Hi there! Has anyone got Android Pay to work on this phone? I used to have a Nexus 6P and it worked flawlessly, however, with the Nokia 5, every time I attempt a payment, the phone vibrates, and I get the message "try holding your phone to the terminal again". I have tried everything already, and I have also tried another NFC payment method (Barclaycard).
I have spoken with my bank (everything is fine on their end), I have had my phone swapped by Carphone Warehouse and I have even spoken to Google customer service (who promised to give me a call back and never did).
The NFC chip works fine, it was tested on store.
Has anyone managed to use Android Pay with this phone?
I really like this phone but I use Android Pay daily. Any help would be highly appreciated.
Thanks!
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There's support app in the phone. Try writing to them.
Benderisas said:
There's support app in the phone. Try writing to them.
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Hi Benderisas, I tried writing to them and unfortunately, they were completely useless [emoji20]
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Hi guys, I just wanted to know whether someone has been able to use NFC payments with this phone. I know I posted the question about three weeks ago but I still haven't found anything online nor have I managed to get it to work. Has anyone had any luck?
I've just got one of these and set up android pay, haven't actually tried it yet, I'll get back when I have.
markatmgpc said:
I've just got one of these and set up android pay, haven't actually tried it yet, I'll get back when I have.
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Hi Mark, yes please, do let me know
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Used it in Asda today, initially I didn't think it was going to work, seems to find the nfc in the bottom half of the device. It was unlocked and I had the pay app open so next time I'll try without the app open
Hth
markatmgpc said:
Used it in Asda today, initially I didn't think it was going to work, seems to find the nfc in the bottom half of the device. It was unlocked and I had the pay app open so next time I'll try without the app open
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Hi Mark, thanks for letting me know. So it did work, right? That's really weird, I had my phone swapped for a brand new one... What are the odds that I got a bad batch?
By the way, did you get any sort of message or it just worked?
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Yep, worked fine, again today without the app open. Seems to be the bottom half of the back
I have written a message to Nokia support, I'll let you know what they come back with. The truth is that I feel a bit like I've been ripped off.
Since I already had the phone swapped by the Carphone Warehouse once, I don't think there's any use in going back there (especially since it's been almost two months since I got the phone now).
I really hope Nokia gives me some sort of solution.
Hope you get this sorted out, I've been using android pay over my debit card nearly all of the time since getting this phone.
When using I get immediate notification and if the app is not on the screen it wakes and shows the transaction.
markatmgpc said:
Yep, worked fine, again today without the app open. Seems to be the bottom half of the back
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The NFC chip on the Nokia 5 (TA-1024) is located around the camera assembly in the top third of the handset.
chancooluk said:
The NFC chip on the Nokia 5 (TA-1024) is located around the camera assembly in the top third of the handset.
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Hi chancooluk, thanks for your message.
I know where it is located, in fact, the NFC reader detects it, but it vibrates twice and gives me the error illustrated in my first post.
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Hi chancooluk, thanks for your message.
I know where it is located, in fact, the NFC reader detects it, but it vibrates twice and gives me the error illustrated in my first post.
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I've only attempted to pay with mine a couple of times, using Barclays Contactless, it has generally worked. The only issue I've had is with the memory management bug (which I've posted about in the forum) killing the Barclays background process, which stops the handset from registering the payment. I don't have a card which is compatible with Android Pay, but could it be that one of the background processes has been killed, which is preventing tap to pay from working correctly?
To test the NFC reader on a handset I usually place my Contactless Debit Card around the back of the phone until it plays the NFC notification sound (the screen needs to be on and unlocked for it to work).
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I've only attempted to pay with mine a couple of times, using Barclays Contactless, it has generally worked. The only issue I've had is with the memory management bug (which I've posted about in the forum) killing the Barclays background process, which stops the handset from registering the payment. I don't have a card which is compatible with Android Pay, but could it be that one of the background processes has been killed, which is preventing tap to pay from working correctly?
To test the NFC reader on a handset I usually place my Contactless Debit Card around the back of the phone until it plays the NFC notification sound (the screen needs to be on and unlocked for it to work).
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When I put it against my partner's iPhone, it triggers the IPhone's Apple Pay's screen but my phone doesn't do anything. I'm also able to pair it with Bluetooth speakers via NFC, so the NFC chip seems to be working and I know where it is located, it's just Android Pay (and Barclays pay) that doesn't seem to be working...
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When I put it against my partner's iPhone, it triggers the IPhone's Apple Pay's screen but my phone doesn't do anything. I'm also able to pair it with Bluetooth speakers via NFC, so the NFC chip seems to be working and I know where it is located, it's just Android Pay (and Barclays pay) that doesn't seem to be working...
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Can you attempt to make a payment after restarting the handset (within 10 mins of it booting) and see if that is successful? If it is it could likely be the memory bug killing a background process which is needed for payments. (The memory bug goes away temporarily after a restart).
Thanks for your suggestion chancooluk, but no luck. I just tried what you suggested and I got the same error message. I don't know what to do at this point... I'd go back to the Carphone Warehouse but I don't trust them that much... besides, I already had the phone exchanged once and now I'm past the 14 day period
Edit: What banks are you using?
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Thanks for your suggestion chancooluk, but no luck. I just tried what you suggested and I got the same error message. I don't know what to do at this point... I'd go back to the Carphone Warehouse but I don't trust them that much... besides, I already had the phone exchanged once and now I'm past the 14 day period
Edit: What banks are you using?
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I have only tried it with Barclays contactless, which uses the Barclays mobile banking app rather than Android Pay. It works, but only if the background process is on, so I have to remember to do a restart, then log into the app prior to paying.
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I have only tried it with Barclays contactless, which uses the Barclays mobile banking app rather than Android Pay. It works, but only if the background process is on, so I have to remember to do a restart, then log into the app prior to paying.
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Oh ok, I'll try it tomorrow with Barclays as I also have their card and the app installed. I tried it days ago and it didn't work, but I hadn't restarted the phone. Thanks for the heads up and I'll let you know!
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I have only tried it with Barclays contactless, which uses the Barclays mobile banking app rather than Android Pay. It works, but only if the background process is on, so I have to remember to do a restart, then log into the app prior to paying.
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Still no luck, when I put my phone against the terminal, I don't get any sort of feedback but the assistant at the till said it asked for my PIN number...
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Has anyone got the GPS to work on a verizon vogue? I am running OMJs oem verizon rom with gps and rev a enabled. (http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=25335) i have turned location on and still can not got a pretty blue dot in google maps. i have searched all over multiple forums and found nothing. for many people with sprint they run ppst.exe and all is well but i have read this can brick the phone for verizon users. so does anyone know how to get it to work?
You could try GPSToday and activate the GPS with that. That's what I use, works great!
GPS on Verizon Vogue
I use the gps with the same rom you are using and it works great. I generall use Livesearch for my gps app, and before I launch it I will always open GPSViewer and let it sit on my dash of my car for 5 minutes tops before I get on the road. Once GPSViewer locks onto a few sats, I am good to go.
Exact ROM I'm using and it works great!! I was suprised how well LiveSearch was with directions, it would automatically re-route if you went off course, it was sweet!!!
Anyhow, it took me about 3 days to finally get a lock on to the sats. Main reason was I tried from indoors, but I was near the window on a clear sky. Then sure enough, I walked outside, stood in my office parking lot and picked up 6 sats!!
If you haven't already try outside, and be patient!! I believe once you get the initial feed from the sats, you'll be good from then on out. There was a reg change that may help.
HKLM>Software>HTC>SUPL AGPS>GPS Mode
Try changing from 2 to either 1 or 4, some had better luck that way.
actually i figured it out a few days ago and will post what i found for others you need to change the messaging settings....
And for Pic/Vid Messaging
Start>Messaging>Pics/Video>Menu>Pics/Video Configuration>Servers Tab
Edit Default
Server Name: Verizon Wireless
Gateway: Nothing Goes Here
Port Number: 80
Server Address: Http://mms.vtext.com/servlets/mms
Sending Size Limitation: 500K
Wap: 2.0
in the servers tab all I c is verizon wireless and can't edit anything ..
check out the wiki
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=VerizonAGPSFix
It worked great, pickup sat less then 20 seconds outside 11 sats.
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check out the wiki
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=VerizonAGPSFix
It worked great, pickup sat less then 20 seconds outside 11 sats.
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+1 on this fix! It used to take at least 5 minutes outside on a clear day to get a signal, at first, then about a min after that. With this fix, I got a lock in about 7 seconds inside my office! Not to mention, that sitting in my house, downtown, picks up in about 15 seconds! It worked so well, my GPS picked up that I moved from my dining room to my kitchen, all of 10 feet!
help me
ok i've spent months trying to understand how to get gps on my completly stock verizon vogue but it is way over my head. i'm to afraid to try knowing i really don't understand. somebody give me a starting point or better yet if anyone is in the salem, oregon usa vicinity i would be happy to pay for a little one on one tutorial.
rndlopez16 said:
ok i've spent months trying to understand how to get gps on my completly stock verizon vogue but it is way over my head. i'm to afraid to try knowing i really don't understand. somebody give me a starting point or better yet if anyone is in the salem, oregon usa vicinity i would be happy to pay for a little one on one tutorial.
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Until Verizon releases a GPS enable ROM update you cannot enable GPS on your stock Verizon Touch. But you can enable GPS by upgrading with a Sprint, Altell, or Bell ROM. Here is a tutorial that's a little dated but it's a good place to start.
Basically you have to upgrade the radio with a Sprint, Altell, or Bell ROM to get GPS. Then you have to flash a ROM that will work on your Verizon Touch. There are a bunch of them available. Of course, once you start there is no going back because there is no stock Verizon ROM available.
TY for your response and i have read the tutorial but again struck fear in my peanut sized brain. I called Verizon support and did get one of the rep's to admit that they are working on a new "GPS enabled Official ROM" and are expecting it to be released before the end of the year. Think I will wait till its out.
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TY for your response and i have read the tutorial but again struck fear in my peanut sized brain. I called Verizon support and did get one of the rep's to admit that they are working on a new "GPS enabled Official ROM" and are expecting it to be released before the end of the year. Think I will wait till its out.
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When a company like VZW gives you a release date, don't believe it! They were due to release the Blackberry Storm, the first touch screen blackberry, and for reasons I forget, decided to hold it for an extra three months!
I figured this much before I first flashed, there are tons of users changing their ROM, I've changed mine probably 15 times in the past two months. Not to mention, once you use the AGPS hack, you'll pickup a sat lock in seconds, even while inside. I couldn't wait any longer, VZW is far too slow and behind other carriers.
gps
I doubt vzw will give us our gps on our stock rom. they want to sell their gps subscription. they will only provide it on a future phone when everyone has it as a stock function. ie the massess
gps is not that important for me so i am sticking with stock rom for now. their are rom(s) with instructions for releasing your gps but you will have to unlock your phone. it sounds easy but from what i read you have to take care to follow instructions. read here and on ppcgeeks search for vx6900 gps and you will get what you need.
rndlopez16 said:
TY for your response and i have read the tutorial but again struck fear in my peanut sized brain.
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Me too. And I fix computers for a living! The available tutorials had me terrified that I was going to have to buy a new Touch at full price OR get arrested by the Verizon secret police.
The prudent thing to do is to wait for Verizon to release any ROM update even without GPS. Then you have a safe fallback if you wreck your phone with custom upgrades.
Personally though I couldn't wait, and I'm glad I didn't wait because now I'm really enjoying the full use of my Touch as it was designed... fast Internet, GPS maps, and better call quality.
Despite the terror-inspiring tutorials the only really dicey part of the process is upgrading the radio to another carrier (Sprint, Alltel, or Bell). Unlocking the phone (which is only done once) and flashing custom ROMS (which you'll probably do lots of times) is child's play. Focus on the process of upgrading the radio until you're comfortable with it and you'll be fine.
Ok so where do i start, unlock, flash, or upgrade radio...still not sure about this, i can't afford to be without a phone with my work. would still prefer someone in my area to show me in person and still willing to pay...
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Has anyone got the GPS to work on a verizon vogue? I am running OMJs oem verizon rom with gps and rev a enabled. (http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=25335) i have turned location on and still can not got a pretty blue dot in google maps. i have searched all over multiple forums and found nothing. for many people with sprint they run ppst.exe and all is well but i have read this can brick the phone for verizon users. so does anyone know how to get it to work?
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Try my rom. I have VZW and GPS works. I just released v3 and GPS works really fast without the AGPS fix . Im not sure if its the new build or what. Here's a link to my thread. CRiSTAL ROM v3
No GPS
I'm not sure what I have done wrong ... I have the 3.42 radio and installed the OMJ Rom (even tried the one from Crystal) but still no GPS. I had previously flashed the unofficial VZW ROM and with the GPS adapter found on another post the GPS worked beautifully.
I've tried standing outside to see if that is the problem but am still lost.
Any ideas?
Also ... I tried the aGPS VZW Fix but still nothing
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Also ... I tried the aGPS VZW Fix but still nothing
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It's got to work !
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I installed the OMJ rom, flashed the radio to 3.42 and even ran the VZW aGPS fix. I ran GPS viewer for nearly 20 minutes (indoors and out) with no lock. what could I have possibly done wrong?
If this helps you I would appreciate it if you hit the "Thanks" button on this post.
I can finally 100% confirm that the GPS signal lost issues we have is software related.
The best workaround I have found for this is to:
Root your phone using Kingo or whatever root method you prefer
install KNOXRAID
@drakeymcmb made this ROM, so you know it's going to work.
***WARNING TO ALL USERS***
This thread is not a "Best ROM" thread and will NOT be treated like one! Possibly any ROM that's "rigged" will fix the GPS issues, but this is currently the only one I have found that works right every time.
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UPDATE: I wanted to add that if you have a AT&T ROM installed (may work on other ROMs, but definitely ask drakeymcmb before trying anything with a different ROM), Drakeymcmb has a fix here I'm quoting.
I already posted a fix for this issue a few days ago. Here is some feedback that I got. And here is the dl link.
http://www.mediafire.com/?j9tq965psemg9nv
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I would like to appreciate drakeymcmb for the fix.
I have two AT&T Galaxy Note 3 and I had exact same problems on both Note 3. (GPS was turned off when power was plugged in or out and the connection switched between 4G and 4G LTE)
First, I did factory reset to my one of Note 3 and installed only GPS Test APP on the stock with rooted to test GPS. It seemed to work well when power is plugged in or out and then I installed Apps that I need and checked if GPS worked well whenever an App was installed. It looked like the factory reset fixed the problems but the problem happened again after about 12 hours. (I did this last night and GPS worked well before I went to bed but this morning, it happened again)
Frankly, I hesitated to apply this fix because I did not have enough information and did not know how to apply this fix but I thought it was worth trying this fix.
Here is how I applied this fix. (I think this is not the best way but this is what I can do with confidence. Please be careful and do this with your own risk)
1. Backup the following files
/system/lib/hw/gps.default.so
/system/lib/hw/gps.goldfish.so
/system/lib/libloc_adapter.so
/system/lib/libloc_api_v02.so
/system/lib/libloc_eng.so
/system/etc/gps.conf
2. Unzip Gpsfix.zip
3. Copy the files in the zip to the corresponding location.
4. Change the permission of the files to rw-r--r--
5. Make sure if the owner of the files is root
6, Reboot
After that, I tested GPS with my two Note 3 (one has the fix and the other does not).
The one with the fix works great when power is plugged in or out or the connection is switched between 4G and 4G LTE while the other one has still same problem. (after several testing, I applied the fix to the other Note 3 so my two Note 3 are working well now)
So far so good. I will update if I have any changes.
Drakeymcmb
Thank you very much. You are the best.
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I can finally 100% confirm that the GPS signal lost issues we have is software related.
The only workaround I have found for this is to
root your phone
install safestrap
install X Note
from the Android Development section. It's a ported international ROM which means it has all the GPS files from the International version.
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This thread is not a "Best ROM" thread and will NOT be treated like one! Possibly any ROM that's ported will fix the GPS issues, but this is currently the only one I have found that works. If you find another ROM that works please post here!
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good ****. got lost a few times because of the gps.
I will 2nd this "fix"...
I actually rooted/SS/ROMed my phone a few days ago because I saw that it did possibly fix the GPS problem.
I was having the issue where GPS would disconnect when changing cell towers, or if I plugged/unplugged the power from the phone. I could reproduce it very easily.
So, I installed X-Note, and did some testing yesterday, and did not have a single GPS drop in over two hours of testing. I was also able to plug/unplug the power without losing GPS signal. On the way back to work this morning, I switched back to my stock ROM slot in SS, and the issue was back.
I do NOT know if the issue is fixed with any other ROMs. I have only tried X-Note at this point.
Would be great to know what is actually causing the issue with the stock software. Samsung still plays dumb about the problem, acting like they have never heard about it from anyone. I was very close to getting a replacement from AT&T under warranty, but just hadn't gotten around to it yet. May still do that if I get the urge/time to put everything back to stock. I just don't want to end up getting a "refurb" from them. I've gotten one on a past phone, and it was a piece of crap that had more problems than the one I turned in. I'm not sure how much testing they actually do on a refurb phone before thinking it is ok to give out to someone else.
I exchanged my phone 4 times with AT&T before I accepted a replacement. I complained each time about their lack of testing. The 4th one they sent was brand new. If you get a chappy phone, keep requesting replacements.
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I exchanged my phone 4 times with AT&T before I accepted a replacement. I complained each time about their lack of testing. The 4th one they sent was brand new. If you get a chappy phone, keep requesting replacements.
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Your use of "chappy" reminded me of this:
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I too can confirm it's some sort of a software/app conflict problem. This is what I posted on AT&T's forum:
Like you guys I have been doing the same thing. After wipe it seems to work fine, and I do suspect it's a software issue. I was actually in the process of writing an update here last night, as I was writing I decided to check it one more time to be absolutely sure I'd gotten rid of the problem when it happened again.
At the time I suspected the Flipboard widget that's preinstalled on our homescreen as that was the last app I started up before it happened. So then I wiped my phone a second time last night to test out Flipboard, but to my dismay the GPS continued to work perfectly even after I had signed in to the widget. Then I suspected GSam as that was the app I set up prior to Flipboard. So I left GSam uninstalled since the wipe last night, everything was still working until a few hours ago. I was going to drop by here and give an update when I thought, okay one last test... then boom we're back to square one.
It has to be some sort of software issue as all 3 of us have noticed, a factory wipe without installing apps/backup restore works but after we install our apps and use it for a day or so it bugs out again. But I can't think of what might be causing it, what app could affect the GPS chip like that? Plugging/unplugging normally has NOTHING to do with the GPS, so why is it causing it to shutdown. And the 4G LE to 4G switch too, it's on a separate radio, so how does it affect GPS? This is beyond annoying but at least we've been able to confirm with a 80-90% probability that it's not a hardware problem.
To add to that, once the problem has been triggered, even if you boot into Safe Mode it still exists. So it might even be something in the firmware itself. The only way to get rid of it is a factory reset or flash a different ROM like others have done here. Sometimes I do really HATE AT&T. Seems their ROMs are the buggiest and most untested out of the 4 major carriers and on top of that they lock our bootloader too.
Link to the thread on AT&T forum:
http://forums.att.com/t5/Android-Di...g-Galaxy-Note-3-GPS-Issue/td-p/3824953/page/2
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If it's software related, how do those who exchange their phones get it corrected? My assumption is they set their replacement phone up the same way they had it prior to having the GPS issues?
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If it's software related, how do those who exchange their phones get it corrected? My assumption is they set their replacement phone up the same way they had it prior to having the GPS issues?
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Being that it's software, we don't know what the trigger is. It could be any combination of things. For instance, it could need things to be done in a certain way to set it off, like say setting up the My Magazine then hitting My Story then going into Flipboard. And if it's not done in that order it won't set it off. When you reset your phone and set it back up, do you always do it in the exact same order each time? This app first then that app? This setting first then that? No, it's always in a different order.
Deduction tells us that it's software. Can't be hardware if it works right? Hardware either passes or fails, there isn't an in between. So if all of us that do a factory reset and it works until we start personalizing it, then obviously the hardware works right? And those guys that posted above about going to X-Note ROM and their GPS works correctly shows that it's not hardware right? Hardware can't choose to work with certain software and be faulty with others, that's the software's doing. The guys above aren't the only ones to have it work perfectly on X-Note either, a few others on other Note 3 GPS threads and a few on the AT&T forums have said the exact same thing, going to X-Note solves their problem.
One last thing to consider, GPS and wireless radios on our phones are different, AT&T may not have been able to test each model extensively on their ROM and Samsung may have. Take off your back cover and look at the top right corner, judging from the Note 2 that should be your GPS chip, see that number? That identifies the model of your chip, I've seen people say they have 1-4 or 1-3 or 4-4 or 2-2 and so on. Each batch with the different chips Samsung could have tested extensively to ensure their ROM works with all those chips. AT&T probably does not as they probably don't pay attention to those components because they're not the manufacturer.
Everything in this world is based on deductive reasoning, you use it whether you're a car mechanic or refrigerator repairman or computer technician or help desk or even doctors. What do you think House does? That's what most doctors do, they make an educated guess based on symptoms and if they're wrong, they've eliminated one possibility and gone on to the next until they find a cure. Deductive reasoning at work, and so is this thread.
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This is my thought after reading about simular problems with other brand Android phones and also some iphones. There's a technology used by some but not all phones called aGPS. What this is a gps that relies on cell tower assistance for better gps tracking. From all the simular complaints this theory is a match. Another reason I come to this conclusion is that the gps - cell - wifi - and Bluetooth are all independent components. But if you put your phone in airplane mode and try to use the gps it won't be able to lock onto your location. But other Android phones are able to do this in airplane mode. Then I tested the theory and when I enable the wifi the gps locked dead on my location. Then I turned off airplane mode and let the cell sign connect and I hit locate and it did the same thing as wifi. So some how the gps is linked to aGPS.
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Alright so @drakeymcmb uploaded the fix http://www.mediafire.com/?j9tq965psemg9nv
Flash it through SS and report back.
xfaega said:
This is my thought after reading about simular problems with other brand Android phones and also some iphones. There's a technology used by some but not all phones called aGPS. What this is a gps that relies on cell tower assistance for better gps tracking. From all the simular complaints this theory is a match. Another reason I come to this conclusion is that the gps - cell - wifi - and Bluetooth are all independent components. But if you put your phone in airplane mode and try to use the gps it won't be able to lock onto your location. But other Android phones are able to do this in airplane mode. Then I tested the theory and when I enable the wifi the gps locked dead on my location. Then I turned off airplane mode and let the cell sign connect and I hit locate and it did the same thing as wifi. So some how the gps is linked to aGPS.
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This has NOTHING to do with A-GPS, this thread is not about the GPS taking a long time to fix, please don't convolute it. A-GPS has to do with TTFF, it doesn't switch off a GPS chip. I suggest you do a lot more reading on A-GPS and understand what it is. And read what this thread is about, or GPS chips pretty much TURN OFF when we plug/unplug the charger when we ALREADY HAVE A LOCK. And the it does the same thing when switching network from 4G LTE to 4G.
I don't know what you're talking about with your "tests" because first of all they have nothing to do with our problem discussed in this thread and second you seem confused. Let me clarify for you.
Firstly, we don't have a problem with fix or how long it takes to fix or if it even fixes at all. We all get SOLID fix, our GPS loses signal at the plug/unplug of a charger and at the change in network i.e. going from 4G LTE to 4G. Do you see why your "tests" have nothing to do with us? You see why you're confused?
Secondly, you must be confusing not getting a fix with not loading a map. Without mobile data or WiFi your favorite navigation program will be unable to LOAD A MAP, not unable to obtain a GPS fix. And without mobile data and WiFi (here's where the A-GPS part comes in) your phone is not getting A-GPS data which gives you a slower TTFF. But if you wait long enough it will eventually get a fix. Use a GPS test app so that way there's no map to be loaded and just wait in airplane mode, you'll get a fix in less than 30 seconds.
Are things clearer now? Let's not convolute this thread for people coming here seeking answers to their problematic GPS OK?
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I'm not confused. Loading map has nothing to do with the tracking of the gps. The gps radio relies on cell coverage.
Here read this
http://backcountrynavigator.com/using-android-gps-airplane-mode/
Anyway I hope the fix fixes the gps issue.
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The problem is the GPS radio turns off and stays off when switching from LTE to 4G and vise versa. Doesn't really have anything to do with getting a fix on a satellite.
A bit testy are we goldendragon? Lol
Came back to edit this to say I'm still laughing 5 minutes later lol
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Ok fine. Since you asked nicely. First, have you even read what I wrote in my first comment to you? Did you do what I said? The part about testing with a GPS test app so there's no map to load? You can even use Google Maps, it just won't show you the map but it'll get a GPS fix.
The map is only stored in the cache if it's loaded that area before. The entire map of the US is not going to be stored in your cache, not even an entire zip code. So there's no cache if it's never loaded that part of the map before. BUT as long as you've got a blue dot with a pointing arrow then that's your GPS fix.
Had you read or done what I said, you'd find that your Note 3 works fine without A-GPS and it does not need an Internet connection. Put your phone in airplane mode then open up Google Maps and leave it open and just wait. After a while you'll get a fix, better yet download GPS Test and open it in airplane mode. Can't be any easier than that.
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I read what you posted. When I do the test with airplane mode on I get nothing even waiting after a minute or so. That's why I was under the impression the note 3 gps is a A-GPS. Heres a screen shot I took.
There's no blue dot nor arrow. But if I turn on wifi it instantly locates my location.
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xfaega said:
I read what you posted. When I do the test with airplane mode on I get nothing even waiting after a minute or so. That's why I was under the impression the note 3 gps is a A-GPS. Heres a screen shot I took.
There's no blue dot nor arrow. But if I turn on wifi it instantly locates my location.
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Ok it's not that a phone is A-GPS or not, it's does it use it in conjuncture with GPS. Assisted GPS just means that instead of letting the GPS chip do all the work, your location data is sent to your phone over mobile data or WiFi to Assist the GPS in figuring out where you are. So without the information sent over your GPS will still work but just slower in getting a fix. That's why I linked you that article. And that's why I said you were confused in the first place, I wasn't being mean then, at least not yet anyways.
Wait longer or like I said download GPS Test and see what's going on with your GPS chip. Download it then put your phone in airplane mode then run that app. Wait and see what it says. I don't know how long is the average but my phone gets a fix in airplane mode in less than 30 seconds, but if yours doesn't get it that quickly then just wait longer. But using the GPS Test app you'll actually see the satellites and how strong the signals are, it'll let you know if your GPS is actually trying to get a fix or not. Try it with the app and see what happens.
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gold3ndrag0n said:
Ok it's not that a phone is A-GPS or not, it's does it use it in conjuncture with GPS. Assisted GPS just means that instead of letting the GPS chip do all the work, your location data is sent to your phone over mobile data or WiFi to Assist the GPS in figuring out where you are. So without the information sent over your GPS will still work but just slower in getting a fix. That's why I linked you that article. And that's why I said you were confused in the first place, I wasn't being mean then, at least not yet anyways.
Wait longer or like I said download GPS Test and see what's going on with your GPS chip. Download it then put your phone in airplane mode then run that app. Wait and see what it says. I don't know how long is the average but my phone gets a fix in airplane mode in less than 30 seconds, but if yours doesn't get it that quickly then just wait longer. But using the GPS Test app you'll actually see the satellites and how strong the signals are, it'll let you know if your GPS is actually trying to get a fix or not. Try it with the app and see what happens.
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I tried the app my signal is only 22. This is where I get confused my note 2 was able to use gps in airplane mode and without cell service. It was accurate. But for what odd reason I can't even get a location lock in airplane mode on the note 3. I know it's been said it's a software issue so has any tested the gps in airplane mode to see if it is actually working?
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xfaega said:
I tried the app my signal is only 22. This is where I get confused my note 2 was able to use gps in airplane mode and without cell service. It was accurate. But for what odd reason I can't even get a location lock in airplane mode on the note 3. I know it's been said it's a software issue so has any tested the gps in airplane mode to see if it is actually working?
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22 what? Take a screenshot. I have and it works perfectly fine in airplane mode.
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Agent said:
I can finally 100% confirm that the GPS signal lost issues we have is software related.
The only workaround I have found for this is to
root your phone
install safestrap
install X Note
from the Android Development section. It's a ported international ROM which means it has all the GPS files from the International version.
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I was on the phone with tech support and we went through the entire thing. I did a total restart of the phone and reinstalled all the apps. So far so good. Worked fine on a couple of errands today. I did not reinstall any app that deals with downloading AGPS however and my phone still locks pretty quick. Will follow up in a few days. BTW version of phone as far as I can make out is 1-1
Walter.White said:
Alright so @drakeymcmb uploaded the fix
Flash it through SS and report back.
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This may be a stupid question but does this fix work with the stock ROM (ie rooted and SS installed)
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https://plus.google.com/+DavidSchuster/posts/6h8ahhkY9GQ
https://motorola-global-portal.cust...prod_answer_detail/a_id/105508/p/30,6720,9277
Now that motorola dropped the bomb and even the update page it's public, I want to know how you guys feel with the update, please don't ask for off topic matters, like unrooting or going back to stock.
What do you think of lollipop?
What do you think about motorola?
Are you getting better battery life?
For me I had better battery on lollipop than kitkat
Did you get the update to 5.1 on your turbo as well? How is the camera shutter speed after the update?
Can one of you who has the update please extract the system.img so we can get to work on trying to create a rooted build? This is being requested by http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3147455
If you don't know how to do so I'm sure Computerfreek can assist. Some of us are unable (such as myself) to take the update so please help. That is what this community is all about.
JakeDHS07 said:
Can one of you who has the update please extract the system.img so we can get to work on trying to create a rooted build? This is being requested by http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3147455
If you don't know how to do so I'm sure Computerfreek can assist. Some of us are unable (such as myself) to take the update so please help. That is what this community is all about.
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Pm'd you the link from root junky with the ota. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post it here so I'll just keep the mess in pm.
No big reason to hate it much at all. Loving the pull-down menu! Too much white, though.
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I updated with the rootjunky soak after checking its md5. Had the phone plugged in for the duration and let it update as I was going to bed. Woke up to a fully functional Lollipop, and haven't had any of the issues others are mentioning. Never rooted.
I didn't remember they stopped letting you change mobile data on/off automatically. I have horrible reception at work and like to turn off mobile data to save battery, and now I'll have to remember to manually change it. Luckily it's only four steps -_- (two-finger swipe down to get to quick settings, click on the cell icon, click the toggle on the top right, accept the confirmation dialog box). Three steps to turn it on - there's no confirmation.
Similar issue with location services: if you turn it off/on through the quick settings, it automatically changes it to High Accuracy instead of the previous setting (like Battery Saving). Luckily, Google changed the way locations are handled last year and this shouldn't be as big of an impact on battery as it had been previously.
The volume modes are going to be a headache to explain to my parents who also have Turbos. Glad I updated before they do...
JakeDHS07 said:
Can one of you who has the update please extract the system.img so we can get to work on trying to create a rooted build? This is being requested by http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3147455
If you don't know how to do so I'm sure Computerfreek can assist. Some of us are unable (such as myself) to take the update so please help. That is what this community is all about.
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We have to wait for Verizon or Moto release the full firmware and then you can patch it, I'm waiting for that too, for the firmware list
I absolutely love the new 5.1 Lolipop. Seems much smoother, faster, better overall appearance. Can't wait to really dig into this and see how the battery life is compared to stock 4.4.4
Overall: huge fan and love it!!
I've been very happy with 5.1 on the Turbo. Honestly, the Turbo seems to run 5.1 much better than my Nexus 9. I haven't had any major problems. I did, however, run into one odd issue that might just be a coincidence. I noticed after updating that I wasn't able to connect to my Verizon Network Extender, even though I still had Advanced Calling disabled (if Advanced Calling is on, and you have an LTE connection, you'll use that over a Network Extender). The Network Extender worked fine with other VZW devices. This went on for about a day, and then it magically started working again.
Forgive me if I over looked it, but I noticed now when I turn my phone volume down to silence it it just goes on vibrate rather than just silent with no vibrate. Did that feature disappear? I hate to be picky but I like to have it on silent while at work and I can't stand having it on vibrate.
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Did an OTA update a few hours ago. Didn't bother with a factory reset and so far no issues that I am aware of. Silky smooth.
streebs87 said:
Forgive me if I over looked it, but I noticed now when I turn my phone volume down to silence it it just goes on vibrate rather than just silent with no vibrate. Did that feature disappear? I hate to be picky but I like to have it on silent while at work and I can't stand having it on vibrate.
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press the volume key and click on the bell on the left, now you are on vibrate
I took the OTA, did a factory reset, and set it up as a new phone; not restoring any backups. It's installing lots of app updates right now, so I haven't done much with it, but I haven't noticed any new bugs. Unfortunately, Lollipop hasn't fixed the wi-fi bug where my phone continually disconnects and reconnects to my wi-fi. It may just be a problem with certain routers (mine is a Belkin N750 DB), but I've got the latest available firmware on my router, too, and everything else works fine with it. I think it's time to see if I can get a warranty replacement.
I'm liking the karate chop light feature!
RichSPK said:
I took the OTA, did a factory reset, and set it up as a new phone; not restoring any backups. It's installing lots of app updates right now, so I haven't done much with it, but I haven't noticed any new bugs. Unfortunately, Lollipop hasn't fixed the wi-fi bug where my phone continually disconnects and reconnects to my wi-fi. It may just be a problem with certain routers (mine is a Belkin N750 DB), but I've got the latest available firmware on my router, too, and everything else works fine with it. I think it's time to see if I can get a warranty replacement.
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I had that router for 7 or 8 years. towards the 6 year mark - it started dropping all my devices randomly so I bought a Cisco AC router and nothing has dropped off once unless I rebooted it or someone "accidently" unplugs it. In my case it was my router that was dropping my client devices off and this was before I bought my DT.
Jaocagomez said:
press the volume key and click on the bell on the left, now you are on vibrate
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Thank you, but I just want a silence feature without the vibration. Any way to do that?
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streebs87 said:
Thank you, but I just want a silence feature without the vibration. Any way to do that?
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pull all the lever volume down
The update fixed the main problem I had with the phone. I play music from my phone to my car's system (Ford Sync) through bluetooth, and it used to not be able to start playback again after returning to my car without me having to manually toggle bluetooth off & on to reconnect it. Now it starts up right where it left off without me having to mess with it, like my old HTC phone did.
I haven't had much time to explore the update yet, but so far so good. I did OTA with no factory reset and everything seems fine.
streebs87 said:
Thank you, but I just want a silence feature without the vibration. Any way to do that?
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Try the app "SoundHUD" (haven't myself, but supposedly gives a silent mode).
GeodudeFFP said:
Try the app "SoundHUD" (haven't myself, but supposedly gives a silent mode).
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Thanks, I'll give that a try.
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Hello to you all !
I have an issue I ran into a day ago while using google maps. I wanted to go to a specific unknown for me location so I logically used gps to triangulate my position and point me in the right direction, but unfortunately, I ran into the problem of the compass readings. I think it is off by 180 degrees, meaning it shows me to go forward while it should say go backwards. Is there a way to fix it because I know that we don't have the luxury of the special menu thru the dialer. Running stock android with package disabler pro.
pursuitforce said:
Hello to you all !
I have an issue I ran into a day ago while using google maps. I wanted to go to a specific unknown for me location so I logically used gps to triangulate my position and point me in the right direction, but unfortunately, I ran into the problem of the compass readings. I think it is off by 180 degrees, meaning it shows me to go forward while it should say go backwards. Is there a way to fix it because I know that we don't have the luxury of the special menu thru the dialer. Running stock android with package disabler pro.
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Just needs a simple calibration. I have the edge so I can just simply pull up my compass and calibrate it on the spot with the edge features. Try downloading GPS Status from the app store. It will allow you to calibrate your compass again.
I have the same problem. I have used the same app but the fix doesn't last long. The next day it's messed up again. I was on a trail the other day and it told me I was facing west when i was facing east. God forbid if I was really lost. Every Galaxy phone I've had had this problem. The GS4G GS3 and now the GS7. I guess Samsung will never get it fixed.
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No issues with my S7 Exynos compass, sometimes a few degrees out which calibrating by moving the phone in a figure of 8 always fixes
Best way I can represent the angles of the figure of 8
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No issues with my S7 Exynos compass, sometimes a few degrees out which calibrating by moving the phone in a figure of 8 always fixes
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I tried that in the middle of the street in the dark on a cat walk one night. then the other way spinning in circles using GPS Status to calibrate it. If anyone saw me they'd be wondering what the heck i was doing. but it never lasts long. by the next day each time it's already out of whack. funny i never had problems with the HTC MyTouch 4G and the HTC One M7.
My compass is messed up too... I tried calibrating using GPS Status app, and still is messed up. Basically, North and south are flip flopped. It's odd. Can't for the life of me figure out how to fix it.
Running Echoe Rom 1.41
I was on a trip and spent several hours trying to fix this off an on, while not trying to look like an idiot waving my phone around constantly like a wand to try to get it to calibrate. GPS Status App seems to fix it for a while and sometimes it works while standing still. But nothing is a permanent fix it seems like.
Cool,at least I ain't the only one so one can pray for a fix some day. I can't even fix it at all,not even for a while ...
pursuitforce said:
Cool,at least I ain't the only one so one can pray for a fix some day. I can't even fix it at all,not even for a while ...
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Same problem here, nothing fixes it. Not even a different rom.
pursuitforce said:
Cool,at least I ain't the only one so one can pray for a fix some day. I can't even fix it at all,not even for a while ...
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Not to burst your bubble but i was hoping it would be fixed since the old Samsung S4G from like was it 2012. I don't know why a top competitor to Apple can't make a usable compass. My HTC phones and the iPhone 6+ i had, had a good compass. The main reason i even went to the iPhone was out of frustration of decent Android hardware choices. looks like the choices are still bleak. then you throw in the Note 7 fiasco it doesn't look good for android hardware choices for this year either.
Ooh,so I guess I will have to get used to it .. Btw,a little offtopic but has someone experienced a weird buzzing noise from the earphone (the speaker above the screen used for voice calls) when calling on messenger?
pursuitforce said:
Hello to you all !
I have an issue I ran into a day ago while using google maps. I wanted to go to a specific unknown for me location so I logically used gps to triangulate my position and point me in the right direction, but unfortunately, I ran into the problem of the compass readings. I think it is off by 180 degrees, meaning it shows me to go forward while it should say go backwards. Is there a way to fix it because I know that we don't have the luxury of the special menu thru the dialer. Running stock android with package disabler pro.
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I have the same exact issue. Can we install the firmware of the international variant, fix the issue and then revert back?
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pursuitforce said:
Hello to you all !
I have an issue I ran into a day ago while using google maps. I wanted to go to a specific unknown for me location so I logically used gps to triangulate my position and point me in the right direction, but unfortunately, I ran into the problem of the compass readings. I think it is off by 180 degrees, meaning it shows me to go forward while it should say go backwards. Is there a way to fix it because I know that we don't have the luxury of the special menu thru the dialer. Running stock android with package disabler pro.
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I have the same exact issue. Can we install the firmware on the international variant, fix the issue and then revert back?
I can not calibrate it with any third party app
Mine is doing the same thing. Any advise would be much appreciated.
rjs987 said:
Mine is doing the same thing. Any advise would be much appreciated.
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Download GPS status. Reset and re-download in manages Agps state. Then calibrate it again. Mine has been 180° off until I did that.
I tried what you suggested with GPS assist but it did not work. I also tried to flash the back to stock files using Odin but that failed. I guess you can't flash those files if your not rooted. I then used Verizon recovery software but that did not work either. I guess my compass is just broken. I will try calling Verizon to see if I can get a new phone....
If anyone has any other ideas please let me know.
Was not doing much with my G6 today except webbrowsing and I walked over to my phone to find this error
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Links to this page: https://support.google.com/nexus/an...6698467256067-2151825810&p=verified_boot&rd=1
Eventually it said the system was corrupt and could not be started. Contact customer service.
I managed to get the phone to reboot and it started up fine. Have never seen this error so wondering if someone could explain?
Is it related to Secure start-up? Or maybe malware? There's not really anything installed on my phone that I wouldn't trust.
Will call T-mobile today.
Well this is unnerving to see....
this is the screen you see after you unlock the bootloader... shows on my phone as well and everytime you boot the phone. on my ZTE 7 it's slightly different, but message is the same. did your phone reboot on it's on? maybe after installing the latest update?
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this is the screen you see after you unlock the bootloader... shows on my phone as well and everytime you boot the phone. on my ZTE 7 it's slightly different, but message is the same. Did your phone reboot on it's on? maybe after installing the latest update?
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I'm assuming it restarted itself since I was out of the room when it happened. It looked like it tried restarting a few times. It refreshed that screen a few times, then it said that the system is corrupt and it could not be started, etc and to call customer service... then it turned off.
I did read about software modifications from that help link but haven't installed anything questionable. Pretty much only big apps like Twitter, Instagram. No games, no utilities since I am just testing what came with the phone. I haven't touched the bootloader since I'm still technically testing the phone. The most I've done is enable Developer mode but I haven't tweaked any settings.
I didn't accept any software updates and I didn't see any notifications. Unless it updates itself?
I attached the screen that the phone gives using Power + Vol Dwn
Again, it's still working. It just had to be rebooted. Just not sure what triggered the message... unless enabling Developer Options is all that it takes.
I'm trying to find the screen it gave me after the one I posted above. It didn't stay on long enough for me to take a picture.
Same thing happened to me just a little while ago - it's been running fine since I received it otherwise. It eventually restarts itself and seems ok, but then I got that error a second time within about 15 minutes.
The only change I had made today was installing the XDA Labs app. It seems shortly after that is when this started. I've since removed that app to see if the error returns.
bren924 said:
Same thing happened to me just a little while ago - it's been running fine since I received it otherwise. It eventually restarts itself and seems ok, but then I got that error a second time within about 15 minutes.
The only change I had made today was installing the XDA Labs app. It seems shortly after that is when this started. I've since removed that app to see if the error returns.
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Uh oh. Keeping an eye on this
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bren924 said:
Same thing happened to me just a little while ago - it's been running fine since I received it otherwise. It eventually restarts itself and seems ok, but then I got that error a second time within about 15 minutes.
The only change I had made today was installing the XDA Labs app. It seems shortly after that is when this started. I've since removed that app to see if the error returns.
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FWIW I installed the app yesterday and haven't seen this crash.
bren924 said:
Same thing happened to me just a little while ago - it's been running fine since I received it otherwise. It eventually restarts itself and seems ok, but then I got that error a second time within about 15 minutes.
The only change I had made today was installing the XDA Labs app. It seems shortly after that is when this started. I've since removed that app to see if the error returns.
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Try factory resetting my phone. I did it to mine with Power Btn + Volume Down when starting. You gave to take finger off power button when LG logo comes up and then holding power btn down again quickly. It flashes it incredibly quick.
When I googled the issue, I read it has something to do with "verified boot". So far the only phones I've read that have it are Nexus, but the text on the LG is a little bit different. There is a second screen that says something about customer support... if you see this screen, if possible have a camera on hand to screen shot it. It looks like some kind of bug with the OS. Doesn't look like it will effect the function of the phone. But the message is frightening...
This is the Google official page about it:
Understand warning about operating system safety
https://support.google.com/nexus/an...6698467256067-2151825810&p=verified_boot&rd=1
What is Strictly Enforced Verified Boot in Android 7.0 Nougat?
http://thehackernews.com/2016/07/android-verified-boot.html
Pasted above from the second link in the above post. Seems like it could possibly apply to this issue...
What is Strictly Enforced Verified Boot in Android 7.0 Nougat?
http://thehackernews.com/2016/07/android-verified-boot.html
As far as security is concerned, Google is going very strict with the newest version of its mobile operating system.
Until now, Google has not done more than just alerting you of the potential threats when your Android device runs the check as part of the boot process.
Android Marshmallow 6.0 does nothing more than just warning you that your device has been compromised, though it continues to let your device boot up.
1. Android Nougat 7.0 Getting Strictly Enforced 'Verified Boot'
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Android Nougat, Google has taken the security of its Android operating system to the next level by strictly enforcing verified boot on devices.
Among multiple layers of security protection, Android uses verified boot - since Android version 4.4 KitKat - that improves its device's security by using cryptographic integrity checking to detect if your device has been tampered with.
Now, Android Nougat will strictly enforce the boot check, giving you far more than just a warning.
2. Android 7.0 Verified Boot Protects Device from Rootkits and Malware
Enforcing verified boot on a device is a good idea.
If any Android malware or rootkit made its way onto your Android device and made deep system changes to critical kernel files, your device will either start in a limited-use mode (presumably similar to safe mode) or refuse to start at all, protecting your data.
In addition to strict verified boot, Android Nougat also features forward error correction that is capable of repairing some errors on devices without any user input.
And, of course, Nexus devices will be the first to get these features.
This will prevent your Android device from becoming a playground for malware and viruses, at least after you restart it.
That sounds really great. Right?
3. If Modified, Corrupt or Tampered, It won't let your phone Boot
For most users the strict verified boot would be helpful, however, for some, it's bad news. According to Google, some non-malicious corruption of data could cause Android devices to fail to boot up because verified boot process runs into issues that it can not correct.
This data corruption could be the result of some software flaws or hardware issues.
Here's what the Android Developer blog explains: "This means that a device with a corrupt boot image or verified partition will not boot or will boot in a limited capacity with user consent. Such strict checking, though, means that non-malicious data corruption, which previously would be less visible, could now start affecting process functionality more."Since corrupted data may not always be malicious, even a single-byte error could prevent the device from booting.
However, Android Nougat brings additional code designed to protect against data corruption.
"In the changes we made to dm-verity for Android 7.0, we used a technique called interleaving to allow us to recover not only from a loss of an entire 4 KiB source block, reads the blog, "but several consecutive blocks, while significantly reducing the space overhead required to achieve usable error correction capabilities compared to the naive implementation." 4. Verified Boot Has Made It Harder to Root Android 7.0 Nougat
Like I said, data corruption could not always be due to malicious reasons.
Strictly enforcing verified boot could also make it tougher for you to tweak your Android Operating System (especially with locked bootloader) using custom ROMs, mods, and kernels.
Since this involves circumventing the locked bootloader, verified boot process will detect any changes, making it harder for users to play with their devices when Nougat rolls around.
The bottom line:
Enforcing strict verified boot in Android Nougat is a good idea, because most users root their devices with custom firmware but forget to take important security measures, which leaves their devices open to malicious software and rootkits.
What do you think of the additional security Google provides to the boot process in Android Nougat?
Let us know your views in the comments below!
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Interesting it mentions it tries to fix the error. I noticed this when mine was "crashing". Flashed the first screen a few times before it "failed". Unfortunately can't find an example of this screen anywhere.
Man. This happened to me on LG v20. No explanation since I didn't root my phone. Lucky T-Mobile sent me replacement .
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Is this limited to t mobile devices so far? Sounds like they have an app Google sides not like.
This has happened to me twice about 4 days apart. I have AT&T LG G6 US variant. I have also seen on Reddit this happened to Verizon customers.
I don't root/unlock and I only install well known apps from the playstore.
I did find one thing in common was that both times it happened relatively soon after turning OFF the always on display. Was this the same for anyone else?
for those affected by this "issue", have you reported this to T-Mobile/ATT? if yes, what was their respective response(s)? thanks.
cortez.i said:
for those affected by this "issue", have you reported this to T-Mobile/ATT? if yes, what was their respective response(s)? thanks.
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They were more interested in talking about malware tbh. Thinking of reporting it to LG. Especially if I get a shot of the second screen... that one reads like it's bricked.
For what it's worth, this hasn't happened again since I removed the XDA Labs app. May just be coincidence. I'm planning on putting that app back on to see if the issue resumes.
cortez.i said:
for those affected by this "issue", have you reported this to T-Mobile/ATT? if yes, what was their respective response(s)? thanks.
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The ATT rep said looks like a software bug and reset the phone and said if it happens again to go through the exchange/return process.
It has happened a second time already I just really don't want to return this phone if it's a software issue that could be fixed with an update. But I'm starting to think maybe I should.
Dcpeiffer said:
The ATT rep said looks like a software bug and reset the phone and said if it happens again to go through the exchange/return process.
It has happened a second time already I just really don't want to return this phone if it's a software issue that could be fixed with an update. But I'm starting to think maybe I should.
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UPDATE: I talked with AT&T and they said that a phone update that went live is actually what's causing the faulty bootloader message. Apparently a factory reset is fixing the issue most of the time but I can exchange the phone for up to a year if the issue persists.
Glad to say since I've factory reset my phone, I've had 0 issues. I'm thinking it is a bug tbh and not something to be too concerned with.
Dcpeiffer said:
UPDATE: I talked with AT&T and they said that a phone update that went live is actually what's causing the faulty bootloader message. Apparently a factory reset is fixing the issue most of the time but I can exchange the phone for up to a year if the issue persists.
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Glad AT&T is taking responsibility and giving you a nice window for exchange. All T-mobile was willing to give me was the normal 20 days, then it would have to be within the warranty period...