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Out of all the smart phones I have owned since 2009, my experience with the Z2 has probably been the worst. On paper, the phone looks good. Nice big screen, good battery life, nice camera and water and dust proof to boot. In my mind, it beat all of the competitors at the time. The big problem I have found is the terrible software.
Sony seems to be clueless. Each new build introduced new bugs and didn't squash the old ones. Since Lollipop I have had issues with the screen not locking properly. The phone was constantly unlocking itself in my pocket and pocket dialling my contacts. I had to disable tap to unlock and this stopped that but still the phone wont always lock properly. I will have read a text say, close the application and lock the phone. The screen goes dark but a press of the button and it's unlocked again. No swipe of the screen. When you lock it, it should be locked. Typing out texts, sometimes it will freeze for a moment, then catch up with what I typed. I'm not fast at typing or anything. In fact I'm pretty rubbish lol.
The camera isn't great by any means. My old S3 was just as good and took better low light images. I don't think I will ever get a Sony again. It's a shame as my k700i was a great old phone.
Is it just me or does anyone else have issues with the Z2's dodgy software?
I am satisfied except camera performance.
@5nakedoc , i think it's just you...
I never had the phone unlock by itself, never had a pocket call and never disabled tap to unlock either...
Go to settings --> security --> automatically lock --> choose immediately and it should solve the problem of phone not locking right away when you press power button.
Lags? if you have lags the problem is on your side for sure, i have 55gb of stuff on my phone and i run my cpu at 1.5ghz max most of the time, no lags here.
I never used sony keyboard maybe it has bugs, i use swype in all my android phones, zero lag typing on my z2.
About camera...yeah auto mode sucks, manual mode is better, but camera fv-5 is what does the trick for me. Just try other camera apps...
I would hate to know what you think about the rest of the phone as you said the camera is one of your favourite features :/
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Build quality
Waterproofing
Noise Cancelling
Large friendly screen
Free Speaker!!!
Magnetic charging dock
Quality Sony case
Two stage camera button
Camera
AR app
Background Blur app
The banana dispenser
OK I lied about the last one.
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I don't think an awful lot of it. The software bugs are annoying. That post was just after I got it and before the worst of the bugs began to plague me. Plus the expensive case I bought from Sony direct, failed on two corners and is completely useless now. (Not dropped ever) I think I mentioned that the problems really only started when they updated to Lollipop.
I was unable to locate the setting mentioned above, perhaps you are not running the most recent software but it wasn't where you described or anywhere else that I looked within settings.
Lags may be down to the sheer number of texts I have from that contact. I suspect they number in the thousands. I might try a factory reset when I have an evening spare and see if this helps. I do feel a little sentimental about those texts though but they are backed up to google.
Nope i have not seen any single problm except battery
to me the performance is still a issues even in lollipop update , dont know whether it was android fault or not , i need to restart each 2 days since i can see framedrop which is pretty annoying . Kinda agree , the update also lower the loudness of the speaker , camerawise their superior auto is pretty bad hmm. and my screen sometimes become crazy i dont know before this i dont have this problem i have own z2 since june 2014 , and the problems appear like 2-3 months ago until now.
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The phone was constantly unlocking itself in my pocket and pocket dialling my contacts. I had to disable tap to unlock and this stopped that but still the phone wont always lock properly.
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How about you turn the phone screen away from your body when you place it in your pocket?
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to me the performance is still a issues even in lollipop update , dont know whether it was android fault or not , i need to restart each 2 days since i can see framedrop which is pretty annoying . Kinda agree , the update also lower the loudness of the speaker , camerawise their superior auto is pretty bad hmm. and my screen sometimes become crazy i dont know before this i dont have this problem i have own z2 since june 2014 , and the problems appear like 2-3 months ago until now.
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Hi Najmi,I'm currently running version 5.1.1,i dont have encountered any issues with this version,I'd like to ask at what android version did you start to have these problems?Thank you
Maybe you should try asking for solutions to each of your problems. I don't like Lollipop either. Its been crap on all but nexus phones. Have you the S5? It became a bugs galore with Lollipop. Every non-nexus smartphone had the awake problem and extended power consumption.
I would advise you to go back to KK. Its bug-free.
About the camera, I tried indoor image comparison between both phones in auto-mode (I just got both phones and didnt get the time to properly compare the cameras) and the Z2 was clearly better indoors without lighting. Macros and close shots were also better on Z2. Later on I learnt about the Night Scene Mode in Manual mode. No phone could match Z2 at the time. There was a lot of noise but the pictures had more details than what was visible through the naked eyes. Nowadays phones with manual mode can shoot the same type of photos. But comparing the phones that came with Z2 it was the best.
Oh and I used to get 8 hours SoT in KK in 2 days without any root or such thing.
5nakedoc, I regret being in complete disagreement with you. For me, the Z2 has been one of my most appreciated phones. I bought it with Android 4.1.2 and have been updated since then until 4.4.4. I have not kept updating it more because I have a very useful app to my health insurance does not work with Lollipop.
Certainly, I recognize that the lock-release of Lollipop do not like as much as Kit Kat, but with a Xposed framework and modules in kit kat, I have a super performance, without any problem to lock-unlock, even removing the button emergency call and also the one of the camera.
The Stamina mode gives me an excellent performance during the day, coming to the end of the day with an average of 50-70% of battery, using whatsapp usually.
Also the wifi mode based on location works well, etc.
The camera fully satisfy me, and with an optical zoom could be the summum
What else can I want from a phone?
Perhaps you must keep in Kit kat and forget Lollipop experiences. I think there's most stable with old android versions.
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The camera isn't great by any means. My old S3 was just as good and took better low light images.
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You dont know to use camera for sure.Look at my pictures from Z2 on my flickr account and you will see how camera is really good.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
The Sony Xperia™ Z2 is one awesome device. If it has cons, it would be the speakers, I guess. But that's all. I've been using it since June 2014 and NEVER got those same problems with you.
Get your phone checked instead of coming here and blabbing about how bad it is.
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Hi Najmi,I'm currently running version 5.1.1,i dont have encountered any issues with this version,I'd like to ask at what android version did you start to have these problems?Thank you
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Since Lollipop of course. Latest one also. Fresh install including formatting both internal and external storage. You should compared kitkat and lollipop. That's why I revert back to Kitkat which give me better battery life and louder speaker.
Totally disagree
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Out of all the smart phones I have owned since 2009, my experience with the Z2 has probably been the worst. On paper, the phone looks good. Nice big screen, good battery life, nice camera and water and dust proof to boot. In my mind, it beat all of the competitors at the time. The big problem I have found is the terrible software.
Sony seems to be clueless. Each new build introduced new bugs and didn't squash the old ones. Since Lollipop I have had issues with the screen not locking properly. The phone was constantly unlocking itself in my pocket and pocket dialling my contacts. I had to disable tap to unlock and this stopped that but still the phone wont always lock properly. I will have read a text say, close the application and lock the phone. The screen goes dark but a press of the button and it's unlocked again. No swipe of the screen. When you lock it, it should be locked. Typing out texts, sometimes it will freeze for a moment, then catch up with what I typed. I'm not fast at typing or anything. In fact I'm pretty rubbish lol.
The camera isn't great by any means. My old S3 was just as good and took better low light images. I don't think I will ever get a Sony again. It's a shame as my k700i was a great old phone.
Is it just me or does anyone else have issues with the Z2's dodgy software?
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The ONLY thing you have proven with your attitude is that old saying ...
"You can't please ALL the people ALL the time."
Aside from being a techie with over 35 years of computer and phone skills, I've been through dozens of smartphones from the original iPhone to my current Sony Z2. I've RARELY kept any of them for more than 6 months. I've jailbroken or rooted every single one of them (except a Sharp which nobody has been able to root).
IMHO, the Sony Z2 is THE BEST smartphone I've ever carried. I'm NOT saying it's perfect. None of them are perfect. However, having carried and compared Apple, HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola and Sharp smartphones, I believe that the Sony Z2 has the BEST screen image quality, color accuracy and camera (excluding the Z5). The photos I've captured with my Z2 are so good, I no longer haul around my expensive Hasselblad equipment when I travel. I've blown up my Sony pics and turned them into life-size pieces of artwork. No other smartphone lets you turn it sideways and keep it charged in a magnetic $4 cradle. Very few smartphones since the original Nexus have the ability to program the notification light with different colors. It even feels like a quality device, not a plastic toy.
Sony has been one of the very few manufacturers that embraces developers like the ones on XDA,
instead of trying to stop us from rooting and customizing our phones.
I'm sorry that you don't have the abilities or desire to resolve your Z2 software dislikes.
I'm currently running Mx ROM V7.70 which has Android 5.1.1 plus lots of Z5 apps
and am not having ANY problems with it. Only complaint are 2 apps he adds which I uninstalled.
I'm so happy with my Z2, I'm even passing up the new Z5 (for now anyway) and may keep my Z2 for a second year.
Glenn
P.S. I also have a Sony Smartwatch 3 and am loving how Google keeps improving Android Wear.
Nexus 7 / Sony Z2 / Teclast X98 Air 3G / iPhone 2S
Yea the z2 is by far my favourite smart phone ever. It may have some minor issues here and there, but all in all, it really is a solid device. I've had it for a year and a half now, and I still don't see any devices that I could justify upgrading to (with the exception of the z3, z4, z5). Every other manufacturer would have some sort of drawback in some way. My z2 does everything I need plus more.
Bull Sh*t. Z2 is one of the best phones. If you compare it with Z3 I think design wise Z3 maybe good but other than that I think Z2 is an amazing device.
Display, Battery Life, Software, everything is perfect. Yes Lollipop actually made the phone to die fast. It's all because of the "Mobile Radio Active bug"
If you talk about Camera it all comes to personal experience. I agree it doesn't do well on Superior Auto mode but it does a great job if you tweak the manual mode and you need to know the stuff you're dealing with.
Then again I think Sony kinda ruined HDR mode but I am okay with it.
I can't use single phone for a good year, I upgrade fast, dude this phone I am using for 2 freaking years now. I am more than happy and I'm actually not pleased with any of the phones which was released this year(maybe because of SD810). @Authi it was released with 4.4.2 not 4.1.2
This phone is awesome are you kidding. My only issue is people are always asking what kind of fancy phone that is. Noone in the US even has any idea that Sony even makes phones even though they like the look of it. This is exactly why Sony is losing money because of no marketing presence.
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This phone is awesome are you kidding. My only issue is people are always asking what kind of fancy phone that is. Noone in the US even has any idea that Sony even makes phones even though they like the look of it. This is exactly why Sony is losing money because of no marketing presence.
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Exactly. Anyone with an interest in phones that has seen my z2, loves it. Even people I know who don't have an interest, when they see all the pros of it, they still comment asking what kind of phone it is. I've said it from day one. Sony makes an incredible device, it's just that nobody knows about them (in North America at least).
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Out of all the smart phones I have owned since 2009, my experience with the Z2 has probably been the worst. On paper, the phone looks good. Nice big screen, good battery life, nice camera and water and dust proof to boot. In my mind, it beat all of the competitors at the time. The big problem I have found is the terrible software.
Sony seems to be clueless. Each new build introduced new bugs and didn't squash the old ones. Since Lollipop I have had issues with the screen not locking properly. The phone was constantly unlocking itself in my pocket and pocket dialling my contacts. I had to disable tap to unlock and this stopped that but still the phone wont always lock properly. I will have read a text say, close the application and lock the phone. The screen goes dark but a press of the button and it's unlocked again. No swipe of the screen. When you lock it, it should be locked. Typing out texts, sometimes it will freeze for a moment, then catch up with what I typed. I'm not fast at typing or anything. In fact I'm pretty rubbish lol.
The camera isn't great by any means. My old S3 was just as good and took better low light images. I don't think I will ever get a Sony again. It's a shame as my k700i was a great old phone.
Is it just me or does anyone else have issues with the Z2's dodgy software?
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I have owned a Galaxy S3 before my XPERIA Z2 (and before the Galaxy S3 I owned the x10i). The Samsung phone (not a fanboy of Sony here) was my worst phone EVER. It was faster than my XPERIA x10i, yeah, but I can't relate to anything you say. My XPERIA has NEVER unlocked out of nothing, even with tap to unlock (I know this feature can cause automatic unlocks in your pockets for example). My camera is much and much better than the Galaxy S3. Battery life is also much better. My S3 couldn't hold out a full day, my XPERIA can reach up to 2 days. Freezing? Well it never freezed here only by a faulty third party app.
And you're saying the phone is full of new bugs each update? Which bugs? I haven't seen any major bugs, only on that crappy slow Galaxy, which was freezing all the time because of the heavy Touchwiz software that was running. Okay, I'm exaggerating with all the time, but you know how frustrating it is since your XPERIA has been freezing too. But I haven't experienced one of the problems you describe, my girlfriend owns the XPERIA Z2 too, and she hasn't experienced it too.
I think the source of the problems is you and not the phone and the software that is pre-installed on the phone. Don't take this as a personal attack, because it isn't one.
Cheers.
I'm posting this as i think Sony doesn't know what they are doing anymore, they are not in control of their mobile dev department, its a real mess.
After years of experiencing android market, Sony reinventing the wheel every time they come up with something new, the latest example is the Z5 series
they released a device with half a day battery life under fair usage, they are marketing it as a 2 days battery ready
they forgot to add the correct drivers for the bluetooth and wifi, that's why the bower consumption is really high when both left on without connecting to BT headset or Wi-Fi
the camera is far from the expectations, lagy, hardly focus, image optimization is at the worst, extremely noisy, file size is at the highest, please do a fair comparison between this camera and any other mid-range device, even Huawei doing much better than Sony camera, the weird thing is they are selling their camera module to most of the high-end manufacturers, but others knows how to perfectly use this module.
even their own apps like "Smart Connect" it doesn't trigger the required action upon device pairing to a bluetooth for example
Stamina Clock disconnects the mobile data believe me it does
"Adaptive Brightness" is not correctly functioning, it extremely exposure the screen brightness for seconds before it detects the correct settings
sound drivers are sh*^%&t, stereo speakers are not well calibrated, and after every Facebook call or disconnecting noise cancelling headset, I have to readjust ringer and call volumes again
Sony fans stay away please, no need for (my device lasts for full 5 years with only 10% battery) as this is a lie, I factory rest and repaired my device 6 times with all possible settings before I post this, this post is not for you guys, I was a Sony fan, starting from Xperia Z, Z1, Z2, Z3, and finally this sh%^ty Z5P, and unfortunately am an advanced user and i know Sony mobiles behavior
Good luck everyone, stay away from Sony mobiles this year if you care about your money, you won't be satisfied unless you are a beginner, or you have the patience to wait for months for an update to fix a bug and bug another, till finally after ages they fix their firmware.
Be Happy Story Teller
hahah you sure bro ? you got all that problem in your phone ? is that even legit Sony product or maybe you buy the cloned one hahahha . I think the problem is you or let's say your phone only because every error that you mentioned is all just story .
1. My phone takes almost 2 day before it drain : game , facebook , music . Also i think you need to learn to read , Sony announced it 2days in Standby mode , really are you fan of Sony . Nice story .
2.Do you know the correct drivers your talking about ? My wifi is on always i dont get that problem.
3. LMAO the CAMERA this one , really ? Sony Camera is SUPERB ! Even my friends who used Samsung , Iphones they know Z5 Camera is better . This the best hahaha .
4.Smart Connect ? Even this one you got problem hahahahah !
5.I used Stamina Clock and I can still use mobile data with LTE .
6.The adaptive brightness is very good also . You know i dont know whats your problem retarded hahaha .
7.Lastly the Music , ow common . Sony's Stereo is great .
Dont listen to this guy claiming he is a Sony Fan hahahah . Its easy to say that your a Sony Fan . Actually your a great Story Teller on the other side . Laughing very hard to this post haha . Almost all the details in the phone you got the problem seriously ? Your too obvious . I pity you , all story that you mentioned i didnt even got one . I hope i have atleast one ! hahahah
True Sony Z5 Series Xperia User can tell it . I know others will get some problems just like all other phones but not all the problems that you mentioned . Cool Story Bro ! Cheers
Im very proud with this phone.
Z5 Premium Dual User
Lucky you, none even one problem with your Xperia Z5P, that's cool while Sony knows these issues and promising for an upcoming update to fix these issues, you -the only one on planet- who has none of the above at all, and I'm the story teller??
please check the following:
a professional reply from Sony here, not a childish one as yours (the guy with no issues) https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xper...isappointed/m-p/1071489/highlight/false#M5004 check Sony reply and awareness of these issues
Adaptive Brightness Issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-premium/help/screen-looking-washed-t3265869
Stareo Speakers Issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-premium/general/sound-problem-z5-premium-t3264852
these are just examples, i can post tons of links
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Lucky you, none even one problem with your Xperia Z5P, that's cool while Sony knows these issues and promising for an upcoming update to fix these issues, you -the only one on planet- who has none of the above at all, and I'm the story teller??
please check the following:
a professional reply from Sony here, not a childish one as yours (the guy with no issues) https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xper...isappointed/m-p/1071489/highlight/false#M5004 check Sony reply and awareness of these issues
Adaptive Brightness Issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-premium/help/screen-looking-washed-t3265869
Stareo Speakers Issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-premium/general/sound-problem-z5-premium-t3264852
these are just examples, i can post tons of links
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You sound like a fairly smart and technical dude so I'll give u the benefit of the doubt and try to stay constructive.
There are a number of quirks with the Z5P that we all wished were not there, just like there are many quirks with every single phone in it's first months of release
There will be fixes for the MINOR bugs you are mentioning and there is no reason to blow it out of proportion like a teenager on her first period. I mean if Smart Connect, adaptive brightness(no issue here), Stamina clock and readjusting volume after FB call is you idea of "STAY AWAY FROM SONY" issues, I think you have some serious unresolved ones. Not trying to offend you, just a friendly observation.
As far as camera, battery and wireless drivers(?!), you either got a faulty device, or you are smoking some fine dope and I want in on it
Camera pics (low light especially) made a pal of mine switch to Z5 from an iPhone. I was at a party on Saturday and people were borrowing my phone to take pics and send to themselves afterwards. As objective as it comes. .
I haven't switched off BT or WiFi ever since I became a Sony user(Z, Z1, Z2). Z5P does noticeably worse than my Z2, which was a power stamina beast, but it still holds up to the two day promise Sony makes (~4 hours of screen time, stamina mode - On, wifi/BT - On, adaptive brightness set to medium). I easily start a morning with 100% and last to next day evening. I am not a power user and rarely play games on it, so if you do, I can see your frustration. The Snapdragon 810 is infamous with its power starve.
As for the "tons" of links with bad feedback, it is true for every single piece of hardware. Simple human behavior is that they rarely write on a forum about a positive experience.
My advice is, write down all the issues you are having, send back your phone for a warranty service (even invent a few if it helps your case) and see if they can swap it.
Otherwise you can keep whining and badmouthing, it's your choice, but it's also no way to live a life Put a nice smile on and make it better
Cheers
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You sound like a fairly smart and technical dude so I'll give u the benefit of the doubt and try to stay constructive.
There are a number of quirks with the Z5P that we all wished were not there, just like there are many quirks with every single phone in it's first months of release
There will be fixes for the MINOR bugs you are mentioning and there is no reason to blow it out of proportion like a teenager on her first period. I mean if Smart Connect, adaptive brightness(no issue here), Stamina clock and readjusting volume after FB call is you idea of "STAY AWAY FROM SONY" issues, I think you have some serious unresolved ones. Not trying to offend you, just a friendly observation.
As far as camera, battery and wireless drivers(?!), you either got a faulty device, or you are smoking some fine dope and I want in on it
Camera pics (low light especially) made a pal of mine switch to Z5 from an iPhone. I was at a party on Saturday and people were borrowing my phone to take pics and send to themselves afterwards. As objective as it comes. .
I haven't switched off BT or WiFi ever since I became a Sony user(Z, Z1, Z2). Z5P does noticeably worse than my Z2, which was a power stamina beast, but it still holds up to the two day promise Sony makes (~4 hours of screen time, stamina mode - On, wifi/BT - On, adaptive brightness set to medium). I easily start a morning with 100% and last to next day evening. I am not a power user and rarely play games on it, so if you do, I can see your frustration. The Snapdragon 810 is infamous with its power starve.
As for the "tons" of links with bad feedback, it is true for every single piece of hardware. Simple human behavior is that they rarely write on a forum about a positive experience.
My advice is, write down all the issues you are having, send back your phone for a warranty service (even invent a few if it helps your case) and see if they can swap it.
Otherwise you can keep whining and badmouthing, it's your choice, but it's also no way to live a life Put a nice smile on and make it better
Cheers
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I'm on the fence on choosing a z5premium or a iPhone 6s plus. ..which one do you think I should get? How's the front camera on the z5premium I'm into social media and use snap chat alot so I want a good selfie camera. .as well as a good rear camera and how long do you guys think the next premium model drops ?
Which version of the premium do you have? Is it dual? Is it E6883? I wonder if bugs are only in certain versions of the phone. Especially the battery issue. I got the dual E6883 and I feel like the battery is not lasting how it should.
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I'm on the fence on choosing a z5premium or a iPhone 6s plus. ..which one do you think I should get? How's the front camera on the z5premium I'm into social media and use snap chat alot so I want a good selfie camera. .as well as a good rear camera and how long do you guys think the next premium model drops ?
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Both have a good front facing camera. The Sony one captures a little more (wider lens) but the quality is not different enough to drive a decision. Right now, before a Firmware update, you'll be happier with the 6s Plus.
After Sony releases a couple of updates, I think the Sony will be the better phone.
The rear camera is better on the Sony but that is subjective to my picture preferences. On the objective side, Sony's lenses are much wider and capture more of the scene and it has a camera button, which I wouldn't swap for anything. the 6s Plus does have OIS tho. Videos tend to be a little less shaky.
pick the one u like in your hand. I am not a fan of apple's product line but that's on a personal level so I can't recommend against it.
gd luck
P.S. If you'r not in a hurry, my advice is - wait till spring. The Z6 line will be a lot better. Rumors are there will be 5 screen sizes to pick from and lot of goodies. And in case they suck, you can grab the Z5P cheaper. The only reason I got mine was a random Black Friday promo for 50% off
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Both have a good front facing camera. The Sony one captures a little more (wider lens) but the quality is not different enough to drive a decision. Right now, before a Firmware update, you'll be happier with the 6s Plus.
After Sony releases a couple of updates, I think the Sony will be the better phone.
The rear camera is better on the Sony but that is subjective to my picture preferences. On the objective side, Sony's lenses are much wider and capture more of the scene and it has a camera button, which I wouldn't swap for anything the 6s Plus does have OIS tho. Videos tend to be a little less shaky.
pick the one u like in your hand. I am not a fan of apple's product line but that's on a personal level so I can't recommend against it
gd luck
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Probably when the marshmallow update drops soon it will be alot better huh? Yeah the camera button would be nice !! i wanted a rear camera closest to a dslr so the z5p is probably that. I heard the z5p has a better stabilizer..Do you think a new model z5p will drop soon? i guess thats my main concern, i dont want the phone to depreciate after Christmas and i know iphones dont hardly do that haha. Hows your battery life ??
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bahkata said:
Both have a good front facing camera. The Sony one captures a little more (wider lens) but the quality is not different enough to drive a decision. Right now, before a Firmware update, you'll be happier with the 6s Plus.
After Sony releases a couple of updates, I think the Sony will be the better phone.
The rear camera is better on the Sony but that is subjective to my picture preferences. On the objective side, Sony's lenses are much wider and capture more of the scene and it has a camera button, which I wouldn't swap for anything. the 6s Plus does have OIS tho. Videos tend to be a little less shaky.
pick the one u like in your hand. I am not a fan of apple's product line but that's on a personal level so I can't recommend against it.
gd luck
P.S. If you'r not in a hurry, my advice is - wait till spring. The Z6 line will be a lot better. Rumors are there will be 5 screen sizes to pick from and lot of goodies. And in case they suck, you can grab the Z5P cheaper. The only reason I got mine was a random Black Friday promo for 50% off
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edit: Do they still have that black friday promo? lol and i should probably get a iphone 6s plus then since i can easily resell it for alot (seem to hold value). i found a 6s plus 128gb for $700 new
Nah, was just a 12 hour promo on a Swedish provider
If u want to hold value, iPhone would be a better option. U'll be happy with both.
Battery is fine. I miss my Z2's marathon stamina but I easily get two days and it will get better with andro M.
In the end, its a lifestyle choice, dude. They cover different needs and have a different customer base. If u want pretty, shiny and easy to use - go 6s Plus. If u want to tinker, customize and a more real experience in a tougher shell - its Sony. Go play with both of them in a store.
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Nah, was just a 12 hour promo on a Swedish provider
If u want to hold value, iPhone would be a better option. U'll be happy with both.
Battery is fine. I miss my Z2's marathon stamina but I easily get two days and it will get better with andro M.
In the end, its a lifestyle choice, dude. They cover different needs and have a different customer base. If u want pretty, shiny and easy to use - go 6s Plus. If u want to tinker, customize and a more real experience in a tougher shell - its Sony. Go play with both of them in a store.
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2 days seems amazing, on my s6 edge plus i sold i got around 10hrs only with probably 2-3sot. Guess i gotta think this through lol... do you have any camera samples? or any samples on instagram or something ?
Thats quite disappointing. People here don't like it when they get "only" 4-5 hrs SOT on the Z5P
check here -> http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z5_premium-review-1344.php
loads of samples and a decent review
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You sound like a fairly smart and technical dude so I'll give u the benefit of the doubt and try to stay constructive.
There are a number of quirks with the Z5P that we all wished were not there, just like there are many quirks with every single phone in it's first months of release
There will be fixes for the MINOR bugs you are mentioning and there is no reason to blow it out of proportion like a teenager on her first period. I mean if Smart Connect, adaptive brightness(no issue here), Stamina clock and readjusting volume after FB call is you idea of "STAY AWAY FROM SONY" issues, I think you have some serious unresolved ones. Not trying to offend you, just a friendly observation.
As far as camera, battery and wireless drivers(?!), you either got a faulty device, or you are smoking some fine dope and I want in on it
Camera pics (low light especially) made a pal of mine switch to Z5 from an iPhone. I was at a party on Saturday and people were borrowing my phone to take pics and send to themselves afterwards. As objective as it comes. .
I haven't switched off BT or WiFi ever since I became a Sony user(Z, Z1, Z2). Z5P does noticeably worse than my Z2, which was a power stamina beast, but it still holds up to the two day promise Sony makes (~4 hours of screen time, stamina mode - On, wifi/BT - On, adaptive brightness set to medium). I easily start a morning with 100% and last to next day evening. I am not a power user and rarely play games on it, so if you do, I can see your frustration. The Snapdragon 810 is infamous with its power starve.
As for the "tons" of links with bad feedback, it is true for every single piece of hardware. Simple human behavior is that they rarely write on a forum about a positive experience.
My advice is, write down all the issues you are having, send back your phone for a warranty service (even invent a few if it helps your case) and see if they can swap it.
Otherwise you can keep whining and badmouthing, it's your choice, but it's also no way to live a life Put a nice smile on and make it better
Cheers
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Thanks man for your reply, but when you pay around $850 to get a Z5P in my country -with no warranty BTW-, and after days of waiting for it to be delivered to find out you've paid this for a downgraded version of your current device (Z3) which lasts easily for a day with heavy use, most of issues were fixed (except for the call and ring volumes and Smart connect actions), battery smooth UI, no lags, fair camera, ...etc, imagine the impression man, paying such amount of money to be downgraded to half a day battery usage, software issues here and there, practically same camera results.
add to this, being in a poor country, no Sony support, all the above issues are hidden to the normal user, advanced digging needed to reach out for solutions, this is not like a teenager on her first period, this is called disappointment
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Thanks man for your reply, but when you pay around $850 to get a Z5P in my country -with no warranty BTW-, and after days of waiting for it to be delivered to find out you've paid this for a downgraded version of your current device (Z3) which lasts easily for a day with heavy use, most of issues were fixed (except for the call and ring volumes and Smart connect actions), battery smooth UI, no lags, fair camera, ...etc, imagine the impression man, paying such amount of money to be downgraded to half a day battery usage, software issues here and there, practically same camera results.
add to this, being in a poor country, no Sony support, all the above issues are hidden to the normal user, advanced digging needed to reach out for solutions, this is not like a teenager on her first period, this is called disappointment
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Im originally from Bulgaria, mate. I don't have to imagine. But being from the third world you must also be aware that the lowest quality batches get send there and you need to be extra careful. As far as warranty goes, there is no such thing as "no warranty" with a big name brand. You can always send it to a Sony service center outside your country. You just have to communicate that through the correct channels. I managed to do it with a Nokia and a Samsung in my teens. You are a big boy, you'll figure it out
Now the disappointment part. It's not the feeling I am referring to. It's the process you are going through to handle it. This is a forum where people come together to be helpful/get help. Thanks to topics and posts like yours it is becoming a mundane and unhelpful place where people come to vent and whine without really seeking a solution, which makes it a less helpful place. Essentially you are making the world a ****tier place. By a very little amount of course, but it contributes
What was wrong with posting in the Q&A, troubleshooting section, explaining your problems and ask nicely if people have the same and what could be a solution?
Also don't be mad at Yolo. He has the right to be frustrated, just cannot express it very well.
I have the 6853 and honestly it works great... The camera is definitely better than the iPhone 6S+...my wife uses that and I took a ton of pictures using both...the Sony is considerably better...no phone is perfect but right now I don't think there's anything better than the Z5P...Android M will be out soon and it will only get better...the one thing that Sony is wrong on is Battery....as a heavy user, I get one full day usage, not 2...but its usually hovering around 15-20% when I finally put it back on the charger...another thing I noticed was that Sony's quick charger is slower than others...I have a $9 certified Qualcomm quick charger I got from Amazon that charges the phone from 2-3% to 100% in one hour...and I get it up to like 70% in 30-35 minutes.
Only battery drain a little bit too fast other then is perfect for me.
Before z5p I had use moto x prue ,nexus 6p, lumia 950xl but I feel z5p is better one
i've used the z, z1, z ultra (still have this beast), z3, z3 tablet compact, and recently got the z5 premium.
I've never gotten a lemon in any of those devices, and none of those problems happened to me before.
the z5 premium's performance is blowing all those out of the waters now so I guess I'm just one lucky son of a gun
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i've used the z, z1, z ultra (still have this beast), z3, z3 tablet compact, and recently got the z5 premium.
I've never gotten a lemon in any of those devices, and none of those problems happened to me before.
the z5 premium's performance is blowing all those out of the waters now so I guess I'm just one lucky son of a gun
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I am still using my Z1 and it has never had a single issue in over two years but I am contemplating getting the Z5 Premium in black.
How would you rate it next to the Z1, take into consideration that o have not used or owned any other Z series device.
Would it be a massive jump and difference in user experience, in a positive manner?
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I'm on the fence on choosing a z5premium or a iPhone 6s plus. ..which one do you think I should get? How's the front camera on the z5premium I'm into social media and use snap chat alot so I want a good selfie camera. .as well as a good rear camera and how long do you guys think the next premium model drops ?
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I'll be brutally honest here. Go with the iPhone. It's the best phone for social media. I've been using the Z5premium for a little longer than a week now and I can tell you that the front facing camera is definitely not as good as the one on the iPhone. It also doesn't take pictures as fast as the iPhone does. However I will say that the Z5's rear camera does take better photos than the iPhone, albeit slower due to post-processing.
There's also a weird glitch with the camera when taking videos of extremely detailed subjects on Snapchat. I don't know when this will be fixed, but I do know that it looks distorted and really weird. I wish I could show you a sample, but the snap was a few days ago.
This is not to say that I don't love this phone though. For more reasons I like this phone better than my iPhone. There are just a few things that the iPhone simply does better. But hey, no phone is perfect.
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I'll be brutally honest here. Go with the iPhone. It's the best phone for social media. I've been using the Z5premium for a little longer than a week now and I can tell you that the front facing camera is definitely not as good as the one on the iPhone. It also doesn't take pictures as fast as the iPhone does. However I will say that the Z5's rear camera does take better photos than the iPhone, albeit slower due to post-processing.
There's also a weird glitch with the camera when taking videos of extremely detailed subjects on Snapchat. I don't know when this will be fixed, but I do know that it looks distorted and really weird. I wish I could show you a sample, but the snap was a few days ago.
This is not to say that I don't love this phone though. For more reasons I like this phone better than my iPhone. There are just a few things that the iPhone simply does better. But hey, no phone is perfect.
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i ended up ordering a 6s+ on ebay haha thanks for replying back! I know exactly what you mean, they haven't optimized the camera yet for snapchat i had that happen with my old g4 ..only way to fix that is to use the 3rd party snapchat app called "casper" it allows you to use original camera app. idk what it is but iphones always tend to have the better front camera even with being a lower resolution. Main reason i did not get the z5p is because there is rumors with the z6 plus/ultra coming out soon so i would rather stick with something that wont depreciate yenno
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As a Moto X (1st gen) owner, I really hate these big phones on sale nowadays.
Even the Nexus 5 is way too big in my opinion.
Everything I have seen/heard about the Sony Z5 Compact makes me want to get this phone.
BUT: with no speedy software updates from Sony, and lacking ROM development support in the XDA community, I will never get this phone.
Dev support on the Moto X was already lacking and I will never buy another Motorola phone because of the terrible software support from that company.
When will these manufacturers learn?
Give us unlocked bootloaders, support devs, and provide QUICK software updates to the latest version of Android.
Otherwise, you go on my sh!# list and I will not buy your phones!
As much as I hate Apple, they get that part right!
Sorry that you won't get it because you can't put a custom ROM on it. I can say though, it's better than most phones when comparing just stock. Biggest problems would be ads for me.
But you can still root, install xposed, etc. Just have to unlock the bootloader (which Sony makes it easy to do). There's also a way to get your* DRMs back so the camera doesn't suffer all that much.
*not really your DRMs. just a copy of someone else's or something.
And what was the exact reason for posting you are not buying this phone, in this phones forum?
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And what was the exact reason for posting you are not buying this phone, in this phones forum?
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its called attention whoring because nobody gets better from thing like this.
Development will most likely pick up after someone figures out a way to backup the DRM keys.
Phone with "updates and ROM support" vs Small Size
Pick one.
But development isn't that bad at all.
You only have the Z5C at the moment...
In my opinion,
Pros: the only Compact flagship (2015/2016). Excellent battery life (with 720p resolution) specially when gaming.
Contras: the camera photo quality (compared to non-sony phones), slow updates (compared to aosp phones like Nexus/Motorola), DRM is lost when unlocked which is ridiculous.
If I were you I would try to update your X to a custom rom with Marshmallow (I did this with my GF's Moto G 1st gen). She's enjoying Marshmallow while I'm stuck in Laglipop with a Sony auto brightness bug that wash all the colors after unlocking the display (will be fixed by Sony in Android 6)
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DRM is lost when unlocked which is ridiculous.
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DRM patch has been out for a week
in my opinion, even with the recent solution available for DRM keys, ROM development will be small.
I don't think the Z5 line has sold that much (snapdragon 810 might be a cause), and probably it will never gain the interest that the Z3 line has. In addition, only in February Sony would start selling the Z5 line (unlocked ) in the US: without fingerprint sensor(!!), too late, too pricey to be sold in volumes that would bring american developers' contribution on xda.
Altough,this is just my personal thoughts.
(apart from that z5c is a good phone)
Samesame.
First and last device im buying from Sony, and not only becaue of their inability to put their horrendous DRM on a separate chip instead of in the regular storage.
It reboots frequently with a flashing red LED, their own software comes with ads, yes, ads in a device that you paid for, the volume rocker is getting sloppy after 3 months and Sony claiming it to be "normal usage" and wont replace it etc.
Nope, not again. Anyone who wants to buy it?
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DRM patch has been out for a week
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Yes but that patch is nothing guaranteed in a future....
Sony should leave the users unlock/lock the bootloader without affecting any phone usage. (Like Motorola do).
I don't care too much about unlocking the bootloader, because AOSP roms that Sony release, have a more (or totally) useless camera firmware and many others things. So Stock ROM is the most stable ROM in the Z5...
If Sony released an official AOSP (extra) firmware 100% stable with quality but without Sony features (like Smartapps, Xperia themes, Camera from lockscreen set to Sony camera, and Jap apps like "Everyday" "Film" "pain", yes the phone is still full of hidden bull****, etc) all would be better.
But for the people who want to root and modify system apps, free unlock of the BL without affecting the phone is a complete deal breaker.
lack of updates? i think sony is one of the rare companies that release so many patches to fix all sorts of things. Since i own the z5c i had like 3-4 updates already and soon marshmallow.
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Yes but that patch is nothing guaranteed in a future....
Sony should leave the users unlock/lock the bootloader without affecting any phone usage. (Like Motorola do).
I don't care too much about unlocking the bootloader, because AOSP roms that Sony release, have a more (or totally) useless camera firmware and many others things. So Stock ROM is the most stable ROM in the Z5...
If Sony released an official AOSP (extra) firmware 100% stable with quality but without Sony features (like Smartapps, Xperia themes, Camera from lockscreen set to Sony camera, and Jap apps like "Everyday" "Film" "pain", yes the phone is still full of hidden bull****, etc) all would be better.
But for the people who want to root and modify system apps, free unlock of the BL without affecting the phone is a complete deal breaker.
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You can disable bloatware in settings>apps
Also, I didn't have any Japanese apps installed on mine so I think it has to do with your region customization.
Feel free to install any other region customization using flashtool
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You can disable bloatware in settings>apps
Also, I didn't have any Japanese apps installed on mine so I think it has to do with your region customization.
Feel free to install any other region customization using flashtool
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Not all apps can be disabled though, "Whats new" for example, which is constantly bugging me about updating other bloatware.
And yes, Im aware that you can disable notifications, but should we really have to..?
And (as I said in another topic recently), it's not all about apps in /system. Sometimes you just need aosp stuff like be able to define "default" camera for the lock screen shortcut. etc.
BTW, I hate that "smart apps" app that can't be disabled, only hidden.
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Not all apps can be disabled though, "Whats new" for example, which is constantly bugging me about updating other bloatware.
And yes, Im aware that you can disable notifications, but should we really have to..?
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Well, I don't consider what's new as bloatware since it gives updates for some (to me) important system apps. Though, I disabled notifications too.
I just think it would be better if android phones all had the CM superuser toggle in dev settings by default. So the ones who need root (us) could turn on root when needed and users who are not aware of it (like my grandmother) can't turn it on accidentally.
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Well, I don't consider what's new as bloatware since it gives updates for some (to me) important system apps. Though, I disabled notifications too.
I just think it would be better if android phones all had the CM superuser toggle in dev settings by default. So the ones who need root (us) could turn on root when needed and users who are not aware of it (like my grandmother) can't turn it on accidentally.
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Thing is, we already have a perfectly fine app for updating other apps, Play Store. Sony are even using it for certain apps, so I really dont get why they would need a second app.
Unless theyre bundling malware which is automatically discovered via play store *tinfoilhat on*
After a few months, the Z5 is a BIG dissapointment for me too. Coming from a Note 3 and a OnePlus One, both running a custom ROM based on CM (Temasek's builds), I'm used to see the most annoyings bugs and issues get squashed very rapidly (thanks to nightlies).
With the Z5, running stock firmware, I've learned that bugs and issues will persist for months (since October in certain cases) without a proper fix. Since I got the Z5, the phone received I think 3 or 4 updates. In all cases, all these updates did: more bloat and Sony apps I don't want and need, and had to uninstall.
Bluetooth issues? Still there. Auto-brightness? Still broken. Battery life? Still sub-par and very poor compared to my OnePlus One. UI lag and stuttering? Still exist.
No doubt the Z5 is a great phone (hardware), but the software (firmware) is so plagued with bugs and issues that Sony doesn't seem to judge important enough to fix that, honestly, I'm now considering selling that phone to get something better that actually receives REAL updates and bugfixes. As a first time Xperia owner, the impression it leaves me is that Sony seems very amateurish when it comes to providing a solid firmware that does justice to the very good phones, hardware-wise, they produce... And I've learned yesterday that Samsung (yeah that Samsung that is known for taking forever to update its phones...) is now faster than Sony to update their flagships! Shame
All I hope now it that Marshmallow (if they release it someday...) will be a more decent firmware than Lollipop is, so I can keep that phone one more year without having to replace it. My next phone WON'T be an Xperia though. I never do the same mistake twice
Good for you guys if you're happy with your Z5 (I'm sincerely glad for you), but I'm not. Mine is plagued with problems I've never encountered with any other Android phones I've owned before, even those running nightlies CM12 ROMs. And I still can't figure out why my much slower OnePlus One (Snapdragon 801 Vs 810) felt more snappy and gave me a better Android experience in general (more stable, better UI fluidity, better battery life, less bugs and annoyances, etc.)
By the way, another BIG dissapointement for me: That DRM bull**** that causes the phone to lose functionalities if you ever decide to unlock/root it. Seriously Sony? Why would you prevent me from enjoying better camera processing algorythms, X-Reality and stuff like that just because I need to unlock my bootloader to get root? That's moronic and an ass move.
Think twice guys before getting a Z5, Z5C or Z5P... I thought it looked great too on paper, but in the end that phone is FAR from perfect. It feels more like a "work in progress" to me than a phone I can rely on in my day to day usage, and I'm not blaming the hardware. Sony has A LOT of work to do with its software though. That phone deserves a better firmware.
Same reason why Apple and Samsung do not update their software and/or make it so it slows down previous generation phones... To sell the next big thing. Only difference is Sony is catching up with Apple as far as locking stuff up so people cant fix the bugs. This is the problem with nexus sales, nexus 5 is still amazing because it gives developers the ability to do whatever they want to improve it, but on the other hand it hurt the sales of nexus 6, because most people didn't have the reason to pay that much. Now they have 5x and people don't have the reason to buy 6p unless they are a fan and got the means.
Its all about the mainstream sales, no one gives a **** about high end users like you and I OP, we are a mere 10% of the market and that I think is a generous assumption. All about that paper. Best way you can give the finger to Sony is not buy the phone, yapping about it here only causes devs to steer clear from it and kind of makes you, the OP a part of the problem.
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I might have been a little harsh with my language, so let me also mention that I don't disagree with OP and was merely providing the reason, which is the sales of future product.. I am actually currently looking on amazon to see if I can return mine, though I love the phone, ads and bloatware and the lack of root to be able to remove them without a proper DRM solution (nah I aint risking it for marshmallow) sucks balls, aside that I like Xperia UI and camera stuff very much. I would buy it again in a heartbeat when I see development, but I cant risk the return window.
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After a few months, the Z5 is a BIG dissapointment for me too. Coming from a Note 3 and a OnePlus One, both running a custom ROM based on CM (Temasek's builds), I'm used to see the most annoyings bugs and issues get squashed very rapidly (thanks to nightlies).
With the Z5, running stock firmware, I've learned that bugs and issues will persist for months (since October in certain cases) without a proper fix. Since I got the Z5, the phone received I think 3 or 4 updates. In all cases, all these updates did: more bloat and Sony apps I don't want and need, and had to uninstall.
Bluetooth issues? Still there. Auto-brightness? Still broken. Battery life? Still sub-par and very poor compared to my OnePlus One. UI lag and stuttering? Still exist.
No doubt the Z5 is a great phone (hardware), but the software (firmware) is so plagued with bugs and issues that Sony doesn't seem to judge important enough to fix that, honestly, I'm now considering selling that phone to get something better that actually receives REAL updates and bugfixes. As a first time Xperia owner, the impression it leaves me is that Sony seems very amateurish when it comes to providing a solid firmware that does justice to the very good phones, hardware-wise, they produce... And I've learned yesterday that Samsung (yeah that Samsung that is known for taking forever to update its phones...) is now faster than Sony to update their flagships! Shame
All I hope now it that Marshmallow (if they release it someday...) will be a more decent firmware than Lollipop is, so I can keep that phone one more year without having to replace it. My next phone WON'T be an Xperia though. I never do the same mistake twice
Good for you guys if you're happy with your Z5 (I'm sincerely glad for you), but I'm not. Mine is plagued with problems I've never encountered with any other Android phones I've owned before, even those running nightlies CM12 ROMs. And I still can't figure out why my much slower OnePlus One (Snapdragon 801 Vs 810) felt more snappy and gave me a better Android experience in general (more stable, better UI fluidity, better battery life, less bugs and annoyances, etc.)
By the way, another BIG dissapointement for me: That DRM bull**** that causes the phone to lose functionalities if you ever decide to unlock/root it. Seriously Sony? Why would you prevent me from enjoying better camera processing algorythms, X-Reality and stuff like that just because I need to unlock my bootloader to get root? That's moronic and an ass move.
Think twice guys before getting a Z5, Z5C or Z5P... I thought it looked great too on paper, but in the end that phone is FAR from perfect. It feels more like a "work in progress" to me than a phone I can rely on in my day to day usage, and I'm not blaming the hardware. Sony has A LOT of work to do with its software though. That phone deserves a better firmware.
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I totally agree with almost all your points. The battery is the one I don't agree. I'm really happy with the battery life. Specially when playing Hearthstone at 720p.
But. Add to your list the fact that I don't like the Sony camera (firmware or whatever). I used to get much better photo quality with my Nexus 5 with HDR+.
I used that phone as a main camera for a lot of trips and a lot of closeups. Now I'll have a trip in 1 month and if Marshmallow firmware doesn't improve the camera photo quality (seriously 2MP capture more details than 8MP and this one more than 20MP on this phone) I think I'll have to get an alternative camera.
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Hey guys,
Forewarned. This is a review/rant/suggestion to lookelsewhere. Read on if you dare.
After using this phone for a week I must say, I'm pretty disappointed. While I'm happy with the specs (for the most part) there are more and more problems I have each day which makes me want to change phones.
2nd screen & Main screen resolution:
The addition of a 2nd screen seemed like a pretty awesome addition, but I believe it's a bit overkill without being able to setup customisation of notifications.
Edit 1/12: Have removed some details of second screen in info.
The options for applications or customisation on that screen is SO severely limited, they might as well offer no customisation from the apps other than the 4 you see. The 2nd screen can remain off (while main display is on), or turn on when you lock the main display, OR be on all the time. It's another avenue of losing valuable battery life at the expense of a note so necessary second screen. I imagine this is also quite tricky for devs (or will be) when trying to customise. Also, what happened to the LED light? LG must believe the second screen is better instead, yet they offer way way off setting up specific app notification or the use of colours? It would be better to get something more than a tiny white (and dimmed) icon when the phone is locked? Yes, there's an audible tone, but the LED light allowed me to previously look at my LG G4 from a distance as it cycle-flashed throgh colours letting me know which one (or series) of event notifications I had missed...
QHD display looks awesome on this phone, colours are brilliant. One of the better phones to otherwise look at. I'm glad the battery is 3200mah, because it needs it. I can't really blame the battery capacity as iot's more than most flagships; I blame what wastes the battery more - either a BUG that needs to be addressed in the Android OS itself, orthe fact the QHD is overkill. On that note, why not go amoled instead of IPS? Every 1-1.5 yars when I change phones, my battery size keeps increasing, my usage stays around the same rate, but my bsttery life doesn't seem as great. Generation after generation...why is that? I believe its related to the overkill size of the screen (since flagships keep getting bigger) and the huge QHD boost in resolution.
ORIGINAL POST: This phone, seems to lack ADAPTIVE BRIGHTNESS. Why, oh heavenly lord of all that is SANE, would a company REMOVE this feature? Can't answer for the G5, but it was on the G4 and now it's gone. In strong daylight, I'm blind at using my phone unless I accurately unlock and then adjust the brightness manually myself. This lack of a feature makes it unusable in MANY situations. I could be wrong, but I hope a software update could fix or implement this adaptivity.
EDIT - Update 30/11: I've pushed an OTA update and found this problem to have been addressed, it now appears more responsive and incremental as described below. It had me worried for a minute!!
LG as a company:
Their customer service by phone and chat is quite possibly the worst I've experienced. They know nothing. When they have to escalate a case, they never get back to you unless you pester. yes, many companies could fall into the same category here, but LG 'segregate' every one of their offices for each country. Pick up a LG v20 H990DS in Australia (IDENTICALLY sold in 3+ other countries) and LG Support in Australia have no idea about that. They also ahve no clue about any phones of theirs NOT release din the country you are speaking with. What's worse, is EVERY country has their calls re-routed or redirected to Manila, or some place....so you'd effectively be talking to the same person or team of people regardless if whether you called the AUS or USA support phone number. They are a complete joke.
LG Dev community
Bless your little hearts for the devs that own this phone or are working tirelessly developing for it. It's no secret with the dev community for LG is barely drawing a breathe - LG do nothing for customisation of their elecontrics or provide any interactiopn/support the developer community. Someone can try telling me how they just released a process for the SINGLE SIM USA 'open market variant' to UNLOCK the bootloader....Yeah, that's aweome...for a few dozen people in 1 region of the world. What about every other country or the more popyular dual SIM? Bah... I can't stress how important root has been for me over the years on a phone, an unlocked bootloaderi a bonus, but I don't see it coming any time soon. This is a big enough reason to drop the phone for another with similar specs that has root.
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There's plenty of options out there as we all know, but the clear stand-out for me is the ASUS Zenfone 3 Deluxe. You're probably thinking...why not stop b*tching about this phone and buy that? Well, the developer community for this brand is just as bad - almost non-existant, plus a viable root method (or boot unlock) doesn't exist for this phone yet, otherwise I'd already be on the bandwagon.
FLAGSHIP SIMILARITIES:
-Same CPU
-Same RAM (on 32GB ROM version of Zenfone 3)
-Same screen size
-Both support NFC, dual SIM
BIG DIFFERENCES:
- Zenfone 3 Deluxe *HAS* FHD 1080p resolution, not QHD (but is much better for battery)
- Zenfone 3 Deluxe *HAS* LED light (only 3 colours prior to root)
- Zenfone 3 Deluxe *HAS* adaptive brightness
- Zenfone 3 Deluxe -LACKS- Infrared (IR) which is a big loss
- Zenfone 3 Deluxe -LACKS- No FM radio (not such a big deal to me anymore)
- Zenfone 3 Deluxe runs Marshmalow 6.0, LG v20 runs Nougat 7.0
- LG v20 is more repairable; easy to disassemble and replace parts
- LG v20 allows for dedicated MicroSD slot for expandable memory
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8238&idPhone2=8129
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@roosta
Perhaps consider joining the Xiaomi Mi MIX community:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-mix
The band support is damn near 100% for your carrier:
http://willmyphonework.net/
Might wanna double-check if you're genuinely interested,the site Frequency Check has different info vs WillMyPhoneWork.
Bootloader unlocking is a breeze (mine came Bootloader Unlocked by the vendor,who installed the Global ROM w/Google,I've since TWRP'ed & installed the EU ROM,much better).
Hoping for CyanogenMod,but,in the meantime,this is nice,just gotta disable the CleanMaster/MIUI bloat (There's a S***LOAD of it,enough to even make Samsung blush,LOL) with TiBu or SD Maid & you'll be good to go.
Whichever device you decide to move to,hopefully it'll have some support from both the mfg & the development community. :good:
ehm... i just don't get it, you chose this phone because it has some features right? and you looked at the specs table too, right? you knew, or at least i did, that there were a few things missing (rbg led for instance)... so why buying it?? it wasn't even a cheap choice, you could have made different choices, you could have gone for a s7 edge if you like big screens for instance, probably even cheaper right now.
auto brightness is there, it hasn't been removed, it's just bugged atm but it's a quite common issue with early releases of softwares, you often hear referring to it as a "lazy sensor"...
the phone you'd like to replace yours with is a totally different phone :/ it seems to have a hifi dac as well, but i couldn't find any real specifics about the chipset... is it as good as the one you're leaving? from the specs i could find on asus website i would guess probably good but not as good? anyway i don't see any mention about hifi dac's on your post, so i guess you don't/didn't care much for it..?
camera is supposed to be a downgrade from your v20... big time. no argue there.
support? asus is quite slow releasing software updates, MM arrived on zenfone2 models in late august/sept, with many many issues and bugs. so my question here would be: when is it ACTUALLY going to see nougat? and are you familiar with asus zenUI?? it's heavy...
so... are you sure you want to trade your v20 for THAT model? for that price??
if you're unsatisfied with your v20, and i can understand it to some extent, just be smarter with your next choice
in my experience phones sporting qualcomm SoC's tend to be supported for for a longer time, and faster. but if you tend to change your phone every 1.5 years you could easily go for a samsung too... and right now IMHO if hifi dac isn't your top priority s7 edge is probably the best choice. price, camera, battery, support. all the package. you have no budget issue, maybe pixel XL? it would have a qualcomm aqstic dac which isn't bad at all... same as htc10.
anyway, good luck with your choice
Um... I don't post often. But, the phone has adaptive brightness. I'm using it right now.
Also, the phone is metal, not plastic. Did I subscribe to the wrong forum? V20 right?
FreeLookMode said:
Um... I don't post often. But, the phone has adaptive brightness. I'm using it right now.
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Cool, prob just need to process the OTA update.
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ehm... i just don't get it, you chose this phone because it has some features right? and you looked at the specs table too, right? you knew, or at least i did, that there were a few things missing (rbg led for instance)... so why buying it?? it wasn't even a cheap choice, you could have made different choices, you could have gone for a s7 edge if you like big screens for instance, probably even cheaper right now
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Of course I checked the specs. It ticked most boxes. Bigger battery was a huge plus, IR, FM radio, one of the best RAW manual shooting UI for the camera on the market (etc etc). But this isn't a LG v20 "this is why I love it" thread. There's obvious concessions that need to be made. I clearly underestimated the customisability of the 2nd screen. Even worse, some email notifications (such as new emails) that come through - if the screen is locked/off, the audible notifications don't come through. Perhaps a bug - but pretty average when you spend big dollars on it.
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auto brightness is there, it hasn't been removed, it's just bugged atm
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That's good to hear. LG are trying to push an OTA update, but I didn't want to apply it, JUST in case someone released a root method and it happens to been software-version-dependant.
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the phone you'd like to replace yours with is a totally different phone :/ it seems to have a hifi dac as well ... anyway i don't see any mention about hifi dac's on your post, so i guess you don't/didn't care much for it..?
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HiFI DAC. The biggest marketing spin for a smart phone feature. I'm no audiophile...but I believe I can determine 'quality'. If using a good set of earphones/buds, I don't notice a tremendous amount of difference between this phone and others I've used. Far too much marketing spin was put into this. B&O branding, etc. LG's focus for this flagship is focused on the wrong areas. Instead, they could have focused on a speaker thats LOUD (hence 'loudspeaker'!). Its far too quiet...
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camera is supposed to be a downgrade from your v20... big time. no argue there.
support? asus is quite slow releasing software updates, MM arrived on zenfone2 models in late august/sept, with many many issues and bugs. so my question here would be: when is it ACTUALLY going to see nougat? and are you familiar with asus zenUI?? it's heavy... so... are you sure you want to trade your v20 for THAT model? for that price??
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I have no experience with MM personally, nor with ASUS so that information is somewhat helpful. I'm also not familiar with the UI...but I wasn't with the LG version either when I came from 5+ years of Samsung from G6 to the G4...and it was quite easy to get used to it, i doubt I'd have any problems or complaints with the UI based on the reviews I've reached and watched on youtube?
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if you're unsatisfied with your v20, and i can understand it to some extent, just be smarter with your next choice
in my experience phones sporting qualcomm SoC's tend to be supported for for a longer time, and faster. but if you tend to change your phone every 1.5 years you could easily go for a samsung too... and right now IMHO if hifi dac isn't your top priority s7 edge is probably the best choice. price, camera, battery, support. all the package. you have no budget issue, maybe pixel XL? it would have a qualcomm aqstic dac which isn't bad at all... same as htc10.
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If i don't switch to a current phone in the market, I'm keeping an eye on the SGS8 by early-mid 2017. I was turned off the Samsung S6 and 7...their designs started turning int Apple iPhone clones - solid body, built in battery, either a 2nd SIM support (OR SD card, not both). lack of FM radio, no IR....I don't care much about the radio any more, but the deciding factory was a dual sim phone that supported B28 700Mhz. 5.5" phone is preferred, 5.7" the largest I'd probably go. I hate front-facing speakers which ae typically found on HTC's...they get filthy over time. Bad design if you ask me. DO these have boot unlocks and root? There's the big one...
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@roosta
Perhaps consider joining the Xiaomi Mi MIX community:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-mix
The band support is damn near 100% for your carrier:
http://willmyphonework.net/
Might wanna double-check if you're genuinely interested,the site Frequency Check has different info vs WillMyPhoneWork.
Bootloader unlocking is a breeze (mine came Bootloader Unlocked by the vendor,who installed the Global ROM w/Google,I've since TWRP'ed & installed the EU ROM,much better).
Hoping for CyanogenMod,but,in the meantime,this is nice,just gotta disable the CleanMaster/MIUI bloat (There's a S***LOAD of it,enough to even make Samsung blush,LOL) with TiBu or SD Maid & you'll be good to go.
Whichever device you decide to move to,hopefully it'll have some support from both the mfg & the development community. :good:
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Thanks for the suggestion. I checked the Xiaomi's latest release. No dual SIM support covering band 28 700Mhz. I must say, I am left baffled wondering why all bands are just left as active/achievable depdning on the country. There's NO reason NOT to have them all. I think their latest-release model only has a chinese ROM with support for other countries languages...rather than a global (or country specific) ROM. The dots for the menu/back touch buttons (which i know, are programmable) just looks wonky. Byut yes, the biggest thing it has going for it is bootloader unlock and root, which is huge.
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Cool, prob just need to process the OTA update.
Of course I checked the specs. It ticked most boxes. Bigger battery was a huge plus, IR, FM radio, one of the best RAW manual shooting UI for the camera on the market (etc etc). But this isn't a LG v20 "this is why I love it" thread. There's obvious concessions that need to be made. I clearly underestimated the customisability of the 2nd screen. Even worse, some email notifications (such as new emails) that come through - if the screen is locked/off, the audible notifications don't come through. Perhaps a bug - but pretty average when you spend big dollars on it.
That's good to hear. LG are trying to push an OTA update, but I didn't want to apply it, JUST in case someone released a root method and it happens to been software-version-dependant.
HiFI DAC. The biggest marketing spin for a smart phone feature. I'm no audiophile...but I believe I can determine 'quality'. If using a good set of earphones/buds, I don't notice a tremendous amount of difference between this phone and others I've used. Far too much marketing spin was put into this. B&O branding, etc. LG's focus for this flagship is focused on the wrong areas. Instead, they could have focused on a speaker thats LOUD (hence 'loudspeaker'!). Its far too quiet...
I have no experience with MM personally, nor with ASUS so that information is somewhat helpful. I'm also not familiar with the UI...but I wasn't with the LG version either when I came from 5+ years of Samsung from G6 to the G4...and it was quite easy to get used to it, i doubt I'd have any problems or complaints with the UI based on the reviews I've reached and watched on youtube?
If i don't switch to a current phone in the market, I'm keeping an eye on the SGS8 by early-mid 2017. I was turned off the Samsung S6 and 7...their designs started turning int Apple iPhone clones - solid body, built in battery, either a 2nd SIM support (OR SD card, not both). lack of FM radio, no IR....I don't care much about the radio any more, but the deciding factory was a dual sim phone that supported B28 700Mhz. 5.5" phone is preferred, 5.7" the largest I'd probably go. I hate front-facing speakers which ae typically found on HTC's...they get filthy over time. Bad design if you ask me. DO these have boot unlocks and root? There's the big one...
Thanks for the suggestion. I checked the Xiaomi's latest release. No dual SIM support covering band 28 700Mhz. I must say, I am left baffled wondering why all bands are just left as active/achievable depdning on the country. There's NO reason NOT to have them all. I think their latest-release model only has a chinese ROM with support for other countries languages...rather than a global (or country specific) ROM. The dots for the menu/back touch buttons (which i know, are programmable) just looks wonky. Byut yes, the biggest thing it has going for it is bootloader unlock and root, which is huge.
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Iphone clones? You mean HTC Mx series clones, which apple and everybody else has copied.
Auto brightness is not bugged. Maybe it just works better on T-Mobile units?
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Auto brightness is not bugged. Maybe it just works better on T-Mobile units?
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I have a T-Mobile unit and while auto brightness doesn't work great, it's nowhere near as bad as OP suggests. I've never had troubles seeing it in direct sunlight.
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I have a T-Mobile unit and while auto brightness doesn't work great, it's nowhere near as bad as OP suggests. I've never had troubles seeing it in direct sunlight.
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In direct sunlight it goes to 100%. I'm not sure what issues people have. You can watch how it adjusts itself. Maybe people hate the speed? It does it by increments not all at once.
To be honest, I think the op is ranting for no good reason other then to rant.
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To be honest, I think the op is ranting for no good reason other then to rant.
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Of course, I just do this for the attention.
bishmaster5000 said:
I have a T-Mobile unit and while auto brightness doesn't work great, it's nowhere near as bad as OP suggests. I've never had troubles seeing it in direct sunlight.
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As I said abovr, it's probably just an OTA update that is required on the H990DS to make it work as effectively as the other variants. I've done that now and can confirm it looks to be more responsive. If it's set to auto,
don't make any manual adjustments to the % bar... As regardless of the scene, if you lock and unlock the phone in different lighting situations it's only then it won't adjust.
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Of course, I just do this for the attention.
As I said abovr, it's probably just an OTA update that is required on the H990DS to make it work as effectively as the other variants. I've done that now and can confirm it looks to be more responsive. If it's set to auto,
don't make any manual adjustments to the % bar... As regardless of the scene, if you lock and unlock the phone in different lighting situations it's only then it won't adjust.
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I don't have that issue at all.
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roosta said:
I checked the Xiaomi's latest release. No dual SIM support covering band 28 700Mhz.
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I'm looking at going the other way from a Xiaomi Note 4 and looking at the V20 because of the dual sim and band 28
Have you seen the Xiaomi mi Note 2 , there is an international version that is dual sim and supports band 28
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I'm looking at going the other way from a Xiaomi Note 4 and looking at the V20 because of the dual sim and band 28
Have you seen the Xiaomi mi Note 2 , there is an international version that is dual sim and supports band 28
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Looks like great specs. Problem there is I believe it might only be 2G capable on 2nd sim. In Australia, the big carrier 2G networks are turned off as of tomorrow at the time of writing this. 2nd sim must be able to support 3g voice calls with data working on the other sim (that doesn't require it to be dual active: dual standby can work but must use some of the newer chips that support the functionality, namely the new snapdragons)
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Looks like great specs. Problem there is I believe it might only be 2G capable on 2nd sim. In Australia, the big carrier 2G networks are turned off as of tomorrow at the time of writing this. 2nd sim must be able to support 3g voice calls with data working on the other sim (that doesn't require it to be dual active: dual standby can work but must use some of the newer chips that support the functionality, namely the new snapdragons)
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I'm in the same boat myself with the 2g network being switched off , I have not been able to find any info on the mi Note 2 confirming 3g on the second sim although i do belive the snapdragon 821 is capable of it
The redmi note 4 that I have with the x20 is capable of this although I'm not a fan of miui , that's one of the reasons I'm looking at the V20 because of the dual sim with 3g capability on sim 2
@63holdenolden what are your concerns with the v20? I can sell the phone as much as I can hang crap on it. None are perfect.
The 2nd screen is customisable.
It can show recent apps, any app in the app drawer, music controls,etc.
Just go to the 2nd screen settings menu.
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@63holdenolden what are your concerns with the v20? I can sell the phone as much as I can hang crap on it. None are perfect.
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No real concerns , just being thorough as the v20 will probably be my next phone
I know what you are saying about none are perfect , I cannot seem to find one phone that ticks all the boxes for me but the V20 ticks most of them
How has the reception been for you , I notice a few posts about low signal strength
It would be good to get some local feedback
Thanks
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The 2nd screen is customisable.
It can show recent apps, any app in the app drawer, music controls,etc.
Just go to the 2nd screen settings menu.
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So you're saying, when main screen is off, i can still "customise" my 2nd screen? Go into settings of 'when main screen is off'. In my ROM, i can only choose from Sound profile, wifi, flashlight, bluetooth and capture. Nothing else. (In fact, check the same for 'when the screen is of'. Go to quick tools...there's 5 options. You could argue it's for security, certain stuff can only be accessed when the phone is properly unlocked. That should mean when the MAIN screen is on, you could theoretically pick the apps you want to appear on the 2nd screen, but you can't, Only 'recents'. Same thing for the upcoming events - screen only shows one event. You can;t scroll or view the next (eg if multiple in 1 day). I don't know why they've put so many ceilings and limits to the 2nd screen, it's far from useful
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How has the reception been for you , I notice a few posts about low signal strength
It would be good to get some local feedback
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Yeah that's another strange one for me too. I typically only maintain 1/5 of 4G reception despite being in 4GX zone where I live. In the city it's never a problem, but where I am (Telstra) is pretty poor. That said, it's not much different to my G4
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I'm in the same boat myself with the 2g network being switched off , I have not been able to find any info on the mi Note 2 confirming 3g on the second sim although i do belive the snapdragon 821 is capable of it
The redmi note 4 that I have with the x20 is capable of this although I'm not a fan of miui , that's one of the reasons I'm looking at the V20 because of the dual sim with 3g capability on sim 2
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You might find all the informaton you need here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/help/dual-sim-simultaneous-4g-3g-capable-t3370632
Can anyone tell me if the LG V20 F800 Model has an ir blaster i can seem to locate mines. Thanks
Hi, i was at only a "click" to buy this phone, ( I dont like 5.5 huge smartphones.) so this was a perfect fit for me... But then i did a bit of research and i found that the camera is not good, there are very few ROM support, no one bug free, no LinageOS support, the Zui are "not for everyone" and there is only english and chinese official versions, lack of perfect fit screen protection... and then in the forum "ZukFans" i saw some members selling their Zuk Z2 Pro after a week of use...
With all of this drawback the phone still worth it? I dont have money to buy another phone if this doesnt fit me. I dont like 5.5 huge smartphones. This have the 4G band that i use, powerful SOC, 6GB Ram, the perfect screen size, and "in paper a good camera".
Please be honest about this, I do not believe in the reviews, only in what the community thinks. Thanks!
The biggest things wrong with the phone are that there is no expandable notifications or quick replay and no lock screen widgets (music play buttons etc). The buttons on the notification bar work, but you can't see the name or the thumbnail (at least with spotify and google play). The camera has gotten improvement, including full manual controls in the nougat update. I don't think it's terrible. It works ok. If camera is a focus for you maybe find something else. The flash is a bit warm and not very bright from what I found.
Some people are having probs with notifications too, but personally I haven't had an issue. You need to mess with safe center to make sure that it keeps the apps in memory, and allow notifications. If you don't it'll auto close the app to conserve battery.
There is someone working on an unofficial Linage ROM, but we'll see what comes of it.
Beside camera it is a beast.i would rather prefer my old mi5 camera.it was just best.even better than samsung and iphone.price you it is really woth it.especially 6gb ram and 128 storage is a big advantage.as i said only thing bothers me is a quality of camera.thats all
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Hi, i was at only a "click" to buy this phone, ( I dont like 5.5 huge smartphones.) so this was a perfect fit for me... But then i did a bit of research and i found that the camera is not good, there are very few ROM support, no one bug free, no LinageOS support, the Zui are "not for everyone" and there is only english and chinese official versions, lack of perfect fit screen protection... and then in the forum "ZukFans" i saw some members selling their Zuk Z2 Pro after a week of use...
With all of this drawback the phone still worth it? I dont have money to buy another phone if this doesnt fit me. I dont like 5.5 huge smartphones. This have the 4G band that i use, powerful SOC, 6GB Ram, the perfect screen size, and "in paper a good camera".
Please be honest about this, I do not believe in the reviews, only in what the community thinks. Thanks!
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I very much liked the camera, it works very well. Nearly all photos I took came out nicely. I can compare the cam to a few phones, including iPhone, and I think it does a good enough job.
As to ROM support - there is not much of it. Stock was fine with me, no issues, but some privacy concerns. We are talking about China here...
In the long run, I am not sure about ROM support from ZUK. If they stop updating it, this phone is basically dead.
If you want no larger phone, how about a Huawei P9 or even Nova?
I sold my Z2 Pro and kept my Sony Xperia X which really has a poor cam but very good software support on their Concept path. I'm on 7.1.1 with security patch from Jan 2017...
well, seems not a good choice after all to buy this phone, so dissapointed. And seems that will be forgotten so fast... that scares me. I cant understand why is happening this to a smartphone with brilliant specs... Thanks very much for your replies!
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I very much liked the camera, it works very well. Nearly all photos I took came out nicely. I can compare the cam to a few phones, including iPhone, and I think it does a good enough job.
As to ROM support - there is not much of it. Stock was fine with me, no issues, but some privacy concerns. We are talking about China here...
In the long run, I am not sure about ROM support from ZUK. If they stop updating it, this phone is basically dead.
If you want no larger phone, how about a Huawei P9 or even Nova?
I sold my Z2 Pro and kept my Sony Xperia X which really has a poor cam but very good software support on their Concept path. I'm on 7.1.1 with security patch from Jan 2017...
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Thanks for the suggestions, but i like phones with physical home button (i hate the on screen back-home-menu buttons), the other thing i dont like are the black borders like the LeEco Phones.
Would like to use this thread, not create new one.
Could You tell mi if it's still worth considering? Right now?
I'm looking for new device. First choice is/was LG V20. Thought that after V30 will be out, the proce will drop and I will get it, but unfortunately 2nd display is not working on custom Roms, I cannot stand stocks, so it makes it nothing special...
Than I remembered Z2 and now Im thinking about it. It's pretty cheap for it's insides. Have custom rom support, which doesn't make important features unusable. As for camera I have Moto X Play and Xperia Z2 (coincidence? Don't think so!), which are really nice, so I can survive how it works on nonstock roms.
Only think I hate is that I seem not find any black version of Zuk (GSMArena states that there is one), but I think I survive white device
Could You tell me if everything works fine? How fast GPS gets fix? Does BT drops a lot? Anyone uses BT headphones? Hows the sound (I have AWEI A920BL and maybe they are not the best, but for bicycle they are awesome)?
I mean on custom Roms, like AEX.
Is it hard to mod? I have modded many devices, even Lenovo ones, but never had Lenovo with Snapdragon
Is there any chance for brick when unlocking bootloader (does it have to be done?), rooting, flashing TWRP?
How many versions of Z2 Pro are there? One I'm considering is Z2121. Does it makes modding more difficult or something?
Well I will try to answer a few of your questions:
Is phone worth buying? Yes, but of course only if you cannot find comparable device with better price and better community support. SD820 will perform great for a long time.
Black version was hopelessly sold-out long ago but white version is also nice.
GPS on stock was lightning fast, usually fixed in around 5 secs. On AEX in 20-30 secs, but I have used it only once since flashing so maybe next time will be better.
Bluetooth - no problem with car radio connection, works like a charm both on stock and AEX.
There is always chance for bricking, but follow instructions and you are safe. There are no brutal 100 step howtos with huge red warning like "One mistake and kiss your device goodbye".
That's what I need to hear. With GPS it may be place where You were trying to get fix. Have and had a lot of devices and mostly 3-5 secs was needed.
As for comparable device I don't see any. 820 is still great, 6 GB RAM will be enough for next few years. 128 GB is even to much for me (still would love to have SD slot, but with this space I can survive without one).
As for bricking I was afraid coz there were some devices I modded which could be very easily bricked. Never happen, but considering how easy is to mod Xperia or Moto... let's say I would prefer for every phone be that easy
What about this Z2121? Is it something special version? Chinese or ROW one? Or all Z2 Pro are Z2121 and I'm just looking for something were nothing is too look for?
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That's what I need to hear. With GPS it may be place where You were trying to get fix. Have and had a lot of devices and mostly 3-5 secs was needed.
As for comparable device I don't see any. 820 is still great, 6 GB RAM will be enough for next few years. 128 GB is even to much for me (still would love to have SD slot, but with this space I can survive without one).
As for bricking I was afraid coz there were some devices I modded which could be very easily bricked. Never happen, but considering how easy is to mod Xperia or Moto... let's say I would prefer for every phone be that easy
What about this Z2121? Is it something special version? Chinese or ROW one? Or all Z2 Pro are Z2121 and I'm just looking for something were nothing is too look for?
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Z2121 is the real name of this phone^^ like SM-XXXX for Samsung phones.
For me GPS is 5-7 second to fix on AEX 4.6
Just one thing on AEX we have to mod the build.prop and change ro.product.model=Z2 Pro to ro.product.model=Z2122 because it's the name on stock ROM and without this we don't have 60 fps on YouTube and all Play Store apps.
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And for the price, specs and developers community are amazing ! S820, UFS 2.0 memory, 6GB LDDR4 RAM, Super AMOLED screen, f/1.8 13 Mpxl camera, glass/metal body and PHYSICAL HOME BUTTON !
Thanks. So now I have to convince myself to spend 200€
Physical Home sounds good, but I prefer phones with bigger screen and OSB, so I can turn them off, install LMT and use PIE
Just wanted to say thet ordered ZUK today. So month-two and there will be new device for me to play with