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Stand Alone VS Phone Companion

Hi Everyone
I would like to hear what smartwatch Mode do you think is the best : Stand Alone or Phone Companion and answer some questions:
1.Standalone Mode what will be in this mode the most important and what you will use the most?
2.Phone Companion Mode : What you will use the most in this mode and what you will want to have ?
3.Phone Companion Mode : When you will receive a phone call do you think you will like to answer from your smartphone or your smartwatch ?
4.What Mode you will think use the most ?
5.Someone that use yet a smartwatch how is your experience what is not practical, what did you not like?
Specify the model and if its was a Standalone or a Phone Companion.
Thanks
Best Regards
Damien Douk
A.I Watch Creator
www.aiwatchtech.com

Hi Damien, you probably know my reply already since we discussed it off-line
For me Companion mode is the most important. I would like to receive notifications of who is calling (so I can keep my phone on mute most and out of sight), notifications of txt message and being able to view it on the smartwatch (typically an easy implementation since its a short plain unformatted text), notification of calendar events so I don't miss a meeting or an upcoming appointment, and email notifications with a preview of the message.
In my personal opinion, answering call from a phone is optional but not necessary. Phone call is a private thing. I just would like to see who is calling and then make a decision if I want to dismiss the call (maybe with a simple rejection button or an option to send a few pre-defined txt messages like "i'm busy" or "will call you back soon"). If I need to pick up the call, I can always get my phone out of the pocket or pick up the call on bluetooth headset. With text message and calendar events, as I mentioned above, it is nice to preview on the screen of the smartwatch where I think 1.54"+ display is big enough to preview simple short text. With emails, it would be nice to see who is it from and body of the text. I wouldn't expect replying back from the watch; if its important and needs my immediate attention - I will take out my phone and type away the reply.
Of course, music control (of the songs on the phone and also songs stored on internal to smartwatch microSD card) would be important. Also, getting weather notifications from the phone is a big plus, as well as battery status of your smartphone.

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vectron said:
Hi Damien, you probably know my reply already since we discussed it off-line
For me Companion mode is the most important. I would like to receive notifications of who is calling (so I can keep my phone on mute most and out of sight), notifications of txt message and being able to view it on the smartwatch (typically an easy implementation since its a short plain unformatted text), notification of calendar events so I don't miss a meeting or an upcoming appointment, and email notifications with a preview of the message.
In my personal opinion, answering call from a phone is optional but not necessary. Phone call is a private thing. I just would like to see who is calling and then make a decision if I want to dismiss the call (maybe with a simple rejection button or an option to send a few pre-defined txt messages like "i'm busy" or "will call you back soon"). If I need to pick up the call, I can always get my phone out of the pocket or pick up the call on bluetooth headset. With text message and calendar events, as I mentioned above, it is nice to preview on the screen of the smartwatch where I think 1.54"+ display is big enough to preview simple short text. With emails, it would be nice to see who is it from and body of the text. I wouldn't expect replying back from the watch; if its important and needs my immediate attention - I will take out my phone and type away the reply.
Of course, music control (of the songs on the phone and also songs stored on internal to smartwatch microSD card) would be important. Also, getting weather notifications from the phone is a big plus, as well as battery status of your smartphone.
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Hi vectron
Thanks to taking your time to answer to all my questions, interesting suggestions like to see the battery status of your smartphone on your smartwatch seems to me a great Idea....
Just one question A.I Watch have a music player and you can play music directly from your A.I Watch, so why can be interesting to control your smartphone music from A.I Watch?
Best Regards
Damien Douk
A.I Watch Creator

If you pair up your smartwatch with a phone (wireless through bluetooth), your smartwatch becomes a controller just like any wireless headphone with playback control. That's how it works with a Pebble, Metawatch, and any other basic smartwatch. It becomes very useful when you are streaming music from your phone to external wireless speaker and can control playback right from your smartwatch.

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vectron said:
If you pair up your smartwatch with a phone (wireless through bluetooth), your smartwatch becomes a controller just like any wireless headphone with playback control. That's how it works with a Pebble, Metawatch, and any other basic smartwatch. It becomes very useful when you are streaming music from your phone to external wireless speaker and can control playback right from your smartwatch.
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Hi Vectron
Thanks for your reply
Yes but If I am correct on all those smartwatches that you mention you dont have the possibility to add music directly on the smartwatch and due of that not able to connect them to a Bluetooth speaker directly you always need to past from your smartphone....
You dont think its useless on a stand alone smartwatch ??
Best Regards

dedesuper said:
Hi Vectron
Thanks for your reply
Yes but If I am correct on all those smartwatches that you mention you dont have the possibility to add music directly on the smartwatch and due of that not able to connect them to a Bluetooth speaker directly you always need to past from your smartphone....
You dont think its useless on a stand alone smartwatch ??
Best Regards
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Yes, you are correct. Those other smartwatches don't have internal storage, so it makes sense to use them as wireless controller for audio playback on your smartphone. With AI Watch, TrueSmart and others you have an option of internal storage. As a matter of fact, I often use my TS as mp3-player on a wrist with my wireless headphones paired up directly. So in a way, its redundant to either play music from your watch or use your watch to control your music on the phone, since you can pair up external speaker directly to your watch. I do see your point now.

I believe there is a need for both a Standalone and a Companion. A standalone is great for those of us who have to carry two phones all the time. I know many people at work who have to carry their work phone and a personal phone, and at work the only thing the personal gets used for is checking email and taking calls from the wife. To be able to use the watch for that while still carrying the work phone for use all day would be great. And to be clear, the watch would ONLY be used for the personal as a standalone, and not also a companion for the work phone at the same time.
As a companion, which is how I use my Smartq Zwatch now is fairly useful, but would be infinitely more useful if: 1. Low power Bluetooth internet tethering; and 2. I need the option to let the watch make changes to the phone. I bought this watch so that I could see when I received text and email messages without pulling my phone out of my pocket but now I find that every time I receive a message I have to delete it from my phone AND my watch which actually make MORE steps in the process in stead of making the process easier. If I could have the option to "Delete Message From Phone?" Each time I deleted the message on the watch then it would make the process faster.
Just my two cents.
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While running today I had a thought. I use my smartwatch with my Galaxy Note 3. The phone is really big but I love the s pen, the media capabilities, and the battery life. But there are times when I'd rather not carry such a big phone so I keep an old galaxy Nexus lying around. What would be really cool would be to have all the cellular capabilities built into my watch with the ability to bluetooth tether lte data through the watch and into the phone. The the phone mfg's could make sick devices without having to include radios. Instead of having to pay $700 for this phone I could have bought a Note 8 for like $300. I know the watch would be more expensive, but some are already paying $300+ for a watch AND $600 for a phone.
Then when I go running for instance, the watch could connect via bluetooth to my headset and I wouldn't have to carry around my phone at all since this screen does nothing for me while running.
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vectron said:
Hi Damien, you probably know my reply already since we discussed it off-line
For me Companion mode is the most important. I would like to receive notifications of who is calling (so I can keep my phone on mute most and out of sight), notifications of txt message and being able to view it on the smartwatch (typically an easy implementation since its a short plain unformatted text), notification of calendar events so I don't miss a meeting or an upcoming appointment, and email notifications with a preview of the message.
In my personal opinion, answering call from a phone is optional but not necessary. Phone call is a private thing. I just would like to see who is calling and then make a decision if I want to dismiss the call (maybe with a simple rejection button or an option to send a few pre-defined txt messages like "i'm busy" or "will call you back soon"). If I need to pick up the call, I can always get my phone out of the pocket or pick up the call on bluetooth headset. With text message and calendar events, as I mentioned above, it is nice to preview on the screen of the smartwatch where I think 1.54"+ display is big enough to preview simple short text. With emails, it would be nice to see who is it from and body of the text. I wouldn't expect replying back from the watch; if its important and needs my immediate attention - I will take out my phone and type away the reply.
Of course, music control (of the songs on the phone and also songs stored on internal to smartwatch microSD card) would be important. Also, getting weather notifications from the phone is a big plus, as well as battery status of your smartphone.
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So, is there a watch (ZGPAX, SmartQ, HOT) which does all of this today ? I don't see why this would be so hard today. Doesn't Android allow applications to communicate with notification manager. Isn't it just a matter of pushing all your notifications from phone to watch ? This is for messaging and phone calls. For email and other apps, update happens automatically on all devices which shouldnt need anything special to work on a watch

cyrux004 said:
So, is there a watch (ZGPAX, SmartQ, HOT) which does all of this today ? I don't see why this would be so hard today. Doesn't Android allow applications to communicate with notification manager. Isn't it just a matter of pushing all your notifications from phone to watch ? This is for messaging and phone calls. For email and other apps, update happens automatically on all devices which shouldnt need anything special to work on a watch
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Hi ofsinreno
Thanks for all your suggestions, A.I Watch definitely do that we working on a Phone companion app by Bluetooth, and not Bluetooth tethering to be more battery efficient for both side, for now we succeed to get notifications etc...We still testing everything with different Android versions.
Hi cyrux004
Yes you are right all the smartwatches that you mention have this possibility but for the ZGPAX and SmartQ its by Bluetooth tethering and its not at all battery efficient. for the Hot is not a stand alone smartwatch so only the Phone companion option.
A Bluetooth app of this kind is new for everyone so actually not a lot of developers know how to develop it.
Best Regards
Damien Douk
A.I Watch Creator

I always carry two numbers. My company number rings the most and having that sim in my smart watch instead of having two phones would be easier for me. Options like camera, media, anti theft, sdcard and internal storage are something I need for everyday use. Wifi is a must and if possible since the watch can use simcard I can use gps and edge to connect if no wifi is available. I know for some of this may seem too much but I prefer my smart watch to be a back up for my phone just in case and also have the option of controlling my phone remotely.
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New U8

Got my U8 today and here's my initial impression:
Plus - 1. Immediately went to English, no Chinese. EZ setup. 2. Several choices for watch faces. Several choices for menu icons. Some are color and big. 3. Love the vibration for notification. 4. Speaker while on phone good. 5. Phone pick up works good.
Cons - 1. Washes out in sunlight bad. That's a show stopper for me. 2. Have to turn off phone Bluetooth and use handset for a private call. Switch is in my phone app and simple but still. 3. I use Touchdown for email and it doesn't notify on the watch. Working on that. 4. Band seems a bit 'soft', not hard rubber.
Added Con - Not having the watch face constantly lit is driving me nuts!

rogerperk said:
Got my U8 today and here's my initial impression:
Plus - 1. Immediately went to English, no Chinese. EZ setup. 2. Several choices for watch faces. Several choices for menu icons. Some are color and big. 3. Love the vibration for notification. 4. Speaker while on phone good. 5. Phone pick up works good.
Cons - 1. Washes out in sunlight bad. That's a show stopper for me. 2. Have to turn off phone Bluetooth and use handset for a private call. Switch is in my phone app and simple but still. 3. I use Touchdown for email and it doesn't notify on the watch. Working on that. 4. Band seems a bit 'soft', not hard rubber.
Added Con - Not having the watch face constantly lit is driving me nuts!
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Hi rogerperk,
Some image to your statement is very much appreciate.
Thanks

I was just looking at one of these on ebay today. Are you able to reply to text messages through it? Does it have voice input as well as a keyboard?

Artimis said:
I was just looking at one of these on ebay today. Are you able to reply to text messages through it? Does it have voice input as well as a keyboard?
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I bought a Pebble. Regardless of whether the U8 has voice input or not if I can't see the face they it's useless to me. And outside that is the case. If that doesn't matter then I'd be willing to sell you mine for a cheaper price than you'll get on line. Wore it a total of 2 days.

rogerperk said:
I bought a Pebble. Regardless of whether the U8 has voice input or not if I can't see the face they it's useless to me. And outside that is the case. If that doesn't matter then I'd be willing to sell you mine for a cheaper price than you'll get on line. Wore it a total of 2 days.
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Thanks but I'll pass. I'm going to stick with my MotoActv for now unless I can pick up a cheap Galaxy Gear or either the LG G-watch or Moto360 convinces me when released.

Artimis said:
Thanks but I'll pass. I'm going to stick with my MotoActv for now unless I can pick up a cheap Galaxy Gear or either the LG G-watch or Moto360 convinces me when released.
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LOL good choice! The longer I have my Pebble the better I like it.

Just got mine today
Hey Roger,
Been following another thread ("Elegance U8") and now this one since ordering mine off Ebay a week ago. Got it in the mail today, and I can see your points for both pro and con.
Here are my questions, if anyone knows. (yet)
I remember seeing what the actual phone OS is called somewhere, but can't find it now. EDIT: It's called "Nucleus." Have found some info and a sample download online. Might try and see if I can learn how to develop for it.Though the device plays nice with Android and ios, it's actually neither of those things. If someone knows what the name of it is, is it possible to find a tutorial on coding it somewhere?
The initial reason I ask is:
Not waiting for the manufacturer to patch the "shut off screen" function. I'd like to see if I can figure out how to do this myself, and
Enabling texting. Rather than a traditional keyboard, am thinking a sliding alphabet. A - slide to B - slide to C, etc. A pain in the butt, but probably less so than trying to use a keyboard. Picture the "carousel" from the Kindle Fire series, but with letters / numbers / symbols. Also, as suggested earlier in this thread texting with use of the mic, if possible.
Not saying I'd be able to do any of this, but I have limited experience doing some dev work in Android (through Unity) and am wondering if it's possible to self teach this OS, figuring that we quite probably won't see a lot of feature updates from whoever the manufacturer is of this product.
Thanks, and God bless.

If you do develop, please keep us updated. i like the watch but would love to be able to reply to messages. let me know if i can help any also in the development

Does anyone have the latest firmware for the smart watch?
Mine is: M28_KHR.FN1.V04
Regards.

Conect, was wondering if you'd gotten anywhere with OS development for this watch?

Is this the one you got,this is the one i have but the icons and analog faces are different... ?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/311154443880?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Conect11 said:
Hey Roger,
Been following another thread ("Elegance U8") and now this one since ordering mine off Ebay a week ago. Got it in the mail today, and I can see your points for both pro and con.
Here are my questions, if anyone knows. (yet)
I remember seeing what the actual phone OS is called somewhere, but can't find it now. EDIT: It's called "Nucleus." Have found some info and a sample download online. Might try and see if I can learn how to develop for it.Though the device plays nice with Android and ios, it's actually neither of those things. If someone knows what the name of it is, is it possible to find a tutorial on coding it somewhere?
The initial reason I ask is:
Not waiting for the manufacturer to patch the "shut off screen" function. I'd like to see if I can figure out how to do this myself, and
Enabling texting. Rather than a traditional keyboard, am thinking a sliding alphabet. A - slide to B - slide to C, etc. A pain in the butt, but probably less so than trying to use a keyboard. Picture the "carousel" from the Kindle Fire series, but with letters / numbers / symbols. Also, as suggested earlier in this thread texting with use of the mic, if possible.
Not saying I'd be able to do any of this, but I have limited experience doing some dev work in Android (through Unity) and am wondering if it's possible to self teach this OS, figuring that we quite probably won't see a lot of feature updates from whoever the manufacturer is of this product.
Thanks, and God bless.
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I've had my watch for about a week now, and I gotta say, for the price, it's pretty killer! I wish there was more development for it besides distributing firmware and flash tools.
I've noticed that when you activate Google Voice search and texting with the watch connected, it uses the watch mic to pick up your voice. I was thinking it might be cool to find a way to trigger voice search and voice texting from the watch, since you can already use it for voice input as long as you trigger the feature on your phone. Have you made any progress on trying to develop for the u8?
Also, I believe I read that they're going to release an SDK for MediaTek devices, such as this watch. Might be interesting to see if anything comes of that.

Wish there was a way to add a count down timer to this watch. It needs to have the timer with a start/stop button on the screen as well a reset button for the timer. so If I set it to 30secons, when I hit the reset after the 30s is up it will reset it back to 30secs again.
I need to root my phone so I can turn off a few notifications that I do not want to transmit.

driver instalation problem
helo,
maybe in wrong thread, but if anyone could help i would be grateful. my windows 8 dont recognise u8 watch, and i cant install provided drivers for vista. i'm stuck, and i would like to instal firmware, but without watch been recognised its not posible. thanx

Is there a way to make the U8 vibrate when you receive a text message or have a phone call?

I was wondering if anyone has found a way to get different faces on this watch. I believe mine may be a clone.

Kingelon / SWatch K2 MTK6572

I just received this watch yesterday, bought it through Aliexpress (search "SWatch K2" or "Kingelon K2").
Review: http://www.gizmochina.com/2014/05/22/star-kingelon-review-of-smart-watch-android-os-4-2/
@@ Pandawill also stock this now @@
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP3q_ZIZkYM&feature=kp
This is a complete replica of the Galaxy Gear. Build quality is excellent, looks like they use all the same screen, shell and band (with camera) of the original GG. Sealed non-replacable battery in a relatively thin body (about 11mm, same as GG1).
It uses MTK6572, has 4G ROM (about 1.1G usable), 512MB RAM. Pity there is no microSD slot to expand the memory.
It has only one button (to switch on watch / wake screen, and be the Home button). To navigate, swipe down from top = back, swipe up from bottom = menu.
There is a true Android 4.2.2 device and not some cheapo phonewatch with Java apps. There is access to Developer's options and USB Debugging (mine was set "on" already). This allows use of ADB to install apks.
No there is no Google Play store, no built-in web browser or video player. I am sure you can install these apps manually (I dunno how to install the Google Play package and I dont intend to do that).
Yes there is wifi, bluetooth (connects to my BT keyboard and working) and GPS (not tested).
I have not really tried out the apps, but they are pretty standard ones. I have also not tested the connection manager to the phone.
What I have done is so far are:
(1) Root the watch - after many failures using MTK Droid Tools, Framaroot, eroot etc., a friend gave me a tip about this chinese root tool called Kingroot. It is very successful in rooting most if not all chinese phones particularly those using Mediatek chips.
It installs its own version of superuser called kinguser, and its own version of su binaries. I thought what the heck lets give it a try, and it rooted the watch on the first run, and has no problem since.
Kingroot download page (Google translate) - choose "Kingroot PC ..." version
The program is in chinese. Installation was full of funky unreadable characters but most of the responses eg yes / no are the highlighted buttons. After installation, there is only one button to press. Just like all other one-click root programs, enable USB debugging on the watch, plug into USB cable and click the button, and it will do it all for you. Your watch should have rebooted when the process finishes.
(2) Back up the firmware using MTK Droid Tools + SP Flash tools - I followed this guide:
http://pinoyscreencast.net/how-to/get-full-rom-dump-stock-rom-mt6572-mediatek-smartphones-using-spft-mtk-droid-root-tools/
CONCLUSION:
This is a great find!! Excellent build quality, lightyears ahead of ZGPAX and SmartQ ZWatch. The hardware is similar to the Omate Truesmart / InWatch Z, except it is 4G ROM / 512 RAM with about 1.1Gb internal memory usable. I can live with this for the price of < USD 100.
You should go and buy this watch now because it is going to sell like hot potatoes. I am not going to test all the apps or answer questions about them, because they should work the same as Omate TS.
I am NOT a developer so dont ask me to do this and that cuz I dont know how to. I only back up the firmware in case I screw the watch up.
Hope that someone more knowledgeable would buy this watch to tweak and develop it. Then you can ask him questions.

I noticed this watch as well a couple of days ago. It looks pretty good, but the thing that still concerns me is the capacity of the battery, which is only 350mAh.. What are your experiences with the battery life so far?

was looking at getting one of these.
few questions:
is the camera quity okay?
are the photos saved to the phone or on the watch?
is the watch readable outside?
thanks bud
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Bought one waiting for it
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!! Major setback !!
!! MAJOR SETBACK !!
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Thank you doner03 for the solution - keyboard on smartphone will automatically pop up when you need to type something eg. click on writing aread of notepad app, when watch is connected to phone by BT and SWatch manager (smartphone companion) app running.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53405588&postcount=16
(1) Don't bother installing a virtual keyboard on the watch - there is no input menu in Settings to change keyboard settings and set default keyboard. If you use a keyboard switcher app eg. Quick Keyboard Switch, it will force close when you run it.
(2) Although BT keyboard works with the watch, once you install SWatch manager app, the BT keyboards will stop working. You cannot delete the paired BT keyboard from the BT menu, and if you paired BT keyboard and your smartphone, it may make SWatch manager stop working. If you can use your phone to type on the watch, there is no point pairing your watch with another BT keyboard anyway.

timtop said:
!! MAJOR SETBACK !!
The watch does not come with any virtual (onscreen) keyboard. I also discover it is NOT possible to use an onscreen keyboard, because the input functionality has been removed by the manufacturer:
If you go to Settings, there is only "Language" (normally this says "Language and Input" in the usual Android devices). There are no options to enable, change settings on, and set default to keyboards.
I googled and found a post describing how to use ADB shell to enable and set (as default) keyboards. I followed the instruction but it does not work.
I asked in that same forum (the respected Android Stack Overflow website), and I got an answer confirming my suspicion that this function has been removed on this watch.
It is not as simple as the access menu has been hidden or missing.
It would be nice to have an onscreen keyboard, and I guess either BT keyboard or phone keyboard via the phone companion app have to do!
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i have this watch i just installed google search .apk and use the voice typing on search bars it doesnt always work but most of the time it does
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92jacko said:
was looking at getting one of these.
few questions:
is the camera quity okay?
are the photos saved to the phone or on the watch?
is the watch readable outside?
thanks bud
Sent from my C5303 using Tapatalk
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yes camera is nice (5mp)
photos are saved to watch but can very easy be beamed to phone with a click threw manager app (comes with watch) same with video
yes the screen is the same quality as of the gear it is ok outside
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UntoldStories said:
I noticed this watch as well a couple of days ago. It looks pretty good, but the thing that still concerns me is the capacity of the battery, which is only 350mAh.. What are your experiences with the battery life so far?
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full charge and with you not playing with it every min last about 6 hours or less give or take heavy use (Pandora running) under 5

Keyboard is a BIG problem
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Thank you doner03 for the solution - keyboard on smartphone will automatically pop up when you need to type something eg. click on writing aread of notepad app, when watch is connected to phone by BT and SWatch manager app running.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53405588&postcount=16
(1) Don't bother installing a virtual keyboard on the watch - there is no input menu in Settings to change keyboard settings and set default keyboard. If you use a keyboard switcher app eg. Quick Keyboard Switch, it will force close when you run it.
(2) Although BT keyboard works with the watch, once you install SWatch manager app, the BT keyboards will stop working. You cannot delete the paired BT keyboard from the BT menu, and if you paired BT keyboard and your smartphone, it may make SWatch manager stop working. If you can use your phone to type on the watch, there is no point pairing your watch with another BT keyboard anyway.

timtop said:
I dont believe it, THERE IS NO VIRTUAL KEYBOARD in the SWatch Manager (smartphone companion)!! And why the FRAK did they take keyboard input access away from the watch so that we cant install KBs outselves?
How the hell do I type?? (sorry voice search is slow inaccurate and need BT connection). Without KB, you cannot use the watch to browse the internet or make notes etc.
The SmartDevice (maker of SmartQ ZWatch) scores in SW development - they actually think and add useful things such as (1) keyboard input (through the phone and watch companion) and (2) "auto screen on / show time when you raise your wrist to look at the watch" (by gyro sensors).
(1) keyboard problem - although I can pair BT keyboards with the watch, as soon as I pair the smartphone with SWatchManager app, I cannot get the BT keyboards to pair and work anymore.
(2) auto screen on / show time when you look at the watch - I tried both "Autoscreen on off" and "Gravity Screen" from Play store, which should provide this function. However, both apps force close when I run them. I suspect the watch only has simple gravity sensor but not the more sophisticated accelerometer and/or gyroscopic sensors.
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well my google voice search is very accurate on this watch it just doesnt work on all apps it does on facebook in the watch and chrome browser and it does not require bt it required wifi on

coolkid893 said:
i have this watch i just installed google search .apk and use the voice typing on search bars it doesnt always work but most of the time it does
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How do you install apk's on this watch?

timtop said:
(2) auto screen on / show time when you look at the watch - I tried both "Autoscreen on off" and "Gravity Screen" from Play store, which should provide this function. However, both apps force close when I run them. I suspect the watch only has simple gravity sensor but not the more sophisticated accelerometer and/or gyroscopic sensors.
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You might need to install an older or earlier version of "Autoscreen on off" and "Gravity Screen" if available, search for it via google. You won't get it from the default app store.
Earlier version might not force close.

timtop said:
i just received this watch yesterday, bought it through aliexpress (search "swatch k2" or "kingelon k2").
Review: http://www.gizmochina.com/2014/05/22/star-kingelon-review-of-smart-watch-android-os-4-2/
@@ pandawill also stock this now @@
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap3q_zizkym&feature=kp
this is a complete replica of the galaxy gear. Build quality is excellent, looks like they use all the same screen, shell and band (with camera) of the original gg. Sealed non-replacable battery in a relatively thin body (about 11mm, same as gg1).
It uses mtk6572, has 2g rom (about 1.1g usable), 512mb ram. Pity there is no microsd slot to expand the memory.
It has only one button (to switch on watch / wake screen, and be the home button). To navigate, swipe down from top = back, swipe up from bottom = menu.
There is a true android 4.2.2 device and not some cheapo phonewatch with java apps. There is access to developer's options and usb debugging (mine was set "on" already). This allows use of adb to install apks.
No there is no google play store, no built-in web browser or video player. I am sure you can install these apps manually (i dunno how to install the google play package and i dont intend to do that).
Yes there is wifi, bluetooth (connects to my bt keyboard and working) and gps (not tested).
I have not really tried out the apps, but they are pretty standard ones. I have also not tested the connection manager to the phone.
What i have done is so far are:
(1) root the watch - after many failures using mtk droid tools, framaroot, eroot etc., i came across the omate truesmart root tool:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2713183
this is the only root tool that works on this watch, probably because the ts (aw414) uses the same mtk6572 and android 4.2.2. I used root checker to make sure root is working.
(2) back up the firmware using mtk droid tools + sp flash tools - i followed this guide:
http://pinoyscreencast.net/how-to/get-full-rom-dump-stock-rom-mt6572-mediatek-smartphones-using-spft-mtk-droid-root-tools/
after the rom dump process went through smoothly, i tried to reload the backup firmware: All the different parts of the firmware are there except "uboot.img". The author of the above guide also mentioned this file was missing, but he found out that it was renamed to something else. In my rom dump, there is no additional file which is unaccounted for and might be the image file. I dunno if you absolutely need this "uboot.img" to unbrick the watch.
Conclusion:
This is a great find!! Excellent build quality, lightyears ahead of zgpax and smartq zwatch. The hardware is similar to the omate truesmart / inwatch z, except it is 2g rom / 512 ram. I can live with this for the price of < usd 100.
You should go and buy this watch now because it is going to sell like hot potatoes. I am not going to test all the apps or answer questions about them, because they should work the same as omate ts.
I am not a developer so dont ask me to do this and that cuz i dont know how to. I only back up the firmware in case i screw the watch up.
Hope that someone more knowledgeable would buy this watch to tweak and develop it. Then you can ask him questions.
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i am very knowledgeable with this watch and i warn you all do not try this root he is tellING you that works and iT very well might but the risk is exetremely high unless your a dev and will soft brick you phone even possibly hard brick please wait for a experienced dev makes a root tool and
ps if you soft bricked your watch doing this root
adb into your watch an erase cache and reboot

coolkid893 said:
i am very knowledgeable with this watch and i warn you all do not try this root he is tellING you that works and iT very well might but the risk is exetremely high unless your a dev and will soft brick you phone even possibly hard brick please wait for a experienced dev makes a root tool and
ps if you soft bricked your watch doing this root
adb into your watch an erase cache and reboot
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I lost root after doing factory reset, and I could not regain root using the same method (Omate Truesmart root tool).
However, a friend gave me a tip about this chinese root tool called Kingroot. It is very successful in rooting most if not all chinese phones particularly those using Mediatek chips.
It installs its own version of superuser called kinguser, and its own version of su binaries. I thought what the heck lets give it a try, and it rooted the watch on the first run, and has no problem since.
Kingroot download page (Google translate) - choose "Kingroot PC ..." version
The program is in chinese. Installation was full of funky unreadable characters but most of the responses eg yes / no are the highlighted buttons. After installation, there is only one button to press. Just like all other one-click root programs, enable USB debugging on the watch, plug into USB cable and click the button, and it will do it all for you. Your watch should have rebooted when the process finishes.

coolkid893 said:
i am very knowledgeable with this watch and i warn you all do not try this root he is tellING you that works and iT very well might but the risk is exetremely high unless your a dev and will soft brick you phone even possibly hard brick please wait for a experienced dev makes a root tool and
ps if you soft bricked your watch doing this root
adb into your watch an erase cache and reboot
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Just ordered one of these. any tips tricks or advice would be appreciated
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coolkid893 said:
i have this watch i just installed google search .apk and use the voice typing on search bars it doesnt always work but most of the time it does
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yes camera is nice (5mp)
photos are saved to watch but can very easy be beamed to phone with a click threw manager app (comes with watch) same with video
yes the screen is the same quality as of the gear it is ok outside
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full charge and with you not playing with it every min last about 6 hours or less give or take heavy use (Pandora running) under 5
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Hello,
How do you install google search on this watch
Thanks

bab1c said:
Hello,
How do you install google search on this watch
Thanks
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download the google search .apk (newest version) to phone (i like to use the download folder in phone its makes it easyer to find in phone) with your phone open the smanager app use remote file manager
click the three white dots at the top right click send file select sdcard0 then find were you placed the google search.apk (in my case i told it to go to teh download folder) in your phone
when you find the apk click it it will bluetooth transfer the apk to your watch when it is done
Part 2 go into your watch opens apps look for file manager in watch click phone storage look for were you put the search apk (remember i used the download folder) then click the apk then it will prompt you to install app click install the there you go
p.s dont install every app you see because some apps will crash the watch even popular apps (mostly apps that look at your contacts these apps really screw the watch up) skype works but contacts in watch will no longer work once installed (untill you uninstall)gmail works chrome works google maps works (do not turn on gps you can only look at the maps you can not do a gps search with google maps) it will crash the watch gps function is kinda of a joke in this watch
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in watch under dev options turn on usb debugging
unplug then replug in the watch to pc it will ask to turn on usb storage click it then the watch files will pop up on the pc drag the apks to the watch then just follow
part 2
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akira712 said:
Just ordered one of these. any tips tricks or advice would be appreciated
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yes dont try to root it its pointless at this point and risky
install google search apk it is the only app that comes close to a keyboard that can work in this watch
do not leave wifi on in watch if your not using wifi it will kill the watch very fast
i know when you first get it its a new toy and your gonna play with it for awhile but they ship the watch completely dead so let it fully charger before you play and remember if you try to use this watch as a extra android device to browse the web or emails 30 times a day and not just as a watch it will only last about 4 hours if that

If anyone wants to type on a field on the swatch, when you are on it , on the swatch manager on the phone will open a window to type on the phone keyboard , it is not necesary to have a keyboard on the swatch

doner03 said:
If anyone wants to type on a field on the swatch, when you are on it , on the swatch manager on the phone will open a window to type on the phone keyboard , it is not necesary to have a keyboard on the swatch
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lol ya we know that but its a pain in the a** were talking about a keyboard in the watch

Can anyone verify this? Kingo root? I've tried everything frama root can't get to the method button Idk if it's DPI or what.
Major mayhem works perfect. Couldn't connect moga pro had idea if I could use hid mode that I could get the methods no luck.
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So I fount a ton of interesting things about it I got it rooted and it appears to already have google framework just missing play store and and input the build prop also has a lot turned off anyone tried this? I hate to break but I even fount the time format and I believe it be changed from 24 to 12
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[Q] School trying to monitor device.

My school just got a new WIFI system that requires us to log in with our usernames. For a lot of people it doesn't work with their devices. But for idevices they want to install a profile to monitor your phone or ipad. My device still won't connect and I'm sure they will want to take my phone for a while and set it up for WIFI. Is there a way I can track what they have done after they do it just in case? Because with android being so open to doing what you want im sure they will install something so that they can see my device. It wont let me post images sp go to these links for acreenshots . imgur.com/ccZhnRl imgur.com/I01bbg6

Singularity_iOS said:
My school just got a new WIFI system that requires us to log in with our usernames. For a lot of people it doesn't work with their devices. But for idevices they want to install a profile to monitor your phone or ipad. My device still won't connect and I'm sure they will want to take my phone for a while and set it up for WIFI. Is there a way I can track what they have done after they do it just in case? Because with android being so open to doing what you want im sure they will install something so that they can see my device. It wont let me post images sp go to these links for acreenshots . imgur.com/ccZhnRl imgur.com/I01bbg6
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You can always use Catlog to see what's happening in your logcat. Or even use one of the TeamViewer apps to watch your screen while they do it. If you have a custom ROM you could screen record and if they turn that off you have right to take it back.

nicholaschum said:
You can always use Catlog to see what's happening in your logcat. Or even use one of the TeamViewer apps to watch your screen while they do it. If you have a custom ROM you could screen record and if they turn that off you have right to take it back.
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I'll try those. I just dont want them installing any software that might be hidden somewhere in the settings app or something. I was practically the only person who read that it says they want to monitor the device. Everyone basically blindly accepted it all. No body reads anything anymore...
But the instructions they gave are for iOS only so, thats why im sure they will want to take my phone for a while.

Need some help to customize Chinese Smartwatch Call Feature

Hi
I have a FitCloudPro App based Chinese smart watch probably called LA23 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004403438987.html) . Here I'm not getting an option to Transfer calls from Watch to phone, once picked up on the watch.
Scenario:
I use BT earphones and smartwatch all the time, but whenever a call comes and I receive on my smartwatch it never transfer to my earbuds until I switch it manually. (Ps. there is no setting on watch to transfer a call to watch.)
Current Settings:
Watch connected to smartwatch and Earbuds are connected to same phone.
Watch Media audio and mode is on.
Condition:
On a bike/at gym it is problematic when a call comes to phone, I want to transfer this call to phone from smartwatch so that I can use my earbuds to talk.
Is there any way to do it?
when a call comes I can receive on watch but when I press the button of my watch it can transfer to my phone?
It will be a great help if you can solve.
Thanks a lot in advance!
Mayank

it's not a watch issue. application is an arbitrator. watch only sends info to app about your action. while app are route the streams.
it's possible if you'll write your own app or you'll find compatible app with disired functional. and seem a first more feasible.

vxsw said:
it's not a watch issue. application is an arbitrator. watch only sends info to app about your action. while app are route the streams.
it's possible if you'll write your own app or you'll find compatible app with disired functional. and seem a first more feasible.
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Hi, thanks for you reply!
I'm not much technical to code my own app.
Although I have read your another thread about the LA21, and this is the same brand watch called LA23.
If you have some suggestions about to code an App as you understand this watch mode deeply or can you suggest me an App that have this call functionality?
it would be much helpful!
thanks

Mayannk said:
Although I have read your another thread about the LA21, and this is the same brand watch called LA23.
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perhaps it was a la10. I had this model and had make few tools for it, but it's a complettely different. la10 is a very easy in program part. la23 looks like my new watch - dm50. at least it have an identical chip (RealtekRTL8763EW), similar functions and fitcloud pro as a companion app.
it's a way harder. as in app part, as in watch face format. I try to learn it, but on watch face format investigation yet.
Mayannk said:
If you have some suggestions about to code an App as you understand this watch mode deeply or can you suggest me an App that have this call functionality?
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I'm not a programmer (even didn't know about kotlin a half year ago), so it's a bit hard for me too.
so if a la23 similar as a dm50, I think I can't reassure you. it's not treat as usual "medical device". it have a dual connection mode. and audio part defines as a wireless headset. you can see it in bt devices in phone settings. so as I understood it's not so often feature for smartwatches and in this case, I don't think what you can find any compatible app.
"ble-starter" is a very good point for beginning, but evet this need much reworking.

vxsw said:
perhaps it was a la10. I had this model and had make few tools for it, but it's a complettely different. la10 is a very easy in program part. la23 looks like my new watch - dm50. at least it have an identical chip (RealtekRTL8763EW), similar functions and fitcloud pro as a companion app.
it's a way harder. as in app part, as in watch face format. I try to learn it, but on watch face format investigation yet.
I'm not a programmer (even didn't know about kotlin a half year ago), so it's a bit hard for me too.
so if a la23 similar as a dm50, I think I can't reassure you. it's not treat as usual "medical device". it have a dual connection mode. and audio part defines as a wireless headset. you can see it in bt devices in phone settings. so as I understood it's not so often feature for smartwatches and in this case, I don't think what you can find any compatible app.
"ble-starter" is a very good point for beginning, but evet this need much reworking.
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Thanks for your response!
Yes, you are right it has 2 bluetooth connection for call BT3.0 and notification BT5.2.
I'm trying to install Ble_starter apk as you attached in your LA10 thread. But its not installing on my phone.
I'm using RogPhone2.

Mayannk said:
I'm trying to install Ble_starter apk
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may be must have an another target platform on compilation. but anyway, it would not work with this device. it have an another type of authorization (with confirmation). la10 allow to connect automatically without confirm. it required much reworking.
btw, may be more than enough to find app what would just force select device to talk? seems it's more easy way to solve your problem.

vxsw said:
may be must have an another target platform on compilation. but anyway, it would not work with this device. it have an another type of authorization (with confirmation). la10 allow to connect automatically without confirm. it required much reworking.
btw, may be more than enough to find app what would just force select device to talk? seems it's more easy way to solve your problem.
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Okay, thanks
I'll try this to find first.