Ok, so everyone today is pre-ordering on amazon or wherever you can go to get it without tax... good for them... but not me.
I will own a Note 10.1 2014, around the time it comes out, so I'm already committed to the purchase.
The one on pre-order at Amazon is the Exynos WIFI only.
I think I'd rather by the 4gLTE/WIFI one at ATT. Here is why:
-I get the Snapdragon 800 and Adreno GPU which I've been reading is pretty much the best over the Exynos.
-Developers love making custom ROMS with those Qualcomm chips (bloat removal)
-I can pull the SIM card out of my ATT Samsung S4 and plug it into my tablet when I feel like going online with it.
-I buy it from ATT unlocked, spend the same amount of money as the one on Amazon, and I get the above features for free.
Now... the reasons for getting the one on Amazon:
-I can order it now and have a good chance of it shipping out on the release date.
-You can say that Samsung has announced that they will unlock the dormant 4 cores of the 8core Exynos in the future.... but did they promise you that they would enable it on the Note 10.1 2014? No. No promises whatsoever. You'd be setting yourself up for some serious disappointment if you bought the Exynos, expecting it to happen, and then they enable it with the next device. If an active 8-core tablet is what you MUST HAVE, then wait until they ship a product with an active 8core tablet... not when they announce that some day it will happen.
I'm just waiting for ATT to have a pre-order or a release page come up for their 4G/LTE/WIFI tablet.
Anyone poke holes in my logic?
Where did you fund a price that was the same between the two? Thw lte one costs several hundred dollars more accounting fir the cost of the contract.
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Diogenes5 said:
Where did you fund a price that was the same between the two? Thw lte one costs several hundred dollars more accounting fir the cost of the contract.
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Can you share a link to the contract and price?
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Can you share a link to the contract and price?
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The note 2014 isn't listed yet but it's always been the case for mobile/lte devices that they cost several hundred dollars more in the US accounting for the cost of contract. If the LTE version really did cost the same, why the hell would anyone buy the WiFi only version?
wait, if we pre-order it on amazon, we don't need to pay for tax, but if we order it later we have to?! why is it like that?!
how about for best buy?
(I'm new to US, can somebody clear that up for me pls?)
Two answers.
To the first, I want to buy the tablet, full price, no contract. I'll pay the non-subsidized price, to get it unlocked and without the contract. With my ATT SIM, I'll just drop it in whenever I feel like. That has to be an option... You take the contract for the subsidy. It wouldn't make sense for me to buy the tablet at full price plus a service contract, and then the next day I cancel the contract AND get a late fee. Am I wrong about that? Educate the thread.
State sales tax is different in every state. I'm in California and Amazon charges sales tax. I researched it and if I were to buy the Exynos... I was going to buy from TigerDirect since they don't charge CA Sales Tax.
Still not convinced to go the Exynos path...
-Lox
Having owned devices based on both Snapdragon and Exynos.
Samsung fab is better than TSMC so this results in better idle battery life so when you leave it idle for days it hardly drops battery life, is cooler running and with better stability.
Exynos performance is more consistent as it tends to keep more cores active and the clock rate higher. In contrast, Snapdragon aggressively disables cores where there is usually only one active and runs the clock rate low so the performance is inconsistent like what I experience with Snapdragon 600 on Nexus 7 2013.
Related to the above, Droidfish app nodes per second rate on the Note 3 Exynos is nearly double that of the Note 3 Snapdragon.
Undecided on GPU between the two since it's not clear if Exynos 5420 will have T628 or PowerVR GPU.
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http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=201135
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I will buy one ASAP.
Why? Tablets aren't ergonomic. It's just some dodgy fad. You are MUCH better off with a netbook which is a convertable, because you can't use a tablet much except watching movies..
Whereas, a netbook convertable, you can use it as a tablet, and as a laptop.
I have like 3x netbook + 2xnotebook and just need this like 'big phone' xD
Better not be that much when it comes to NA. If it's anywhere near the price of the iPad, it wont sell. Too bad, I had high hopes.
I can't complain on price just wonder why:
- there is no AMOLED Screen
- no bigger battery ...
- no faster processor like 1.2 or something.
- WiMAX - 802.16e on 2.5 and 3.5 Ghz?
...
800 EUR is only the recommended price by the manufactor. Those are allways way of regarding to phone manufactors. The Galaxy S for example as a recommended price of 649 EUR buts sells for 450 EUR since it's start.
expansys always jack up their prices
they always charge like 200 more over other places
Don't forget that price includes exspansys tax. I'm guessing on a street price more in the lines of Euro 600.
550 pounds (USD 846, euro 660) from clove on pre order..
I think the price is too steep and it is a real pity that it doesn't have an samloed screen.
I think I will wait for the 2nd generation next on this one.....
this thing is waaaay too expensive.
I was expecting about 350-400 euros.
I'm not an apple-fanboy but it should definitely be cheaper than the ipad.
Despite the fact you can call with it, it shouldn't be more expensive then the galaxy s... The thing is bigger, no Amoled screen...it should be cheaper in production.
This thing is never gonna sell if it realy will cost bout 700 euro, never.
People won't use this as a phone and if it costs 700 euro, i would buy an ipad
u guys can find the actual price here
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/samsung-galaxy-tab-reported-to-retail-at-699-and-799-in-europe/
Expansys always have prices like £100/£200 over what they actually are. They just want to be seen as the first to offer it. I bet this will be >£400.
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u guys can find the actual price here
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/samsung-galaxy-tab-reported-to-retail-at-699-and-799-in-europe/
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Well actually you can't. It seems samsung havent released the pricing yet or at least confirmed it. So all these shops are guessing. Reading clove more carefully even their price of 550 pounds has a notice saying that the pricing is yet to be confirmed.
Maybe there is hope the prices might come down
It's going to be interesting to see exactly where this ends up being priced as I think that is what is going to make or break this device.
For me ipad will be the benchmark for price. At least 30% cheaper for tab to make it worth while.
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Cut that price in half Samsung!
Update: So we're hearing some conflicting information here. Samsung itself is telling us at IFA that no pricing has been announced and that any prices floating around are speculation -- but it seems the company has already announced a suggested retail prices of SEK 9,000 in Sweden including VAT, which works out to about $1,240 (or $930 without VAT). In other words, even after taxes have been removed from the equation, you're looking at a pretty pricey option for an unsubsidized device here. Let's hope we see some steep discounts on contract, eh?
Looks like suggested retail price is 1000euro ? 800euro looks like that will be price for this samsung tab.
Samsung Galaxy Tab Over 1000USD would you buy it?
The price and the spec of the galaxy tab is already out. You are expecting to be paying about £680 in UK for a 16GB Tab (around USD$1,050).
Are you interested in buying the galaxy tab?
How do you feel about this price point?
How well will it compete with Apple IPAD that is quite a bit cheaper?
Im assuming good old competition should bring it down to $650 american?
obviously without any carrier there is still allot of interest, ebay / amazon / newEgg, so what metrics can we use to project X savings X weeks out?
well people are posting that they bought the note for $710 on handtec.
The price might be dropping faster than even the samsung galaxy s2 did.
If you can wait 2 - 3 months, it might be less than $600 even lol. But by then, we might see some quad core phones
The dual digitizer is primarily what makes the Note more expensive then comparable devices. It's not cheap hardware to add.
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well people are posting that they bought the note for $710 on handtec.
The price might be dropping faster than even the samsung galaxy s2 did.
If you can wait 2 - 3 months, it might be less than $600 even lol. But by then, we might see some quad core phones
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i doubt your going to see an unlocked Note at $600 for quite a while. The international Galaxy S2 has been out for months and it's selling for $540-$550 from sellers on Amazon. And hardware wise the note is a lot more expensive than the S2.
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i doubt your going to see an unlocked Note at $600 for quite a while. The international Galaxy S2 has been out for months and it's selling for $540-$550 from sellers on Amazon. And hardware wise the note is a lot more expensive than the S2.
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from What I have seen on eBay...the price of the Note has dropped from $900~$1000 (on 9th Nov) to now the cheapest of $689. So that's almost $300 in 3 weeks!!!!! The price are dropping down like crazy since the release of Notes in HK.
oh...and, those prices are in AUS Dollars and on AUS eBay.......
I have been looking for a note and noticed that the prices haven't came down and have risen in some stores. Thats pretty cool and shows its a great idea.
I'm selling my and Ebay for 600
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oh yes! I seen the cheapest one from Amazon Fulfilled was $630 last month...I got mine for $680 - $10 (credit for future purchase) on 12/30/2011.
Now the cheapest from Amazon seller is $725.
It is pretty remarkable. I got it for $649 from Amazon two weeks ago...now it's approaching $800.
Prices will tank once AT&T launches so if you are on the fence today, I'd sell while it's hot.
No mine isn't for sale
I wouldn't sell if I bought unlocked international for cheaper than $650. ATT locked down and filled with bloat will suck. I wish I hadn't dropped and cracked mine. It also shows that it is a product consumers really want.
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I wouldn't sell if I bought unlocked international for cheaper than $650. ATT locked down and filled with bloat will suck. I wish I hadn't dropped and cracked mine. It also shows that it is a product consumers really want.
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I don't think it is too wise to be getting the ATT version which is a big downgrade with its Qualcomm S3, especially the international version is also compatible with its network.
We got them all over hong kong. I spent 550 usd for this one.
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Only reason why prices are going up is because less people are importing the Note now that AT&T has announced its version. I guess from their perspective, some of these gray-market importers are worried that people might no longer purchase their stock now that it is available in the US.
Less supply = Price jump.
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Only reason why prices are going up is because less people are importing the Note now that AT&T has announced its version. I guess from their perspective, some of these gray-market importers are worried that people might no longer purchase their stock now that it is available in the US.
Less supply = Price jump.
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I don't buy it new egg can't keep them in stock. On amazon they are going up in price when everything else decreases.
i have been looking for a galaxy note for a week and it is out of stock every where i have looked.
I noticed a general drop in supply and increase in demand for all devices, probably seasonal.
People want Samsung smartphones and there were supply problems. At some point, of 250 suppliers only 20 had the product in stock.
Also the S II increased in price and was/is available here in Europe for 450 euros, just 50 euros less then the Note. Supply dropped so much that even used S II could get more then 400 euros. The Note is at 500/550 euros here. Was sold out on Amazon (not amazon marketplace). At that moment the price of a used Note and a new Note were the same on Amazon Germany (marketplace).
But the Note is not the S II. The Note is a niche product and nobody knows how big this niche will be in the future.
On Ebay the best worldwide price for a new Note is 519 euros + shipping.
About the Note i717 version, it is not the same phone. The i717 version has lte but no exynos. It is has value in the US, but outside the US, in many countries it is not LTE compatible.
So outside the US, with the i717 version you do not get exynos and also do not have the benefit of LTE. And the i717 has this typically american modification of the 4 touch keys.
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I noticed a general drop in supply and increase in demand for all devices, probably seasonal.
People want Samsung smartphones and there were supply problems. At some point, of 250 suppliers only 20 had the product in stock.
Also the S II increased in price and was/is available here in Europe for 450 euros, just 50 euros less then the Note. Supply dropped so much that even used S II could get more then 400 euros. The Note is at 500/550 euros here. Was sold out on Amazon (not amazon marketplace). At that moment the price of a used Note and a new Note were the same on Amazon Germany (marketplace).
But the Note is not the S II. The Note is a niche product and nobody knows how big this niche will be in the future.
On Ebay the best worldwide price for a new Note is 519 euros + shipping.
About the Note i717 version, it is not the same phone. The i717 version has lte but no exynos. It is has value in the US, but outside the US, in many countries it is not LTE compatible.
So outside the US, with the i717 version you do not get exynos and also do not have the benefit of LTE. And the i717 has this typically american modification of the 4 touch keys.
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In the States everything but the note has dropped. The Galaxy nexus is down and available everywhere and so is the s2.
When the US major carriers get their version specific hand sets you would see a sharp drop in prices, increase number of users/modders and even other unwelcome posts in the forums. Till then enjoy
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When the US major carriers get their version specific hand sets you would see a sharp drop in prices, increase number of users/modders and even other unwelcome posts in the forums. Till then enjoy
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In the US the market for Note international is a small, unofficial, importers market.
Officially, the Note International does not exist on the normal US market. Samsung USA does not offer it or list it as an existing product.
Why should a product that does not exist on the US market fall in price?
It may even increase in price when people find out the international version is much better because it has exynos. With the price of i717 falling from everyone selling and the Note international price rising from everyone buying.
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In the US the market for Note international is a small, unofficial, importers market.
Officially, the Note International does not exist on the normal US market. Samsung USA does not offer it or list it as an existing product.
Why should a product that does not exist on the US market fall in price?
It may even increase in price when people find out the international version is much better because it has exynos. With the price of i717 falling from everyone selling and the Note international price rising from everyone buying.
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99% of the users wont care for specs, what they care is about how they get the device and how easy it will be to obtain after market support and also those phones that come free or partially paid with the contract. But lets just wait and see.
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99% of the users wont care for specs, what they care is about how they get the device and how easy it will be to obtain after market support and also those phones that come free or partially paid with the contract. But lets just wait and see.
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Does the international S2 cost more or less then the US S2 in the US?
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Does the international S2 cost more or less then the US S2 in the US?
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More but not by much.
The thing with the Note is that once you use it you realise how fantastic it is. This feeds through to reviews and word of mouth. Was playing with a friends Galaxy S2 today and it felt so underwhelming and small . Samsung have redefined PDAs with this device. Can't imagine going to anything smaller or slower.
I bought the white note 5 days ago and I love every second using it. Its pure magic...
White is truly beautiful on this device.
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But once you go black, you never go back
Normally a few months after the initial surge of interest in a product dies down, the price tends to drop a little. However for some reason the Note 10.1 2014 seems to be going up if anything here in the UK, although in the States it does appear to be dropping.
The US price is now generally around $499 (plus tax) for the wi-fi model, while the UK price has gone up from under £400 a few months ago (£365 at John Lewis I gather) to nearer £450 most places.
Does anyone know what's going on, have Samsung UK increased their suggested price or something?
Andre
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Normally a few months after the initial surge of interest in a product dies down, the price tends to drop a little. However for some reason the Note 10.1 2014 seems to be going up if anything here in the UK, although in the States it does appear to be dropping.
The US price is now generally around $499 (plus tax) for the wi-fi model, while the UK price has gone up from under £400 a few months ago (£365 at John Lewis I gather) to nearer £450 most places.
Does anyone know what's going on, have Samsung UK increased their suggested price or something?
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When I saw the UK prices, it really baulked me.
I wanted a tablet that not only worked on Wi-Fi, but 3G, 4G/LTE, but I couldn't get one, especially a 32Gb model, which I consider to be the basement model (I wouldn't even consider a 16Gb).
I nearly paid the extra for an Ipad, however I decided to do more research and in the end I imported one from HK and even when I paid the VAT on it, it came in significantly cheaper than some of the prices of the 16Gb, Wi-Fi model.
It's worth doing a little extra research and importing it yourself and get a better specified machine, at a lower price.
I could pick one up in the States next time I'm over there, but I'm a little wary of not having a proper international warranty as that caught me out once (thanks Samsung, so much for global corporations!).
16GB actually doesn't worry me as long as it has an SD card slot, much cheaper to put 64GB onto it that way than pay for a bigger base model. Well, upcoming stock KitKat stupidities notwithstanding anyway, but that won't be hard to fix.
Andre
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I could pick one up in the States next time I'm over there, but I'm a little wary of not having a proper international warranty as that caught me out once (thanks Samsung, so much for global corporations!).
16GB actually doesn't worry me as long as it has an SD card slot, much cheaper to put 64GB onto it that way than pay for a bigger base model. Well, upcoming stock KitKat stupidities notwithstanding anyway, but that won't be hard to fix.
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Why buy a 16Gb one? You can get the 32Gb version quite easily over there, but the currency conversion made it more expensive to buy it from the US, also I used PayPal to pay for it, so I had a bit of protection too.
My SM-P605 has a 64Gb card in and I'm already running low on memory, so I only hope that the new SanDisk 128Gb card comes out soon at a reasonable price.
I think a few places had them on offer just before and after christmas. Got mine from John Lewis for £399 in mid jan, took ages to find somewhere with one in stock at that price. There were quite a few places charging (or trying to) over £500! I think about £450 was the average book price but so many places were out of stock, or were trying to sell the old one still at £399........
They want to sell the new Tab 10.1 at such a high price, that they had to raise that of the note, to keep people from going straight for a note instead.
Let's be honest. Samsung charging iPad+ prices for the Pro/Note series takes balls of steel. Android tablets are bought typically by bargain seekers unwilling to pay iPad prices and are typically 7-8" and under $250. One thing iPads have always provided was a certain cache and snob appeal; everyone knows what everyone else paid. With the Pro/Note's Samsung seems to be raising the snob appeal. With the 16GB iPad Air at 399 GBP whether Samsung prices at 375 GBP or 425 GBP it's still close enough that if people really considered a high-end Android tablet as an iPad alternative they'd still buy it. I don't think someone predisposed to an iPad would say "I'll buy the Samsung Tab|Pro because I'll save 50 GBP." How many people think a high-end Android tablet is an iPad alternative is a whole different discussion and will be proven by the success (or failure) of Samsung's strategy in offering the Pro/Note series in the first place.
The G-Tab 4 certainly is a step down in design and specs so perhaps Samsung's strategy is to make the 4's their volume seller (EG: BMW 3-series) and the Pro/Note's their margin leader (EG: BMW 7-series).
Apparently the Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 10.1 will pack a 10.6″ (odd, right?) display of 1280×800 pixels resolution and will run on Snapdragon 400 chipset with a quad-core 1.2GHz Cortex-A7 processor, Adreno 305 GPU and 1.5GB of RAM. Other revealed specs are the 3MP rear and the 1.2MP front camera, 16GB internal storage (12GB actually available) and the latest Android 4.4.2 KitKat OS. Digging into the GFX Benchmark database you can also find the Galaxy Tab 4 8.0. It has absolutely the same specs but less screen estate.
I got my 32gb LTE P605 from eBay for 465. Came from HK In 3 says. No customs charges. Flashed a OEM UK firmware and all is great.
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I got my 32gb LTE P605 from eBay for 465. Came from HK In 3 says. No customs charges. Flashed a OEM UK firmware and all is great.
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And gave up your 2 year UK warranty in the process. Or you can ship it round trip to HK at your expense to have warranty repairs done there. Does Samsung UK even service grey market devices for a fee? Samsung U.S. won't. I had to ship my UK-purchased i9100 back to the UK for a cracked bezel. Caveat Emptor.
The guy I bought it from is a dealer. He will sort any warranty issues and is in the UK. I spoke to him before I bought it.
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The guy I bought it from is a dealer.
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Well as long as you know a guy, you won't need Samsung's 2-year support then.
Andre
You're right I won't. It's 0x1 anyway so I'll claim off household as accidental damage if anything happens.
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You're right I won't. It's 0x1 anyway so I'll claim off household as accidental damage if anything happens.
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Got mine from HK too. Not rooted yet but soon will and once it's 0x1 the difficulty of a warranty claim becomes irrelavent.
It cost me £439 inc. import duty.
Got a bill from FedEx . Contacted the seller and he's refunded me already! What a quality seller!
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Was looking for the international version because apparently the snapdragon chip is not as powerful.
Any Northerners on here that can give me some advice on where to get the Note 4 unlocked off contract, and preferably international ver.
700-800 is a lot so just researching as much as i can.
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Was looking for the international version because apparently the snapdragon chip is not as powerful.
Any Northerners on here that can give me some advice on where to get the Note 4 unlocked off contract, and preferably international ver.
700-800 is a lot so just researching as much as i can.
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No idea. I got my note 4 through Bell for $250 on
2year contract. Snapdragon is very powerful. Even on power saver it is very fast.
Look for deals if you can. I got mine at BestBuy for $75 with a new 2 year through Bell during Black Friday.
I was able to talk the Cell Shop manager into the best deal considering I would sign a brand new contract replacing my old 3-yr Promo one
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Was looking for the international version because apparently the snapdragon chip is not as powerful.
Any Northerners on here that can give me some advice on where to get the Note 4 unlocked off contract, and preferably international ver.
700-800 is a lot so just researching as much as i can.
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That is not true about benchmarks, it depends what your looking for. Snapdragon is for Graphics and Exynos for raw computation power.
In terms of battery they are both pretty bad, but I heard the Snapdragon also takes this by a slight margin.
Try Pacific Mall if you Live in Toronto, just watch out! Many companies (private) are pulling insurance fraud by selling you devices then claiming them stolen...you can wake up with your phone blacklisted.
IMO unless you do Ebay or Amazon (which will prob be expensive), I wouldn't think it's worth going out of your way for the Octo core. The difference aren't enough to justify the change.
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No idea. I got my note 4 through Bell for $250 on
2year contract. Snapdragon is very powerful. Even on power saver it is very fast.
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Look for deals if you can. I got mine at BestBuy for $75 with a new 2 year through Bell during Black Friday.
I was able to talk the Cell Shop manager into the best deal considering I would sign a brand new contract replacing my old 3-yr Promo one
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That is not true about benchmarks, it depends what your looking for. Snapdragon is for Graphics and Exynos for raw computation power.
In terms of battery they are both pretty bad, but I heard the Snapdragon also takes this by a slight margin.
Try Pacific Mall if you Live in Toronto, just watch out! Many companies (private) are pulling insurance fraud by selling you devices then claiming them stolen...you can wake up with your phone blacklisted.
IMO unless you do Ebay or Amazon (which will prob be expensive), I wouldn't think it's worth going out of your way for the Octo core. The difference aren't enough to justify the change.
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Thanks for the responses.
What are your thoughts on the 64 bit as another pro, for the exynos octo core chip?
i understand that 64 bit makes it possible to use 4+ gb Ram, the note has 3.
so are there any other benefits to 64 octo over 32 snapdragon?
as far as pacific mall i don't really like buying phones from them anymore.
I am checking kijijii as i type.:fingers-crossed:
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Thanks for the responses.
What are your thoughts on the 64 bit as another pro, for the exynos octo core chip?
i understand that 64 bit makes it possible to use 4+ gb Ram, the note has 3 and isn't upgradable.
so are there any other benefits to 64 octo over 32 snapdragon?
as far as pacific mall i don't really like buying phones from them anymore.
I am checking kijijii as i type.:fingers-crossed:
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Ram is fixed at 3 GB for all note 4s. Also most apps are programmed in 32 bit arch and there are still even PC applications that are simply programmed in 32 bit environment (actually Many many programs to be more precise...and even those that are 64 bit compatible but don't take any advantages of the new system).
Seeing as 64 bit will depend on both ram being above 3.25 GB and programmers actually programming apps that will take advantage of the new bit count, it is too early to proudly adopt the 64 bit arch expecting to future proof yourself.
I have a Nexus 9, which is a 64 bit CPU. By the time 64 bit makes it into it's baby steps even my nexus 9 will most likely be irrelevant in terms of other products on the market.
For now, 64 bit is a marketing gimmick and just a first crawl of technology going in the right direction. Don't get me wrong I'm not against it, and frankly encourage people to purchase into it, but don't expect to get the "performance" or "use" of 64 bit atm.
You are simply "funding" future projects
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Kijiji is even worse. At least pacific mall has a location (not that it makes much more of a difference) but your not carrying around 800$ cash to a random location. At least in Pacific mall there is security and is a place to shop.
i got my 910U from taiwan using ebay. $900 and well worth the extra ponies over the canadian models. using it on rogers.
I bought mine from Craigslist for $420.... Its amazing if you're patient the deals youll find. All you have to do is be able to barter, know what you're looking for and take precautions when buying used- Meet them at phones carrier, have it transferred over to you, meet them at their house and test it out or ask for their ID. Id definetly reccomend craigslist if you dont mind a used one
at $420 youre getting a fake for sure. no one is going to sell a real phone at hundreds off the cost price. a fake phone costs $160 with shipping at retail.
have you run refurbishment check on it using samsung phone info app from the app store ? have you asked the carriers if your phone is on contract/stolen or blacklisted ?
you can find it online and in Canada
Omega Cell in Edmonton carries these . i have purchased other phones, it is a good place to shop for unlocked and unique phone hardware
http://www.omegacell.com/products/samsung-galaxy-note-4-n910u-exynos-octocore
i am not affiliated with these guys at all, just a past and possibly future return customer.'