The Samsung Galaxy S III (SG3) from T-Mobile (and other carriers) does not work well with Google Voice.
When making outbound calls using Google Voice, the SG3 does not capture the number of the recipient who you are calling. Instead, the SG3 device captures the "google voice relay/bridge number." This is really annoying. This is a major hassle as it is VERY important for me to look at my call logs to know who I have dialed in the past. SG3 behaves in a non-intuitive way. Adnroid phones do not behave this way.
I have had to return my phone, while I still could, because this problem is NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.
I have posted questions everywhere on the Web. I have called Samsung tech support and Google Android tech support.
The trouble seems to originate from the fact that Samsung created their own custom phone dialer, rather than customizing (or extending) the REAL android OS dialer. Samsung does NOT want you to use Google Voice. Samsung wants to do their own analysis on who you are calling so they can track you (this is dictated by their phone carriers T-Mobile / ATT / VZW, etc.
Samsung tech support will tell you that Google Voice is a 3rd party app and 3rd party apps are not support on the phone. Well BULL CRAP.
Samsung purposely broke the phone dial-er and made overall consumer experience worse. Samsung SHAME ON YOU! If I wanted my hardware to be under control of the manufacturer, even though I have paid for it, I would buy the crap iPhone, why would I buy a crap Samsung.
Bye bye Samsung, hello Google NEXUS.
Article can be found here: http://www.idigitaltimes.com/samsun...d-features-att-and-verizon-models-wont-468357
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Samsung’s Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ flagships will officially hit stores Friday. But if you are a Verizon or AT&T subscriber who is used to rooting smartphones, beware. Rooting these carrier models of the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ will shut down your phone completely.
The Verizon and AT&T models have a carrier specific mechanism, which is apart of the Samsung Knox Security Suite, Samsung Knox director of business development Ram Motipally detailed to iDigitalTimes at a recent briefing in New York prior to the Galaxy Note 5 and S6 Edge+ launch. “In most of the U.S. devices, if you root the device the device won’t even boot up; if it’s AT&T or Verizon,” he said.
Root prevention has been an on-going aspect of Samsung Knox since it’s inception. In the early days of Knox, rooting a Samsung smartphone could trip a key on a device, which would void the warranty. Root prevention through Knox has been developed to where the rooting Samsung Galaxy S6 or Galaxy S6 Edge handsets will disable the Samsung Pay mobile payment feature. But now, if a Verizon and AT&T variant of the Galaxy Note 5 or Galaxy S6 Edge+ is rooted, users will see only a black screen with a message explaining the device cannot boot up because it has been rooted, Motipally explained.
Other Galaxy Note 5 or Galaxy S6 Edge+ handsets, such as T-Mobile, Sprint and unlocked variants do not include this feature. Rooting would simply disable Samsung Pay as it does on the Galaxy S6 or Galaxy S6 Edge. Root prevention is heavily tied to Samsung’s enterprise push, to get more devices like the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ in the hands of business users.
Samsung Knox was once a feature introduced to devices through software updates, but it now comes standard on all Samsung smartphones. The software is heavily ingrained within the Android framework and the kernel of Samsung’s devices, Samsung Business vice president, mobile product marketing, Eric McCarty explained at a business launch for the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ last Thursday.
In particular, Samsung Knox includes a Root of Trust, which dictates what tasks a device can execute with confidence. Some of the functions of a Root of Trust are detecting rootkits and recognizing unauthorized changes to a smartphone’s system or program. This especially speaks to the Verizon and AT&T models of the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ as Verizon and AT&T are especially adverse to customization of their devices.
The continued implementation of Knox onto Samsung devices has alleviated many concerns about safety in using Android in the enterprise space, Samsung vice president of marketing strategy and operations, Ed Abrams told iDigitalTimes in July. However, this focus on enterprise users could be a detriment to dedicated Android developers or Samsung enthusiasts who are not in love with the TouchWiz user interface.
Android-based smartphones have been popular, largely due to the open source nature of their software and user’ ability to customize devices through rooting. But with Google as one of Samsung's partners for its business sector, users could continue to see root prevention efforts in new and upcoming devices.
Samsung needs to allow all apps in multi window without root, and android needs a full device backup procedure.
Sure you can let the play store put your apps back but it doesn't restore the data.
I may be able to live without root on the Note if it had those two things.
I'd really miss lmt and xposed though.
For data restore, I use Helium. Its the next best thing when we can't use titanium backup
pool_shark said:
Samsung needs to allow all apps in multi window without root, and android needs a full device backup procedure.
Sure you can let the play store put your apps back but it doesn't restore the data.
I may be able to live without root on the Note if it had those two things.
I'd really miss lmt and xposed though.
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if you have tried MIUI they do have full system restore. dont get why google cannot put it in stock android.
I read that on idigitaltimes yesterday, but is that the 100% final word on AT&T and Verizon Note 5?
It seems to be the only article out there with this information - would there not be any (theoretical) way around it at all?
More than likely idigitaltimes is correct. for the last 2-3 yrs (with the exception of the G2 and g3 for LG) Verizon units have been difficult to root
Is there any proof?
any word on root for note 5 t mobile? i'm about to buy mine soon
i just sold my note 4 didn't know someone was gonna buy it full price that soon
http://youtu.be/qCh0QuEwAgY
Maybe this will work?
Another reason why I will be boycotting another round of samsung phones.
gbux said:
Another reason why I will be boycotting another round of samsung phones.
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Agreed, me too.
Oh well, it's Samsung's loss anyway...
TheUndertaker21 said:
any word on root for note 5 t mobile? i'm about to buy mine soon
i just sold my note 4 didn't know someone was gonna buy it full price that soon
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It stated in the article that rooting would only disable the Samsung Mobile Payments app.
Thats jst silly, you should be boycotting big red and the att. seriously, tmobil is a phone junkies best friend. 3 upgrades a year with jump on demand and they couldnt care less if your bootloader is unlocked or knox has been tripped on sammy. all they care about is 1 2 3, turn on, screen is not cracked, no water damage. plus t mo has volte, wifi calling, and lowest prices. I was big red for almost a decade, from back when it was LA cellular or airtouch, cant remember. THen i gave up the best reception in america for great reception in my area and a company that doesnt try to screw me at every angle. love tmo so much i actually bought some stock in it. but that was also because i think leger is hilarious and i wanted to vote for him with my wallet.
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Samsung needs to allow all apps in multi window without root, and android needs a full device backup procedure.
Sure you can let the play store put your apps back but it doesn't restore the data.
I may be able to live without root on the Note if it had those two things.
I'd really miss lmt and xposed though.
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I agree... I find it bizarre that iOS has proper backups, as did my old old blackberry (couldn't even tell anything had happened. Yeah it needed a PC connection but I'd be ok with that). The only thing I would add is being able to do things like toggle GPS without root - the fact that I have to go five clicks* to turn my location mode from battery saving to high accuracy and navigate back to my navigation app is insane.
* Long press the location quick toggle, mode, high accuracy, back, back.
Glad I didn't wait for it then. Tired of locked Bootloaders and am loving the plethora of AOSP ROMs on my Nexus 6.
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I was big red for almost a decade, from back when it was LA cellular or airtouch, cant remember.
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Verizon was Airtouch -- LA Cellular (me, since 1994) became AT&T.
I've been with T-Mo since '05 :good:
use package disabler pro to remove all bloatware
kodina said:
Agreed, me too.
Oh well, it's Samsung's loss anyway...
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The next best thing to root is pacakge disabler pro
At least the international versions only casualty is Samsung Pay if rooted. I'll never ever buy another AT&T branded device again. Would love to switch to T-Mobile but their service isn't good in my area.
The simple solution to this is to switch carriers. And when retentions asks you why you are leaving, say "Because carrier X allows me to root without bricking the device." I think once they lose enough customers that way (and losing market share to other carriers), they might start rethinking it.
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Thats jst silly, you should be boycotting big red and the att. seriously, tmobil is a phone junkies best friend. 3 upgrades a year with jump on demand and they couldnt care less if your bootloader is unlocked or knox has been tripped on sammy. all they care about is 1 2 3, turn on, screen is not cracked, no water damage. plus t mo has volte, wifi calling, and lowest prices. I was big red for almost a decade, from back when it was LA cellular or airtouch, cant remember. THen i gave up the best reception in america for great reception in my area and a company that doesnt try to screw me at every angle. love tmo so much i actually bought some stock in it. but that was also because i think leger is hilarious and i wanted to vote for him with my wallet.
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The only problem is that t-mobile has terrible coverage outside of cities. My only option is to get the t-mobile version then throw a att sim card in there and hope I get good service.
Hello!
I just got my Nexus 6P and am loving it so far, really a great phone coming from iPhone.
Located in Canada, I know my options are quite limited when it comes to mobile payments with the phone.
It seems that the Big Three (TELUS, Rogers, Bell carriers) got together to create a service called suretap (suretap . com)
On the suretap website it says that the phone must have NFC support (check!), and I must have an NFC SIM card. Now before I go out and buy one, I am wondering if anyone knows if the 6P is compatible with these NFC sim cards, basically with a secure element in them?
I was reading that the Nexus 4/5 are not supporting because they cannot store information on the SIM (hardware limitation) and I wonder if it is the same on the 6P?
On the suretap website they have a list of supported phones, none of which are the 6P, but it could be that they just didn't update the website yet since the phone did recently get released. Here is the list...
BlackBerry Classic
BlackBerry Q5
BlackBerry Q10
BlackBerry Z10
BlackBerry Z30
HTC M7
HTC M9
LG G4
LG Optimus G2
Samsung Galaxy Alpha
Samsung Galaxy Core LTE
Samsung Galaxy Note 2
Samsung Galaxy Note 3
Samsung Galaxy Note 4
Samsung Galaxy Note 5
Samsung Galaxy S3
Samsung Galaxy S4
Samsung Galaxy S5
Samsung Galaxy S5 Active
Samsung Galaxy S6
Samsung Galaxy S6 edge
Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+
Samsung Grand Prime
Sony Xperia Z3
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Let me know what you think!
Thanks. m179
Bank support of phones in Canada is a HUGE joke. Suretap, UGO, whatever, barely anything works unless you have the unholy trifecta of a bank, carrier and phone that work together.
NO phone will work that isn't on one of those lists. And as you can see, the pretty much only bother with Samsung phones. Why isn't the Xperia Z1, Z2 or Z5 on there? Why isn't the LG G3 on there but the G2 and G4 are? And in many cases, even if you do have a phone on that list, it'll probably still not work for some reason they can't explain. Read the reviews of Suretap and UGO Wallet on the play store. I fought with UGO for months getting my Z2 and Z3 to work, and never did. Required about half a dozen calls to my BANK to get the process restarted when it got messed up over and over. Z2 used to be on the list, then they took it off when they realized it never worked.
In case you're wondering, in order for a phone to be added to the Suretap or UGO lists, the carriers have to test and certify it and nobody knows who chooses which phones get certified.
Anyway, RBC has an HCE mobile payment (no NFC SIM needed) solution that worked great on Lollipop. For some reason it's not working on Marshmallow but they're aware of it and are fixing it. So in the meantime, get an RBC Visa (not Mastercard) if you want a chance of being able to pay with your Nexus 6P. I'd be amazed if Suretap or UGO ever support the 6P.
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Bank support of phones in Canada is a HUGE joke. Suretap, UGO, whatever, barely anything works unless you have the unholy trifecta of a bank, carrier and phone that work together.
NO phone will work that isn't on one of those lists. And as you can see, the pretty much only bother with Samsung phones. Why isn't the Xperia Z1, Z2 or Z5 on there? Why isn't the LG G3 on there but the G2 and G4 are? And in many cases, even if you do have a phone on that list, it'll probably still not work for some reason they can't explain. Read the reviews of Suretap and UGO Wallet on the play store. I fought with UGO for months getting my Z2 and Z3 to work, and never did. Required about half a dozen calls to my BANK to get the process restarted when it got messed up over and over. Z2 used to be on the list, then they took it off when they realized it never worked.
In case you're wondering, in order for a phone to be added to the Suretap or UGO lists, the carriers have to test and certify it and nobody knows who chooses which phones get certified.
Anyway, RBC has an HCE mobile payment (no NFC SIM needed) solution that worked great on Lollipop. For some reason it's not working on Marshmallow but they're aware of it and are fixing it. So in the meantime, get an RBC Visa (not Mastercard) if you want a chance of being able to pay with your Nexus 6P. I'd be amazed if Suretap or UGO ever support the 6P.
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Thanks for the response.
Yeah I agree it sure is a mess if any Canadian wants to use their phone to make mobile payments. Shortly after posting this AM I discovered that RBC used HCE, something that I think all banks should be using (but i'll save my rant for another day!) and am currently looking into the possibilities of getting an RBC VISA card as well.
I would assume that the 6P is capable of HCE? Are all NFC-enabled Android phones capable of this?
m179
Well, barring any unforeseen complication, yes any NFC enabled phone should work with HCE since it's all software based. The rest of the world uses HCE, it just us slow Canadian banks that use NFC SIMs at all.
Guys, really hoping you can help me out here, my situation is kinda weird. I work in a Amazon, and they've disabled work emails on almost all Android devices barring the latest Nexus phones. I'm really keen to buy the S7E, but I really want to have the mail configured, and there seems to be no update from the company on when they'll resolve this issue.
Not sure if this is the right forum: Will S7E be easy to root and change ROMs in, and if so, is there a way I can make my phone seem like a Nexus 6P to the Amazon servers and get mail configured on it? Nexus 6P isn't available on contract in Singapore and I can't afford to spend $900 myself, so it's either S7E or iPhone 6S+.
Yep flash stock rom from other region all will be good
Hey guys,
I am thinking of buying Samsung Galaxy S8 from Microsoft store, because it's offering $150 off. I was just wondering if it'll be a better option than Original version? As, Microsoft apps will be implemented on top of it, it's most likely to be bloated. My question is, can I delete the apps like Cortana, outlook etc and download my preferred apps?
It'll be great, if anyone who is using this Microsoft edition phone, can share some experience with the phone.
Also, is there any good deals on Blackfriday on Unlocked galaxy S8 US version? All the deals I saw were on contract.
Thank you!
mpulock said:
Hey guys,
I am thinking of buying Samsung Galaxy S8 from Microsoft store, because it's offering $150 off. I was just wondering if it'll be a better option than Original version? As, Microsoft apps will be implemented on top of it, it's most likely to be bloated. My question is, can I delete the apps like Cortana, outlook etc and download my preferred apps?
It'll be great, if anyone who is using this Microsoft edition phone, can share some experience with the phone.
Also, is there any good deals on Blackfriday on Unlocked galaxy S8 US version? All the deals I saw were on contract.
Thank you!
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I think the Microsoft apps will be installed as System apps. So without root, you may not be able to uninstall them.
Windows phones failed for a reason. You buy an S8 for a reason and it's not Microsoft.