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One Plus 5 dropped the bezel ball

Good grief. It's got Pixel sized bezels!
The good old Galaxy Note 3 was so far ahead of its time when it came to minimal bezels.
Galaxy finally has small bezels again but no root for US phones. Or LOS/AOSP ROM's.
OnePlus 5 had a chance to swoop in but dammit if the bezels and phone with its 5.5" screen are still bigger than the old Note 3 with it's 5.7" screen.

I really don't like this bezelless trend. I've played with the G6, S8 and owned the note 2-5.
Screens are delicate enough, and good tempered glass has only become harder to find since this curved screen craze has shown up. We don't need any help with making our phones any more delicate, thanks.
Not trying to flame you in anyway, I just honestly think we do not need bezelless displays.

Bezel-less is a gimmick. Looks good from a design aspect but the functionality isn't 100% there since black bars when watching Videos/VR Apps/OS have to be made to work
Also 1+ tries to keep the cost of their devices to a minimum and in a video they did mention they'd use a bezelless display but currently wasn't in a position to do it

In future we will all have them folding phones, but till then phones should retain a minimum amount of bezel, because its more functional that way, phones like S8 are a disaster. Those who actually use it know it. At the same time the size of bezel on the Pixel is an abomination.
I don't know why OP created the OnePlus topic though, liked their first attempt, second one was cooler, third one was the best from them and now this one is simply pathetic. Not that I buy these sort of phones (brand I mean here) but still, not everyone is gonna, or should land a U11 or a Pixel anyway.

ithehappy said:
In future we will all have them folding phones, but till then phones should retain a minimum amount of bezel, because its more functional that way, phones like S8 are a disaster. Those who actually use it know it. At the same time the size of bezel on the Pixel is an abomination.
I don't know why OP created the OnePlus topic though, liked their first attempt, second one was cooler, third one was the best from them and now this one is simply pathetic. Not that I buy these sort of phones (brand I mean here) but still, not everyone is gonna, or should land a U11 or a Pixel anyway.
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I use the S8+ and it is far from a disaster for my usage. That's just my opinion though.

MrWilsonxD said:
I really don't like this bezelless trend. I've played with the G6, S8 and owned the note 2-5.
Screens are delicate enough, and good tempered glass has only become harder to find since this curved screen craze has shown up. We don't need any help with making our phones any more delicate, thanks.
Not trying to flame you in anyway, I just honestly think we do not need bezelless displays.
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I completely agree.
I have larger hands than most and need some surface area other than the screen to hold on to.

parakleet said:
I completely agree.
I have larger hands than most and need some surface area other than the screen to hold on to.
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Same, I'm 2 meters tall with hands just as freakishly large, while I am no advocate for Xperia size bezels *Twitches* or pixel xl sized bezels *Shudders* I would much rather see some front firing speakers than this bezeless craze continue.
I just generally upset with where phones are going right now... I felt like last year we got so many awesome upgrades,
The Moto Z play keeping it conssitent with amazing battery life and a success at modularity.
The Honor 8 bringing dual cams in. (Even though this was not the first android phone to do this, I think the honr 8 was the first one that picked up a lot of steam.)
The S7 (I can't believe I said this, I dislike samsung, but I have to get them their credit) but water resistance, wireless charging, good camera, micro sd all in one package!
The Axon 7 filling in the gap for htc with their identity crisis, bringing the best front firing speakers with the same processor and screen resolution as flagships of that year..
The Pixel (Price way too high, I know..) but it's Google's Foray to inject their product to more people.
LG, with... Hah, wait, no they still ate it in 2016.
Then processors for 2016, I felt there was such a huge jump from the 810 to the 820. With performance and heat.. To me it seemed like manufacturers were trying to improve the usability of their phones, with this year, we are killing headphone jacks and trying to get bezelless phones that are wafer thin. I would much rather have a phone with a larger battery or more room for heat dispersion than a phone that would break if I accidentally sat on it wrong.
I'm not trying to discredit anyone's desires here, I just feel like focusing on bezels is so... Secondary.. It's aesthetics, I thought we should just leave that for Samsung and Apple to chase, (And LG to pretend they can catch up)

Smaller bezels = smaller phone. I want the smallest phone possible with a LARGE screen.
That Note 3 was just damned perfect.

CZ Eddie said:
Smaller bezels = smaller phone. I want the smallest phone possible with a LARGE screen.
That Note 3 was just damned perfect.
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I agree. Not sure Samsung's goal was specifically for a bezeless phone, but more likely to put the biggest screen possible on the smallest chassis they could build. In that respect, I love the trend. I'm not fond of cutting the screen a la the essential phone to decrease phone size

I'd be happy with a phone the same size as the Pixel with the same bezels. Better battery, SD card slot, waterproof, good camera, and unlockable bootloader.

aholeinthewor1d said:
I'd be happy with a phone the same size as the Pixel with the same bezels. Better battery, SD card slot, waterproof, good camera, and unlockable bootloader.
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I know it's probably a lost cause but i am hoping they keep the AUX jack as well.

Besides curved edges and delicate display concerns the thing that bothers me about the bezeless design trend is that the more they reduce the bottom bezel the further down on-screen keyboard becomes. This results in more stress to my hand when swipe typing which is my primary input method on my phone. On the S8 it's not too bad since the phone is narrow and I can reach the lower corners of the keyboard fine when holding one handed but on the S8+ stretch becomes more pronounced and I suspect long stints of texting will be an issue for me.

Quality feel (use of materials)

Rate this thread to express how you think the Moto X4 feels in terms of quality. A higher rating indicates that it feels premium and high-quality (attention to detail is high, manufacturing defects don't exist, etc).
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Feels like a $1000 phone. Sturdy, tight, and sleek. Moto makes great use of rounded backs and corners to make their phones feel great in the hand.

Agree with everything but also want to add that I love how the phone feels cold when you pick it up

The shiney smooth back is actually grippier than I would have expected. Overall it feels very nice.
I have a few small (SMALL) quirks about the device that are a little bothering if I think about them, but it's mostly just me nit-picking. The model number is printed on a light color font on the bottom, between the headphone jack and USB-C. It's kinda weird to be seeing a font where there almost shouldn't be. The SIM card is on top of the phone, which is a little weird to me. The breaks in the phone where the antennas are (2 on bottom, 1 on top) are a little disjointing if you notice them. The volume-up-down are a little harder to click than I would like (but that's probably a good thing to avoid accidental clicks). And lastly, 2 of the 3 microphones (the ones on the front and back) seem to be more noticeable than I expected. It was actually one of the first things I noticed when I first took it out of the box, and turned it around to look at the smooth back.
As I said, these are nit-picks. Overall, it's a very well built phone, sturdy, and very pleasant to use. Would highly recommend.

crazyates said:
The shiney smooth back is actually grippier than I would have expected. Overall it feels very nice.
I have a few small (SMALL) quirks about the device that are a little bothering if I think about them, but it's mostly just me nit-picking. The model number is printed on a light color font on the bottom, between the headphone jack and USB-C. It's kinda weird to be seeing a font where there almost shouldn't be. The SIM card is on top of the phone, which is a little weird to me. The breaks in the phone where the antennas are (2 on bottom, 1 on top) are a little disjointing if you notice them. The volume-up-down are a little harder to click than I would like (but that's probably a good thing to avoid accidental clicks). And lastly, 2 of the 3 microphones (the ones on the front and back) seem to be more noticeable than I expected. It was actually one of the first things I noticed when I first took it out of the box, and turned it around to look at the smooth back.
As I said, these are nit-picks. Overall, it's a very well built phone, sturdy, and very pleasant to use. Would highly recommend.
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Let me be the first (likely of many) to warn that Lenovo-rola is notorious for crap quality. The phone's have some awesome features, but quality bites, their support is so bad they got sued (Gerard Gibbs) over it. My g5 plus is the last Moto device I will ever buy.
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mrdoug said:
Let me be the first (likely of many) to warn that Lenovo-rola is notorious for crap quality. The phone's have some awesome features, but quality bites, their support is so bad they got sued (Gerard Gibbs) over it. My g5 plus is the last Moto device I will ever buy.
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Apparently you got a bad one or else the g5 plus is a way worse build than the x4. Best quality phone I've ever owned, feels premium, very solid quality!

crazyates said:
The model number is printed on a light color font on the bottom, between the headphone jack and USB-C. It's kinda weird to be seeing a font where there almost shouldn't be.
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Do you really prefer when it's printed on the back?

Love the phone. The contour glass is beautiful, and not as slippery as I thought when reading reviews. Have not had a problem since I bought it in October. The only thing is the amazon Alexa and the camera. I felt like the original moto x did a way better job with voice commands than Alexa. The camera is fine, just wish that they made the bump smaller. But the weight and feel of the phone itself is awesome compared to others with a higher price. Give it a 8 out of a 10

I had a G5 Plus, and for a plastic phone, the build quality was extremely good. It was up there with any plastic Samsung phone I've ever handled. The X4 is much higher quality, though. It really does feel like a phone that costs twice as much. I think it's a little slippery, though, so I keep it in a case.

"Look" of the device (aesthetics)

Is the OnePlus 6 as good-looking as you are (despite your receding hairline, adult-onset acne, and massive weight gain)? Rate this thread to express whether you think the OnePlus 6 is attractive. A higher rating indicates that you would even go as far to say that the OnePlus 6 is a beautiful phone.
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I wanted go get the one plus 6 but I could never get over the notch. No matter how good the phone in term of specs I would be still holding a wanna be iPhone x. I went with the s9 plus. At least its original and unique design.

Dude, SGS9+ have a 158mm notch on both sides of the screen... so...

I just love the design and the big screen which is kinda nice although its a 1080p panel but the colors are sharp and accurate. I got the mirror black version which has the awesome premium glossy n shiny back to it, I just love it. And as far as the notch is concerned by many people, you can literally just disable the notch show in the software and it just looks like a regular notch less phone.
Psst.. its waaayy better than a Samsung considering the prize range.

What notch? When disabled it's invisible... Love my 8gb / 256 GB phone ???
Very good looking phone

oneplus6 is ugly piece of junk which developed by designers with broken hand and complete absence of taste
but it has hardware and software and hardware specs that you can get only in more uglier sams s9+
I'm highly upset that even for high $ I cannot get the phone that has everything !!

MidnightBlack OnePlus 6 looks really dope!

I have both Samsung S9+ and OP6. Aesthetically, S9+ looks more prime than OP6. The finish of S9+ is impeccable. I have USA unlocked S9+ and it still comes with lot of crap ware. OP6 has much lesser bloatware and since it's to root, you could simply uninstall any app you don't use. I also feel Screen is brighter and sharper than OP6. I also like S9+ camera. Only reason I use OP6 as my daily driver because of speed and performance. OP6 user experience (at least mine) is much better than S9+. However, S9+ does have better aesthetics in my opinion.

This iteration has quality control issues. My SIM drawer surround catches my finger slightly and the nylon filler inserts in the frame are more obvious compared to the OP5.
I have never liked the 'horizon line' that Carl Pei celebrated at release; I firmly believe 'form follows function' and can find no reason for it to barrel as it does. Sadly, Apple has the phone form right - IMHO; all that is needed is a rectangular block with rounded off corners and mildly rounded arrises. Anything else is simply styling to delineate from the competition (and prevent patent wars).
I'm finding, with the screen to the very edge, that sometimes the way I hold the phone interferes with my attempts to scroll. The fleshy part of my hand, being the rump of my thumb, falls over the screen and acts as a touch. This means there are limits to bezel size and/or edge touch-screen sensitivity. I really do find a chin - something I can hold with my thumb and forefinger in a cantilever grip far preferable.
In the days of yore phones came with a small anchor-point in the body so a cord or leash to wrap around the wrist could be attached. In the UK, and probably elsewhere, phone snatching is a problem. A leash could help prevent a phone snatch,
To those notch haters; get real; it is possible in software to remove it. But it is an interim step on the design process; it will be gone in an iteration or two, I have no doubt.

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Yeah not a big fan of the aesthetic at all.

lowtiertrash said:
Yeah not a big fan of the aesthetic at all.
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So what type of design would you have preferred?
And are you disappointed with the notch or overall build (glass back, camera position etc?)
Just curious
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croques said:
This iteration has quality control issues. My SIM drawer surround catches my finger slightly and the nylon filler inserts in the frame are more obvious compared to the OP5.
I have never liked the 'horizon line' that Carl Pei celebrated at release; I firmly believe 'form follows function' and can find no reason for it to barrel as it does. Sadly, Apple has the phone form right - IMHO; all that is needed is a rectangular block with rounded off corners and mildly rounded arrises. Anything else is simply styling to delineate from the competition (and prevent patent wars).
I'm finding, with the screen to the very edge, that sometimes the way I hold the phone interferes with my attempts to scroll. The fleshy part of my hand, being the rump of my thumb, falls over the screen and acts as a touch. This means there are limits to bezel size and/or edge touch-screen sensitivity. I really do find a chin - something I can hold with my thumb and forefinger in a cantilever grip far preferable.
In the days of yore phones came with a small anchor-point in the body so a cord or leash to wrap around the wrist could be attached. In the UK, and probably elsewhere, phone snatching is a problem. A leash could help prevent a phone snatch,
To those notch haters; get real; it is possible in software to remove it. But it is an interim step on the design process; it will be gone in an iteration or two, I have no doubt.
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I might have to agree about quality control. I've found that the tiny gap bw the glass back and aluminium sides is (very) slightly larger on one side.

Receive mine today.
Really don´t like the Notch, and that big thing with 2 cameras on back isn`t very aesthetic...
My note 3 from Xiaomi is much more sexy, blue, and also my Find 7 witch carbon back.
Apart that, nothing to complain about it.

Xorcia said:
I might have to agree about quality control. I've found that the tiny gap bw the glass back and aluminium sides is (very) slightly larger on one side.
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Yes, mine too. I forgot to mention that. I use a felt-lined leather slip-case and often see small straggling thread caught between the frame and the glass back at the lower right corner (when viewed from the back).

Received mine today..??
not so much annoyed by the notch...but hate the fact that now network speeds won't appear on the notification bar..a bit annoyed to pull down notification shade everytime..
but screen quality and performance is leaps and bounds ahead when compared to my old RN3..

Small_town_boy said:
Received mine today..
not so much annoyed by the notch...but hate the fact that now network speeds won't appear on the notification bar..a bit annoyed to pull down notification shade everytime..
but screen quality and performance is leaps and bounds ahead when compared to my old RN3..
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Totally agree with you about the network speed thing but that happens cause of the notch I am sure, overall Mirror Black looks amazing:good:

I got a silk white variant a couple of days ago and it looks wow.. I don't know why are few complaining for the design and colors. It looks very premium.
And regarding notch, there is always an option to hide it.

As someone who always runs black themes and wallpapers on amoled devices, the notch is mostly invisible.
And I don't get the people being so salty about the notch despite the fact that it's the shortest one among all notched phones ( and narrowest if you exclude water-drop notches and the one of the Essential PH-1 ) so it doesn't really interfere with the status bar. And when you go fullscreen with apps, the notch height gets blacked out and you still have 6 inches of the screen to view content on.
And even when you put a proper wallpaper on it, especially on AOSP roms, it looks unique in a good way( at least to me ). The notch on my last phone ( Xiaomi Mi 8 SE ) was hideous and it bothered me a little, but I actually like this one. It's what every notch should be like; a fair compromise to get a higher screen-to-body ratio.
If you don't like it, you're free to buy a Samsung or SONY phone ( SPOILER: you will have to get a second-hand one, encounter a great deal at your carrier...unless you're in Croatia where those are non-existent or cough up a lot more than you would for the OP6 ) and slap an AOSP GSI on either.

My only gripe, it's too thin. A slightly thicker phone would feel more secure in the hand and accommodate a larger battery.

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My only gripe, it's too thin. A slightly thicker phone would feel more secure in the hand and accommodate a larger battery.
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They might fix that for the OnePlus 6t by increasing the battery size

I think that the device looks really good and premium. The design is just awesome and I don't really mind the notch.

Ergonomics (in-hand feel)

Please, no "that's what she said" jokes. Rate this thread to express how you think the Samsung Galaxy S10 feels in-hand. A higher rating indicates that it's comfortable to hold for long periods of time, even in one hand. Resist the urge to say "TWSS" just now. Seriously.
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Compared to my S8 and iPhone XS this regular S10 feels huge. It's very hard to use one handed. I'm not thrilled about it.

Shiney aluminium on the edges
Brushed aluminium looks so much nicer, so bit disappointed in that
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While physically it is crazy close to my s8, one hand usability suffers greatly (and I have big hands).
I keep refering to this as a plus mini, and display size wise it's pretty accurate (s8 and 9 plus had 6.2 inch screen while 10 is a 6.1. While slighty taller aspect ratio).
I'm not saying it isn't a "smaller" device, but it no longer "feels" like a small phone in use.

Syn Ack said:
Compared to my S8 and iPhone XS this regular S10 feels huge. It's very hard to use one handed. I'm not thrilled about it.
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Why not go for the S10e

celsior360 said:
Why not go for the S10e
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Mostly because of the lack in screen quality. I would have done it if the phones were identical in everything but there was a smaller one the same size as the S10e.

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Mostly because of the lack in screen quality. I would have done it if the phones were identical in everything but there was a smaller one the same size as the S10e.
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Full HD is already good enough, the differences is very hard to tell from the naked eyes.

celsior360 said:
Why not go for the S10e
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Full HD is already good enough, the differences is very hard to tell from the naked eyes.
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For most people yes. However I've had the iPhone X and XS and now the Galaxy S10. I also have high quality 4K screens at home and 4K gaming computers. I can always tell the difference! Lol.
I am a screen quality and resolution fanatic so it is one of the most important considerations I make in a purchase.

Syn Ack said:
For most people yes. However I've had the iPhone X and XS and now the Galaxy S10. I also have high quality 4K screens at home and 4K gaming computers. I can always tell the difference! Lol.
I am a screen quality and resolution fanatic so it is one of the most important considerations I make in a purchase.
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Then you should go for the Sony 4K oled xperia 1

Good
XDA_RealLifeReview said:
Please, no "that's what she said" jokes. Rate this thread to express how you think the Samsung Galaxy S10 feels in-hand. A higher rating indicates that it's comfortable to hold for long periods of time, even in one hand. Resist the urge to say "TWSS" just now. Seriously.
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When seeing pictures I though it would feel awkward compared with my previous S8 but it actually feels good and not that different to the S8 since they are almost the same width.

Accidental touches/palm rejection are a real issue and worse than any previous device I have used.
I am forever opening the apps in the bottom left/right of my dock or first row and often find the icon/folder moved or removed completely!
Palm rejection is especially bad when watching videos and unless you use a chunky (ish) case I have not found a good way to hold it that does not trigger something on the screen.
Think the curved screen is old-hat now tbh and would have preferred a flat one. Also think it is cheating a little as it hides what would otherwise be pretty substantial side bezels.

Overall feel its okay for me since I have big hands but I'm not a fan of the edge screen, it's just annoying when typing one-handed.

We need a reachability functionally for Android asap. And not the "one hand" feature.
Edit: Nvm, Found Reachability Cursor and it works very well. Try it out!

Oh I absolutely love it. This is coming from someone who used an S7 for 1.5 years, and a Moto X Pure before that. I found the Motorola too big, the S7 was a comfy size... But the ergonomics of the S7 never felt comfortable.
However, the S10 feels beautifully designed. Samsung managed to make a phone with a mammoth sized 6.1 inch screen feel "small", the width is perfect, I will admit it's a little bit too tall but I wouldn't have it any other way. The curve on the back of the phone and the front are the same it seems like, which makes it even nicer to hold. Also, since that the cameras, flash, etc are all on a horizontal line they don't distract you anymore from holding the phone meaning less smudges.
The bottom chin is a good thing IMO, it makes the navbar buttons a little higher up making them in a comfortable spot.
I got used to the power button position fairly quickly and now I prefer it actually.
Overall, Samsung has done an amazing job on the ergonomics of this device, it's the perfect size and it feels great in the hand.

Quality feel (use of materials)

Rate this thread to express how you think the Samsung Galaxy S20 FE feels in terms of quality. A higher rating indicates that it feels premium and high-quality (attention to detail is high, manufacturing defects don't exist, etc).
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Cal lme crazy but I MUCH prefer plastic over glass. I love the plastic back. the matte finish is amazing. it doesn't break either.
it feels great in the hand, tho the front screen feels a little cheap due to the uneven bezels but eh.

I just upgraded my dead S7 to the S20 FE 5G. Does it feel "different" from my S7? Yes. I've read some reviews (where even the reviewer gave it to his wife to hold without saying anything) where they said it feels "cheap". I do not feel that way at all. It doesn't feel "cheap" to me. To me, that feeling is subjective at best.
But overall, I'm very pleased with this device. Of course, coming from my S7 of 6+ years (which was getting very slow), the S20 feels so much faster and smoother. I'm sure the 120hz refresh helps, but so many of the other features this phone has just renewed my joy in having a smartphone again. The S7 turned into just another device that I had, but now, with the S20 (even though it's been almost 2 years since it was first released), has just made having a mobile phone fun again for me. And coming from an S7 (with the glass back, etc), this new phone does not feel "cheap" to me.
I'm not disparaging those that feel that way, but just makes me wonder if they're used to having high-end devices that many of us refuse to spend over $1K on a phone for. Again, coming from an S7 to this, I do not feel like I've taken a step down. And for the price ($600), I think this is a great deal. Sure, it's only slated to get one more OS upgrade to Android 13, but then, I made my S7 last for 6+ years, and that's how I am. I'm not the type that upgrades my device every 2 to 3 years. I use my devices until they die.

I do miss a glass back, but out of all the plastic "premium" backs, this is the best in both feel and look.
It do make the phone lighter compared to glass though.
The screen touch feels fine, perfect sensitivity (a little too sensitive but just slight), the buttons have a nice feel and the aluminum frame is a nice touch.
All in all, nothing special (all phones with the same specs of material will feel the same) but out of the budget phones, this is the "premium" feel