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I have purchased an Xtrons PF75ATTA. As I understand this information is some what useless so other information includes (MCU Version: MTCD_GS_V1.75_1 and Build Number: rk3188).
As I am sure most owners of similar headunits find even basic technical support is some what limited. So to my question
On the back of the unit I have a 8 pin connector titled D: split machine 3 ipod. In the factory settings it says ipod = yes. and there is an ipod app as part of the stock rom.
xtrons tell me the unit doesn't support ipod but I get the impression that is not the end of it. The back of the unit looks identical to other units and the cable for a pimpkin hu device looks like the cable I need (Unfortunately I am to much of a noob to be trusted to post links at the moment). So I guess my questions are as follows
1. Does anyone else have a unit which specifies it doesn't support Ipod yet has ports for it (other than USB)
2. Has anyone successfully got this working?
3. If so where did you get your cable from or did you make it?
4. If you made it what were the pinouts?
Thanks

i could never get an iPod to work right on my Joying and when I posted on the Joying forum, seemed like no one else could get it to work either.
Prior to getting the Joying, I was emailing with RoadNavi.com's support about the S160 series, and they also said their units didn't really work with an iPod

CadillacMike said:
i could never get an iPod to work right on my Joying and when I posted on the Joying forum, seemed like no one else could get it to work either.
Prior to getting the Joying, I was emailing with RoadNavi.com's support about the S160 series, and they also said their units didn't really work with an iPod
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With your joying did you have a specific ipod cable with ipod connector on one end and proprietary connector on the other end or were you using a standard ipod to usb connector and plugging it into the usb port? This can't be that difficult to do. My old Parrot Asteroid did it with no problems.

i used an iPod Classic with a 30 pin connector. I had a 30 pin to USB cord that worked fine in 2 different cars. I tried that on both the USB cords with no luck.
Road Navi does have an iPod specific plug and cable, but they said it didn't work right either

Yes, I can understand why a standard ipod 30 pins usb connector may not work. Can anyone share there experiences with a hui fei unit with dedicated ipod port and cable. Does it work as expected?

chammock said:
Yes, I can understand why a standard ipod 30 pins usb connector may not work. Can anyone share there experiences with a hui fei unit with dedicated ipod port and cable. Does it work as expected?
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From what I have researched so far :- (Feel free to add or correct me) -
Standard IPOD Classic 6th gen works fine with the current Honda head units, which are still in the dark ages and running a Honda version of Android 6. !! (heavily LOCKED down so that nothing can be added with rooting)
Same device does NOT run on a Eonon GA2170B, running Android 8, even though the IPOD app is pre-installed, even when IPOD support that is turned off by default in Factory setting, is turned back on.
Turning on Ipod support still does allow Ipod Classic 6th gen to communicate with the installed Ipod App.
From what I have read, this is because the Eonon GA2170B is Android 8, and the "old" Ipod firmware is not compatible with the later Android versions.
There are Firmware alternatives for the Ipod (either permanent of via a dual boot), that claim to make the Ipods work with Android 8, with varying success, depending on the Model Ipod.
I have chosen to not mess with my Ipod, but rather to copy all its music onto a Mico SD card (or USB stick), and then use that in the Eonon unit with a suitable player, that can select Title, Album, Song, Artist from the Mp3's meta data.
Some many advantages of this are:
(a) Music is always in the Car,
(b) Ipod is NOT in the Car, getting HOT (or stolen)
(c) No need to worry about charging the Ipod.
(d) Far easier to add additional music (ITunes sucks )
I did find an OLD IPOD emulation Player app, that had a user Interface looking like the Classic Apple Ipod UI, but it was no longer on the Play Store, and when I got it from the author's website (5+ year old ), it also did not run on the Eonon Androis 8 unit.
BTW: My Eonon GA2170B is advertised as having 3 USB ports, but in fact it has 4 !
1 standard USB Port on the Back = USB 1
2 additional ports on a plug in cable to back = USB 2 & USB 3
1 Port on the front ( next to the front Mini SD port) USB 4
So, plenty of Ports to add USB storage devices with Music on them !!

USB Synchronous and Asynchronous

Hi,
I am having a hard time trying to get a couple of USB devices to work properly on my headunit. One is a USB CarPlay dongle, and the other is an OTA tv tuner. Both USB devices get recognized by the headunit, however in the case of the first, it never gets passed a connection state where the dongle starts talking to the application. In case of the second, the OTA never finds TV stations after doing a complete scan.
USB devices like keyboards, mice, USB flash drives, even a webcam work fine. I contacted the manufacturer and they said they only support USB synchronous which may be the reason these devices can't work properly.
The unit is an Eonon GA7157 with the Allwinner R16 1.6GHz Cortex A7 Quad-Core CPU.
Questions:
Is it possible this is a valid claim?
My unit is rooted, can USB asynchronous be enabled via software?
I was also thinking this could be an OTG wiring issue, what do you think? I say so because the only way I could get the CarPlay dongle to work on my Samsung Tablet A, was with an OTG cable. A straight connector presented the same symptoms.
I am not too experienced with Android, so please be gentle

He was feeding you a load of horse manure.
Either that, or he meant something entirely different by "USB synchronous".
Precisely what do you mean by "get recognized by the headunit"?
What exactly *are* these two devices you are trying to use?
What *drivers* do they use?
Have you confirmed that the kernel is enumerating the devices?
Have you confirmed that the kernel is binding the proper drivers to them?
Have you confirmed that Android knows how to deal with the interfaces that the drivers are providing for these devices?
Have you confirmed that the interface permissions are such that a user application will be able to access it?
An OTG cable does two things;
1) It reverses the gender of the connector,
2) It sends a signal to the phone/tablet/whatever that it should switch its USB port from slave mode to host mode.
Nothing else.

Thanks for the tips. By recognize I mean that Android prompts me to confirm opening the accompanying apps when I plug in these devices to the USB port. E.g. I plug in the CarPlay dongle, Android prompts: do you want use Zbox (App) every time you use this device (Cancel or OK); I press OK and then the App stays in trying to connect mode forever.
The manufacturer has locked down USB debugging. Do you know of any apps (rooted or not) that will give me the information you pointed out?
thanks

It is unlikely that USB debugging is "locked down". More likely, its just because your USB device port is stuck perpetually in "host" mode on the wrong side of a USB hub, and therefore you can't connect to it. Try connecting to adb over IP instead.
I've never heard of any USB device on Android causing any kind of popup. That is very strange. Is it possible that the popup is being created by the program, i.e. "zbox"? Its possible that the system is sending a broadcast upon device enumeration, but the device access permissions are either wrong, or the kernel doesn't have the proper driver available.

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It is unlikely that USB debugging is "locked down". More likely, its just because your USB device port is stuck perpetually in "host" mode on the wrong side of a USB hub, and therefore you can't connect to it. Try connecting to adb over IP instead.
I've never heard of any USB device on Android causing any kind of popup. That is very strange. Is it possible that the popup is being created by the program, i.e. "zbox"? Its possible that the system is sending a broadcast upon device enumeration, but the device access permissions are either wrong, or the kernel doesn't have the proper driver available.
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Thanks again. I am including some pictures that may help explain the problem a little better. As far as the passcode, from what I can tell this unit has 3. One for the Advanced Car Settings, Developer Settings, and USB Debugging. The first 2 I found on another forum and are 123456 and the other 7890. The USB Debugging is an alphanumeric string which I haven't found anywhere, and the manufacturer refuses to release it. When I toggle the USB debugging on, I get prompted to input the passcode. I have tried a few codes but no go, the USB debugging switch goes back to the off position.
The other pictures show the USB port capabilities of the headunit. The unit has 3 USB ports: one is taken by the WiFi module, the other by a dashcam, and the remaining one is open and where I plugged in the CarPlay dongle. There is also another picture of the USB CarPlay dongle device plugged in and listed as Mass Storage Gadget. The dongle does have internal storage of a few MBs.
Finally, I include a picture of the application Zbox. This is the latest version and it starts automatically when I plug in the USB CarPlay dongle.

Well, I made some progress with the password for the USB debugging switch. To summarize:
Car Settings: 123456
Developer Options: 7890
USB Debugging: [email protected]
Now I just need to figure out how to make the USB port work properly. Any ideas? I have USB debugging access and the device is rooted.

Well according to your second-last picture, the device is being detected as UMS (Usb Mass Storage). I.e., like a usb flash disk.
VIDID of 0x0525:0xA4A5 looks to be an e-ink tablet called "Pocketbook Pro 903".
The problem may be that your "carplay dongle" is masquerading as something it isn't.

Well, the VIDID could be the problem; however, this same CarPlay dongle works fine on 2 other Android devices; moreover, a USB OTA tuner behaves the same way, meaning it does not work on the headunit but does on remix and a tablet.

Well guys, this unit is going back to the seller. After playing with it and not getting anywhere with customization and customer service, it’s out the door.
I am getting an xtron octacore px5 unit. It looks like these head units have better developer support.

Do you have the English version of 3.0 you can post?

bass_rock said:
Do you have the English version of 3.0 you can post?
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You mean the Zbox firmware and software? if so, pm me, and I'll forward it to you.

isisyodin said:
You mean the Zbox firmware and software? if so, pm me, and I'll forward it to you.
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Yea, and actually I was able to use the version on their site. It was al in English when I installed it and I’m now on version 3.0.2

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Yea, and actually I was able to use the version on their site. It was al in English when I installed it and I’m now on version 3.0.2
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Whats new on 3.0.2 compared to 3.0.0? Do you know what was updated?

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Whats new on 3.0.2 compared to 3.0.0? Do you know what was updated?
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According to Google Translate:
1. Optimize U disk upgrade USB recognition rate is higher
2. Optimize the phone connection, mobile phone recognition rate is better
3.carlife in the help page to add download guide
I was able to get it from here: https://translate.google.com/transl...=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://zjinnova.com&edit-text=

bass_rock said:
According to Google Translate:
1. Optimize U disk upgrade USB recognition rate is higher
2. Optimize the phone connection, mobile phone recognition rate is better
3.carlife in the help page to add download guide
I was able to get it from here: https://translate.google.com/transl...=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://zjinnova.com&edit-text=
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My new Xtrons recognizes the Zbox dongle very quickly. I think it is now as quick as some of the dedicated Alpine and Pioneer units.
As far as software, crisper icons and bypassing the connection window would be nice option. It should only display when a problem occurs. One thing that is flimsy is the USB connector but no software upgrade will fix it. I am considering opening it up and soldering a better connector. Also, heat dissipation is an issue. It needs a heatsink. I may just add one when I crack it open.
I am looking forward to the next iteration with wireless CarPlay. Someday.

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My new Xtrons recognizes the Zbox dongle very quickly. I think it is now as quick as some of the dedicated Alpine and Pioneer units.
As far as software, crisper icons and bypassing the connection window would be nice option. It should only display when a problem occurs. One thing that is flimsy is the USB connector but no software upgrade will fix it. I am considering opening it up and soldering a better connector. Also, heat dissipation is an issue. It needs a heatsink. I may just add one when I crack it open.
I am looking forward to the next iteration with wireless CarPlay. Someday.
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Yea the update definitely enhanced it a lot. I used to have a pioneer and it feels close to the same now.

bass_rock said:
Yea the update definitely enhanced it a lot. I used to have a pioneer and it feels close to the same now.
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Prior to 3.0.2, what firmware/software where you running?

Transfer files by USB between Android smartphone and Android head unit.

Hi.
How can I transfer files between my smartphone and my Android Head Unit?
I thought the by USB would be the best choice, but I connected my smartphone by USB and I'm not able to see the smartphone files in the Android Head Unit.
My Android head unit is a Asottu CXKLL179060 that is a Allwinner T8 Otca core.
Thanks

I been trying to figure this out today but no luck as yet, seems like it should be a simple thing to do, but tried various file managers and neither devices seem to be able to find the others storage.

davelangmaid said:
I been trying to figure this out today but no luck as yet, seems like it should be a simple thing to do, but tried various file managers and neither devices seem to be able to find the others storage.
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Yes, I don't know how to enable the Android Head Unit to recognize the smartphone by USB, or another method, and be able to access the files of the smartphone.
I can't download files from my house's wifi to the Android Head Unit. The Android Head Unit recognize my house's wifi but indicates a low reception. The wifi receiver of the Android Head Unit probably have a low reception or, as the wifi receiver of the Android Head Unit is inside the car panel , it probably decrease the Android Head Unit wifi reception.

Got it working today by usb, used this Paragon ExFAT NTFS USB Android, apk in playstore.

davelangmaid said:
Got it working today by usb, used this Paragon ExFAT NTFS USB Android, apk in playstore.
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This one?: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.paragon.tcplugins_ntfs_ro

Yeah that's it, moved some albums earlier and was very quick, only problem is now that app starts every time the stereo turns on, think it's trying to read my 4g dongle though. May be ok for you.

davelangmaid said:
Yeah that's it, moved some albums earlier and was very quick, only problem is now that app starts every time the stereo turns on, think it's trying to read my 4g dongle though. May be ok for you.
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Does It need to buy the app to it works? I installed the free version and it's not working. I installed the app in the Android Head Unit, connected the smartphone in the Android Head Unit and in the Paragon app shows the message "Connect USB to the Device"

No need to buy it, should be able to select file manger from symbol of folder down bottom right. When you get to screen with a filing cabinet on it, go to symbol in top right with 3 horizontal lines on it. This should allow you to scroll down and see your device.

OKNAVI Global - TS10 6/128GB USB Issues

Hi All,
I have a TS10 6/128GB head unit. I am having issues with my USB ports when I plug in my phone my phone charges but i cannot get android auto or my phone to connect with the head unit.
I have tried USB debugging - anyone have any idea? Would be much appreciated.
I am not getting any help from Ali express seller

Investforthenest said:
Hi All,
I have a TS10 6/128GB head unit. I am having issues with my USB ports when I plug in my phone my phone charges but i cannot get android auto or my phone to connect with the head unit.
I have tried USB debugging - anyone have any idea? Would be much appreciated.
I am not getting any help from Ali express seller
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Try connect to 6 pin usb port.. turn on usb debugging and then restart you hu.. after that android auto will instantly connected.. it works for me.. hope it will work for you too..

Danial555 said:
Try connect to 6 pin usb port.. turn on usb debugging and then restart you hu.. after that android auto will instantly connected.. it works for me.. hope it will work for you too..
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You mean open the head unit and connect the USB cable to a different USB port on the back of the unit? Or you mean something else? Thanks

maometto75 said:
You mean open the head unit and connect the USB cable to a different USB port on the back of the unit? Or you mean something else? Thanks
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No, my device (OKNAVI TS10 6+128) and probably every other are supplied with 2 USB cables: 6 and 4 pin. He suggests you to check the one that has 6pin connector plugged to the device.

I also got a problem with my head unit. The device can't see anything plugged to the USB port after it wakes up. What helps in this case is a restart of the device. Everything works until at some point of wake up and sleep cycle it hangs up. Of course I run on the newest firmware and MCU drivers.

Hi, I had to restore the factory settings, after that all the applications on navigation are gone. I can't even install anything because the play store app is gone too. What now? How should I install play store app now ?

hello, I have a window radio vi QT10 4 / 32gb I reset it to the factory settings because the fm radio icon disappeared and I could not find it, now I do not have the google play icon and when I downloaded the google play apk and I want to install it, it pops up that my radio does not support it please contact the manufacturer in the program, but in China they have a new year and holidays, so there is no one to help me. in deeper settings it is forced to stop and close the application as if it was installed but hidden somewhere, please help I bought the radio a week ago but I have no idea how to fix it, does anyone have a link to the new software for this radio and android 11, can it work? MCU update is looking all the time and nothing is happening so I don't know how to update it either.

did anyone come up with the solution? The same happens to me

Am I wrong in assuming the UIS8581a (sc9863a) is an FYT head unit?

Hi,
I'm sorry if this is the wrong place, but I've been scouring these forums trying to solve my 10.25 8/128 SPRD 8581a problem. The only thing I really want to do, is attach an OBD2 reader for torque. I have a 2014 F22 BMW, and DeepObd can read from my wifi enet adapter, but torque cannot! I'd prefer to have a USB adapter, and it shows the option of auto opening torque, and I can select the adapter, but it never connects!
I've downloaded several scripts and apps for this platform, and none of the work, and say it's not an FYT unit, but everything I've seen in countless forum posts, is that it should be? I hope someone can help me out, I'm at my wits end.

Not (FYT) requested moderator move to (Android head-units) forum.
I haven't seen this device type, looks like an odd ball

marchnz said:
Not (FYT) requested moderator move to (Android head-units) forum.
I haven't seen this device type, looks like an odd ball
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It's not a FYT but it's a genuine Android 12 on SDK 31. I haven't seen that either yet.

surfer63 said:
It's not a FYT but it's a genuine Android 12 on SDK 31. I haven't seen that either yet.
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That's why I'm so confused as well! I thought they were all fake android 10, so this is extremely weird. There's a 1.6gb update.zip in the head unit, should I upload it so you guys can check it out?

simonb123 said:
That's why I'm so confused as well! I thought they were all fake android 10, so this is extremely weird. There's a 1.6gb update.zip in the head unit, should I upload it so you guys can check it out?
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It is defintely not a FYT so it is no use at all to us. But thanks anyway.

surfer63 said:
It is defintely not a FYT so it is no use at all to us. But thanks anyway.
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Ok

Post a link to where you bought it, at least we can compare the features to an FYT. With the known issues of the FYT and the MCTD it would be useful to compare a 3rd option for the next upgrade or faulty unit replacement. For now this could be moved to the Android General section or once you have the link start a new thread.
Android Head-Units
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https://a.aliexpress.com/_mLyF3kO
Thought it was a pretty good deal for $350 shipped

Looks like their 12.3" screen is used on just a few selected models like BMW and customised, for my Subaru its a bog standard FYT they supply. Pity as I doubt they will have an incentive to cover the FYT standard offering.

kommando said:
Looks like their 12.3" screen is used on just a few selected models like BMW and customised, for my Subaru its a bog standard FYT they supply. Pity as I doubt they will have an incentive to cover the FYT standard offering.
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Damn shame. All I want is for torque to show my gauges. It's so frustrating that it recognizes the USB OBD2 scanner, but it refuses to connect. I'm able to set it in host mode. My enet wifi adapter only works in one app, which of course isn't torque. Guess I'm going to attempt some adb commands. It says it's got Bluetooth 5.0, but of course it only broadcasts its own name.

No much help for you possibly but I bought a cheap USB OBD unit, it works with my FYT but only after using a cable with an OTG enabled phone adapter added on the end, I then needed to add another adaptor micro USB to a full USB male plug so it would plug into the FYT. Until the OTG adapter was added I could connect using Torque Pro but could not read any custom PID's. So worth a try and adding OTG to your cable as a stab in the dark.
Torque Pro say you need OTG for it to connect properly to a USB OBD2.

kommando said:
No much help for you possibly but I bought a cheap USB OBD unit, it works with my FYT but only after using a cable with an OTG enabled phone adapter added on the end, I then needed to add another adaptor micro USB to a full USB male plug so it would plug into the FYT. Until the OTG adapter was added I could connect using Torque Pro but could not read any custom PID's. So worth a try and adding OTG to your cable as a stab in the dark.
Torque Pro say you need OTG for it to connect properly to a USB OBD2.
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Interesting, I'll look into it. Thanks!

Well, getting into recovery was pretty easy through adb, I just have no clue what to do with it, lol.

simonb123 said:
That's why I'm so confused as well! I thought they were all fake android 10, so this is extremely weird. There's a 1.6gb update.zip in the head unit, should I upload it so you guys can check it out?
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What's funny is that it says it's rooted already. I can send command and get SU instantly over wifi adb when I enable USB debugging. I can even get into fastboot/recovery no problem, I just don't know what to do after that. I pulled some config files from the unit about the bluetooth, and I'm 99% sure it can be edited to link with a bluetooth OBD, you just have to edit the address of your paired phone to the OBD in the config. I'll put it up here to show what I mean. I pulled these from data/com.autochips.bluetooth. I have gotten an ELM327 usb to hookup to USB 2 on the HU, and it keeps its connection, I made a thread about it.

simonb123 said:
That's why I'm so confused as well! I thought they were all fake android 10, so this is extremely weird. There's a 1.6gb update.zip in the head unit, should I upload it so you guys can check it out?
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simonb123 said:
What's funny is that it says it's rooted already. I can send command and get SU instantly over wifi adb when I enable USB debugging. I can even get into fastboot/recovery no problem, I just don't know what to do after that. I pulled some config files from the unit about the bluetooth, and I'm 99% sure it can be edited to link with a bluetooth OBD, you just have to edit the address of your paired phone to the OBD in the config. I'll put it up here to show what I mean. I pulled these from data/com.autochips.bluetooth. I have gotten an ELM327 usb to hookup to USB 2 on the HU, and it keeps its connection, I made a thread about it.
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I have the same unit, so you actually added su and can use anything with root? Viper4android would be awesome