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So long Leo

If you are the kind of person who gets emotionally attached to the gadgets you buy, please stop reading this post.
I'm not trying to start an inflamed discussion about which is the best device or manufacturer.
I’m not an Apple fan, in fact, I hate being “Apple locked” and that’s one of the main reasons I’ve bought the Leo after owning an Eten x500, a Kaiser, a Blackstone and finally, an iPhone 3GS.
I could go over and over describing the differences and the pros and cons of each device but I won’t. I’ll just try to tell you guys a few things we don’t have to accept.
We don’t have to accept …
the endless steps (gold card, hardSPL, regEdit, dictionary hacks, you name it) needed to get the phone speaking your language. You just have to say: I want “THAT” system language and “THAT” input language and that’s it. That’s how it’s done on the iPhone. And I’m not talking 3 or 4 languages. I’m saying over 30 different languages and oh, you also have voice control on YOUR language. You don’t need to hack Voice Command…
an SMS conversation that gets all messages out of order (doesn’t HTC know how to do time calculations?)
a Gigahert processor which can’t smoothly scroll a web page. I know it’s probably due to bad Opera coding but… have you ever scrolled an iPhone Safari?
a whole bunch of bad designed apps which you can’t effectively control / interface with because Windows Mobile programmers really don’t seem to realize that “user friendlier” is better. Have you ever used a same App on both platforms? Take Trapster for example (It’s available at Micrsoft app store). The windows mobile version of it makes me feel sorry for the programmer while the iPhone version feels very nice. Of course this is not the only example…
a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
I could go on but there is something I realized that made me feel really hopeless (yes, I would really like to like a Windows phone). While HTC (and other manufacturers) keeps on launching device after device in a short time frame and thus creating new bugs and issues to deal with, Apple keeps on improving its one and only iPhone OS, for its one iPhone device (ok, different versions but very similar) which keeps getting better and better.
While iPhone developers have to deal with interface and compatibility issues for 3 very similar devices, a Windows Mobile developer has to deal with hundreds of them, some very poorly designed and a few very good (like Leo) but in the end, there is no way to develop a very good app for so many devices without a huge effort (and cost). Also, developing an App exclusively for one Windows phone wouldn’t be cost effective as a single model doesn’t represent a large enough consumer market.
Apple, with the iPhone, didn’t create a device as we are used to. Instead, they created a product with a long roadmap, mature SDK, sufficient market share, providing the necessary ecosystem for developers all around the world to make it even better.
It won’t be possible for any manufacturer, using any OS, to compete with such a mature product if they don’t realize it’s not a device we need. It’s a product.
Sadly, I’m going back to my 3GS… (god I hate iTunes…)

fmcastro said:
a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
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Couldn't agree more on that.. Actually some people believed that HTC guys were deaf to provide us with such a loud distorted audio quality. I can't forgive HTC for the SMS bug.. I can't load all my SMS, device becomes really really slow and laggy.. How come they did not run a proper test to ensure their HTC Messaging application was working fine with dozens of SMS? This is really unprofessional. What where they busy with? The weather animation?
HTC support will contact me today to collect some symptoms and bugs I found but they did NOT ( as they claimed ).
Hopefully a hotfix will be available ASAP.

Xeon said:
Couldn't agree more on that.. Actually some people believed that HTC guys were deaf to provide us with such a loud distorted audio quality. I can't forgive HTC for the SMS bug.. I can't load all my SMS, device becomes really really slow and laggy.. How come they did not run a proper test to ensure their HTC Messaging application was working fine with dozens of SMS? This is really unprofessional. What where they busy with? The weather animation?
HTC support will contact me today to collect some symptoms and bugs I found but they did NOT ( as they claimed ).
Hopefully a hotfix will be available ASAP.
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Well, one thing we can safely assume by now is that no one at HTC actually uses their devices. Unless they are all deaf, send and receive SMSs only to/from their one and only imaginary friend and probably spend too much of their time watching the weather channel...

fmcastro said:
Well, one thing we can safely assume by now is that no one at HTC actually uses their devices. Unless they are all deaf, send and receive SMSs only to/from their one and only imaginary friend and probably spend too much of their time watching the weather channel...
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Some bugs are bearable.. I had too many with all my previous XDA/HTC phones. But for such basic bugs to be found, the device primary tasks ( phone calls / SMS ) should never be affected because it makes the device useless...

fmcastro said:
the endless steps (gold card, hardSPL, regEdit, dictionary hacks, you name it) needed to get the phone speaking your language. You just have to say: I want “THAT” system language and “THAT” input language and that’s it. That’s how it’s done on the iPhone. And I’m not talking 3 or 4 languages. I’m saying over 30 different languages and oh, you also have voice control on YOUR language. You don’t need to hack Voice Command…
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Uh... you do realise that the reason these hacks exist is because the HD2 probably hasn't been officially launched in the country / language of your choice, and that people are hacking so they can use the HD2 in their country sooner than as decided by the carrier?
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an SMS conversation that gets all messages out of order (doesn’t HTC know how to do time calculations?)
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That's Microsoft's fault - having said that, I haven't had the problem with the HD2 itself - only the custom ROMS cooked with Leo packages on a Touch HD.
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a whole bunch of bad designed apps which you can’t effectively control / interface with because Windows Mobile programmers really don’t seem to realize that “user friendlier” is better. Have you ever used a same App on both platforms? Take Trapster for example (It’s available at Micrsoft app store). The windows mobile version of it makes me feel sorry for the programmer while the iPhone version feels very nice. Of course this is not the only example…
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And this is more due to laziness on the developer's part and nothing to do with Windows MObile or the HD2 in general. Take a look at S2U2 - have you seen how nice the settings page is? Or GAlarm, *the* best alarm program ever.
fmcastro said:
a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
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Agreed. Wish HTC would get their act together.
If you hate iTunes so much why not wait a few more months for the Xperia X10, running Android with Snapdragon? Or the Motorola DROID for that matter?

aussiebum said:
Uh... you do realise that the reason these hacks exist is because the HD2 probably hasn't been officially launched in the country / language of your choice, and that people are hacking so they can use the HD2 in their country sooner than as decided by the carrier?
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Humm... not exactly. Most people here at XDA were trying to switch from an oficial ROM to another. That said, we're talking about official languages. I was trying to flash a WWE ROM on a french device for example. The HTC excuse for this terrible language mess is, of course, microsoft: "Unfortunately, due to licensing restrictions put in place by Microsoft, it is not legally possible for us the change the language of a device once it has been loaded" - Quoted from an HTC support email I received.
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That's Microsoft's fault - having said that, I haven't had the problem with the HD2 itself - only the custom ROMS cooked with Leo packages on a Touch HD.
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Do you realise it shouldn't matter whose fault it is? It's a faulty device sold by HTC, period. I don't feel any better knowing it's an OS fault.
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And this is more due to laziness on the developer's part and nothing to do with Windows MObile or the HD2 in general. Take a look at S2U2 - have you seen how nice the settings page is? Or GAlarm, *the* best alarm program ever.
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I know but I think it's a bit more complicated as I said on the original post. Besides the laziness, WM developers face a too heterogeneous ecossystem that makes things really harder. "Ok, I've finished my app, now I just have to port it to 640x480, 480x640, 480x800, 800x480, 320x200, and who knows what else, despite the fact that standard WM UIs are really crap so every developer has to start from scratch if they want to make something look good. In short, only a few very brave souls will be capable of that.
aussiebum said:
Agreed. Wish HTC would get their act together.
If you hate iTunes so much why not wait a few more months for the Xperia X10, running Android with Snapdragon? Or the Motorola DROID for that matter?
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Because Android is not that good also. It seems like a better OS than WM but when it comes to user experience and, most important, a consistent user experience across all apps, it fails for the same reason WM fails. Lack of a product design and roadmap. It's just trying desperately to be installed on as most devices as it can.
Regards

And yet, the reasons people still use Winmo/Android is because the Iphone OS has serious deficiencies in some areas.
There is no perfect phone....all we can do is make the best of each OS.

Honestly you'd be better off with an iphone. I love my HD2 despite some minor problems, because I enjoy messing around with my phone. Also browsing the net on the HD2 is much faster than on the 3GS and you don't have to zoom in in order to read anything on the screen.
Let's not forget that the device is going to be upgradeable to winmo 7 as well.

Solution - keep HD2 and get ipod Touch - best of both worlds. Connect ipod via Wifi to HD2.

I owned iphone 3gs...
I read all you've been writing and i, as former iphone 3gs user, must say that everything you say is corect but... why don't you say to all of us why you gave up your iphone... or why you really hating go back to itunes... and of course why in the close future you'll give up again, and sell the iphone???
The answer, real answer is that with iPhone you have everything right in place as you say but there is no fun... no joy... like trying to have the best sex but not in the mood... if know what i mean...
I had moments when i pulled out my iphone, from my pocket, and i wanted to play arround with it and...come on, really boring!!!
Iphone is the best in terms of everyday use, but if wm 7 will get better in terms of use it's going to be a strong iphone killer!!!
I really like my HD2, in spite of all the hiccups, because it's fun, you can lose yourself for hours doing nothing but looking inside of it... settings, registry, HKLM, HKCU... does ring a bell, than entering here at xda and finding that someone did something and you hold your breath till you see if that is working or not...
I only say that i like playing... and HTC HD2 is giving me that!!! i don't need silly games to have fun from my device...
By the way...
No OS can have better handle of e-mail attachments than wm... for sure!!!
I HAVE NO REGRETS FOR SELLING IPHONE OVER HTC HD2!!!
Cheers!

jimbo29 said:
I really like my HD2, in spite of all the hiccups, because it's fun, you can lose yourself for hours doing nothing but looking inside of it... settings, registry, HKLM, HKCU... does ring a bell, than entering here at xda and finding that someone did something and you hold your breath till you see if that is working or not...
I only say that i like playing... and HTC HD2 is giving me that!!! i don't need silly games to have fun from my device...
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Thanks for perfectly expressing my thoughts

Toss3 said:
Honestly you'd be better off with an iphone. I love my HD2 despite some minor problems, because I enjoy messing around with my phone. Also browsing the net on the HD2 is much faster than on the 3GS and you don't have to zoom in in order to read anything on the screen.
Let's not forget that the device is going to be upgradeable to winmo 7 as well.
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I must say i have had an iphone 3g and i'm more happy with my HTC HD2. One of the reasons is because i simply think you pay way to much for the piece of hardware itself still no 5mpx camera while 8 is almost normal and 12 is high end. The new gs is worth more the money tough but the camera keeps me off and i kept hearing a annoying resonance while calling and the software isn't perfect as well and not that stable after a few days plus the battery life of the HTC HD2 is better as my iphone 3g and way better as the 3gs.
I like the default windows mobile software HTC Sense is annoying, camera flip, weather animations can't be turned off. Emails why show the email in the way it is shown now? i just rather had opened the whole email app so i can view the emails like your supposed to and not like a letter.
While calling you have to slide to get the extra options, why? there is a hang up button on screen wich you can press so why not the other buttons?
HTC tried to make a nice looking skin but not a functional one.
I use the default titanium skin with some modifications like a task manager added to the options and msn and the camera. But the apps for calling and the communications manager work great.
About windows mobile 7:
Windows mobile can be great. But i still have the idea they haven't learned from their mistakes. Look at the buttons a phone is supposed to have according to microsoft for windows mobile 7. a Pickup, a home, a start, a back and a hang up button. Why so many? Home and start could be one, 1 press to go home another to go to start and press again to go home again, simple and effective. Why a back button? when would you use that? Press the home button and your back in the home screen and applications usually have their own back button when needed. So pick-up home and hang-up would have been enough. Since Microsoft asks for these buttons they still think to complicated and i bet windows 7 will to complicated as well all though it will be more complete compared to 6.x.
But i love how i can change things to the user interface and multitasking is great, the iphone can't do that by default and that really sucks. And backgrounder that does make it possible, makes the phone more unstable as a windows mobile one. It is stupid windows mobile doesn't use it's greatest advantage for marketing and battling the iphone with it, this is where windows mobile could stand out with.
I'm writing this from my macbook on os x snow leopard and even i still prefer my windows mobile HTC HD2.

Windows Mobile 7 will simply use CE7 Kernel, compiled for new ARM CPUs and will use the new ARM instructions.
Now we're running Windows Mobile 6.5 that runs on CE5.2 kernel.
It's like running Windows98 on a Phenom X4 quadcore CPU
Even on other MSM chipsets that has got an ARM11 CPU, that potential isn't seen because of that.
When WM7 will be released, we'll see our device performance unleashed

I've had my HD2 for a week now and I must say I'm more than pleased with it. I did consider the iPhone as an option, but as I want to connect my phone to my Exchange Server then it was a no brainer to opt for a Windows Phone and the hardware specs of the HD2 are way above the iPhone. A big thing that put me off the iPhone was it's reliance upon iTunes to synchronise my calendar & contacts - it's dreadfully buggy toy software and I don't want a music application on my work PC.
If anyone has any doubts as to the iPhone's reliability and stability just Google "iPhone faults" and you'll see the problems users have experienced with their iPhones are considerable, with many being bricked through their hardware faults. Interestingly the most common reported faults are similar to those reported by the HTC dissenters such as slow SMS sending - maybe these are network issues? On top of that there's now the 'Astley' virus which Apple helpfully explain away as "the users' fault".
The emergence of open source Android phones whill hopefully spur the mainstream smartphone OS writers to concentrate their efforts on developing their own platforms. It's true to say that Microsoft haven't trerated their Windows OS as a mainstream product and there's still too much legacy code in 6.5, but it's still a decent OS for its intended purpose Hopefully that will be addressed in Version 7 which looks likely to be available to HD2 users as an (free?) upgrade. There's masses of quality third-party apps avaiable to maximise its smartphone potential for just about all users,.
There isn't a perfect smartphone out there and as we demand ever more features of them I doubt if there is likely to be in the forseable future, but the nice thing about the Windows Phone OS is that it is eminently hackable.

HD2 Simply Put...
Depth & Customization!

iphone got it right???
I remember hearing complaints about iphone for at least the first year, and as omneity says:
"If anyone has any doubts as to the iPhone's reliability and stability just Google "iPhone faults" and you'll see the problems users have experienced with their iPhones are considerable, with many being bricked through their hardware faults. Interestingly the most common reported faults are similar to those reported by the HTC dissenters such as slow SMS sending - maybe these are network issues? On top of that there's now the 'Astley' virus which Apple helpfully explain away as 'the users' fault' ".
fmcastro said:
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5. a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
Sadly, I’m going back to my 3GS… (god I hate iTunes…)
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p.s. I am a former Apple user. Iphone is more of Jobs' controlled user experience.
I couldn't stand it.
I find it ironic that Apple started out supporting open source while Gates worked hard at controlling users choice.
Now it is the reverse.

New things r always trapped in some trouble, and that's why i have paid close attention to leo, but i didn't buy it! im just waiting for a staid one.

To put it simply - the HD2 is the best phone I have ever used. I think it is awesome. I've had an iphone, etc - but the truth is there is no phone that hasn't got problems. The Iphone is falwed because it has no multi-tasking, crap camera, poor messaging (in my opinion), limited configurability, and its tied to iTunes which is horrible. The HD2 has non of the above. Yes it has flaws itself, but in my eyes less than any other phone out there at the moment.

Teneka_Khan said:
To put it simply - the HD2 is the best phone I have ever used. I think it is awesome. I've had an iphone, etc - but the truth is there is no phone that hasn't got problems. The Iphone is falwed because it has no multi-tasking, crap camera, poor messaging (in my opinion), limited configurability, and its tied to iTunes which is horrible. The HD2 has non of the above. Yes it has flaws itself, but in my eyes less than any other phone out there at the moment.
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I FULLY agree with you ; I also have a iphone 3G 16 GB but is now in the drawer collecting dust. As saying goes, One man's meat is another man poison . No point debating about how good/bad the HD2 and iPhone and any other PDA. It will never end
As far as I am concerned , the HD2 is my choice now vs iPhone

gavinfabl said:
Solution - keep HD2 and get ipod Touch - best of both worlds. Connect ipod via Wifi to HD2.
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Yep, I totally agree...and that's just what i've now done

Buying a Nexus One...help needed

I'm from India and nexus one isn't officially launched. I know that if I buy the unlocked version, I'll be able to use it here in my country. I just wanted to know what features of this phone would be blocked in my country (i don't think any). Will I be able to use the GPS? iPhone worked flawlessly but I'm not a big fan of apple. I just don't like it. I really wanted an N1, because of android OS (custom roms) and the hardware its offering. If there is anything more you guys want me to know about the phone, please enlighten me

Its better than the iphone... thats all you need to know

Its a great phone buy one

Hopefully this attempt is mature and coherent:
PROS-
Multitasking
Maps and free gps navigation are accurate and awesome
Having a desktop is great for widgets and other customizations
Camera has adequate megapixels
5 screens is convenient
Google's apps are useful
Some multitouch capability
Live wallpapers are very cool
UI screen transitions are swell
Having access to Google apps can be really convenient
Amoled display is beautiful indoors and at night
If you want to root the phone the possibilities are abundant
CONS-
The stock and third party keyboards are terrible, HTC keyboard is less awful
The touchscreen is jittery
The amoled display is invisible in sunlight
Cameras pictures aren't what they should be considering the hardware
Most third party apps are useless
Randomly reboots
Sending mms is unreliable
Utilizes half of the ram it is capable of using
Browser is, for lack of room to elaborate, "finicky" (dont expect it to resemble a pc's browser)
I have 3g and full bars where I live but I lose all signal in most buildings (probably tmobiles fault)
In general I prefer Google to Apple. The Nexus is one of the better phones out there, I initially thought it was the best for the first couple of weeks, I haven't rooted and new software problems present themselves routinely. Since so many of the issues appear to be software related, If Google becomes motivated to address the multitude of those issues they could make this phone hands down the best mobile device for a pretty long while.

uhh... Cool story bro?
Anyway, everything should work in india, except google voice and maps navigation, except you can get a working(albeit limited) version from this very website. Check with your service provider for their frequencies. The original n1 is 900/2100, and a new one is out that supports 850. So find that out before you buy.
You will not be disappointed by this device.

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I'm a huge fan of android but the iPhone is better than the nexus and better than android so far, which is really pathetic because the nexus has better specs and Google had ample time to see what works best about the iPhone but they chose not to learn from the most successful mobile OS on the planet. I've really been holding out hope that android would get their **** together. the g1 and mytouch were fun and cute little phones but the nexus purported to be a 'superphone' it has super potential but id definitely rather have an iPhone 3gs. I can't even see the damn screen on full brightness when the suns out. Android is better for geeks, and that's cool but its not for me, I want a phone that is backed by its maker. I don't have time or interest in fixing my own phone or having 3 different browser apps to collectively do what safari does. Every day I find a new bug in the android software. My confidence in android takes a hit daily.Today's android failure I found in a gizmodo article about thickbuttons or whatever its called keyboard, the article indicated that the iPhone already uses that technology. Only it does it better because androids crappy third party app moves the buttons over it doesn't simply enlarge them, so the letter isn't where you expect it to be. I tried it and thought wow finally some innovation for android. But buttons move and it isn't useful, plus its already on the iPhone in a useful implementation. Im so tired of having to rely on ****ty third party apps to do what my phone should out of the box. I've stopped looking at 'just in' apps, 99.5% of them are useless. I'm tired of waiting for google to update android to utilize this expensive hardware. I've got a year until my contracts up, if android hasn't got their **** together by then I'm moving my family to the iPhone. I'm sorry to many of you who read this, I really do like android, but I've been with android since the g1 and its just not good enough.
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I might have taken this post seriously if you didn't ramble and write like a 13 year old who just got his first phone.
Anyhow OP, I can't really see any features that you'll miss out on. I'm from the UK and apart from Google talk (US only), everything else works fine.

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I'm a huge fan of android but the iPhone is better than the nexus and better than android so far, which is really pathetic because the nexus has better specs and Google had ample time to see what works best about the iPhone but they chose not to learn from the most successful mobile OS on the planet. I've really been holding out hope that android would get their **** together. the g1 and mytouch were fun and cute little phones but the nexus purported to be a 'superphone' it has super potential but id definitely rather have an iPhone 3gs. I can't even see the damn screen on full brightness when the suns out. Android is better for geeks, and that's cool but its not for me, I want a phone that is backed by its maker. I don't have time or interest in fixing my own phone or having 3 different browser apps to collectively do what safari does. Every day I find a new bug in the android software. My confidence in android takes a hit daily.Today's android failure I found in a gizmodo article about thickbuttons or whatever its called keyboard, the article indicated that the iPhone already uses that technology. Only it does it better because androids crappy third party app moves the buttons over it doesn't simply enlarge them, so the letter isn't where you expect it to be. I tried it and thought wow finally some innovation for android. But buttons move and it isn't useful, plus its already on the iPhone in a useful implementation. Im so tired of having to rely on ****ty third party apps to do what my phone should out of the box. I've stopped looking at 'just in' apps, 99.5% of them are useless. I'm tired of waiting for google to update android to utilize this expensive hardware. I've got a year until my contracts up, if android hasn't got their **** together by then I'm moving my family to the iPhone. I'm sorry to many of you who read this, I really do like android, but I've been with android since the g1 and its just not good enough.
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FFS learn to use paragraphs, Jesus Christ.
All I read was "I'm sorry to many of you who read this" -- yes, because of the eye strain
Maverick: You should really just make a thread outlining the OBJECTIVE flaws you see with the N1. You always complain, but it's never based on fact.

liam.lah said:
uhh... Cool story bro?
Anyway, everything should work in india, except google voice and maps navigation, except you can get a working(albeit limited) version from this very website. Check with your service provider for their frequencies. The original n1 is 900/2100, and a new one is out that supports 850. So find that out before you buy.
You will not be disappointed by this device.
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I know google voice won't be available but why would map navigation not work here? It works on all other phones.
Most of the 2g networks function at 900/1800 MHz and 3g at 2100 MHz. So I guess, tmo version would work fine but I can get AT&T one to get the additional 850

Froyo around the corner:-)

http://www.amobil.no/artikler/android_2_2_til_galaxy_s_rett_rundt_hjornet/78810
This was an artical on a norwegian mobile site
This summer, it was said that Android 2.2 version of the Galaxy S probably would get an official version in September. September is known as the passed, but the update is now just around the corner.
- We have estimated the deployment in mid-October, and hopefully the update will reach users during the next week, "said Stig Ove Langø, major account manager in Samsung Norway.
Your phone is much faster
Android OS 2.2, also called Froyo, is a major update. Some of the highlights:
The browser has been quicker to load sites with Javascrip
Applications will load two to five times faster that everything does not have to be before you start, but it all happen on the way
Processor performance of the phone in general should be better
Memory handling must be very much faster.
Exchange support is greatly improved
The phone can function as Wi-Fi router
In addition, there are a lot of other things that have changed when it comes to user interface. The full list can look at the Android development page.

Great
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Ah, that's good news. amobil.no are usually more dependable than any operator. So this might just be the right deal...

it depends where the corner is...
i think is near too.

Samsung just tweeted this:
samsungukmobile Samsung UK Mobile
We’re very sorry about the delay with the release of Froyo. We're working on it round the clock & will post an update as soon as we have one
They like to tweet something like that every other week to make us think it's nearby. All we can do is wait.

hey tweeted that on the 8th i believe, and probably re-tweeted it again
i hope to god its just round the corner, im not moaning believe me, i moaned a hell of alot more with my hero and the delays for 2.1
GPS best be fixed, as no matter what rom i have flashed, it takes an age to lock on, and when it does at best im about 100 metres away from where i actually am
The filesystem is shocking also
all in all though, i love the music player, samsung always get that bit right

that gps problems is a hardware problem some guy who sended his phone back got a new antenna(different material) in it and then it worked fine! its with the first batch of phones. i got a phone that came with jm2 instead of fp3 from when i got it right out of the box and my phone is good and acurate on gps quick fix and very accurate 5-10 meters

Its a software problem with the GPS. i get 5-10 meters accuracy too. But when i slow down everything went jumping around... locking is not a problem for me. Its only that it cant rly lock me to one place. So i guess its a software problem

yea its jumping a little i just noticed in a gps monitoring program but it keeps locked on (rarely they go all gray for a sec but then its back again)(gives no problems in actual navigation) here and while driving and navigating in car with sygic mobile maps it never looses track

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FroYo better be good or I'm selling and getting WP7. Although I was against it from the start its shaping up to better than Android.
I love Android but its not polished as an OS yet. It really isn't. Samsung's AWFUL software department doesn't help either.

PaulForde said:
Samsung just tweeted this:
samsungukmobile Samsung UK Mobile
We’re very sorry about the delay with the release of Froyo. We're working on it round the clock & will post an update as soon as we have one
They like to tweet something like that every other week to make us think it's nearby. All we can do is wait.
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Good to know that they are working their ass off, because the beta Froyo's i've seen are not worth waiting for
Hope they take their time to make the update really worthwhile. No problem waiting for it.

khsbenny said:
FroYo better be good or I'm selling and getting WP7. Although I was against it from the start its shaping up to better than Android.
I love Android but its not polished as an OS yet. It really isn't. Samsung's AWFUL software department doesn't help either.
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So because Android still has a few quirks to sort out and needs some polish here and there, you're considering jumping to a spanking new, "fully rewritten" platform?
Among the features that are not yet present are cut, copy, and paste, full multitasking
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Support for removable SD cards and tethering have also been left out of the OS. Microsoft claims this to be in the interest of data security for enterprise users. Windows Phone 7 will also not support Silverlight in the web browser or IPsec virtual private network (VPN) security, videocalling, a system-wide file manager, Bluetooth file transfers, and music player equalizers.
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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Phone_7
Windows Phone 7 might become the next-best thing since sliced bread, but they've still got a long way to go

Then you can blame is all on M$ again like people are used too hehe

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So because Android still has a few quirks to sort out and needs some polish here and there, you're considering jumping to a spanking new, "fully rewritten" platform?
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Mainly because I miss my QWERTY keyboard! I was hoping the Epic would become global, but for some reason companies intend on keeping QWERTY for CDMA only .

proof GPS works fine on 2.1 stock phone with xwjm2 firmware
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjtLMOMemRQ&fmt=22 <-- Direct hd link

Disappointed

I can feel the flames coming
OK I am definitely not disappointed with the Hardware itself. Great form factor and I converted a few of the office Apple fanatics to it... Some guys in my office actually bought the tab after seeing mine
It's my first Android device and... I am disappointed by Android (Flames coming closer) or more precisely by the lack of refinement of the "productivity" apps.
Let me be more precise: I come from the WM 6.5.5 world (boooh). Android OS is definitely more stable (No memory leaks, etc...) more finger friendly, etc... BUT also
* It has way less options, at least in its stock version vs my custom made WM ROM (Sure my Grandma could use it (This is iOSesque type of OS), but that's not exactly what I am expecting for myself)
* The email app, so much praised in many reviews is still way behind outlook for WM. I miss the little arrow sign indicating me whether the email was forwarded, replied, etc... Not even talking about all the options available in pOutlook that definitely simplify the everyday life. A lot of very simple things are just not there. If you have multiple attachments, you need to download them one by one (Have to wait for the first one to be downloaded to have the option to download the second one). Unbeded links and pictures are displayed immediately when in Outlook they are blocked first to protect you in case it's a fishing email. Etc, etc...
* You don't have a single box (Or let's say single app) for SMS, MMS, eMails
* Implementation of Activesync is not good, neither full. SMS are not synced, and there seems to be bugs and quirks here and there (Why the hell is my Sent box often TWO DAYS late on sync ?? Just havent found a way to fix this. It just refreshes... sometimes, when it feels like it)
* Copy and paste is not present everywhere, I cant seem to be able to copy from any text I see on the screen (In WM just long press and then you get the copy and paste menu and the ability to select some text). It's possible in some places that have been thought for, but not from anywhere
Etc, etc... I definitely appreciate the slickness of the OS, the smoothness overall (That said I believe my TP2 would also be super smooth with a Hummingbird processor on board...). The fact that it's a growing platform allows to have access to the latest apps while there was barely anything new for my TP2 these days. But yeah, honestly... a lot of the applications need more refinement. I guess this will grow with age (hopefully) but it's definitely not there yet at least out of the box
I am not saying this for the sole purpose of criticizing. I will keep my Tab and I do like it. But I thought the jump would be without regret and it's not the case for the moment. I feel more like I did a compromise and a move taht had to be (No interest in a closed platform like WP7 and can't stay on a dieing one). And hopefully some of you while reading me will point me to some solutions they found for themselves, some suggestions of third party applications. meanwhile I still go back and forth between my tab and my TP2 and I find it easier to email with the TP2 (OK the physical keyboard helps too) while also cant take my eyes off HTC Sense (This I know it's just up to me to make some effort and install the right stuff to have great home screens)

You have some valid points (copy & paste, sms+emails in one place) but the other features are so obvious.
You can't compare the native apps on Win (Outlook, Active Sync) that suppose to work well on Android. I wouldn't think this is a surprise.

Android definitely has a little bit of a learning curve. My EVO was my first android OS device and after learning the little quirks I am a borderline fanboy.
I am not sure I agree with the comparison to iOS. I think Apple does a lot more "dumbing down" where Android gives you more freedom but you have to learn how to use it. Apparently it's working well for Apple. Can't fault their success.
Are you missing copy/paste in a certain app? I used it just last night (just got my tab yesterday) copying my Launcher Pro plus key from an email to LP. Menu>More>Select Text>Copy, I think. Long press where you would like to paste.
Anyway, give it time. I think it'll grow on ya.

Yes you're right I was a bit unfair to compare with iOS
And yes it's true it's evolving the right way
Copy and paste: simple example. How do I copy amd pate text from a webpage?

I believe you have to press the menu button, go to 'more' and then hit 'select text'. After that gliding your finger over text will select it. Its still not refined because it doesnt add the two 'pins' to move your selection area...that is in Gingerbread I think.

More gives me only print, share page and page info...
Unfortunately...
Founds new bugs that are very unprofessional: some sms going to the wrong inbox
And some emails answers sent... Without the text I typed (empty)
And of course since I dont have the aent emails for the past 2 days I juat cant event check this
I understand it's normal to expect Microsoft technology to be better implemented by Microsoft. However if Google wants to be serious with Android in the enterprise world they need to work on their exchange implementation
honeatly this email problem is just incredible...

Forgot to add that even though there are lots of free apps, some of the very useful ones are not included by default. If you wnat a good RDP client --> $20 for instance (Free with WM) All adding up it makes Android a "luxuary" OS in some cases...
That said not to be unfair the market of free apps is quite impressive (compared with WM)

I think Android is great. The new Android 3D maps are amazing both on my Nexus One and Galaxy Tab.
That said, my single complaint so far is the lag in the native browser and with Dolphin HD. I can't say I blame this on Android OS because my N1 does not have this problem. I'm a noob so I blame this on Samsung.

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Founds new bugs that are very unprofessional: some sms going to the wrong inbox
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Got that 3 days ago, an incoming sms displaying the wrong contact!... So I found that after answering to that same wrong contact, who warned me I probably have mistaken. I wonder how this can be possible... Samsung app?

Alcibiade said:
Forgot to add that even though there are lots of free apps, some of the very useful ones are not included by default. If you wnat a good RDP client --> $20 for instance (Free with WM) All adding up it makes Android a "luxuary" OS in some cases...
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Except that unlike Android, WM is not free in and of itself anyway, so the comparison is slightly flawed - only slightly though because as an end user you do not pay directly for WM, the OEM does!
Personally, I've found Wyse PocketCloud to be excellent, even in its free incarnation - it was so good, I bought the Pro version!
Of course, no OS is perfect - despite WM6s age, it still has some strengths. In many ways, it's a shame that MS threw the baby out with the bathwater with WP7!
Regards,
Dave

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More gives me only print, share page and page info...
Unfortunately...
Founds new bugs that are very unprofessional: some sms going to the wrong inbox
And some emails answers sent... Without the text I typed (empty)
And of course since I dont have the aent emails for the past 2 days I juat cant event check this
I understand it's normal to expect Microsoft technology to be better implemented by Microsoft. However if Google wants to be serious with Android in the enterprise world they need to work on their exchange implementation
honeatly this email problem is just incredible...
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Android gets a lot of blame for things that have been modified by the vendor. I've been on Android since the launch of the G1. One thing I can tell you is every device is different. HTC has their own Exchange client, same with Samsung. Many times I see their proprietary apps cause these problems. It's the price we pay for open.
The Galaxy Tab's ROM is pretty flawed. Typical for a first gen device. I'm counting the days till an update is released.
My suggestion is go with an Exchange client from the market. Touchdown (no longer called that) was generally considered the best or just hang on till the next update. For SMS I use Handcent which I love.
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Forgot to add that even though there are lots of free apps, some of the very useful ones are not included by default. If you wnat a good RDP client --> $20 for instance (Free with WM) All adding up it makes Android a "luxuary" OS in some cases...
That said not to be unfair the market of free apps is quite impressive (compared with WM)
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All enterprise apps demand big bucks. In Wimo's case that's a MS app hence free. But all the other enterprise stuff is $$$ for any platform. I agree with the other poster, PocketCloud is very good. I also have an Ipad and can tell you their apps are totally "luxuary" priced.
Give the platform more time. You're new and things are different so you're just going to see the negatives. Over time I would be shocked if you could even look at a wimo device...much less use it on a daily basis.

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Got that 3 days ago, an incoming sms displaying the wrong contact!... So I found that after answering to that same wrong contact, who warned me I probably have mistaken. I wonder how this can be possible... Samsung app?
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Wait what ? That happened to me couple of days ago.

orenxda said:
Got that 3 days ago, an incoming sms displaying the wrong contact!... So I found that after answering to that same wrong contact, who warned me I probably have mistaken. I wonder how this can be possible... Samsung app?
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Yeah I think we can blame Samsung about this. It's a real shamr cause I answered in a similar fashion to the wrong girl... Got in little trouble... But in the end kind of funny
Anyway shame on Sammy on this one. Very unprofessional...

Been reading the previous posts. My point was not to be critical of the OS itself. I do believe it's a much better OS than WM. It was much more about the applications that are still rough on the edges and not as mature as for other platforms
another example: in the samsung messaging application you cannot click on an HTML link to go straight to the webpage. Which year are we? 2005?

I too am very happy with my TP2, but I want a 7" phone. Although the Tab is the most close, it is still not there: many web contents are still available to WM and iPad only, the CDMA versions cannot make calls and are too pricey for the sluggish built-in browser.

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I too am very happy with my TP2, but I want a 7" phone. Although the Tab is the most close, it is still not there: many web contents are still available to WM and iPad only, the CDMA versions cannot make calls and are too pricey for the sluggish built-in browser.
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I have both now
Just need to find a good way to sync SMS between both...
Sad point is in the US you cannot have 2 SIMs with the same number. Otherwise would be living ina perfect world

Just found out it may not be possible to change my outlook calendar entries inthe Samsung calendar
i can delete but not move it to another dats
Maybe I am not doing it right... But we are getting close to a deal breaker
Honestly Android is a cool toy but feels so far from a professional well rounded product and only comparing with WM 6.5...
more and more diaappointed day by day..

This is why android is so great though...you said you had no complaints about the hardware being used, and I hear that a lot.
There are so many developers working on android devices including the tab trying to improve the UI and enable hardware acceleration etc.
I think that within a few months the tab will have roms that will fix or work around the various issues that are present in the current tab software.

Agreed android has a great future ahead
but there is quote some work to do. We are not there yet!!

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Agreed android has a great future ahead
but there is quote some work to do. We are not there yet!!
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I think the point is that Android scores lots of points where WinMo scores none, and vice versa!
My business uses Google Apps for Domains, so Android is a massive win for me. If your an MS shop, WinMo stills holds a great hand though 3rd party apps on Android can fill many of the gaps.
Over time we will see an awful lot of convergence - WP7 will get better and so will Android.
To be honest, for the most part, thus far Google have pitched Android as a consumer rather than business OS, and have relied on 3rd parties to provide full business integration. I expect 2011 will bring more to the biz table.
Regards,
Dave

Will Google put better Voice Command System like Siri on Android?

the current one on android is almost unusable, let's just be honest about that first and foremost. Siri, on the other hand looks amazing. From what I understand it is pretty much AI, correct me if I'm wrong though.
the question is, can Google implement AI like in a similar voice command way and not get sued up the ass?
looks like a killer feature and I WANT IT

If you read up on it ....apple did not invent Siri...it was around before..they bought it and implemented it into their OS...the innovators they are
There's an app for android called Vlingo...it does the basics of siri as far as giving u answers "within the app" example: "how many days til" -haloween-
Unlike google, which most of the time when you ask a question it will throw you into your browser and "google" (hehe) it for you...
I'm sure Google will come up with something soon tho...siri seems to be the biggest draw to the new phone. Gotta admit it's pretty damn impressive.

Am I the only one who thinks Siri and Google voice are practically the same thing? I can say to my phone "weather forecast" and within seconds it opens up Google search with my weather as the main thing. Or I can say "convert 34 euros to dollars" and boom it is right there.
I see no difference other than Siri just giving you a "prettier" response. I bet you Siri is using Google underneath to use as its search engine.
By the way, if you think Google voice command is unusable you are probably using it when you have a bad data connection or when on edge. Google voice command uses data connection for some reason, and to run fast on real time you should be on 3g or wifi.
When I have a good data connection, Google Voice command is practically 100 percent reliable, 100 percent accurate, fast and practically instantaneous.
Anyone know why Google voice command requires a fast data connection? I shouldn't need a data connection to say "dial steve." I never understood that.

You have to speak casually. Don't enunciate your words, just speak as though you were talking to a friend. If you usually say runnin' instead of "running," keep doing that. Your omission of that "g" is present in other words as well because it is your regional accent, and trying to change your speech makes it difficult for Google Voice Search to learn how you speak.
This is what makes Siri a little better, because it also continues to employ an older method of trying to interpret each word in American English after it has made an attempt to learn how you speak. It will reference what it thinks YOU are saying, then it checks with what it thinks an American English SPEAKER is saying. Thus, when you speak casually, both should give you equivalent results. When you speak into the phone like there's a Dell CSR on the other line, then Siri should give you better results because–over time–GVS becomes much more reliant on how it thinks you speak.
Moral of the story: Google Voice Search is smart and understands English. You don't have to speak to it like it's 5 or foreign. Speak naturally and consistently with your normal speech.

I've used Google voice for a while. Am I the only one that knows it tunes to your specific accent. It has a built in voice recognition feature that if checked makes the app better (with you) over time with use.
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Get Google Voice actions or Vlingo. It does everything Siri does and more. And it works on every Android phone with Android 2.0 and up (which is 95% of all Androids out there). The Siri on the other hand does NOT work with ANY iPhone out there but the iphone4Sux...
Here is what Forrester analyst Charles Golvin had to say about Siri:
Forrester believes that consumers will be much more slow to adopt this new interface than they did Apple's revolutionary touchscreen of its first iPhone.
If everyone who purchased an iPhone 4S used Siri for most of the interactions it was intended, we would have a cacophony of queries uttered in homes, streets and offices.
Who are you talking to on the phone, grandma asks? Siri! You shout back. Who's she? Wonders grandma. You get the idea. This is no surefire solution; it will take a lot of getting used to at a time when people are still typing on their phones more than speaking into them for anything but voice calls.

Apple bought Siri. Microsoft bought TellMe.
Who cares.
What matters is that Google's Voice Recognitions now lags behind Android and iOS (on a 4S, at least), and people want to know if it will be improved.
God. When will people answer questions instead of going on fanboi rants about how innovative one company or another is. No one cares. They only care about how well their device works.
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You have to speak casually. Don't enunciate your words, just speak as though you were talking to a friend. If you usually say runnin' instead of "running," keep doing that. Your omission of that "g" is present in other words as well because it is your regional accent, and trying to change your speech makes it difficult for Google Voice Search to learn how you speak.
This is what makes Siri a little better, because it also continues to employ an older method of trying to interpret each word in American English after it has made an attempt to learn how you speak. It will reference what it thinks YOU are saying, then it checks with what it thinks an American English SPEAKER is saying. Thus, when you speak casually, both should give you equivalent results. When you speak into the phone like there's a Dell CSR on the other line, then Siri should give you better results because–over time–GVS becomes much more reliant on how it thinks you speak.
Moral of the story: Google Voice Search is smart and understands English. You don't have to speak to it like it's 5 or foreign. Speak naturally and consistently with your normal speech.
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They don't give equivalent results all the time. I have Android (FroYo) and WP7 (Mango). Google's Voice Recognition is behind TellMe (what Mango uses), and if Siri works as well as Apple says it does, it will be better than Microsoft's implementation. From what I've seen, Gingerbread didn't make any huge inroads there and both employ the Cloud for their Voice Recognition services, IIRC. The competition is just catching up and surpassing them in some ways, and the ridiculously good Voice Recognition and GPS accuracy is one of the best things about Mango.
If you haven't used a Mango phone and used the Voice Recognition on it, then you have no decent basis for comparison, TBQH. No one has used Siri yet - at least not anyone on this forum so we have to go on speculation as far as that's concerned.

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God. When will people answer questions instead of going on fanboi rants about how innovative one company or another is. No one cares. They only care about how well their device works.
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Yes, yes, yes....
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Applicatio...le-Speech-Recognition-in-Catchup-Mode-426413/
Google is concerned enough about Siri's potential that is has shifted a key speech recognition engineer, Dave Burke, from the U.K. to join the Android team at Google's Mountain View. Calif. headquarters, according to Mobile India. Burke developed Google's mobile voice search app, among other tools.
With Burke and Mike Cohen, Google's director of speech technology, who created the T9 predictive text technology when he founded Nuance Communications, Google has more than enough engineering forepower to accept the gauntlet Apple has thrown down with Siri.

You know whats funny. With Android you have a Widget right on your homescreen to always tell you the current weather, with clouds/sun animation and all. Apple think siri is so cool "ohh look I can talk to my phone and ask it the weather." Stupid, Android widgets are better, the weather is constantly there, no need to take the extra thirty seconds to talk to your phone and wait for a response.
Google voice action/commands is the same thing as Suri. Nothing special about suri other than a pretty interface.

This is just more unnecessary technology from ANY company. I don't want to ask my phone a question. That's why I have thumbs. Its the same as motion controlled gaming. Totally pointless.
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i just tested the google voice search. i spoke completely normal and asked 'what's the weather like tomorrow' and it brought up monday's forecast (in part of a google search). however, if i ask 'what's on my calendar tomorrow' it googles that, which is useless. asking it to 'play slayer' brought up slayer in my google music beta, but did not start playing it.
so, it's not bad/unusable, but still has a ways to go. as for siri, when i was watching the demo video i couldn't stop laughing when the phone said 'let me think'. wtf? i won't put up with my phone telling me to let it think. it made me think of the invader zim episode where his computer is coughing.
as for needing a good internet connection, i'm sure siri works the same way. there is no way your phone can process voice commands like their servers can, so it offloads the work. natural language processing is pretty intensive.

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i just tested the google voice search. i spoke completely normal and asked 'what's the weather like tomorrow' and it brought up monday's forecast (in part of a google search). however, if i ask 'what's on my calendar tomorrow' it googles that, which is useless. asking it to 'play slayer' brought up slayer in my google music beta, but did not start playing it.
so, it's not bad/unusable, but still has a ways to go. as for siri, when i was watching the demo video i couldn't stop laughing when the phone said 'let me think'. wtf? i won't put up with my phone telling me to let it think. it made me think of the invader zim episode where his computer is coughing.
as for needing a good internet connection, i'm sure siri works the same way. there is no way your phone can process voice commands like their servers can, so it offloads the work. natural language processing is pretty intensive.
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the "let me think" is a loading distraction.
When you start your phone, do you want it to say the VIBRANT, and then the bootscreen, or do you want it to be black during the whole thing and not let you know the phone's even being turned on?
It would be so retarded saying "whats the weather tomorrow" -long motherf'ing pause- "Good."
LOL

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Am I the only one who thinks Siri and Google voice are practically the same thing? I can say to my phone "weather forecast" and within seconds it opens up Google search with my weather as the main thing. Or I can say "convert 34 euros to dollars" and boom it is right there.
I see no difference other than Siri just giving you a "prettier" response. I bet you Siri is using Google underneath to use as its search engine.
By the way, if you think Google voice command is unusable you are probably using it when you have a bad data connection or when on edge. Google voice command uses data connection for some reason, and to run fast on real time you should be on 3g or wifi.
When I have a good data connection, Google Voice command is practically 100 percent reliable, 100 percent accurate, fast and practically instantaneous.
Anyone know why Google voice command requires a fast data connection? I shouldn't need a data connection to say "dial steve." I never understood that.
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Same here. Never got why the hell it needs data for simple commands.
My MORE than 5 YEARS old pocket pc had a program called voice command and it didn't need any stupid data connection to do anything. And funnily enough, it was/is far more reliable than Google voice. Really frustrating.

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the "let me think" is a loading distraction.
When you start your phone, do you want it to say the VIBRANT, and then the bootscreen, or do you want it to be black during the whole thing and not let you know the phone's even being turned on?
It would be so retarded saying "whats the weather tomorrow" -long motherf'ing pause- "Good."
LOL
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i know the purpose, i just think it's a very bad choice.... 'checking', 'loading', etc. are much better, but really, what it should do is repeat what you said giving you an auditory confirmation that it got it right (if it's going to take a min, otherwise just spit out the answer). anthropomorphization of technology like this is annoying; and possibly even frightening/eerie to some people.
as for the loading, sure the screen could be blank, or it could show what it's doing (like fedora used to do, showing each check and the result). either way, it's not an animated face saying 'yo, bro, i'll have your home screen for you in a minute, i just gotta eat first'.
technology doesn't 'think'. yet.

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i know the purpose, i just think it's a very bad choice.... 'checking', 'loading', etc. are much better, but really, what it should do is repeat what you said giving you an auditory confirmation that it got it right (if it's going to take a min, otherwise just spit out the answer). anthropomorphization of technology like this is annoying; and possibly even frightening/eerie to some people.
as for the loading, sure the screen could be blank, or it could show what it's doing (like fedora used to do, showing each check and the result). either way, it's not an animated face saying 'yo, bro, i'll have your home screen for you in a minute, i just gotta eat first'.
technology doesn't 'think'. yet.
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Sure it does.
When you "think" your brain is basically "searching" something thats already been stored there before and bringing it back.
Google basically does the same thing, you type something, it "thinks" or "searches" for that answer.

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Sure it does.
When you "think" your brain is basically "searching" something thats already been stored there before and bringing it back.
Google basically does the same thing, you type something, it "thinks" or "searches" for that answer.
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I have to disagree with this quite a bit. If all your brain ever did when thinking it so to look back and pre-stored information then there would never be any new discoveries, no new thought, no new ideas and hence void the need for conversation except to give unknown information from one being to the next.
Remembrance could be described as nothing but pulling out old information but the creation of new ideas and thoughts are far more complex than that. Because of this fact, computer does not think. It cannot take information from 2 different streams and come up with a new idea or concept. It cannot add 2 and 2 without us telling it the rules.
As someone that works in IT, I loathe the statement that the computer is "thinking" while it is loading or while the user is waiting on it. It is processing, loading or writing, it does nothing else.
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Didn't IBM come up with a new kind of processor that is revolutionary in the sense that it evolves due to environmental stimuli? I don't think they're using anymore transistor like processors, even on the quantum level.
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Didn't IBM come up with a new kind of processor that is revolutionary in the sense that it evolves due to environmental stimuli? I don't think they're using anymore transistor like processors, even on the quantum level.
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someone implemented an artificial neural network in hardware. don't remember who, though.

I used vlingo and t9 keyboard with dragon for about 2 minutes each and then deleted it... like someone else said i went back to thumbs. It's cool but I don't see many using it often once the new wears off.
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