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I currently am using a LeEco S3 with 3GB of RAM. I have decided to move on to a Moto G5 Plus since Best Buy has the pre-order deal with the $5 case. It ultimately comes down to how much I am spending. The 2GB version is $229. The 4GB version is $299. I don't want to cheap out yet at the same time I don't want to throw an extra hundred down and not notice a real difference multitasking wise. Would you say that the 2GB is good enough or am I better off spending the extra for the 4GB version? It sucks every review I've seen and read is specifically on the 4GB version.
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I currently am using a LeEco S3 with 3GB of RAM. I have decided to move on to a Moto G5 Plus since Best Buy has the pre-order deal with the $5 case. It ultimately comes down to how much I am spending. The 2GB version is $229. The 4GB version is $299. I don't want to cheap out yet at the same time I don't want to throw an extra hundred down and not notice a real difference multitasking wise. Would you say that the 2GB is good enough or am I better off spending the extra for the 4GB version? It sucks every review I've seen and read is specifically on the 4GB version.
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2 GB is okay but your system would be using like 1.9 GB on an average.With upgrades to O more ram is likely going to be required.So it's better to go with 4 GB variant than have a lagging phone after updates.
I am a g4+ user with 3 GB RAM.
Lol I just did the same thing! Returned the S3 for the g5 plus 64gb. The S3 has weird lag even though it's processor is "better" so glad I switch cause this thing flies! Depends on your app usage but the 4gb model is necessary for heavy users and gamers! Casual use then go for the 2gb.
That's funny. I was wondering this but I already ordered the 2 GB one lol. That's me second-guessing myself. Currently using a Nexus 6 with a busted antenna(?).
Hi,
This is my oppion: 2GB of RAM is a joke from Motorola/Lenovo. Forget completly any Android 7 phone with less than 3GB of RAM!
I suffer a 2GB Moto G4 (not plus) for a year with only 2GB or RAM... just a constant lag.
2gb is too slow
I have brazilian version of Moto G5 Plus and for me until now is excellent 2 Gb of RAM
I have the 2GB version and for me it is more than enough. At most I have 3 or 4 apps going and I don't game on my phone. The most I'll tax it is using navigation with a podcast going or making a phone call. But if you're a heavier user then yeah the 4GB would be a better bet.
2 gb is plenty. It works great!
If you look around there are A LOT if articles out there explaining why anything over 2gb is pretty much useless.
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Developers surely are not targeting over 2GB yet as the vast majority of phones in use are 2GB or less. Maybe if you wanna switch between apps much, have a lot of web tabs open, etc, you will see benefit from more than 2GB? I bought 4GB RAM version because I want to be able to keep the phone for about 3 years, and I already had as my previous phone the OnePlus One, which needed to be replaced as I had used it for 3 years and the edges were starting to crack, battery is old, etc. I didn't want to DOWNGRADE to LESS RAM (not so logical reason, just I didn't feel like my new phone after three years should have less RAM than my old one).
I think I'd be happy with 2GB RAM phone. I kind of wish it had NFC because I think I'd like to be able to use Android Pay (though I never did actually use it when I had OnePlus One for 3 years?!!). I remember forgetting my wallet one time I went out and thinking how nice if I could pay with my phone, which I wouldn't forget.
To go big at the onset will cost you $70. Unless you wait until the phone's price gets under $70 it'll be an expensive upgrade later.
My phone, with four gigs, frequently runs with 1.8 to 2 gigs in use.
Plus the extra onboard storage that comes with the 4gig model is kinda sweet.
I'm not a big spender but the jump to the 300 model was easy for me to justify without me feeling like I was lying to myself as to why I wanted more.
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I currently am using a LeEco S3 with 3GB of RAM. I have decided to move on to a Moto G5 Plus since Best Buy has the pre-order deal with the $5 case. It ultimately comes down to how much I am spending. The 2GB version is $229. The 4GB version is $299. I don't want to cheap out yet at the same time I don't want to throw an extra hundred down and not notice a real difference multitasking wise. Would you say that the 2GB is good enough or am I better off spending the extra for the 4GB version? It sucks every review I've seen and read is specifically on the 4GB version.
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Go with the 4gb varient, you won't regret. [emoji4]
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Remember those e-machines that have the sticker saying "This machine is never obselete?" Yeah, you know how that turned out. You don't want your phone to be an e-machine saying that. I exchanged my 2GB model for a 4GB model simply because I am a heavy user, I had a lot of reloading apps in multitasking; no regrets there on upgrading. It depends, though: unless you're a heavy user like me (games, mulit window, chrome, youtube, ect memory hungry apps) you won't see a major difference. Still, more is better, and choosing the 4GB of memory over the 2GB would be future proofing for updates, such as the upcoming Android O and Android 7.1 (that is if Lenovo doesn't drop us like it dropped the 2015 Moto G). In general, with more RAM, more apps can stay open, and games, if you play them, will run just a bit better if they are memory heavy. You won't notice anything if an app opens right where you left it, but you will notice if it reloads on you. Nevertheless, even standard issued apps like Chrome and YouTube use a lot of memory. I'd say shoot for the 4GB RAM and 64GB Storage. It's better for the long run, and really you'll want it soon enough.
tl;dr it depends, but futureproofing is a good idea.
Defiantly go for the 4gb variant.
Depends on your usage. I tend to use 2-3 apps at a time and close them regularly. Besides, I don't use the phone for gaming.
If you plan on keeping tons of apps in memory and expect them to be there after 2 hours, yeah, 4GB is the way to go.
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Depends on your usage. I tend to use 2-3 apps at a time and close them regularly. Besides, I don't use the phone for gaming.
If you plan on keeping tons of apps in memory and expect them to be there after 2 hours, yeah, 4GB is the way to go.
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2GB of RAM is just dandy for any smartphone application. Even games.
There are a few reasons you find more memory on phones; some good, some not-so-much.
RAM is Cheap. Really cheap these days. In the days of 32-bit CPUs, there was no practical value to offering more than 3GB RAM, like my Samsung Note Pro 12.2 tablet here. But with 64-bit processors, 4GB is a few bucks more than 2GB. Naturally, manufacturers don’t want you to know this. After all, even if it’s $2.00 a phone, if you’re Apple, that’s $200 million extra profit in a year.
Marketing Wars. Consumers are a simple people.. they don’t really know how stuff works. So basic numbers sell. A 4GB phone just sounds like twice as much as a 2GB phone. A 20Mpixel camera sounds so much better than a 12Mpixel camera — even though the top phone cameras right now are 12Mpixel cameras (the iPhone 7 is also a 12Mpixel camera, but not on the top, its sensor is too small).
Multitasking. The rule of thumb for Windows, at least, used to be 2GB per CPU core. Which means my PC here ought to have at least 12GB. I have 64GB… no problem. But if you extend this to Smartphones, pretty much no one has 2GB per core (and yeah, there are 8 core Smartphone chips, but most of those are big.LITTLE designs, they only normally use four cores at once). Neither Android nor iOS are as memory-hungry as Windows, and we’re not running a full Photoshop or Altium (my EE CAD software) or AutoPano Giga (the reason I have 64GB on my desktop). A typical Android application can ask for up to 48MB of RAM, no more. But there’s a special way to ask for hundreds of MB of RAM (considered impolite), and native apps can make Linux calls and get all they want. And you can actually have them all runinng at the same time. So if you’re a power user, you may want more than 2GB. But it’s not one app, it’s having a faster system with everything running.
High Density Screens. When I had a smartphone with 256MB RAM, I also had a 640x480 screen. My LG V10 today has 4GB RAM, but it’s also got a 2560x1600 screen. So does a 13x increase in screen resolution need a 16x increase in memory? Not exactly. On Android, your apps have to deal with all kinds of different phones, and most apps don’t need to directly interface with allocating screen bitmaps or anything, any more than a web browser does. But iOS is based on pixels and bitmaps, and also, there were very few models. So every software compamy knew exactly what resource they had. Then the iPhone 6 Plus came out, with the same 1GB as all sorts of other Apple phones. Only, the screen was 1920x1080 resolution. And all screen drawing was actually done in 1242 2208x1242 and then downscaled to 1920x1080. Bottom line: the overhead too enough extra memory over any other 1GB iPhone that some things just broke. Which is why they put 2GB into the iPhone 7.
So if you’re an iPhone user, your only choice is 2GB today in a new model. That’s exactly the right amount, since the memory size will drive software development. And you don’t have the option for more, anyway. For Android, 2GB is a good amount for 2017. I’m not really convinced I need more than that. Then again, I haven’t used up half of the 64GB internal flash on my V10, and the 256GB microSD card is mostly full of photos and music. Not critical, but nice to have.
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mindmajick said:
2GB of RAM is just dandy for any smartphone application. Even games.
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This is true, any app from the Play Store will run just fine even with 1GB of ram.
But what I was talking about was the fact that most people just leave a ton of apps open and expect them to be that way for long periods of time without redrawing the entire app again.
If you leave open2 games, chrome, whatsapp, messenger spotify, play store, gmail, outlook, evernote, etc... and expect every single of them to be open, you're gonna have a hard time with just 2GB of ram.
That's why 4GB of ram is necessary.
I do not open more than 4-5 apps at a time and tend to close them right after I'm done with them, so 2GB is plenty, even for future versions of Android (if we trust that they will maintain the same line of work for future versions).
Hello! I am thinking about changing my poor old Oneplus One for this beast. But I am worried about the RAM quantity. At this moment I have 3GB RAM and I don't know if 4 will be enough.
Isn't TouchWiz 4GB = 3GB AOSP debloated?
silverkin said:
Hello! I am thinking about changing my poor old Oneplus One for this beast. But I am worried about the RAM quantity. At this moment I have 3GB RAM and I don't know if 4 will be enough.
Isn't TouchWiz 4GB = 3GB AOSP debloated?
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Of course it is enough + you won't keep your phone for more than 2-3 years. TouchWiz got better, but not perfect. My phone still has ~1.5 GB of Ram left. My notebook has 4 GB Ram with fast SSD, don't see any slowdowns on Win 10 Pro.
With the poor ram management 2.5 GB is enough because at no point it uses more than that on our phones. I have apps refreshing when I come back but only half of ram is being used.
in my opinion, 4gb is not enough..... For that kind of high-end phone, samsung should have put 6Go at least into it. I'm talking about ram managment which is pretty bad in android and when you take a look at speedtests (even if this is not reflecting real daily uses) you can see than phone with 6go of ram are able to keep many apps in memory way better than the s8. When you start to run heavy apps or games, the built-in memory killer kills a lots of background app and then when you need to switch back into an other recent app, the phone almost reload it :'( That's frustrating
4GB Ram is enough. More RAM means more apps running in background which means more battery consumption. So 4GB looks a good balance here atleast for S8 which has only 3000 mah battery.
i don't think so excuse me. Of course, more ram maybe means more battery consumption but i prefer that and kill apps runing in background manually to keep battery life rather than the os kills things that i still need :/
When you have 4gb then 4gb isnt enough, when you have 6gb then 6gb isn't enough... its never enough.
4GB is enough for most any smartphone. I also have a OnePlus 3 with 6GB ram and while it can keep more programs running in the background, it never totally accesses the entire 6GB ram. Read this XDA article on RAM: https://www.xda-developers.com/the-ram-conundrum-do-we-really-need-6gb-ram-on-android/
4 is enough, and please after buying it do not ask about why just a little of it is free! The ram is for holding services and apps in background so cpu should not work again to bring them up, if it's filled do not be sad, it's natural.
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in my opinion, 4gb is not enough..... For that kind of high-end phone, samsung should have put 6Go at least into it. I'm talking about ram managment which is pretty bad in android and when you take a look at speedtests (even if this is not reflecting real daily uses) you can see than phone with 6go of ram are able to keep many apps in memory way better than the s8. When you start to run heavy apps or games, the built-in memory killer kills a lots of background app and then when you need to switch back into an other recent app, the phone almost reload it :'( That's frustrating
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Why should you want to keep many apps in memory? The S8 loads them so quick anyway.
Who needs in real day use to keep in memory 5-6 games plus 6-7 apps ? That's what they are doing in speed test , but in every day use it's not need for 6-8 GB ram in this moment. In my opinion for the manufacturer it's simpler to put more ram in a phone instead a better over all optimization.
Hi everyone
As you all probably know, the P10 Plus has 6GB of RAM.
Having looked at demo's instore, of the Plus model (running Nougat), it only shows 2.95 GB available, from the 6GB installed - with only Phone/Contacts running in the background.
(Personally I'm VERY dissapointed by that):crying:
QUESTION, after the Oreo update, how much RAM is available then?
2.87 with inly xda running. Why is that so important? Tge phone is lightning fast
free RAM is waste of RAM
what poiny of having big RAM when not fully utilized?
Yuaru said:
free RAM is waste of RAM
what poiny of having big RAM when not fully utilized?
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Back in die days of the 1st Galaxy S, I used to run out of RAM quickly.
Eversince then, RAM is important to me, especially in a flagship.
Utilization isn't always an option, hence lots of RAM is important (in my opinion) & is required.
in my opinion as i already use p10 plus and OP3T. both has around 3GB free RAM. Here i attached my device RAM. noted that i have many unclosed apps. i hope it help you. device not even fill sluggish although i open lots of apps
Yuaru said:
in my opinion as i already use p10 plus and OP3T. both has around 3GB free RAM. Here i attached my device RAM. noted that i have many unclosed apps. i hope it help you. device not even fill sluggish although i open lots of apps
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Great, that's what I'm looking for. I'll be uploading the photo's I took in-store to show what I mean.
Apparantly, one can use Huawei's HiSuite Windows program to restore your firmware after an update, in case Oreo doesn't play nicely.
I've attached some photo's to my post, have a look
Developer options allow one to limit the number of background apps that use RAM. But they allow 0-4 apps or the "standard" option.
For those of us who have the 12GB RAM version, is there a way to keep more apps in memory?
I keep having 5.6 GB RAM available and I want to use it...
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Developer options allow one to limit the number of background apps that use RAM. But they allow 0-4 apps or the "standard" option.
For those of us who have the 12GB RAM version, is there a way to keep more apps in memory?
I keep having 5.6 GB RAM available and I want to use it...
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This is a good question. I notice the same thing on my 12gb model
i was tempted by the 12gb, but having to wait two days for it to ship kept me in the 512gb model personally, never been a patient one, never will be, 8gb is already overkill for a phone anyway, heck 12gb is 4gb short of what an actual gaming PC (the kind that play actual games not bloatware) should be minimum specced to, you're not gonna need that much power on a phone and if you do you're using it for the wrong things.
i wouldn't have minded a 1tb 8gb model though, i had to severely cut down my music library for the moto z force when i originally got that.
Well I just saw 4.4 GB RAM left only. I do wonder if there is a hard limiter after which preloaded apps are killed.
Regarding the debate of an overkill, I'm old enough to remember a time when the Intel 586 CPUs were promised to have "infinite calculating capacity"
The only reason I bought this model is that the s7 model I had lasted enough (2.5 years) to become too slow.
I'm hoping this device will last longer.
In any case does anyone know what the "standard limit" of allowed process is on this model and how I can force all RAM to be made available?
stop asking shovelware developers to script-kiddie in 64 bit, there's no kind way to say it.
ystasino said:
Developer options allow one to limit the number of background apps that use RAM. But they allow 0-4 apps or the "standard" option.
For those of us who have the 12GB RAM version, is there a way to keep more apps in memory?
I keep having 5.6 GB RAM available and I want to use it...
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That option is to limit apps, not allow more.
Phone uses LMK values probably coded in kernel and its not related to option you are seeing in dev options.
Also, 6gb ram used is alot, what more do you want to keep in memory, are your apps reloading or what?
I like my browser to have many pages preloaded (640 MB) , several texting apps, email, forums, videochatting, etc. XDA app takes 248 MB. Right now apps and system are using 7.2 GB of RAM...
This really is a mobile computer for personal use and that's why I bought it. I like to have all apps and pages preloaded and use them as a reminder of what I need to stay in touch with.
Right now everything loads fine, but in the future apps will become heavier and I'm hoping that Samsung isn't limiting that.
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I like my browser to have many pages preloaded (640 MB) , several texting apps, email, forums, videochatting, etc. XDA app takes 248 MB. Right now apps and system are using 7.2 GB of RAM...
This really is a mobile computer for personal use and that's why I bought it. I like to have all apps and pages preloaded and use them as a reminder of what I need to stay in touch with.
Right now everything loads fine, but in the future apps will become heavier and I'm hoping that Samsung isn't limiting that.
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U can't know and also you can't control it anyways, we can just hope Samsung didn't set memory killer too aggressive.
Also you should turn off auto memory optimisation in device care menu as it kills apps daily.
I did the above and can report that I'm at 3.3 GB of free ram. I haven't restarted in 4 days or killed any apps.
So it's not an issue, Samsung does allow the system to use the available RAM.
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Developer options allow one to limit the number of background apps that use RAM. But they allow 0-4 apps or the "standard" option.
For those of us who have the 12GB RAM version, is there a way to keep more apps in memory?
I keep having 5.6 GB RAM available and I want to use it...
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You're not supposed to be touching that option and no, your device isn't killing your apps after 4 of them are running, you can keep as many as you want in background until you run out of memory.
So I recently bought a new s10 plus but I made a post about it already but I haven't received the phone so I didn't know anything about it, today I received the phone and checked the ram and its only 8GB is this normal or is it suppose to be like 12 or 10 GB ram? (my phone is 12 GB ram and 1 TB variant). Also, is the screen supposed to flicker a lot when it opens up the camera because mine do?
Download Device Info HW from the play.store and check the specs
Anything more than 6 gigs of RAM on an Android phone is nothing but a marketing gimmick. The vast majority of people don't need more than 6 gigs of RAM on a laptop--according to Microsoft the minimum RAM requirement to run Windows 10 is 1GB which is stretching it but 6GB is more than enough to provide an extremely smooth experience for anyone who isn't a power user. With that in mind what practical purpose could having 8GB or 12GB of RAM on an Android phone possibly serve?
The expanding RAM numbers were a gimmick to convince the gullible that they needed to purchase expensive new phones--these are the same kind of people who don't question why they need a higher resolution display on a phone with a 10" display than on a 55" television screen.
Now that more RAM and higher resolution are the norm the latest gimmick is smartphone displays with higher refresh rates. Most people won't actually be able to see any difference but that hardly matters if it sells phones.
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So I recently bought a new s10 plus but I made a post about it already but I haven't received the phone so I didn't know anything about it, today I received the phone and checked the ram and its only 8GB is this normal or is it suppose to be like 12 or 10 GB ram? (my phone is 12 GB ram and 1 TB variant). Also, is the screen supposed to flicker a lot when it opens up the camera because mine do?
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So you already stated you have purchased a 1TB 12GB ram s10.. and you received an 8GB ram s10? Where did you buy it from? I would bring it back since it may be the wrong one or it may be fake depending where you purchased it from.
How much did you pay for the device?
seanteoh1999 said:
So I recently bought a new s10 plus but I made a post about it already but I haven't received the phone so I didn't know anything about it, today I received the phone and checked the ram and its only 8GB is this normal or is it suppose to be like 12 or 10 GB ram? (my phone is 12 GB ram and 1 TB variant). Also, is the screen supposed to flicker a lot when it opens up the camera because mine do?
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It is possible the wrong product got delivered to you, If your order correctly states that your device should be a 12 GB variant, you need to do a RMA.
Just to be sure update your device, for checking your RAM, go to settings -> Device Care -> Memory. At the top it should list, there should a be a bar and just under it your used memory/total memory.
For checking storage, go to settings -> Device Care -> Storage. At the top it should list, there should a be a bar and just under it your used storage/total storage.
If either of these don't match your order, please check with the seller, you should only get what you paid for.
As for the screen flicker, it really shouldn't happen, on my device opening the camera app is a rather smooth animation.
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Anything more than 6 gigs of RAM on an Android phone is nothing but a marketing gimmick. The vast majority of people don't need more than 6 gigs of RAM on a laptop--according to Microsoft the minimum RAM requirement to run Windows 10 is 1GB which is stretching it but 6GB is more than enough to provide an extremely smooth experience for anyone who isn't a power user. With that in mind what practical purpose could having 8GB or 12GB of RAM on an Android phone possibly serve?
The expanding RAM numbers were a gimmick to convince the gullible that they needed to purchase expensive new phones--these are the same kind of people who don't question why they need a higher resolution display on a phone with a 10" display than on a 55" television screen.
Now that more RAM and higher resolution are the norm the latest gimmick is smartphone displays with higher refresh rates. Most people won't actually be able to see any difference but that hardly matters if it sells phones.
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Dude, what is your problem? OP asked for verifying the specs of his device and not a lecture on what is the appropirate amount of RAM according to you! Did you even read his question?
matt0323 said:
So you already stated you have purchased a 1TB 12GB ram s10.. and you received an 8GB ram s10? Where did you buy it from? I would bring it back since it may be the wrong one or it may be fake depending where you purchased it from.
How much did you pay for the device?
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Hi sir, I wasn't very clear , sorry.. i currently have 8.5 GB ram available with no apps opened and seller confirmed it was original although I am still afraid coz I bought it not from official shop. In us dollar it's about 800 usd but in my country it's Rm 3000.. I am not sure its suppose to have 12 GB of ram if I have no apps opened or is it normal to have 8.5 gb of ram bcoz it might eat some ram for the system to run so I opened this thread.
Android is designed to fill most of the RAM at all times. In simple terms, empty RAM is wasted RAM.
As you start using apps, Android will keep your most commonly used apps in RAM, so that they launch quickly each timeyou open them or switch between them.
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Hi sir, I wasn't very clear , sorry.. i currently have 8.5 GB ram available with no apps opened and seller confirmed it was original although I am still afraid coz I bought it not from official shop. In us dollar it's about 800 usd but in my country it's Rm 3000.. I am not sure its suppose to have 12 GB of ram if I have no apps opened or is it normal to have 8.5 gb of ram bcoz it might eat some ram for the system to run so I opened this thread.
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Well if you go to; Settings, Device Care, Memory. It tells you how much RAM you got..
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Well if you go to; Settings, Device Care, Memory. It tells you how much RAM you got..
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oh.. yeah i got 12 gb.. Thx you very much