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http://investor.google.com/releases/2011/0815.html
Game changer? Thoughts as to what it means for us xoomers?
I was coming to post this as well.. Friggin sweet... The true Google device..
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http://investor.google.com/releases/2011/0815.html
Game changer? Thoughts as to what it means for us xoomers?
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Wow. This one is being reported all across the interwebs at the moment.
First of all if I were HTC and Samsung I would be LIVID right now. Both companies have stacked a lot of chips on Android and may now be seeing that as not as sure a bet as they thought. It would make sense for Google to now keep its flagship devices "in house" and have them made by Moto Mobile. This is going to freeze both companies out of the plum position of producing the concept devices for each new version of Android.
What does this foretell for the future? First of all I would not be surprised to see both HTC and Samsung trying to repair connections with Microsoft, and looking again at making a larger commitment to Windows Phone 7.
For we Xoom users, it heavily improves the odds of us seeing an official ICS release by the end of the year. That was already likely since the Xoom was being used to demo the software, but now will be even more so.
Interesting days ahead.
It gives me a little more confidence that the xoom won't be left behind as quickly as we all thought it would be.
Great move for all Android partners
If anything, this protects HTC and Samsung's Android business from patents claims against them. Google will use it's new patent muscle as a deterrent. Google stated Motorola will be a licensee just like the others. I'm sure all new GED's will be Moto but I doubt the influence will extend much beyond that.
Well, I want this:
Motorola has a lot of patents on mobile / smartphone technology.
So, I want Google to use those patents to protect Android!
I don't know how ... but I dreamed this to shut up that Apple patent troll.
Probably, Google intention was mainly for Motorola patents.
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If anything, this protects HTC and Samsung's Android business from patents claims against them. Google will use it's new patent muscle as a deterrent. Google stated Motorola will be a licensee just like the others. I'm sure all new GED's will be Moto but I doubt the influence will extend much beyond that.
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I agree that this is a good move in the long-term for Android as a platform...but I think you underestimate the influence that being the sole source of GEDs will give Moto. They will be the glass of fashion.
Google will continue to provide the software to all it's partners, sure...but I think we are coming up very swiftly on a new synthesis of hardware and software...basically the Apple model accepted as the norm. Apple vs Google/Moto vs Microsoft/Nokia.
My question now is...who buys RIM. My guess is Microsoft.
Well, my day just got better.
Google has been outspoken about unlockable bootloaders. Could this mean all upcoming Google/Motorola devices will be fully unlockable?
Moto blur is now officially killed
How sweet ...
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So, the purchase is to defend Android ...
Update: More quotes from Android partners after the break.
Peter Chou, CEO, HTC:
We welcome the news of today's acquisition, which demonstrates that Google is deeply committed to defending Android, its partners, and the entire ecosystem.
Bert Nordberg, President & CEO, Sony Ericsson:
I welcome Google's commitment to defending Android and its partners.
Jong-Seok Park, President & CEO, LG:
We welcome Google's commitment to defending Android and its partners.
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Maybe they will purchase htc, samsung, etc.....
I expect this kind of news in the future:
GOOGLE is suing Apple for some (Motorola) patents infringement.
Then in negotiation:
Apple: So, what's now? How do we settle?
Google: Easy, drop all your lousy law suits on Android manufacturers
That would be epic!
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Maybe they will purchase htc, samsung, etc.....
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Yes! And then they will concentrate on one phone, to make it perfect with all their new know how. To enhance the security they get rid of the open source ****, and make it perfectly usable and easy by integrating it to Google Music as the only way to put music on the device. It will be called the GPhone and it will...ohhh...wait...
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So, the purchase is to defend Android ...
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Well it certainly is, at least partially. Patents are the big deal these days.
However, as for the parts of the deal that are about getting an in house hardware maker being downplayed...what else are the brass of HTC, Sony Ericsson and LG going to say?
It reminds me of the losers on The Bachelor "He totally like made the right choice...I really think this is for the best and hope they will be very happy...."
We will see how they really feel if the announcements of additional WM7 phones start picking up speed.
>First of all if I were HTC and Samsung I would be LIVID right now.
Co-opetition is the nature of business (and a lot of other areas). Things are always more complicated than the black-or-white, friend-or-foe picture people try to paint. MS is in with Nokia, but other co's are still making WP7 phones. It all depends on what makes sense (read: profit).
That the deal happens is not because of Moto Mobo's hardware capability, but for its patent portfolio.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903392904576509953821437960.html
>It would make sense for Google to now keep its flagship devices "in house" and have them made by Moto Mobile.
No, it doesn't. That would go against everything that it has built Android to be, which is an "open", device- (and vendor-) agnostic OS. If it wants to destroy Android, that would be the surest way to go about it.
>For we Xoom users, it heavily improves the odds of us seeing an official ICS release by the end of the year.
I don't see it changes the picture any wrt the Xoom. As a GED device (for US model), the odds were always in favor of Xoom getting official ICS--and for most Teg2 tabs from major vendors, for that matter.
The acquisition will take place over some months, long after the Xoom has come and gone. I don't see Moto getting any "nicer" with supporting the Xoom just because it will be part of Goog. The Xoom is just one of many Moto products, and its replacements are already in the pipe.
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No, it doesn't. That would go against everything that it has built Android to be, which is an "open", device- (and vendor-) agnostic OS. If it wants to destroy Android, that would be the surest way to go about it.
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That is not completely accurate. Google has always selected one vendor for each version to develop the flagship GED device. The vendors have competed heavily to get those contracts since they involved a lot of interaction with the software design team and a leg up on smooth integration.
Now, it will make sense for Moto to have those prototype devices, as it means that Google will be able to control the process even further.
Android is vendor-agnostic, but each version has always had one vendor who was first amongst equals...and that will now be Moto.
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Unlocked, not unlockable!
>Now, it will make sense for Moto to have those prototype devices, as it means that Google will be able to control the process even further.
I don't see this as a big deal. Having the Xoom released first didn't help Moto any wrt to sales, nor was having a GED a benefit to the user experience. Xoom users do get updates a bit faster, but other devices have value-added functionality (eg SD card, Splashtop, etc) that the Xoom lacks, OOB.
As far as "controlling the experience," that remains to be seen. It's hard to say with this 1st-gen as a gauge, as HC has been an ongoing beta for ICS. We'll have to see what Goog will do with its newly acquired hardware arm. I think it should be emphasized that the acquisition is more to shore up its patent stash than to "control the Android experience." Goog's failed 6.5B attempt to acquire Nortel's patents is indicative of its need in this area.
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Wow. This one is being reported all across the interwebs at the moment.
First of all if I were HTC and Samsung I would be LIVID right now. Both companies have stacked a lot of chips on Android and may now be seeing that as not as sure a bet as they thought. It would make sense for Google to now keep its flagship devices "in house" and have them made by Moto Mobile. This is going to freeze both companies out of the plum position of producing the concept devices for each new version of Android.
What does this foretell for the future? First of all I would not be surprised to see both HTC and Samsung trying to repair connections with Microsoft, and looking again at making a larger commitment to Windows Phone 7.
For we Xoom users, it heavily improves the odds of us seeing an official ICS release by the end of the year. That was already likely since the Xoom was being used to demo the software, but now will be even more so.
Interesting days ahead.
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Don't be silly, android is an open source project device manufacturers will still be able to put their customizations out and will still be shipping phones with old versions of android. This deal will have no impact on android device manufacturers other then patent protection
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it seems that google buys moto... does this mean android will be moto only now? http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Press-Releases/Google-to-Acquire-Motorola-Mobility-3797.aspx
now we will get good quality stable android phone...!
It got me glad and worried at the same time
Im really glad coz motorola mobility has a mountain of patents that Google could use against Patent trolls like Apple and others.
In fact the huge amount of patents that Motorola owns assures that
Appple et all are cross licensing at least some of the said patents.
I almost wish that Google bought up Nokia also but MS beat them
with their trojan horse.
But it also got me worried that since Google now has its own handset company,
its going to run it as a business with the intention to recover its expenses and make a profit, which is natural but it also means it will be competing with its own licensees like HTC, Samsung, LG etc.
What does this mean in the future for its Android licensees who are now its
rivals in the Android Market?
It almost seems unprofessional for Google to be both License Holder and now competitor yet i cant blame Google for buying up Motorola after the way
Apple is throwing its weight around with Samsung, HTC etc
Anyway Nokia does own Symbian and competed with the same licensees like Sony Ericksonn, Samsung etc in the past.
So I guess Google can do its best to reassure its Android licensees that
its still business as usual.
Google's primary objective seemed to be keeping the patents out of the hands of Microsoft/Apple/trolls. They certainly didn't need more to worry about.
As for their phones... I think (and hope!) that Google plans on treating them the same way they treat Chrome: Use Motorola to make the other players step up their game. Chrome was the first to market with a large variety of security technology, and since then both IE and Safari have started adopting similar technology... the Android ecosystem is currently a security nightmare!
Lets hope, though, that this is nothing like Nokia & Symbian... Nokia's purchase of Symbian was a total failure, everyone around it immediately began abandoning it, and then even NOKIA did! Nokia has also abandoned Meego, only throwing out the N9 to the non-major markets, with no intention of selling it in the larger markets. Symbian is more likely an example of Android crushing them, and Meego of Microsoft paying them a butt load of money (plus management FROM Microsoft!), so hopefully both examples will look totally different.
Yep, this is all about patents.
It won't greatly affect its relationship with giving out Android to other manufacturers. However, we'll hopefully see moto phones be all Nexus like and on every carrier with various styles and configurations.
I've owned 5 or so Motorola phones over the past decade and you couldn't pay me enough to ever use another.
If for some reason Motorola did become the only Android phone or even the flagship, I'd swap to WM7 or iOS.
I read a few articles about this and a few of them worrying about if android wouldn't be open platform anymore. But google's bread and butter is ad market for search. And search market is shifting to mobile from desktop computer. More android device more money for them. Simply they CAN NOT give up android as an open platform. Thats my 2 cents.
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Future AOSP builds include motoblur... boo
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This was just sent to me.
"Dear MOTODEV member,
Today, Google and Motorola Mobility have announced their intention to enter an agreement under which Google will acquire Motorola Mobility. This is a positive step in Motorola Mobility's evolution and exciting news for the Android ecosystem.
As you know, Motorola Mobility has played a leading role in the advancement of the Android platform globally. With Google, we plan to continue to build upon our 80-year history of technology innovation and take Motorola Mobility's cutting-edge products and solutions to the next level.
We do not expect this announced transaction to have any immediate impact on MOTODEV programs or activities. As the transaction moves forward we will keep you informed as details become available.
As always, technology innovation remains the lifeblood of Motorola Mobility and the success of our developer community remains top priority for MOTODEV.
Sincerely, The MOTODEV team"
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in other words, really nothing is different. Motorola still makes Motorola phones and Google still makes android and the two will never merge, aosp will never be blur, and Motorola will not be the only android phone manufacturer. all this will ever mean is that Google might sometimes get updates to moto a little quicker, and get access to their hardware patents, etc... nothing really that will affect the consumers.
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News reports today state that Lenovo is buying Motorola Mobility from Google for about $3B. Any thoughts on this?
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Sad
Another great American firm gets broken apart and sold to a foreign company.
Very concerned about what the future holds for the firm, and all the recently-hired guys in the US...
My initial reaction is not positive. I've been a fan of moto for a long time, and have owned many moto devices.
They're selling it at a huge loss, but they are retaining the patents, and licensing them to Lenovo, so its WORTH a whole lot less too.
I have been admiring the Moto X, but my HD Maxx is good enough that I can't justify replacing it. So I've been somewhat planning on picking up whatever its successor would be. We'll see now.
Lenovo to Acquire Motorola Mobility from Google
I think, as a Motorola phone owner, that our upgrade propspects not being a part of Google anymore have been vastly reduced, sadly. :crying: Here´s the pertinent part of the announcement press release:
Lenovo to Acquire Motorola Mobility from Google
Research Triangle Park, North Carolina, and Mountain View, California – January 29, 2014: Lenovo (HKSE: 992) (ADR: LNVGY) and Google (NASDAQ: GOOG) today have entered into a definitive agreement under which Lenovo plans to acquire the Motorola Mobility smartphone business. With a strong PC business and a fast-growing smartphone business, this agreement will significantly strengthen Lenovo’s position in the smartphone market. In addition, Lenovo will gain a strong market presence in North America and Latin America, as well as a foothold in Western Europe, to complement its strong, fast-growing smartphone business in emerging markets around the world.
The purchase price is approximately US$2.91 billion (subject to certain adjustments), including US$1.41 billion paid at close, comprised of US$660 million in cash and US$750 million in Lenovo ordinary shares (subject to a share cap/floor). The remaining US$1.5 billion will be paid in the form of a three-year promissory note.
Lenovo, which in 2005 acquired IBM’s PC business and its legendary PC brand, will now acquire world-renowned Motorola Mobility, including the MOTOROLA brand and Motorola Mobility's portfolio of innovative smartphones like the Moto X and Moto G and the DROID™ Ultra series. In addition to current products, Lenovo will take ownership of the future Motorola Mobility product roadmap.
Google will maintain ownership of the vast majority of the Motorola Mobility patent portfolio, including current patent applications and invention disclosures. As part of its ongoing relationship with Google, Lenovo will receive a license to this rich portfolio of patents and other intellectual property. Additionally Lenovo will receive over 2,000 patent assets, as well as the Motorola Mobility brand and trademark portfolio.
Motorola Mobility enjoys outstanding brand awareness around the world, and is currently the #3 Android smartphone manufacturer in the U.S. and #3 manufacturer overall in Latin America.
“The acquisition of such an iconic brand, innovative product portfolio and incredibly talented global team will immediately make Lenovo a strong global competitor in smartphones. We will immediately have the opportunity to become a strong global player in the fast-growing mobile space,” said Yang Yuanqing, chairman and CEO of Lenovo. “We are confident that we can bring together the best of both companies to deliver products customers will love and a strong, growing business. Lenovo has a proven track record of successfully embracing and strengthening great brands – as we did with IBM’s Think brand – and smoothly and efficiently integrating companies around-the-world. I am confident we will be successful with this process, and that our companies will not only maintain our current momentum in the market, but also build a strong foundation for the future.”
“Lenovo has the expertise and track record to scale Motorola Mobility into a major player within the Android ecosystem. This move will enable Google to devote our energy to driving innovation across the Android ecosystem, for the benefit of smartphone users everywhere,” said Larry Page, CEO, Google.
“As part of Lenovo, Motorola Mobility will have a rapid path to achieving our goal of reaching the next 100 million people with the mobile Internet. With the recent launches of Moto X and Moto G, we have tremendous momentum right now and Lenovo’s hardware expertise and global reach will only help to accelerate this,” said Dennis Woodside, CEO, Motorola Mobility.
The transaction is subject to the satisfaction of regulatory requirements, customary closing conditions and any other needed approvals.
Moto fan here. Audio quality. I try out an Htc or Samy and the sound is lacking.
Now they will all be alike.
I guess it'll be Nexus for me, from here on out.
I welcome this. Look at google motorola marriage, just 2 disabled childs. Moto X and Moto G. Nothing more. With the global reach of lenovo, motorola can find place in its old markets and create a demand for new various models if they do it right.
Semseddin said:
I welcome this. Look at google motorola marriage, just 2 disabled childs. Moto X and Moto G. Nothing more. With the global reach of lenovo, motorola can find place in its old markets and create a demand for new various models if they do it right.
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I am thinking it is better to have less devices on market, and more software upgrades for them, than many various models with lack of support.
PS: I'm sorry for my English.
uze said:
I am thinking it is better to have less devices on market, and more software upgrades for them, than many various models with lack of support.
PS: I'm sorry for my English.
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It was Google's excuse for not being able to release many devices. Samsung releases tons of devices for every segment and they keep them updated, maybe not lightning fast updates but fast enough for everyone. I personally waited for a quadcore FHD screen beast from motorola, all they could offer was Moto X. Funny part was that they tried to sell it within the same price range with quads, full hd phones.
My greatest concern about this sale is that with the Moto X and Moto G coming out and source being released for it, we'd (RAZR HD) eventually see a 3.4 kernel and native 4.4 support based on this source and maybe I'm being naive but that seems further and further away now with this news.
Motorola Canada page says my phone is getting KK officially but I haven't seen anything so far nor found any source.
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It was Google's excuse for not being able to release many devices. Samsung releases tons of devices for every segment and they keep them updated, maybe not lightning fast updates but fast enough for everyone. I personally waited for a quadcore FHD screen beast from motorola, all they could offer was Moto X. Funny part was that they tried to sell it within the same price range with quads, full hd phones.
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You clearly have never used a Moto X. Its smoother than some quad core phones out there. In fact, I'm going to go as far as saying that Motorola proved specs aren't everything in an Android phone, as long as you can optimize the software right. I'm not going to argue about screen size because for me I don't notice a difference in resolution unless its a tablet or something, but the screen on the X (and my Maxx HD, for that matter) is better quality than my girl's S4. So while you let hype build up inside you and let you down hard when they released the X, people who knew to take leaks with a grain of salt were ecstatic the phone performed the way it did and had the ability to customize colors and software options as well.
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You clearly have never used a Moto X. Its smoother than some quad core phones out there. In fact, I'm going to go as far as saying that Motorola proved specs aren't everything in an Android phone, as long as you can optimize the software right. I'm not going to argue about screen size because for me I don't notice a difference in resolution unless its a tablet or something, but the screen on the X (and my Maxx HD, for that matter) is better quality than my girl's S4. So while you let hype build up inside you and let you down hard when they released the X, people who knew to take leaks with a grain of salt were ecstatic the phone performed the way it did and had the ability to customize colors and software options as well.
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Don't need an argument over this. Just chill down, it's just a phone. You don't need to defend just because you got one. Everybody have their own opinion. So, you can be happy with your Moto X. I never thought of buying one because it was overpriced compared to other brand flagships being a dualcore/hd device. Moto X is a great phone it does what it does but it's just not in the same league with other Quad / FHD solutions with its mediocre dual/hd setup. No matter how good it was optimised by google, it never has to carry the weight of Full HD pixels with its weaker dualcore cpu. I got my first dualcore from motorola back in 2011 Atrix 4G(a true milestone device), then XT910 which was also dualcore. So i just kept waiting for a quadcore from new motorola-google. And yet they didn't release a phone which is better or faster than competing companies. It's 2014 and i hope Lenovo will bring motorola to a new competing athmosphere to catch up with the tech race.
and if we are to consume as consumers,i want to consume the best and Moto X wasn't the best :good:
i hope some we see Motorola same before
i ♥ motorola forever
Hello Moto
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You clearly have never used a Moto X. Its smoother than some quad core phones out there. In fact, I'm going to go as far as saying that Motorola proved specs aren't everything in an Android phone, as long as you can optimize the software right. I'm not going to argue about screen size because for me I don't notice a difference in resolution unless its a tablet or something, but the screen on the X (and my Maxx HD, for that matter) is better quality than my girl's S4. So while you let hype build up inside you and let you down hard when they released the X, people who knew to take leaks with a grain of salt were ecstatic the phone performed the way it did and had the ability to customize colors and software options as well.
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Agree. X phones are a great sucess! But why the iphonish no SD card(btw)?
HTC & SAMMY great computers, poor phones.
This might be unreasonable due to fear, but do you think this will impede RAZR HD/M/Maxx owners' incoming 4.4 update?
No I think we will still see our update. The changes imposed by lenovo will take a while yet to be seen.
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Semseddin said:
I welcome this. Look at google motorola marriage, just 2 disabled childs. Moto X and Moto G. Nothing more. With the global reach of lenovo, motorola can find place in its old markets and create a demand for new various models if they do it right.
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Please list how they are disabled?
No sd card is really debatable with the advent of usb-otg.
Lenovo bought Motorola is a good sign for great marketing than the tricky Google. We should see sdcard,quadcore (no more dualcore krait),FullHD screen,great camera software in a Motorola phone soon. My friend has just bought a Lenovo P780. It's a great device with great build quality,vivid screen and a monster battery (4000 mah).
Punit Soni
Works at Motorola Mobility (Google) (SW VP)
- 30/1/2014
"Loads of changes...
My team is committed to delighting Moto users and working hard on the next slew of updates/features that need to roll out."
His google+ profile
as long as they dump a kernel for 4.4.2 on the xt926 dev, well see better custom ROMs.
we just need to wait for qualcomm to update the drivers/binaries/blobs of the MSM8960; its not just the RAZR's but the SGS3, Xperia T/V too that use this chipset, and qualcomm is slow to update, competition is good!
huatz84 said:
Lenovo bought Motorola is a good sign for great marketing than the tricky Google. We should see sdcard,quadcore (no more dualcore krait),FullHD screen,great camera software in a Motorola phone soon. My friend has just bought a Lenovo P780. It's a great device with great build quality,vivid screen and a monster battery (4000 mah).
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Finally someone with the positive view!! I'm supporting your statement 100%!!! Cheers!!!
Lenovo will make Motorola what it should have been. Obviously the Chinese appreciate Motorola name and tradition more than the Americans..
Go Moto!!!
After what happened with Google telling Samsung to change the magazine ux and stuff do you think we will still get the update cause I think they are going to change the ui again.
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Any source?
Yes, but the next generation won't. Devices and updates are developed months and years ahead. So big changes will probably come in the next generation
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Samsung and Google recently sign a new 10yr deal and within that deal Samsung has agreed to cut but on its bloatwares and turn towards a more Google type user interface. Means we will see a cut back on touchwiz, chaton QUOTE: may but stop in favour of Google chat. Mag ui and may other of Samsung's features will lean towards Google. Look in the technology section of Flipboard and you will find a statement from Samsung which talks about what I have mentioned here.
As I know, the South Korean Government forces mobile makers to reduce bloatware. I thought that Magazine UX is Samsungs backup plan: Create a user interface, which makes migration to other brands with more standard interfaces difficult, just like switching between platforms.
And, of course, apps on the Mag Ux launcher have to be aquired via the Samsung store and will be lost if u go Huawei or something.
Google didn't "tell" Samsung to do anything (or vice versa). A cooperation agreement was reached that could range from something as simple as sharing their mutual patent portfolios during litigation to Google using Samsung innovations (like S Pen) on h/w they may develop. Samsung's biggest threat to Google/Android isn't TW and M-UX, it's Tizen. We have no idea what the practical implications of the agreement are and neither does the press OP is quoting. Whatever the deal is it isn't going to be implemented overnight (it's a 10 year deal) and certainly isn't going to affect 2014 devices and that includes the SGS5 which is 90-95% through its development cycle. Samsung's having margin problems because of the maturation of smartphones in Western markets. They aren't going to do anything knee jerk (kill TW and M-UX) that could further exacerbate their financial situation. And many agreements signed in good faith can unravel as each party's interpretation of what they just agreed to is tested as the agreement is implemented.
Where do you guys get this "Clean" Android thing for Samsung??
The *only* official statement regarding the Samsung-Google deal is this:
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=33461
It's a patent licensing deal, the same deal that Samsung has with IBM and Nokia for years. It's a similar deal for which Samsung paid 650 million to make use of Ericsson patents.
The only source for this new speculation comes from a Re/code's article:
http://recode.net/2014/01/29/after-...will-dial-back-android-tweaks-homegrown-apps/
This is little more than speculation at this time without any proof at all. Do you think Samsung will suddenly change plans for its GS5 UI at this last minute and miss out on sales of millions of units? Why should they do so? What does Samsung gain by this? There is not a single advantage for Samsung by going 'stock-ish' apart for pleasing some irrelevant geeks.
If you think so much about rumours, you need to also think about the rumour reported recently that MS is paying 1 billion to Samsung to start pushing flagship devices with WP.
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Hearsay...
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Additional stories from other sites all quoting the original unsubstantiated story don't make the original story any more valid.
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You have to admit though with Google signing a deal with Samsung, then suddenly selling off Motorola to Lenovo that it all does sound connected.
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Samsung and Google are both public companies that file their financial performance quarterly. When entering deals their only motive is to drive profits and revenue higher. Pure Google devices are attractive to enthusiasts (5% of the market) and, purely because of Google's subsidization, bargain hunters. Samsung's spent billions in R&D on s/w to differentiate their Android devices in the market. Their massive market share would point to that as a successful strategy. What's in it for Samsung to suddenly make "Pure Google" attractive? Going that way relegates them to a defacto h/w purveyor with Google in control of the user experience. Does that seem logical to you or a place Samsung wants to find itself?
As for Motorola, it was a stupid acquisition going in and analysts are relieved Google unwound a bad bet that was a consistent profit drain on Google's earnings. Whether or not it has anything to do with the Samsung/Google deal isn't know and the logic of unloading Motorola stands on its own just fine.
Just overall question to evrerybody...omce we Get Stock Oreo...I am giving away this device to a relative and I will buy a new one than can ensure to me I will get Android P by Dec.18 or Jan19....sooooo the question in...if we can rate from top to bettom which company we may go with.....
LG
Sony
Samsung
Xiaomi
****ty Motonovo
HTC
Google.
Huaweii
Any other else.....
Lets help us all....brother!!!
Personally I think I will go back to HTC mid range or high end.
In this moment, I would say Nokia is the best company giving updates, almost pairing to the Google pixel devices, but since it's not In your list I would go with Google, Sony or HTC, but if you can buy a Nokia device it would be better (than Sony or HTC I mean)
Nokia right now is probably the best and of course Google as well, but Sony gives a really good support to their devices, I had the xperia xa1 and they gave me update every month and oreo update in february of this year... but then I got rid of the phone because it has some touchscreen problems... Anyway, you can choose this three brands... and HTC for me it's dead in mid range, probably you will have to buy high end for getting a good support...
cheers!
Just be aware that, at the moment, Nokia Android devices do not appear to have an official bootloader unlocked method. I do not know if this may change as some devices reach the end of support (in about 2 years time), but something to be aware of if you prefer custom ROMs.
What about any of the devices on the Android One program? (e.g. Moto X4 - Fi version, Xiaomi Mi A1) as regardless of OEM, they should be providing you with 2 OS updates/3 years of security patches as standard?
Nokia is the best option. Sadly no bootloader unlock But atleast you get updates pretty fast, so for ME it shouldn't be a problem.
Go with android one or oneplus
Nokia or Xiaomi
Android One is available with both- All Nokias, some Xiaomis (Mi A1)
Miui update support is also great, never out of security patches or features
Sometimes they dont update Android Version but features,security updates are good enough
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Just overall question to evrerybody...omce we Get Stock Oreo...I am giving away this device to a relative and I will buy a new one than can ensure to me I will get Android P by Dec.18 or Jan19....sooooo the question in...if we can rate from top to bettom which company we may go with.....
LG
Sony
Samsung
Xiaomi
****ty Motonovo
HTC
Google.
Huaweii
Any other else.....
Lets help us all....brother!!!
Personally I think I will go back to HTC mid range or high end.
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Stay away from Huawei! Horrible customer service. Lied about providing updates. Terrible company.
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Stay away from Huawei! Horrible customer service. Lied about providing updates. Terrible company.
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Seems that Huawei and honor by extension do not offer bootloader unlocking on new devices anymore (with a grace period for existing devices to get your unlock code). https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-stop-providing-bootloader-unlock-codes/
I don't know if this will get reversed, though I would not be surprised if more OEMs decline to offer bootloader unlocking in the future.
In the same boat.
I'm not buying another Motorola phone, they've lost me as a customer.
Anyhow as above.
Google pixel phones are best, albeit expensive.
Nokia Android One 2018 phones
Sony give good updates too.
Also see this list
https://androidenterprisepartners.w...-1829312490.1522349976#!/results/browse-all/2
As Huawei stops their bootlader unlocking program and also is worse in case of updating their devices and Nokia doesn't have an unlocking program at all there are only two OEMs I would buy a device from:
Google and One Plus. But both are above my budget, I'm the kind of person that is not willing to pay for a brand and has an upper limit for something like a smartphone. Motorola was the best choice for me. And if Xiaomi starts to sell their devices in Europe (they do atm) and delivers better quality and more vanilla like android they could be a choice too in the future.
UntiI than I stay with Moto and hope that Lenovo don't decide to cancel their bootlader unlocking service too. A non rootable device is the Nr.1 deal breaker for me.
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Wolfcity said:
As Huawei stops their bootlader unlocking program and also is worse in case of updating their devices and Nokia doesn't have an unlocking program at all there are only two OEMs I would buy a device from:
Google and One Plus. But both are above my budget, I'm the kind of person that is not willing to pay for a brand and has an upper limit for something like a smartphone. Motorola was the best choice for me. And if Xiaomi starts to sell their devices in Europe (they do atm) and delivers better quality and more vanilla like android they could be a choice too in the future.
UntiI than I stay with Moto and hope that Lenovo don't decide to cancel their bootlader unlocking service too. A non rootable device is the Nr.1 deal breaker for me.
Sent from my Moto G5 Plus using XDA Labs
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I'm in a similar position - though I don't need a bootloader unlock, having the option there for the eventual day when support/patches ends is a considerable bonus for a certain purchase in my view.
Despite the patchy update schedule, Motorola is still an OEM I'd still consider - my XT1642, a G4 Plus, is still going strong and is proving durable. The updates I've received for my device have been stable, if slow to arrive. I can live with that - I rather prefer having a reliable working device rather than the very newest updates (might explain why I grew tired of custom ROMs...). Might be worth considering the One Power being an Android One platform and the Z series, as they appear to have regular updates.
I am considering the Samsung Galaxy A6+ (AMOLED screen, hopefully good camera, though Samsung Touchwiz), the Sony Xperia XA2 (good updates, the camera appears to give images a cool tint? Also unlocking seems to destroy the DRM keys so your camera quality declines), Nokia 7 Plus (Android One and good feature set, though as previously discussed no bootloader unlock) and Moto Z2 Play at the moment (don't need Moto mods!). Of these devices, the Z2 Play appears to have pretty good support on XDA - the Galaxy is too new and the XA2 appears to not have a dedicated XDA page...
I'm amazed at the obsession level expressed regarding updates for our phones, whether stock, oreo and custom roms supplying oreo.
The disrespectful behaviour demanding updates, not even bothering to search or read threads, a great example is volte, browsing the G5 plus forum should sound alarm bells ringing for anyone who relies on that system for communication, why would you risk installing a custom rom if there is a good chance you will not have telephony working, that's why they are called phones, that also applies to the imei lost issues.
And getting it into every ones head, backing up is the first thing to be done if thinking of modifying any computer system as a fail-safe.
For me there are way too many noobs, who cannot be arsed to read anything bar a direct answer to their "asked many times questions", gone are the days when xda was for enthusiastic testers, who could specify and isolate bugs in collaboration with developers.
Last but not least, the forums are a mess, multiple cross posting, duplicating existing, no faq's the list is endless.
Anyway I like my G5 plus, think its a great value phone, especially with nfc for payment, which does get used daily.
Regards
Ray
Nokia Google or Sony....think Google the best option thanks to everybody