 or 128 pixel 2 xl???
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64gb ofcourse. 82k is a little too insane. Plus I hardly crossed 20gb on my 128 Pixel last year and that was a big mistake.

zelendel said:
Dual partition layout makes developing for it a huge pain. To a point that some have added it to things to avoid when getting a device. Also you lose things do to Google using a lot of closed Sourced system files on the device.
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I don't see how long devs can avoid DP though. I have a feeling it would be standard on most phones in a couple of years - the benefits are too many for oems.
Ironically it was hailed by the dev community initially - claims of easy dual booting etc.

Damn way too costly for regular users to buy either Pixel or IPhone. Not sure where are we heading too, from a 25k Nexus 4 to 80k phones..

manishdev said:
Damn way too costly for regular users to buy either Pixel or IPhone. Not sure where are we heading too, from a 25k Nexus 4 to 80k phones..
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Manish although I agree that phone prices are getting preposterous. However i feel that it's unfair comparing the Pixel to the Nexus 4. The Pixel is on a higher level than the Nexus6/6p. The Nexus 4/5 although cheap, were cheap because of hardware compromises. Screens, cameras, builds were all in line with the price. With the Nexus 6 we started seeing actually flagship level hardware. Pixels are even higher because now they are trying to use the best hardware, best software and MOST IMPORTANT are spending a buttload on marketing. This last thing gives us nothing but is essential if Google has to continue making excellent iPhone level hardware.
In any case, I have seen some spectacular deals on last year's Pixel devices. And the new Pixels aren't a huge leap over last year's Pixels. Maybe try those? I promise they are worth it.
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The reviews are out... It being a all day battery... Awesome speakers and even awesome camera... The display is good.. but compare it to others and it would fail... Look at it individually and we good...
Must buy is all I heard and read...

Ordered mine from USA. My relative will bring it on Nov 5 to India. Hope so it gets delivered before he leaves for India.

virani_joush said:
Ordered mine from USA. My relative will bring it on Nov 5 to India. Hope so it gets delivered before he leaves for India.
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Black color ??? Also I do that think it's readily available... Might be wrong though

Yupp black colour. Ya it will be readily available in India. But it's my birthday so... Just treating myself little early..

Any idea when the display units will be in store?
I really want to see one in person

rkial said:
Any idea when the display units will be in store?
I really want to see one in person
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Not before end November.... Like last year and the year before that.... These phones don't ship before November end

rohit25 said:
Not before end November.... Like last year and the year before that.... These phones don't ship before November end
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The smaller one is shipping at the end of Oct. The 2 XL will go on sale on 15th Nov.
Pre orders start on 26th Oct.
And the Pixels last year went on sale in Oct too. I bought mine in Oct.
the 2XL is going on Sale in the UK on 15th Nov too, but they have had the demo units in stores for a few days now. We should be getting one pretty soon.

I have been reading too many horror stories about the colour saturation and tint on the Pixel 2 XL screen. Unless we see the phone in person, it would be difficult to make a judgement. Not sure how much this issue will affect sales here in India.
Happy Diwali to everyone!