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I'm from India and nexus one isn't officially launched. I know that if I buy the unlocked version, I'll be able to use it here in my country. I just wanted to know what features of this phone would be blocked in my country (i don't think any). Will I be able to use the GPS? iPhone worked flawlessly but I'm not a big fan of apple. I just don't like it. I really wanted an N1, because of android OS (custom roms) and the hardware its offering. If there is anything more you guys want me to know about the phone, please enlighten me
Its better than the iphone... thats all you need to know
Its a great phone buy one
Hopefully this attempt is mature and coherent:
PROS-
Multitasking
Maps and free gps navigation are accurate and awesome
Having a desktop is great for widgets and other customizations
Camera has adequate megapixels
5 screens is convenient
Google's apps are useful
Some multitouch capability
Live wallpapers are very cool
UI screen transitions are swell
Having access to Google apps can be really convenient
Amoled display is beautiful indoors and at night
If you want to root the phone the possibilities are abundant
CONS-
The stock and third party keyboards are terrible, HTC keyboard is less awful
The touchscreen is jittery
The amoled display is invisible in sunlight
Cameras pictures aren't what they should be considering the hardware
Most third party apps are useless
Randomly reboots
Sending mms is unreliable
Utilizes half of the ram it is capable of using
Browser is, for lack of room to elaborate, "finicky" (dont expect it to resemble a pc's browser)
I have 3g and full bars where I live but I lose all signal in most buildings (probably tmobiles fault)
In general I prefer Google to Apple. The Nexus is one of the better phones out there, I initially thought it was the best for the first couple of weeks, I haven't rooted and new software problems present themselves routinely. Since so many of the issues appear to be software related, If Google becomes motivated to address the multitude of those issues they could make this phone hands down the best mobile device for a pretty long while.
uhh... Cool story bro?
Anyway, everything should work in india, except google voice and maps navigation, except you can get a working(albeit limited) version from this very website. Check with your service provider for their frequencies. The original n1 is 900/2100, and a new one is out that supports 850. So find that out before you buy.
You will not be disappointed by this device.
DMaverick50 said:
I'm a huge fan of android but the iPhone is better than the nexus and better than android so far, which is really pathetic because the nexus has better specs and Google had ample time to see what works best about the iPhone but they chose not to learn from the most successful mobile OS on the planet. I've really been holding out hope that android would get their **** together. the g1 and mytouch were fun and cute little phones but the nexus purported to be a 'superphone' it has super potential but id definitely rather have an iPhone 3gs. I can't even see the damn screen on full brightness when the suns out. Android is better for geeks, and that's cool but its not for me, I want a phone that is backed by its maker. I don't have time or interest in fixing my own phone or having 3 different browser apps to collectively do what safari does. Every day I find a new bug in the android software. My confidence in android takes a hit daily.Today's android failure I found in a gizmodo article about thickbuttons or whatever its called keyboard, the article indicated that the iPhone already uses that technology. Only it does it better because androids crappy third party app moves the buttons over it doesn't simply enlarge them, so the letter isn't where you expect it to be. I tried it and thought wow finally some innovation for android. But buttons move and it isn't useful, plus its already on the iPhone in a useful implementation. Im so tired of having to rely on ****ty third party apps to do what my phone should out of the box. I've stopped looking at 'just in' apps, 99.5% of them are useless. I'm tired of waiting for google to update android to utilize this expensive hardware. I've got a year until my contracts up, if android hasn't got their **** together by then I'm moving my family to the iPhone. I'm sorry to many of you who read this, I really do like android, but I've been with android since the g1 and its just not good enough.
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I might have taken this post seriously if you didn't ramble and write like a 13 year old who just got his first phone.
Anyhow OP, I can't really see any features that you'll miss out on. I'm from the UK and apart from Google talk (US only), everything else works fine.
DMaverick50 said:
I'm a huge fan of android but the iPhone is better than the nexus and better than android so far, which is really pathetic because the nexus has better specs and Google had ample time to see what works best about the iPhone but they chose not to learn from the most successful mobile OS on the planet. I've really been holding out hope that android would get their **** together. the g1 and mytouch were fun and cute little phones but the nexus purported to be a 'superphone' it has super potential but id definitely rather have an iPhone 3gs. I can't even see the damn screen on full brightness when the suns out. Android is better for geeks, and that's cool but its not for me, I want a phone that is backed by its maker. I don't have time or interest in fixing my own phone or having 3 different browser apps to collectively do what safari does. Every day I find a new bug in the android software. My confidence in android takes a hit daily.Today's android failure I found in a gizmodo article about thickbuttons or whatever its called keyboard, the article indicated that the iPhone already uses that technology. Only it does it better because androids crappy third party app moves the buttons over it doesn't simply enlarge them, so the letter isn't where you expect it to be. I tried it and thought wow finally some innovation for android. But buttons move and it isn't useful, plus its already on the iPhone in a useful implementation. Im so tired of having to rely on ****ty third party apps to do what my phone should out of the box. I've stopped looking at 'just in' apps, 99.5% of them are useless. I'm tired of waiting for google to update android to utilize this expensive hardware. I've got a year until my contracts up, if android hasn't got their **** together by then I'm moving my family to the iPhone. I'm sorry to many of you who read this, I really do like android, but I've been with android since the g1 and its just not good enough.
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FFS learn to use paragraphs, Jesus Christ.
All I read was "I'm sorry to many of you who read this" -- yes, because of the eye strain
Maverick: You should really just make a thread outlining the OBJECTIVE flaws you see with the N1. You always complain, but it's never based on fact.
liam.lah said:
uhh... Cool story bro?
Anyway, everything should work in india, except google voice and maps navigation, except you can get a working(albeit limited) version from this very website. Check with your service provider for their frequencies. The original n1 is 900/2100, and a new one is out that supports 850. So find that out before you buy.
You will not be disappointed by this device.
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I know google voice won't be available but why would map navigation not work here? It works on all other phones.
Most of the 2g networks function at 900/1800 MHz and 3g at 2100 MHz. So I guess, tmo version would work fine but I can get AT&T one to get the additional 850
Yesterday I upgraded my sgs to froyo jpc with kies. I am new with Android but the post of Aery(congrats and thanks) was so clear that i didnt resist: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...=froyo+upgrade
Froyo is of course better than eclair but Android is still disappointing to me.*EDIT: ( If the official Froyo will be better than jpc so maybe, not that disappointing)*
I miss that proper voice dial/control (over bluetooth or not) and proper connectivity control (network,data,bluetooth and gps) of the old Symbian S60 OS on my lost 5800XM
Some Android fans did say that Symbian is primitive in comparison to Android. Well the first edition of the S60 didnt even have kinectic scrolling or multi-touch( the 5800 doesnt even have a capacitive touch screen), but what do I care about those toying things? I want basic functions working properly out of the box.
Android users have to wait till version 2.2 to get voice dialing over bluetooth and it's there now, but is very crappy.
Could android developers not investigate how Symbian does that?
I have mostly dutch names in mine phone book. Android's 2.2 voice dialing doesnt support the language of the phone if its not one of the 5 or 6 of its list
With symbian voice dialing will talk the phone's language as it should be.
With android voice dialing over bluetooth behaves erractic even in english.
And voice dialing directly at the phone doesnt repeat the names that it processes and it's so buggy and also erractic
With my old Nokia 5800XM, I could keep the phone in my pocket, and while listening to music with the headset, press and hold headset's talk button say a name the device repeats it and by no further action it makes the call; without even having to take phone out of the pocket....It wont happen with my sgs.
My car have bluetooth voice system that works perfectly ansd smoothly with my old 5800xm since the very first edition of the symbian S60, without pre-programing both systems...
Nothing primitive about that
Android developers should yhink about the future. The majority of the consumers don't know or don't have time to tweak a device or a OS or help to develop it. The majority of the users want a smartphone that will do basic functions and perform well out of the box...
Because if an android device will be just about being another expensive toy with cool graphics with cool touch-screen stuff, well, that market belongs to i-Phone.
And in this way, the future is not bright; they need to get a grip
That's my opinion
Froyo is still in Beta, the official froyo is not out for the public yet
voice dial works even on 2.1
you can use google voice build in or vlingo free
for data control there is SwitchPro, works great
yes there are still some stuff to polish on Android, it's not perfect, but we are getting there
and i agree the voice dialing is a bit buggy at recognizing the proper command or name to dial even in english
regardless of what your opinion is android is growing stronger by the year and not long before it takes over iphone inmho.
this is obvious, we are 2 years behind, yet look at the speed we are picking up in such a short time
Android Market is full of useful Apps, tools, add ons, and games
i spend a whole week installing apps to see which one was better, as there are times many does the same thing, but some are better designed than other.
For me Android is the cats meow...
I had a Windows Mobile phone (HTC Mogul aka P4000 in Canada) It sucked pretty bad. If it was not for this community that phone would have been useless.
While I've never owned an Iphone, I've had a ipod touch 2nd gen for a while.
Then I got my Galaxy S... I sent a good a amount of time reading about this phone when Samsung announced it. I also sent a good amount of time reading about other HTC android devices along with android itself.
I decided on this phone due to it's specs and how eager the community sounded about it's overall potential.
Sure the iphone has a large following and a very large app store, but it's not nearly customizable as a solid android device with an eager community wanting to constantly push it to it's full potential.
my 2 cents cdn.
riz157 said:
regardless of what your opinion is android is growing stronger by the year and not long before it takes over iphone inmho.
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I don't care if Android becomes another "hype" like the i-Phone, because it's "cool" is from Google or stuff like that.
I just want mine quite expensive Android device having the basic functions working properly out of the box.
Can you imagine what's gonna happen when Nokia decides to come up with a real high-end device, and with that I mean real fast processor, lots of Ram and Rom like in the sgs and then running Symbian^3 or Meego? The thing will fly.
That N8 is looking good but comes with the same old arm processor of the N97 just overlocked ( so I heard)
As I said I don't care about the i-Phone and all those suckers paying an abusive price to have a "hype" thing
And I dont care about how strong or rich Google gets. I am not a stock holder and i dont work for Google..do you?
I just wanted mine expensive phone having a good working stock voice dialing system.
If something is not working we have to point it out dont we?
Stop behaving like a fanboy and let them hear us...
AllGamer said:
this is obvious, we are 2 years behind, yet look at the speed we are picking up in such a short time
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Well, best answer till now. 2 years huh? Just that if you talk about vlingo, google voice search, voice dial of the 2.1 and all those apps on the market, you really should have a look at Symbian voice dialing; it looks like more than 2 years ahead.
Btw, Symbian S60 got it right on its first edition with the 5800XM. and that's very impressive for a phone that costs around 200 euros....
Well, but i like the bigger and brighter screen of the sgs. And its nice sound and good working wifi....but that have nothing to do with Android.....
Google said that currently only the US English is supported and working for the voice features.
The other accents, like UK English, and the other languages will be coming later.
But the good news with this, is that once the voice features are supported for a language, everything works - not only voice dialing, but also voice search, etc...
So I guess we just need to be patient.... at least google have already shown us that they are working fast.
BigMango said:
Google said that currently only the US English is supported and working for the voice features.
The other accents, like UK English, and the other languages will be coming later.
But the good news with this, is that once the voice features are supported for a language, everything works - not only voice dialing, but also voice search, etc...
So I guess we just need to be patient.... at least google have already shown us that they are working fast.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Google voice search and the voice dialing within android are 2 different things
The voice dialing in my sgs is powered by the PICO TTS engine that was quite buggy in the eclair and remains buggy in the (beta?) froyo and it is even more unfunctional over bluetooth.
The same engine behaving differently when speaking via BT and when speaking directly to the phone. Even in the standard language
All Google did is install a 3rd party app within the firmware instead of developing a voice engine within the OS.
Or is this Pico app just a temporary thing until google get things done? And where is the article?
Pls enlight me
betoNL said:
Well, best answer till now. 2 years huh? Just that if you talk about vlingo, google voice search, voice dial of the 2.1 and all those apps on the market, you really should have a look at Symbian voice dialing; it looks like more than 2 years ahead.
Btw, Symbian S60 got it right on its first edition with the 5800XM. and that's very impressive for a phone that costs around 200 euros....
Well, but i like the bigger and brighter screen of the sgs. And its nice sound and good working wifi....but that have nothing to do with Android.....
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Ok seriously if you are that in love with symbian and Nokia why did you buy a new phone. one would assume it was because you were tired of your old one and wanted to try something new that's great that you did, but if your this unhappy quit being a fan boy and just return the damned thing already and get another symbian device
And that's what grinds my gears
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betoNL said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but Google voice search and the voice dialing within android are 2 different things
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All of the voice actions are going to use the same engine.
I.ex: if you say "Call Joe" or "Navigate to Joe" or "Search for Joe" it's (obviously) the same engine. (but your phone doesn't have this engine yet).
There is a google video showing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGbYVvU0Z5s , and also a couple news around the web. As I said, only US is working now; the other accents and languages will be coming later. Voice actions is not even included in the international versions yet.
Currently, if you talk with a US accent it is working beautifully. But if you use another language or a UK accent it just falls on its face.
Anyway, once we get voice actions working properly in all of the languages Android will be 2 years ahead of Symbian & Co.
BigMango said:
All of the voice actions are going to use the same engine.
I.ex: if you say "Call Joe" or "Navigate to Joe" or "Search for Joe" it's (obviously) the same engine. (but your phone doesn't have this engine yet).
There is a google video showing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGbYVvU0Z5s , and also a couple news around the web. As I said, only US is working now; the other accents and languages will be coming later. Voice actions is not even included in the international versions yet.
Currently, if you talk with a US accent it is working beautifully. But if you use another language or a UK accent it just falls on its face.
Anyway, once we get voice actions working properly in all of the languages Android will be 2 years ahead of Symbian & Co.
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So I was right, 2 different things, both of them not working properly yet.
Firstly, during annoucements of Android 2.2 with a list of improvements, one of them was bluetooth voice dialing and of course they were reffering to the unfunctional or bad working Pico TTs engine; so bluetooth voice dialing is there but doesnt work properly and that's what I mean when I say "disappointing"
We are talking about the active engine, and not about something that will be ready someday maybe...
The whole issue with voice actions is another story and quite strange as well. What was that about accents?
If I use google voice search and I speak english with my brazilian/dutch accent and it understands me completely and never fails. why online search functions work even with my accent and the other functions won't? And for online search in english I was already usingo Vlingo on my old 5800xm almost 2 years ago
Seems to be it uses exactly the same technology of Vlingo or vice-versa, that means another toy thing.
But this thread has nothing to do with future possible solutions, it's about something that was supposed to work properly right now and it doesnt.
But who knows, our friend AllGamer is right; 2 years is not much and this is just a beta version?
Let's wait and see
There must be something android did right for you to have so much time to complain and still sticking with it.
What I care about is that android is getting better almost on a daily basis.
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betoNL said:
We are talking about the active engine, and not about something that will be ready someday maybe...
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Google actions is ready and working great. It was released 1 or 2 months ago.
But currently only US English is supported, this is why you don't have it on your Dutch/Brazilian phone.
betoNL said:
The whole issue with voice actions is another story and quite strange as well. What was that about accents?
If I use google voice search and I speak english with my brazilian/dutch accent and it understands me completely and never fails. why online search functions work even with my accent and the other functions won't?
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There's nothing strange here. You are still using the old system that worked poorly and just don't have the new voice actions engine yet, that's all.
As for accents: UK friends of mine are getting 98+% accuracy (even when dictating SMS) when speaking with a US accent. With a UK accent it fails miserably. But this is normal, as UK English isn't supported yet.
betoNL said:
And for online search in english I was already usingo Vlingo on my old 5800xm almost 2 years ago
Seems to be it uses exactly the same technology of Vlingo or vice-versa, that means another toy thing.
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I am not sure if your Vlingo is capable of doing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGbYVvU0Z5s , and to me this is not a "toy". This is the future, today. Everything done without key input, with voice commands... this is where we are heading.
Seriously, what we have now in US English is really amazing. Of course it still needs to get ironed out and all of the languages need to get supported. But Google is really moving fast.
kcharng said:
There must be something android did right for you to have so much time to complain and still sticking with it.
What I care about is that android is getting better almost on a daily basis.
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Of course. Are you 100% satisfied? Good for you.
Many things are going good, so, I wont complain about what is not going good? What about fake annoucements? Should users not complain about that? .... Critic is also a form of contribution. You can also see it as feedback; so my sgs will get better almost on a daily basis
It wont harm your android if you'll be always objective....
I complained just once, the rest are discussions, and that's the essence of a forum right?
Be logical, man
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Seriously, what we have now in US English is really amazing. Of course it still needs to get ironed out and all of the languages need to get supported. But Google is really moving fast.
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Again you are talking about the future and I,m talking about now. Are you playing word games?
It was officially announced: Finally voice dialing over bluetooth with Android Froyo 2.2 . Froyo is here, voice dialing over bluetooth can be activated but it's unfunctional...it doesnt work good.
Do you work for Google? So inform it to them.
And I also hope that voice actions will work offline
Cause I only use wifi and no internet in my car.
Proper voice dialing should work offline too
I rest my case
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Again you are talking about the future and I,m talking about now. Are you playing word games?
It was officially announced: Finally voice dialing over bluetooth with Android Froyo 2.2 . Froyo is here, voice dialing over bluetooth can be activated but it's unfunctional...it doesnt work good.
Do you work for Google? So inform it to them.
And I also hope that voice actions will work offline
Cause I only use wifi and no internet in my car.
Proper voice dialing should work offline too
I rest my case
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No. This is not the future. This is today. -> NOW<- and has been working for 1 month already.
For the 3rd time: it works in US English, but you can't install it in the other languages yet. Languages other than US are currently being implemented. FOR THIS REASON: it doesn't work on your Dutch/Brazilian phone, yet.
Of course it works offline (SMS & text dictating, local phone searches & actions) . But everything requiring an internet search (i.ex: google search and maps) will not render any results if you are offline, obviously.
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Seriously, what we have now in US English is really amazing. Of course it still needs to get ironed out and all of the languages need to get supported. But Google is really moving fast.
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That is the major flaw of the Android, it is so US centric (so have beena the most other US based, in the beginning).
It took 10 years from Microsoft to understand that
- there is other languages and alphabets in the World than the US English
- not all people uses 12-hour clock and mm/dd/yyyy date format
It took 10 years from programmers to understand that
- the applications should use the op-system date format, there is no need to take than by themselves
The Android is far from perfect, it is moderate even in basics. It is not 2 years behind, it is 5 years behind. My Android date format is dd/mm/yyyy, yesterday I add the birthday to my contacts, the date format is dd.mm.yyyy, why? That is the most stupid thing among other date mass about.
I hate those stupid US things, but I can live with those (for a while).
Hi I tense to agree with you, android is still a premature system, for instance the network connectivity switch just terrible with sgs compare to my old n97. And the worst thing sgs has a crap gps like n97
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for instance the network connectivity switch just terrible with sgs compare to my old n97.
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I don't know what problem you are having with network connectivity. Even on my HTC Kaiser , which is a 3 years old Windows Mobile 6 phone that was not made for android at all, network switching is working perfectly with Froyo.
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And the worst thing sgs has a crap gps like n97
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According to the latest tests posted in the gps threads, this issue seems to be fixed in the latest beta firmware (the official release is scheduled for this month). They compared it with the HTC Hero, the Nexus One and the iphone 4. The SGS tracking is now doing as well, and its getting a lock in about 10 seconds. (check the gps poll thread)
the current one on android is almost unusable, let's just be honest about that first and foremost. Siri, on the other hand looks amazing. From what I understand it is pretty much AI, correct me if I'm wrong though.
the question is, can Google implement AI like in a similar voice command way and not get sued up the ass?
looks like a killer feature and I WANT IT
If you read up on it ....apple did not invent Siri...it was around before..they bought it and implemented it into their OS...the innovators they are
There's an app for android called Vlingo...it does the basics of siri as far as giving u answers "within the app" example: "how many days til" -haloween-
Unlike google, which most of the time when you ask a question it will throw you into your browser and "google" (hehe) it for you...
I'm sure Google will come up with something soon tho...siri seems to be the biggest draw to the new phone. Gotta admit it's pretty damn impressive.
Am I the only one who thinks Siri and Google voice are practically the same thing? I can say to my phone "weather forecast" and within seconds it opens up Google search with my weather as the main thing. Or I can say "convert 34 euros to dollars" and boom it is right there.
I see no difference other than Siri just giving you a "prettier" response. I bet you Siri is using Google underneath to use as its search engine.
By the way, if you think Google voice command is unusable you are probably using it when you have a bad data connection or when on edge. Google voice command uses data connection for some reason, and to run fast on real time you should be on 3g or wifi.
When I have a good data connection, Google Voice command is practically 100 percent reliable, 100 percent accurate, fast and practically instantaneous.
Anyone know why Google voice command requires a fast data connection? I shouldn't need a data connection to say "dial steve." I never understood that.
You have to speak casually. Don't enunciate your words, just speak as though you were talking to a friend. If you usually say runnin' instead of "running," keep doing that. Your omission of that "g" is present in other words as well because it is your regional accent, and trying to change your speech makes it difficult for Google Voice Search to learn how you speak.
This is what makes Siri a little better, because it also continues to employ an older method of trying to interpret each word in American English after it has made an attempt to learn how you speak. It will reference what it thinks YOU are saying, then it checks with what it thinks an American English SPEAKER is saying. Thus, when you speak casually, both should give you equivalent results. When you speak into the phone like there's a Dell CSR on the other line, then Siri should give you better results because–over time–GVS becomes much more reliant on how it thinks you speak.
Moral of the story: Google Voice Search is smart and understands English. You don't have to speak to it like it's 5 or foreign. Speak naturally and consistently with your normal speech.
I've used Google voice for a while. Am I the only one that knows it tunes to your specific accent. It has a built in voice recognition feature that if checked makes the app better (with you) over time with use.
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Get Google Voice actions or Vlingo. It does everything Siri does and more. And it works on every Android phone with Android 2.0 and up (which is 95% of all Androids out there). The Siri on the other hand does NOT work with ANY iPhone out there but the iphone4Sux...
Here is what Forrester analyst Charles Golvin had to say about Siri:
Forrester believes that consumers will be much more slow to adopt this new interface than they did Apple's revolutionary touchscreen of its first iPhone.
If everyone who purchased an iPhone 4S used Siri for most of the interactions it was intended, we would have a cacophony of queries uttered in homes, streets and offices.
Who are you talking to on the phone, grandma asks? Siri! You shout back. Who's she? Wonders grandma. You get the idea. This is no surefire solution; it will take a lot of getting used to at a time when people are still typing on their phones more than speaking into them for anything but voice calls.
Apple bought Siri. Microsoft bought TellMe.
Who cares.
What matters is that Google's Voice Recognitions now lags behind Android and iOS (on a 4S, at least), and people want to know if it will be improved.
God. When will people answer questions instead of going on fanboi rants about how innovative one company or another is. No one cares. They only care about how well their device works.
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You have to speak casually. Don't enunciate your words, just speak as though you were talking to a friend. If you usually say runnin' instead of "running," keep doing that. Your omission of that "g" is present in other words as well because it is your regional accent, and trying to change your speech makes it difficult for Google Voice Search to learn how you speak.
This is what makes Siri a little better, because it also continues to employ an older method of trying to interpret each word in American English after it has made an attempt to learn how you speak. It will reference what it thinks YOU are saying, then it checks with what it thinks an American English SPEAKER is saying. Thus, when you speak casually, both should give you equivalent results. When you speak into the phone like there's a Dell CSR on the other line, then Siri should give you better results because–over time–GVS becomes much more reliant on how it thinks you speak.
Moral of the story: Google Voice Search is smart and understands English. You don't have to speak to it like it's 5 or foreign. Speak naturally and consistently with your normal speech.
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They don't give equivalent results all the time. I have Android (FroYo) and WP7 (Mango). Google's Voice Recognition is behind TellMe (what Mango uses), and if Siri works as well as Apple says it does, it will be better than Microsoft's implementation. From what I've seen, Gingerbread didn't make any huge inroads there and both employ the Cloud for their Voice Recognition services, IIRC. The competition is just catching up and surpassing them in some ways, and the ridiculously good Voice Recognition and GPS accuracy is one of the best things about Mango.
If you haven't used a Mango phone and used the Voice Recognition on it, then you have no decent basis for comparison, TBQH. No one has used Siri yet - at least not anyone on this forum so we have to go on speculation as far as that's concerned.
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God. When will people answer questions instead of going on fanboi rants about how innovative one company or another is. No one cares. They only care about how well their device works.
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Yes, yes, yes....
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Applicatio...le-Speech-Recognition-in-Catchup-Mode-426413/
Google is concerned enough about Siri's potential that is has shifted a key speech recognition engineer, Dave Burke, from the U.K. to join the Android team at Google's Mountain View. Calif. headquarters, according to Mobile India. Burke developed Google's mobile voice search app, among other tools.
With Burke and Mike Cohen, Google's director of speech technology, who created the T9 predictive text technology when he founded Nuance Communications, Google has more than enough engineering forepower to accept the gauntlet Apple has thrown down with Siri.
You know whats funny. With Android you have a Widget right on your homescreen to always tell you the current weather, with clouds/sun animation and all. Apple think siri is so cool "ohh look I can talk to my phone and ask it the weather." Stupid, Android widgets are better, the weather is constantly there, no need to take the extra thirty seconds to talk to your phone and wait for a response.
Google voice action/commands is the same thing as Suri. Nothing special about suri other than a pretty interface.
This is just more unnecessary technology from ANY company. I don't want to ask my phone a question. That's why I have thumbs. Its the same as motion controlled gaming. Totally pointless.
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i just tested the google voice search. i spoke completely normal and asked 'what's the weather like tomorrow' and it brought up monday's forecast (in part of a google search). however, if i ask 'what's on my calendar tomorrow' it googles that, which is useless. asking it to 'play slayer' brought up slayer in my google music beta, but did not start playing it.
so, it's not bad/unusable, but still has a ways to go. as for siri, when i was watching the demo video i couldn't stop laughing when the phone said 'let me think'. wtf? i won't put up with my phone telling me to let it think. it made me think of the invader zim episode where his computer is coughing.
as for needing a good internet connection, i'm sure siri works the same way. there is no way your phone can process voice commands like their servers can, so it offloads the work. natural language processing is pretty intensive.
funeralthirst said:
i just tested the google voice search. i spoke completely normal and asked 'what's the weather like tomorrow' and it brought up monday's forecast (in part of a google search). however, if i ask 'what's on my calendar tomorrow' it googles that, which is useless. asking it to 'play slayer' brought up slayer in my google music beta, but did not start playing it.
so, it's not bad/unusable, but still has a ways to go. as for siri, when i was watching the demo video i couldn't stop laughing when the phone said 'let me think'. wtf? i won't put up with my phone telling me to let it think. it made me think of the invader zim episode where his computer is coughing.
as for needing a good internet connection, i'm sure siri works the same way. there is no way your phone can process voice commands like their servers can, so it offloads the work. natural language processing is pretty intensive.
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the "let me think" is a loading distraction.
When you start your phone, do you want it to say the VIBRANT, and then the bootscreen, or do you want it to be black during the whole thing and not let you know the phone's even being turned on?
It would be so retarded saying "whats the weather tomorrow" -long motherf'ing pause- "Good."
LOL
SamsungVibrant said:
Am I the only one who thinks Siri and Google voice are practically the same thing? I can say to my phone "weather forecast" and within seconds it opens up Google search with my weather as the main thing. Or I can say "convert 34 euros to dollars" and boom it is right there.
I see no difference other than Siri just giving you a "prettier" response. I bet you Siri is using Google underneath to use as its search engine.
By the way, if you think Google voice command is unusable you are probably using it when you have a bad data connection or when on edge. Google voice command uses data connection for some reason, and to run fast on real time you should be on 3g or wifi.
When I have a good data connection, Google Voice command is practically 100 percent reliable, 100 percent accurate, fast and practically instantaneous.
Anyone know why Google voice command requires a fast data connection? I shouldn't need a data connection to say "dial steve." I never understood that.
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Same here. Never got why the hell it needs data for simple commands.
My MORE than 5 YEARS old pocket pc had a program called voice command and it didn't need any stupid data connection to do anything. And funnily enough, it was/is far more reliable than Google voice. Really frustrating.
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the "let me think" is a loading distraction.
When you start your phone, do you want it to say the VIBRANT, and then the bootscreen, or do you want it to be black during the whole thing and not let you know the phone's even being turned on?
It would be so retarded saying "whats the weather tomorrow" -long motherf'ing pause- "Good."
LOL
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i know the purpose, i just think it's a very bad choice.... 'checking', 'loading', etc. are much better, but really, what it should do is repeat what you said giving you an auditory confirmation that it got it right (if it's going to take a min, otherwise just spit out the answer). anthropomorphization of technology like this is annoying; and possibly even frightening/eerie to some people.
as for the loading, sure the screen could be blank, or it could show what it's doing (like fedora used to do, showing each check and the result). either way, it's not an animated face saying 'yo, bro, i'll have your home screen for you in a minute, i just gotta eat first'.
technology doesn't 'think'. yet.
funeralthirst said:
i know the purpose, i just think it's a very bad choice.... 'checking', 'loading', etc. are much better, but really, what it should do is repeat what you said giving you an auditory confirmation that it got it right (if it's going to take a min, otherwise just spit out the answer). anthropomorphization of technology like this is annoying; and possibly even frightening/eerie to some people.
as for the loading, sure the screen could be blank, or it could show what it's doing (like fedora used to do, showing each check and the result). either way, it's not an animated face saying 'yo, bro, i'll have your home screen for you in a minute, i just gotta eat first'.
technology doesn't 'think'. yet.
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Sure it does.
When you "think" your brain is basically "searching" something thats already been stored there before and bringing it back.
Google basically does the same thing, you type something, it "thinks" or "searches" for that answer.
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Sure it does.
When you "think" your brain is basically "searching" something thats already been stored there before and bringing it back.
Google basically does the same thing, you type something, it "thinks" or "searches" for that answer.
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I have to disagree with this quite a bit. If all your brain ever did when thinking it so to look back and pre-stored information then there would never be any new discoveries, no new thought, no new ideas and hence void the need for conversation except to give unknown information from one being to the next.
Remembrance could be described as nothing but pulling out old information but the creation of new ideas and thoughts are far more complex than that. Because of this fact, computer does not think. It cannot take information from 2 different streams and come up with a new idea or concept. It cannot add 2 and 2 without us telling it the rules.
As someone that works in IT, I loathe the statement that the computer is "thinking" while it is loading or while the user is waiting on it. It is processing, loading or writing, it does nothing else.
End Rant.
Didn't IBM come up with a new kind of processor that is revolutionary in the sense that it evolves due to environmental stimuli? I don't think they're using anymore transistor like processors, even on the quantum level.
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dardani89 said:
Didn't IBM come up with a new kind of processor that is revolutionary in the sense that it evolves due to environmental stimuli? I don't think they're using anymore transistor like processors, even on the quantum level.
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someone implemented an artificial neural network in hardware. don't remember who, though.
I used vlingo and t9 keyboard with dragon for about 2 minutes each and then deleted it... like someone else said i went back to thumbs. It's cool but I don't see many using it often once the new wears off.
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Am I the only lonely, lonely person that wishes to be able to talk to Cleverbot?
Title says it all
Other than the obvious multiple users on one device, and the fact that tablets are often shared in home/family settings, and how Nexus Q, Google TV will take over living rooms, AND the rumors going around Android becoming an official desktop/laptop OS.
One thing thats got me excited about the multi-user function, is how it can be used to manage business AND personal life on the same phone!
What do you guys think? Will it work?
For sure.
I think that would be a great feature if it could separate your home and work life. But I have self restraint not to mix my home and work lives. But at the same time, it's good to see whats going on in both at all times for me.
Some time ago I read something about VM-Ware is working on something like that. I'm sorry, I can't remember the source of this Information. It sounded quite interesting (many chill ideas and features). Perhaps some googling could help you find out more about this. If I remember right it should be right around the corner (2012/2013).
Rgds
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We might have seen what S8 now is / will be...
Let us discuss here, what is the most compelling feature/reason for you to buy a S8.
Hi Moderator,
can you move this thread to News & Discussion from Q&A section as this has been posted incorrectly and also poll list Bigger screen size into Moderate Screen Size (compare to S8+) and another poll entry with "Soft Key Navigation"
Revealed today.
There really is not enough new to warrant changing my 8 months old S7E.
Bring on the Note 8 or S9.
I just pre-order my S8+ !! Can't wait to get it the 22 april !!
The reasons I WON'T be getting the S8:
Facial Recognition (intrusive)
IRIS Scanner (intrusive)
Fingerprint Scanner (intrusive)
Bixby (Hal, Oblivion)
No IR Blaster (DSLR)
No SPen (Note user NECESSITY)
Enclosed Battery
What are the Pro's, then?
Screen
360
Processor
Camera
Water Resistance
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The reasons I WON'T be getting any phone:
Enclosed Battery
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Good luck getting any future phone with a removable battery.
I am thinking of tracking down another Note Edge.... I feel like I am losing a number of useful features by buying an S8+ as a replacement for my old Note Edge.
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I am thinking of tracking down another Note Edge.... I feel like I am losing a number of useful features by buying an S8+ as a replacement for my old Note Edge.
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Yup, existing Note 4 user here, still going strong. Was a pre-ordered Note 7 customer and now look where we are today...
The live 'unboxing' presentation just made me nauseous. "Partnered with Google" "Working alongside Microsoft"
I see where this is going. I am done. Back to Nature.
Actual Reality > Virtual Reality all. day. long.
I voted the ones more important. But I'll tell you the ones that I absolutely do not find interesting: Bixby and Samsung Connect.
I have my own DDNS service running, so I do not need any cloud service from Samsung to get the status of my home smart devices. Bixby is replicating Google Assistant functionality, so it's more bloat added to the system and more companies with my life's metadata and data. As it wasn't hard enough to block such information leaks.
Dex, IP68, accessores, IRIS scanner and face recognition are cool.
All of the above items, but the S8+ 6.2 Screen is number one!
I am looking forward to Bluetooth 5.0 and better security logon. I hate the fingerprint reader. Whenever I golf, it can't read my fingerprint for a few days. Especially when I re-grip my clubs!!
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I voted the ones more important. But I'll tell you the ones that I absolutely do not find interesting: Bixby and Samsung Connect.
I have my own DDNS service running, so I do not need any cloud service from Samsung to get the status of my home smart devices. Bixby is replicating Google Assistant functionality, so it's more bloat added to the system and more companies with my life's metadata and data. As it wasn't hard enough to block such information leaks.
Dex, IP68, accessores, IRIS scanner and face recognition are cool.
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It's actually the complete opposite of Google Assistant. It's embedded deep into the core functionality of the phone. Assistant is mainly for providing you information, with a few basic control features on top while Bixby allows much control over the device hardware and software via voice commands. It's a new feature that will need time to develop, Samsung wants to give you the option to do everything on your phone without having to touch it. One day you might not have to.
It's not for everyone though, you won't have to use it.
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It's actually the complete opposite of Google Assistant. It's embedded deep into the core functionality of the phone. Assistant is mainly for providing you information, with a few basic control features on top while Bixby allows much control over the device hardware and software via voice commands. It's a new feature that will need time to develop, Samsung wants to give you the option to do everything on your phone without having to touch it. One day you might not have to.
It's not for everyone though, you won't have to use it.
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I don't see how it can be completely the opposite. It has more control over your device to provide information.
the curve screen and the new specks
Highspeed123 said:
It's actually the complete opposite of Google Assistant. It's embedded deep into the core functionality of the phone. Assistant is mainly for providing you information, with a few basic control features on top while Bixby allows much control over the device hardware and software via voice commands. It's a new feature that will need time to develop, Samsung wants to give you the option to do everything on your phone without having to touch it. One day you might not have to.
It's not for everyone though, you won't have to use it.
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Does the world really need another assistant? Fragmentation is already bad enough on Android. So expecting from app developers to implement voice commands for other assistants besides Googles own doesn't seem like a smart move.
not much improvement over the S7/S7Edge.. high price for a little bit extra. Fingerprint on the back, really?
Going for the HTC U (Ocean, SD835) or wait for Note 8
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Does the world really need another assistant? Fragmentation is already bad enough on Android. So expecting from app developers to implement voice commands for other assistants besides Googles own doesn't seem like a smart move.
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I do see your point and you are right about the fragmentation. That's the problem with open source. Companies want to go their own separate ways with it. AI is the next logical step in technology though. In the far future I don't imagine people still tapping away on screens, we will have Robotics and very advanced AI systems providing us with all the information we need.
Googles Assistant is a great bit of software and I use it a fair bit. It just can't integrate deep enough with every device, because of the fragmentation you mention. If we only had Google devices it would become a lot more useful.
I won't have that much need for Bixby but Samsung saw the need in the Mass market, or else they would not have bothered. There will be many that do actually want it. Especially disabled people and for use while driving. Samsung can hook it deep into the core functionality and allow control over every aspect of the device...one day.
Apple can do what they want as they have full control over their software and hardware. Samsung are trying to do the same thing. As they are one of the only Android phone makers that actually make a profit, they might make a success of it. Who knows.
I think we will see some rival OS in the future, they come and go. I can't see Android and iOS lasting forever. Samsung will go their own way one day.
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Filiprino said:
I don't see how it can be completely the opposite. It has more control over your device to provide information.
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Maybe I exaggerated some what lol. What I meant is that Bixby is Samsung's attempt at allowing hands free control over their phones. It's the start, so I expect it to get better with time and allow for almost total control. It won't just be for information. You will be able to control the camera, edit photos via voice commands, turn things on and off and do most of the things you have to touch the screen for. Handy if you're disabled or unable to hold your phone at the time.
I doubt I'll be using it much but it's still nice to gain new features. There will always be those that do have a use for it. Hopefully those that don't, will have the option to disregard it entirely.
Screen and camera are my main reasons. Plus after about 9 years with HTC phones, since the fuze, it's time for a change. And 64gb internal is a nice bonus.
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if it came whit unlockable bootloader im in
altvolt74 said:
if it came whit unlockable bootloader im in
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That's a bad bet...