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it costs $215 to manufacture, there will be a bit more in distribution and software.
http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns-Manufacturing-and-Pricing/News/Pages/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-Carries-$205-Bill-of-Materials-iSuppli-Teardown-Reveals.aspx
that's a resounding yes from me
I saw this earlier and I understand the obscene profit margins are commonplace so I have disregarded it. I think it should have been cheaper definitely. I feel if someone is just in the market for a tablet and isn't really into Android it wouldn't get a second look as it doesn't have any SUPER AMAZING BLEEDING EDGE killer functions to take the shine off the iPad and I don't think it offers enough new things to appeal to a lot of hardcore android followers. Galaxy S having problems certainly hasn't helped.
Market share = excellent hardware + near enough faultless software + 20% lower than apple product
They should have thrown in the Keyboard at this price and maybe Co-Pilot or something
I think the Tab is a LITTLE overpriced, but not monstrously.
The best way to assess this matter is to compare it to its contemporaries, such as the iPad. Now, I won't go in to a full comparison here, but I wil simply say that the Tab does more than the iPad, and yet costs about as much as one.
Not too shabby
I think it should be $100 cheaper ($400 wifi, $500 3G).
But considering the current state of competition, it's no surprise they are charging as much as they are.
Why don't you make is possible to vote for this?
I really don't think it's overpriced. It's a bit cheaper than its immediate rival, the 3G+WiFi iPad, and around here at least, that puts it right in the same ballpark as most of the other newer higher end phones.
The Tab goes for between 900 and 1100$ here in Switzerland, which is almost identical to the prices of the various iPhone 4 models. Galaxy S goes for a bit less (around 100$ less in most places). Considering that the Tab is clearly the most attractive of the available devices, being near the top of the price scale seems justified.
Btw, if google is to be trusted in this matter, it seems the manufactoring costs for the iPhone 4 are around 180$. Again, seems to be comparable.
for it is cheap here in indonesia.. only about us$700 50$ cheaper than galaxy s and 100$ expensiver than iphone4
I got my tab for 650 euros. Similar ipad is 600.
It IS slightly too expensive, but the raw materials cost breakdown doesn't tell the whole story, you also have to consider
R&D
Internal Testing
Manufacturing
Shipping
Support
Local Taxes
Plus a healthy profit (we all want to make some money).
Considering all that, plus that I am happy to support Android vs Apple, I find it slightly too expensive, but not enough to make me change my mind.
Overpriced? Yes. Awesomeley awesome? Also yes.
But it really is a well-built, svelte device i would much rather carry with me than an ipad. Since i take my laptop (timelinex 3820tg) almost everywhere anyway, why would i want a device of similar size?
When the second gen tegra tablets arrive i will certaily get a 10 inch device to have at home. To play with in front of the telly or read papers on the loo. But for now this is the best mobile slate on the market, and i have no reservations about dishing out the $1200 they cost here in russia.
So good is the tab that i have even convinced a hardcore iphoney friend of mine to get one instead of an ipad. Hes over the moon with joy.
In Thailand a 16 GB version is the same price as the Samsung Galaxy S $772.6046 US.
If it was $500 US I would pick one up as soon as it was back in stock, But it seams there is high demand here so why not get as much as you can for you product while you can. We all know there will be a flood of Android devices soon then they will be a dime a dozen just like the apple I phone 3 is here now.
I find it slightly suspicious that iSuppli has decided it costs ~$10 to put the Tab together but hasn't quoted manufacturing costs in the past for other devices, just the price of components.
So, with that in mind, I'm going to base what I say purely on the estimated cost of parts.
So on top of that ~$205 value (which is in itself a rough estimate and may not be accurate), there's the cost of putting it together, distributing it, marketing it, R&D for both hardware and software and then a profit margin because, lets face it, Samsung are not a charity.
And that's just before we reach the price that Samsung are selling it on for, there's a whole extra layer of distribution and marketing costs for individual retailers plus their profit margin as well plus the possibility that there's a distributor between Samsung and the retailer, who will have their own costs and profit margin to add on too.
Comparing the cost of the parts to what we pay is a waste of time.
Comparing the value of the parts and the price we pay to other devices is a slightly better way of rating a product's value - the parts are worth more than the iPhone's but the Tab (here in the UK at least) costs about the same as the 16GB iPhone4 and less than the 32GB one.
What I will say though is that the plans being offered by UK networks for the Tab are a rip-off but that's a separate matter.
Picked up my Tab yesterday from PC World for £499 without contract/SIM, and that's bang on the price point I expected it to ship at. If you view the Tab as essentially a cell phone with a larger screen and battery, I'd say at that price point it comes in pretty favourably when compared to similar cell phones (e.g. Galaxy S, Desire HD etc).
I do love it when you get these teardowns that supposedly calculate the "cost" of a product, but in reality all this is the bill of materials, and fails to take into account everything else involved in designing, developing, sourcing, manufacturing, advertising, distributing, retailing, and supporting a product!
Make no mistake, Samsung will have to sell an awful lot of these to actually turn a profit on the line.
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Dave
I bought mine from Currys (which is a sister company to PC-World, both owned by Dixons Plc.). It cost 499 GBP/£ with a free voice/data SIM card (and dongle, in my case) on a rolling contract (15 GBP/month, but can be deactivated and restarted at any time). It's expensive, but on a par with other high-end smartphones and tablets.
I will try the 10" Advent Vega tablet when it comes out on November 18 (250 GBP Tegra 2 device), but to be honest I am really pleased with the 7" form factor, which manages to be pocketable whilst offering a touch experience that doesn't hurt my eyes after 10 minutes (unlike small mobile phone displays).
A note about the Galaxy Tab display: there are mixed reviews, some say the view angles, color saturation and crispness are great, others the contrary (they even say there is ghosting due to the slow refresh rate). I think both camps are right: this is clearly not the best display on the touch market (the IPS screen on the iPhone / iPad just looks awesome !), but conversely it is clearly amongst the better ones. The Android firmware offers settings in the configuration panel to adjust the white/black balance and saturation. The manual brightness adjustment also needs to be used to get the best results depending on the environment. As for ghosting: yeah, the fonts sometimes look a little jagged when scrolling screens, but it's really not a big deal at all (it's not perceivable with most apps, to be honest).
I bought mine from currys.co.uk @ £499 through quidco so got a voucher for £25 off plus 3% cashback. So totally I paid £464.
However I still think its a bit (not much) too expensive. If Samsumg could have sold it @ £399 - £429 it would be perceived as much more value for money by the masses. I totally agree with previous poster about the UK networks overcharging for the Tab. Total cost of ownership over a 2yr contract totalling over £1k is taking the piss.
Now for me the Tab ticks all the boxes so even @ £499 I'd still buy it. One complaint I have is that Samsung could have at least thrown in some sort of protective case even it was one of those cheap neoprene type ones.
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Total cost of ownership over a 2yr contract totalling over £1k is taking the piss.
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That's the networks.
They'll happily subsidise a ~£500 phone down to nothing up-front on a £30-35/month 24 months contract, so why should a tablet cost so much more?
Depends how we look at it...
When my SGS was released, the cheapest I could find for 16gb version was £530
So placing it within the mobile market, which they have done, gives it quite an attractive price point at £500.
However, I was expecting, and still expect to see tablets placed within the laptop market at half the price of this.
i will also pay $1000+ for the rumored galaxy tab 2, especially if it has amoled tech
I currently own the HTC HD2 it cost me £499 but I brought the Samsung Galaxy tab because I am so disappointed with Microsoft’s market place. The tab cost me £475 to buy SIM free. It is an amazing product the screen is bright and big enough to use in all types of environments. I am still finding my way around the product having used only windows mobile phones but Android is easier to use.
The Android market place is fantastic lots of free software to try; I have downloaded several and removed them without crashing the operating system.
The price of Samsung Galaxy Tab is value for money when comparing it with the IPAD and my HTC HD 2 because I now only carry one device instead of two.
I think they priced it as they did so that when they release the next version they can keep the price the same but add SAMOLED, more RAM, and more internal storage...making it a relative bargain.
The price does seem a little high for the current iteration, but it will still sell well because it is a capable device that offers an open approach to media.
peer pressure
If the iphone and other high end phones cost around £500 there is no way they can price a quality item as the tab below those so early.
sadly that is how the market works
Whilst we await the official price of the Galaxy Note from Samsung there has been several pre-order prices from on line retailers suggesting it will cost around £600 which seems expensive. The pre-order price of the Galaxy S2 was around £550 which makes the Galaxy Note price seem more reasonable when the extra performance and features are taken into account. Samsung are hoping that the Galaxy Note will be able to replace the small smart phone and large tablet for most people thus making it a game changer. Only time will tell.
Well, it obviously doesn't say anything for certain, but here in NZ it's up for preorder at NZ$1169, an unconscionable ~$40 premium over the S2's launch price. (And don't bother converting that price to USD, we pay a lot more for tech over here.)
It was adjusted up to that value about a week ago, too.
I really don't think Samsung would price it *that* exorbitantly, outlandishly large phones don't sell well as it is (cough*streak*cough) so pricing it out of the reach of the people who do want them isn't a terribly sound strategy.
Please refer to THIS post
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Ok, so everyone today is pre-ordering on amazon or wherever you can go to get it without tax... good for them... but not me.
I will own a Note 10.1 2014, around the time it comes out, so I'm already committed to the purchase.
The one on pre-order at Amazon is the Exynos WIFI only.
I think I'd rather by the 4gLTE/WIFI one at ATT. Here is why:
-I get the Snapdragon 800 and Adreno GPU which I've been reading is pretty much the best over the Exynos.
-Developers love making custom ROMS with those Qualcomm chips (bloat removal)
-I can pull the SIM card out of my ATT Samsung S4 and plug it into my tablet when I feel like going online with it.
-I buy it from ATT unlocked, spend the same amount of money as the one on Amazon, and I get the above features for free.
Now... the reasons for getting the one on Amazon:
-I can order it now and have a good chance of it shipping out on the release date.
-You can say that Samsung has announced that they will unlock the dormant 4 cores of the 8core Exynos in the future.... but did they promise you that they would enable it on the Note 10.1 2014? No. No promises whatsoever. You'd be setting yourself up for some serious disappointment if you bought the Exynos, expecting it to happen, and then they enable it with the next device. If an active 8-core tablet is what you MUST HAVE, then wait until they ship a product with an active 8core tablet... not when they announce that some day it will happen.
I'm just waiting for ATT to have a pre-order or a release page come up for their 4G/LTE/WIFI tablet.
Anyone poke holes in my logic?
Where did you fund a price that was the same between the two? Thw lte one costs several hundred dollars more accounting fir the cost of the contract.
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Where did you fund a price that was the same between the two? Thw lte one costs several hundred dollars more accounting fir the cost of the contract.
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Can you share a link to the contract and price?
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Can you share a link to the contract and price?
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The note 2014 isn't listed yet but it's always been the case for mobile/lte devices that they cost several hundred dollars more in the US accounting for the cost of contract. If the LTE version really did cost the same, why the hell would anyone buy the WiFi only version?
wait, if we pre-order it on amazon, we don't need to pay for tax, but if we order it later we have to?! why is it like that?!
how about for best buy?
(I'm new to US, can somebody clear that up for me pls?)
Two answers.
To the first, I want to buy the tablet, full price, no contract. I'll pay the non-subsidized price, to get it unlocked and without the contract. With my ATT SIM, I'll just drop it in whenever I feel like. That has to be an option... You take the contract for the subsidy. It wouldn't make sense for me to buy the tablet at full price plus a service contract, and then the next day I cancel the contract AND get a late fee. Am I wrong about that? Educate the thread.
State sales tax is different in every state. I'm in California and Amazon charges sales tax. I researched it and if I were to buy the Exynos... I was going to buy from TigerDirect since they don't charge CA Sales Tax.
Still not convinced to go the Exynos path...
-Lox
Having owned devices based on both Snapdragon and Exynos.
Samsung fab is better than TSMC so this results in better idle battery life so when you leave it idle for days it hardly drops battery life, is cooler running and with better stability.
Exynos performance is more consistent as it tends to keep more cores active and the clock rate higher. In contrast, Snapdragon aggressively disables cores where there is usually only one active and runs the clock rate low so the performance is inconsistent like what I experience with Snapdragon 600 on Nexus 7 2013.
Related to the above, Droidfish app nodes per second rate on the Note 3 Exynos is nearly double that of the Note 3 Snapdragon.
Undecided on GPU between the two since it's not clear if Exynos 5420 will have T628 or PowerVR GPU.
Evening,
I've pre-ordered the Pixel 128gb in Quite Black (the blue wasn't available--waaah!) and an XL to test which is best for me. Estimated delivery 24-26th Oct.
How about you?
i preordered the 32gb in black, Oct 24, 2016 – Oct 26
i think i read somewhere blue is exclusive to the US
up on CPW with £50 play voucher and shipping by 20th! Damn you El goog
https://www.carphonewarehouse.com/google/pixel.html#!colour=silver&capacity=32GB&dealType=pm
Contracts are a bit steep!
Way way too expensive for me. :crying:
Looks like it will be the one plus 3 for me.
I'm still on my M7 which I bought for £480 when it was new.
So yeaaaah I was not prepared for these prices.
I'd probably pay £550 for a 128GB, 5" Pixel. But that's a full £150 less than what it currently is. I can't justify that, no way.
Guess I'll wait.
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I'm still on my M7 which I bought for £480 when it was new.
So yeaaaah I was not prepared for these prices.
I'd probably pay £550 for a 128GB, 5" Pixel. But that's a full £150 less than what it currently is. I can't justify that, no way.
Guess I'll wait.
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M7 here too. Really had my hopes up when rumours of an HTC Nexus started. Now the Pixel is here I can't justify the cost. There's nothing extraordinary and the real killer for me is the software update support hasn't been changed from the Nexus.
I pre ordered the Pixel 32gb then cancelled the order when my sanity kicked back in. I'm just going to keep my Nexus 6P for another year. I can live without google assistant and the pixel launcher. That being said I am really excited to see what google does with the pixel brand.
I ordered the Pixel 128GB in black from CPW - tried to order on the Google Store, but it broke (clicked to confirm purchase and it just looked at me like a demented labrador). Same price as a ludicrously expensive iPhone 7, but I wanted a 'pure android' phone with the latest updates, enough storage and wanted it to fit comfortably in my pocket - so either pay silly money or compromise on one of my three requirements.
Website initially indicated delivery date of October 20th, but showed October 21st when I ordered. Presumably at these prices there won't be the long waiting lists that there were for the 6P and the 5.
I was very disappointed to see that the pricing is inline with the Apple iPhone 7. Weird, as previous Google phones (Nexus) were priced considerably much lower. I wonder where the spike in price has come from? Google trying to be as greedy as Apple?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-Electronics-Nexus-5X-Smartphone/dp/B016B7INC2/ref=sr_1_2?m=A2OAJ7377F756P&s=warehouse-deals&ie=UTF8&qid=1475646411&sr=1-2 Nexus 5X 32 GB UK, Amazon Warehouse Deal - £231.59
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Huawei-Nexus-Smartphone-32GB-Silver/dp/B017EOVF8U/ref=sr_1_5?s=telephone&ie=UTF8&qid=1475646540&sr=1-5&keywords=nexus+6p Huawei Nexus 6P 4G, from £349.99
Massive price difference compared to the new Google Pixel!
The blue colour kinda looks a bit too plastic for my liking
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NVM.
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I pre ordered the Pixel 32gb then cancelled the order when my sanity kicked back in. I'm just going to keep my Nexus 6P for another year. I can live without google assistant and the pixel launcher. That being said I am really excited to see what google does with the pixel brand.
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This is XDA, I am sure your 6P will be able to get the Pixel Launcher and or Assistant. If you root it, in time you'll probably get the same Pixel experience on your 6P.
So So disappointed with the pixel phones and their prices, what was Google thinking?
Mine's on order from CPW. Delivery for 20th October. It was expensive but I figured if I didn't order it, every day I would waste time thinking about ordering it. I was like this with the Moto Z; ordered it, and then sent it back.
Thinking now though...would the Moto Z be a better phone in the end...hmmmm
I may have accidentally ordered one (Black 128GB) direct from the Google Store as I'm thinking the customer services will be better based on past experience if I get any problems.
I was torn between the Pixel and Pixel XL. Given I have a 6P the XL would have been the natural choice, however I don't think I can justify the extra cost (hard enough to justify as it is). Plenty of time to cancel/change my mind though
Same here @Azarin. 128gb in black.
The XL price was just a stretch too far, plus, I only have small hands
Ordered from Google, IMO the customer support is better than CPW. I have sent things back to google in the past without issue.
Soon I will be retiring my Honor 5x (which was a standby phone after my MotoX Style broke, and they couldn't repair it...long story..)
I've been hanging on to my HTC One M8 waiting on the new phones to be announced. The price is quite steep but is compounded by the raw deal for UK purchases.
The Pixel is 650 USD in the US which is just under 510GBP. In the US you get the DayDream Viewer chucked in as a sweetener - but not in the UK. If you want to buy that (once available) its an additional 69 GBP
So, UK price for the pack is 668GBP v 510 GBP for the same in the US......which seems to be completely taking the p!ss - 30% dearer...
I'm wondering if I should sensibly look at something else - Oneplus 3??
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I've been hanging on to my HTC One M8 waiting on the new phones to be announced. The price is quite steep but is compounded by the raw deal for UK purchases.
The Pixel is 650 USD in the US which is just under 510GBP. In the US you get the DayDream Viewer chucked in as a sweetener - but not in the UK. If you want to buy that (once available) its an additional 69 GBP
So, UK price for the pack is 668GBP v 510 GBP for the same in the US......which seems to be completely taking the p!ss - 30% dearer...
I'm wondering if I should sensibly look at something else - Oneplus 3??
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Op3 tempting but bigger than I really want.
I've pre-ordered on EE with an early upgrade, only a few days early.
Will this phone have loads of **** installed from EE or will this be just a google phone?
I hate it when carriers put their **** on it!
I'm a big OnePlus fan myself, but I have to question the big price hike for the 8 pro this year, even compared to last years OnePlus 7 Pro.
OnePlus made their name by selling near flagship spec'd phones, but minus some features, and had a near vanilla stock Android UI, and all that for a super budget affordable price. I bought the OnePlus One for $299, and LOVED that phone, at that time flagships like the latest iPhone 6 Plus and Samsung Galaxy were selling for $749.
I get it, that super cheap price wasn't going to last forever with OnePlus, and I expected some creep up in pricing each model, but F me, not $1,000+ now. Sorry but screw that price for a OnePlus phone, or heck any phone for that matter. I think a fair price for the OnePlus 8 Pro should be like in the $699 / $749 range.
Some of their best models and pricing at launch;
OnePlus One was $299/$349 @ launch
OnePlus 3T was $439 @ launch
OnePlus 5T was $499 @ launch
OnePlus 6T was $549 @ launch
OnePlus 7 Pro was $669 @ launch
OnePlus 8 Pro is currently $900+
So it seems each year OnePlus increased the price anywhere from $50 to $100 annually. Lets do the middle which would be $75 per year, so 6 years later that's approx. $450, add that to the $300 price of the original OnePlus One, and that would put the OnePlus 8 Pro @ approx. $750, which to me is fair, not bad. But $1,000 NO WAY.
My question, the 7 Pro was $670 @ launch, now the 8 Pro is $900 @ launch, that's a huge jump up in price between the 7P and 8P, by far their biggest leap in pricing between model years. Because OnePlus have been on an annual trend of $50 to $100 price increases each year, then all of a sudden a massive $225+ increase from last year.
theres alot of things added that upped the price of the phone, 5g , chipset , display , water rating , wireless charge, refresh rate and more. if you think they can just lower the price of the phone whats the point of having a businses if theyre is no profit. at least i can say even they have this profit margin on it its not like iphones price range.
It's all in the marketing...
We always saw OnePlus as offering Flagship killers to compete with the big companies, Apple & Samsung. What better way to gain a following than offer phones that compete with the latest flagships and are priced starkly lower?
OnePlus has just been introduced to the market, relative to the big boy brands. But now they are moving into actually competing with the flagships, it's no longer Apple & Samsung, now OnePlus will be among them. The OnePLus 8 Pro is the company's very first true flagship. It offers things that every OnePlus device to date didn't; Wireless Charging, IP65 water & dust resistance rating, 120hz display, a massive camera upgrade, and of course 5G.
Simply put, OnePlus is moving into its new home, into true flagship territory.
The main thing is the inclusion of the 5G radio on all the models. Qualcomm broke out the radio portion of the chipset into a discrete unit, further adding to the price.
Waterproof
Wireless charging
5G (main reason, separate chip)
Screen
CPU / GPU
It'll stop now, this is their go to price. Won't go much higher.
It's a top of the line phone at the moment with all the latest hi-tech features that brings it over the other top brands and phones.
IP68 and some other certifications for selling officially at west. Because in india and china phone starts from 700USD. With same specs. And oneplus is expanded their business around world this year too much. Thats why they need to collect some money from west this year. And if you are located in US buying oneplus is just idiotical thing. You can get S20+ with snapdragon+mmwave support. But in EU we cannot get snapdragon S20+. Thats why it's sells in here.
I was a user of the Oneplus One and I bought it for € 300 + shipping its 64GB version. It was my everyday phone for 3 years until I sold it and bought myself a sagit. At that time I saw the tendency to raise prices, the price I think I remember increasing by about € 30 and so on, without technological justification. For implanting an nfc chip (value of € 0.0001) the prices increased by € 30 or more. For every euro or dollar that increases in production, they multiply it in an exaggerated way. I calculate that the profit margins on the phones can be 500% or more. In some cases they are creating unnecessary needs to raise prices more and more. They are looking for our limit and want to considerably separate the high, medium and low ranges. The financing of cars, telephones ... etc is being promoted. This matter is long to explain, but basically we users have to plant ourselves before it is too late, I would not like that in 5 or 10 years I will have to mortgage myself to buy a phone just as they are doing with cars. Our best weapon is not to spend more than € 400 and custom ROMs so that the durability of our phone is more than 5 years. Sales have to go down, we have to buy cheaper phones and keep our old phones as best we can. It's the best we can do to make this irreversible (although I think it already is). Long live custom ROMs and their developers, heroes.