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There have been a few amateur comparisons posted here in this thread, which frankly aren't very accurate or well done, nor are the small 1-page or even 1 paragraph reviews of the camera buried inside the overall phone review on many tech media websites. So I found a much more professional and also the most in depth camera shootout on the web at this time. Unlike what some would have you believe, the Xperia Z1 possesses one of the highest scoring smartphone cameras. There were so many photos taken in this extensive review that I'm not even going to try reproducing them all here. What I will do is post Phonearena's rankings for each category and leave it to you to hit up this link for the full article
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Outdoors at night time were a disappointment, so in this case I would suggest NOT using Superior Auto mode for those shots, as many others have suggested. Try Manual, 8MP, auto ISO, -1 to -2 ev
For a more professional touch I went to one of the most credible photography sites and got their take on the Z1 Camera comparisons. You can read the full shootout here. They were very critical of all tested phones, however the Z1 again did very well on this site:
In our tests the Nokia Lumia 1020 arguably offers the best all-around image quality. It captures great detail in good light and its Xenon flash provides excellent performance in very dim light situations. There is a lot of luminance noise in its high-ISO output but chroma noise is well under control and the very large 38MP image files mean that at normal viewing and printing sizes noise becomes much less visible.
If you only want to share your pictures online you can also set the device to only save 5MP images and conserve space in the phone's internal memory. Thanks to Nokia's clever downsampling algorithms the lower resolution images are comparatively clean even at higher ISOs and still show good detail. They might look a little oversharpened for some people's taste though.
The 1020 only struggled in our night shot. We took 30 shots with the Nokia but the shutter speed in such a dark environment was just too slow to get even a single 100% sharp image. In those situations we recommend upping the ISO manually in order to achieve a faster shutter speed. As we've already pointed out in our full review, the Nokia's performance can occasionally feel a little sluggish.
The Sony Xperia Z1 also offers very high resolution results, but suffers from noise and artifacts at all ISO settings. This is only really visible at large magnifications though and the Sony's good exposure and usually pleasant color response make it a good alternative for those who only share their pictures online at smaller resolutions. Another advantage of the Sony is that thanks to its responsiveness and dedicated shutter button, in terms of operations it comes as close to a compact camera as a smartphone can get.
The LG G2's image quality is not quite on the same level as the Nokia's and Sony's. Its efficient optical image stabilization helps keep things very steady in low light but very strong noise reduction is applied at all ISO levels and its auto white balance tends to capture slightly cool colors. Like the Sony, its LED flash cannot compete with the much more powerful units on the Nokia and Samsung. There's nothing wrong with the LG's camera but its image quality is simply not up there with the best of the 2013 smartphone generation.
Despite its 1/2.3 sensor the Samsung Galaxy S4 Zoom doesn't capture any more detail than the current generation of smartphones. In fact, the lens of our test unit appeared to be slightly soft at its wide angle setting. However, the Samsung is worth a look for those mobile photographer who want a powerful flash and an optical zoom
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Unlike the Phonearena comparisons, in this case the Z1 took much nicer outdoor night time photos.
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Surprising that G2 would do better than Z1 in low light.
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This one needs serious work from Sony. Samsung is the king when it comes to panorama.
omnius1 said:
Outdoors at night time were a disappointment, so in this case I would suggest NOT using Superior Auto mode for those shots, as many others have suggested. Try Manual, 8MP, auto ISO, -1 to -2 ev
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You mean that all these photos were taken with SA ?
This isn't a camera shootout. Its a shootout over how well the auto program works in each phone. If that's in various stages of maturity then this review is not representative. There are no reference shots so how do we know which camer got it right or over exposed/underexposed.
Apple won't allow access to ISO in the api, you cannot set ISO in an iphone.
From the article..
Focal length of Htc one - 28mm
focal length of Z1 - 27mm
hmm, Z1 must be doing some serious cropping here.
Does not distinguish between 2-axis OIS vs 3-axs OIS.
One Twelve said:
This one needs serious work from Sony. Samsung is the king when it comes to panorama.
You mean that all these photos were taken with SA ?
This isn't a camera shootout. Its a shootout over how well the auto program works in each phone. If that's in various stages of maturity then this review is not representative. There are no reference shots so how do we know which camer got it right or over exposed/underexposed.
Apple won't allow access to ISO in the api, you cannot set ISO in an iphone.
From the article..
Focal length of Htc one - 28mm
focal length of Z1 - 27mm
hmm, Z1 must be doing some serious cropping here.
Does not distinguish between 2-axis OIS vs 3-axs OIS.
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Really? I think this is the most extensive comparison we can find so far on the web. I didn't pick apart the engineering specs behind it, but I think the photos they took with the Z1 looked fantastic against the competition. Which is what it's all about really. With the exception of the outdoor night and pano, I agree.
No they didn't have reference shots but they did take DSLR photos I think as well. However you have to read the article as well, where they do specifically mention which shots were closer in color and detail to the actual live scene.
However if you look at the night shots the digital camera review site took with it, his are actually pretty good in comparison.
Surprising that G2 would do better than Z1 in low light.
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I don't think it did, that was an outdoor night ranking, they posted a separate ranking for indoor low light
Thanks for sharing the phonearena link, I hadn't seen it
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omnius1 said:
Really? I think this is the most extensive comparison we can find so far on the web. I didn't pick apart the engineering specs behind it, but I think the photos they took with the Z1 looked fantastic against the competition. Which is what it's all about really.
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Original photos here
omnius1 said:
No they didn't have reference shots but they did take DSLR photos I think as well. However you have to read the article as well, where they do specifically mention which shots were closer in color and detail to the actual live scene.
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Read it now and i realise they DID provide reference shots with the panasonic lumix so this at least is better than other reviews i've seen.
omnius1 said:
I don't think it did, that was an outdoor night ranking, they posted a separate ranking for indoor low light
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The problem with auto is its quite variable. I think of it as a random sampling. Lumia has problems with white balance which can be set manually. The night time shots with lumia which has the slowest exposure of 4s should beat the competition. But if auto did not do it correct then the 1020 gets a low score.
The problem i have generally with these sorts of comparisons is it requires expert users of the cameras concerned to see the best the camera can provide. Auto is not going to do this. Auto will tell you that chances are your experience is going to be similar but then the sample size is small, so its 50-50. You might get better shots or worse than what is shown here.
In other words take this review along with others with a grain of salt
I don't view this review as gospel of course, but in lieu of any others, it's the more extensive than any others I've seen on the Web. I took it for what it's worth, which is to say that the Z1 camera performed quite a bit better than what some individual posters or bloggers would have you believe. Could it be better? Sure, there's always room for improvement. Is it still really good? It looks so.
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which firmware ? LG G2 better in low light ! its very very OverProcessed and Smoothed ...
Let's go to town on this one
omnius1 said:
Outdoors at night time were a disappointment, so in this case I would suggest NOT using Superior Auto mode for those shots, as many others have suggested. Try Manual, 8MP, auto ISO, -1 to -2 ev
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Church
LG (1/12s, ISO 800, 13MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/13s, ISO 400. 20MP, Auto)
The LG took a cleaner shot at twice the ISO as the Z1. Z1 in this review is using the latest .257 firmware.
The Z1 looks little over exposed. It's a pity they didn't take an 8MP as the noise would be less. Cannot see any camera shake here. ISO 200 might have been more clean.
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LG (Shutter speed & ISO unknown, 13MP, Auto) Since this one is more clear, i assume it was taken at a faster shutter speed.
Z1 (1/8s, ISO 400, 20MP, Auto).
Reference (2 sec, ISO 160, 15.9MP, Auto)
Obvious camera shake if you see the moneygram sign on the left. camera shake affects picture quality.
1020 (1/8, ISO 800, 38.2MP, Auto) This one is clear.
Intersection
LG (1/14, ISO 400, 13MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/20, ISO 500, 20MP, Auto)
No noticeable camera shake here. Z1 still looks over exposed. ISO 200 with little EV would have been better.
Building
LG (1/15, ISO 300, 20MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/32, ISO 320, 20MP, Auto)
These look pretty similar, Z1 could have done with ISO 200. Also a spot meter rather than centre-weighted in an area between light & dark could have helped.
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LG (shutter speed & ISO unknown, 13MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/8, ISO 400, 13, Auto)
Clear example where manual EV compensation would have brought out more details in both cameras and they could have used a lower ISO. So you can see how Auto can get it wrong some times. And scores averaged off auto will be equally flawed.
1020 (0.3s, ISO 4000,38.2MP, 17.2MB)
Reference (0.3s, ISO 1250, 15.9MP, 5.5MB, Low contrast, Manual WB)
It's curious why the LG dropped shutter & ISO info twice out of 4 pictures.
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Let's go to town on this one
Church
LG (1/12s, ISO 800, 13MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/13s, ISO 400. 20MP, Auto)
The LG took a cleaner shot at twice the ISO as the Z1. Z1 in this review is using the latest .257 firmware.
The Z1 looks little over exposed. It's a pity they didn't take an 8MP as the noise would be less. Cannot see any camera shake here. ISO 200 might have been more clean.
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LG (Shutter speed & ISO unknown, 13MP, Auto) Since this one is more clear, i assume it was taken at a faster shutter speed.
Z1 (1/8s, ISO 400, 20MP, Auto).
Reference (2 sec, ISO 160, 15.9MP, Auto)
Obvious camera shake if you see the moneygram sign on the left. camera shake affects picture quality.
1020 (1/8, ISO 800, 38.2MP, Auto) This one is clear.
Intersection
LG (1/14, ISO 400, 13MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/20, ISO 500, 20MP, Auto)
No noticeable camera shake here. Z1 still looks over exposed. ISO 200 with little EV would have been better.
Building
LG (1/15, ISO 300, 20MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/32, ISO 320, 20MP, Auto)
These look pretty similar, Z1 could have done with ISO 200. Also a spot meter rather than centre-weighted in an area between light & dark could have helped.
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LG (shutter speed & ISO unknown, 13MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/8, ISO 400, 13, Auto)
Clear example where manual EV compensation would have brought out more details in both cameras and they could have used a lower ISO. So you can see how Auto can get it wrong some times. And scores averaged off auto will be equally flawed.
1020 (0.3s, ISO 4000,38.2MP, 17.2MB)
Reference (0.3s, ISO 1250, 15.9MP, 5.5MB, Low contrast, Manual WB)
It's curious why the LG dropped shutter & ISO info twice out of 4 pictures.
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never seen such bad low light fotos from the z1 before ... sure you know what i mean cuz you know the pics i take from the flickr Set !
thats one photo just with manual and night scene ! i will not follow any photo comparisons from reviewers anyMORE !!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10985713943/in/set-72157637726566185
ashouhdy said:
never seen such bad low light fotos from the z1 before ... sure you know what i mean cuz you know the pics i take from the flickr Set !
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Exactly. Your photos are adequate proof of what a few tweaks here & there can do to overall picture quality, with any phone.
But nearly all your photos are 8MP. I found a couple at 20MP. People want to know why 20MP cannot do good shots if 1020 at 38.3MP can do it. But you can if people look at these two
20MP
8MP
The 8MP is correctly exposed, but if you used ISO 200 with the 20MP it also would have been the same.
Plus you use the slowest shutter speeds possible ie 0.8s going no faster than 0.3s. Other than the 1020 which can go as slow as 4s, none of the cameras reviewed can go slower than 0.3s. In this review the slowest shutter on the Z1 is 1/8 and they still got blur in one. So people will look at this review and think G2 can do better outdoors night shots than Z1
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Exactly. Your photos are adequate proof of what a few tweaks here & there can do to overall picture quality, with any phone.
But nearly all your photos are 8MP. I found a couple at 20MP. People want to know why 20MP cannot do good shots if 1020 at 38.3MP can do it. But you can if people look at these two
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8MP
The 8MP is correctly exposed, but if you used ISO 200 with the 20MP it also would have been the same.
Plus you use the slowest shutter speeds possible ie 0.8s going no faster than 0.3s. Other than the 1020 which can go as slow as 4s, none of the cameras reviewed can go slower than 0.3s. In this review the slowest shutter on the Z1 is 1/8 and they still got blur in one. So people will look at this review and think G2 can do better outdoors night shots than Z1
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its the night scene that puts the shutter to 1/8 ... Also i doubt the LG can get close to the low light performance of the Z1 Due to Sensor Size 1/2.3" vs 1/3"
And Yes the 20MP i guess its as if a RAW image ... but thats my sensation am not sure. Also i noticed that with 20MP the Bionz Procss. imaging Ship is Deactivated.
i Guess Sony Tweaked the Phone for the Optimium 8MP with Pixels Binning and the BionZ image ship.
the last pic i posted the FOG is amazingly clean ... believe me some Hand As Shot DigiCams will not capture the Fog that clean.
i will try to take some 20MP vs 8MP in other time
They did not use night mode in any shots. It was all auto for every camera. if auto was so good then why are these modes present in the camera in the first place. They are specialised presets for special situations. Auto cannot do it all (unless its iphone) that is why they are there.
Remember wezzel's laser shots, they were ISO 200 with +2EV.
(in theory) ISO 200 +2EV is like ISO 800 with 0EV. Not sure if its completely linear.
Difference is ISO 200 is fine grain whereas ISO 800 is more grainy.
One thing i notice in the first LG night shot, G2 is using ISO 800 but the shot is quite clear, I do not see much noise. Also in the last one the 1020 is using ISO 4000. Again very clear shot. If you try ISO 4000 with Z1 you will get an oil painting.
Clean low light shots with Z1 = low ISO + slow shutter speed (+ EV if necessary).
Z1 sensor cannot produce clean shots with high ISO. Which is a pity beause shutter speed will be much faster so chances of blur are much lower. The result is you got to work harder to get good shots with Z1 but when you do the others cannot match it, barring the 1020 ofc.
20MP jpg is not RAW its jpg.
RAW is TIFF ie no compression.
One Twelve said:
They did not use night mode in any shots. It was all auto for every camera. if auto was so good then why are these modes present in the camera in the first place. They are specialised presets for special situations. Auto cannot do it all (unless its iphone) that is why they are there.
Remember wezzel's laser shots, they were ISO 200 with +2EV.
(in theory) ISO 200 +2EV is like ISO 800 with 0EV. Not sure if its completely linear.
Difference is ISO 200 is fine grain whereas ISO 800 is more grainy.
One thing i notice in the first LG night shot, G2 is using ISO 800 but the shot is quite clear, I do not see much noise. Also in the last one the 1020 is using ISO 4000. Again very clear shot. If you try ISO 4000 with Z1 you will get an oil painting.
Clean low light shots with Z1 = low ISO + slow shutter speed (+ EV if necessary).
Z1 sensor cannot produce clean shots with high ISO. Which is a pity beause shutter speed will be much faster so chances of blur are much lower. The result is you got to work harder to get good shots with Z1 but when you do the others cannot match it, barring the 1020 ofc.
20MP jpg is not RAW its jpg.
RAW is TIFF ie no compression.
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Also the SA somtimes kicks the ISO up to 1600 with the night mode i've seen it many times. SA puts a night scene down beside a guy running (i guess it means hand held) the average is ISO 1600 with 1/8 exposure (the rail way photo in my set) and yes leads to blur free images as advertised.
Also did you noticed that the LG pics the over all scene is not bright just the Centre where it is meant to focus .. in contraversry the Z1 all around scene is much brighter the church photo is a good example.
if i tab to focus on the church i guess u could get similar results with lg
That's good review!
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They did not use night mode in any shots. It was all auto for every camera. if auto was so good then why are these modes present in the camera in the first place. They are specialised presets for special situations. Auto cannot do it all (unless its iphone) that is why they are there.
Remember wezzel's laser shots, they were ISO 200 with +2EV.
(in theory) ISO 200 +2EV is like ISO 800 with 0EV. Not sure if its completely linear.
Difference is ISO 200 is fine grain whereas ISO 800 is more grainy.
One thing i notice in the first LG night shot, G2 is using ISO 800 but the shot is quite clear, I do not see much noise. Also in the last one the 1020 is using ISO 4000. Again very clear shot. If you try ISO 4000 with Z1 you will get an oil painting.
Clean low light shots with Z1 = low ISO + slow shutter speed (+ EV if necessary).
Z1 sensor cannot produce clean shots with high ISO. Which is a pity beause shutter speed will be much faster so chances of blur are much lower. The result is you got to work harder to get good shots with Z1 but when you do the others cannot match it, barring the 1020 ofc.
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So basically what I take from this is that as long as you take the time to learn how to optimize the settings for certain scenes that auto superior doesn't handle well, we've got one of the best smartphone cameras available
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omnius1 said:
So basically what I take from this is that as long as you take the time to learn how to optimize the settings for certain scenes that auto superior doesn't handle well, we've got one of the best smartphone cameras available
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Yes but many will not be prepared to put in that effort.
Once you've driven 10,000 miles handling a car is second nature, almost reflexive.
Once you've taken over a 1000 photos the same applies with any phone camera. Ideally, with experience, you see a shot, know what exposure to use regardless of the lighting, click and get it right more times than not. This is a skill. People want to get it right with no skill. In good light you can get away with it, once the light dips it gets harder.
Phone cameras still do not help to get a good shot unlike dslrs. You have no clue what the sensor sees and decides to use for ISO/shutter speed, i wish it would display that info before taking the photo. What it thinks TTL (through the lens) is the best setting to use to get a properly exposed shot. So you take the shot, preview, tweak, try again until right. It could be easier.
There is no over-exposure warning. This is something i think should be possible with current tech. Its still too easy to overexpose in good light as well as low light with a well lit subject. Phone cameras by default, operate in aperture priority mode, cannot change aperture so they pick the right shutter speed/ISO to get the best shot. They choose wrong on occasion.
SCN modes is an attempt to fill that gap. Again these are presets that pick values from a given set given what the camera sees. These modes are supposed to be user-friendly but if you know what settings to use its much simpler to just use those and be done with it. Now you're thinking like a photographer with a dslr ergo know how to get the best shot with the device you have for a given subject's lighting.
The one thing that is still not possible is freezing motion in low light. That requires a sensor with low noise at higher ISO. But you can freeze motion to some extent if the subject is not more than 5 feet away with flash but that's about it.
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LG (Shutter speed & ISO unknown, 13MP, Auto) Since this one is more clear, i assume it was taken at a faster shutter speed.
Z1 (1/8s, ISO 400, 20MP, Auto).
Reference (2 sec, ISO 160, 15.9MP, Auto)
Obvious camera shake if you see the moneygram sign on the left. camera shake affects picture quality.
1020 (1/8, ISO 800, 38.2MP, Auto) This one is clear.
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LG (shutter speed & ISO unknown, 13MP, Auto)
Z1 (1/8, ISO 400, 13, Auto)
Clear example where manual EV compensation would have brought out more details in both cameras and they could have used a lower ISO. So you can see how Auto can get it wrong some times. And scores averaged off auto will be equally flawed.
1020 (0.3s, ISO 4000,38.2MP, 17.2MB)
Reference (0.3s, ISO 1250, 15.9MP, 5.5MB, Low contrast, Manual WB)
It's curious why the LG dropped shutter & ISO info twice out of 4 pictures.
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Think i found the reason why the G2 dropped the shutter & ISO info from the exif of those two pics, it switched automatically into night mode. S4 has a setting for this, switch to night mode if light detected is too low. Maybe the one in the reviewers G2 did so as well.
G2 does not mention scene type in the exif which is sloppy. But the S4 does, night mode basically means a kind of HDR, it takes a number of images and then combines them. Result is ISO & shutter speed are missing in the exif. At least samsung indicates that the S4 went into night mode. You have to wait while these images are combined before taking the next shot, so there is some delay here. Brian Klug goes into this in his anandtech review on the S4's camera.
Check out the exifs of these two pics from the G2..
Low light
Night mode
1/8 seems to be the slowest speed the G2 can go to. After that its exposure compensation image combo magic. Same applies for S3, S4, Note 3 & Note 2 as well.
!/8 + 1/8 + 1/8... is still 1/8 with less blur given the faster shutter time but you still have to hold the camera still for the duration and end up with a 1/8 exposure compensated shot.
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ashouhdy said:
its the night scene that puts the shutter to 1/8 ... Also i doubt the LG can get close to the low light performance of the Z1 Due to Sensor Size 1/2.3" vs 1/3"
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No chance for G2 to beat Z1 in low light.
Z1 sensor is 33% bigger.
Z1 aperture is 50% bigger
Z1 shutter speed is 6x slower (if its confirmed 1/8 is slowest speed for G2)
Plus you can exposure compensate 2+ on Z1
Lets see what this excellent compact has to offer photo wise.
Please share your photos taken and settings used, and if altered after.
Quick photo at work, Superior Auto 23mp, no edits.:
One I took last night and a bunch I took this morning on a trip to the allotment. All auto mode, a couple using digital zoom (which seems pretty good on the Z5c):
https://goo.gl/photos/wD8KWu9QyJsc3p4J6
(Note that these aren't full size - they are from the "free" version of Google Photos). Focus is fast and accurate and definitely seems to offer a more pleasing result than my Z3c did in auto mode. The daytime shots were shot in overcast conditions (i.e. normal UK weather!)
A few close up's I took just now when the sun came out!
23mp superior auto, unedited..
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Can anyone confirm this for me, in full 23MP manual mode, is the ISO set to auto and cannot be selected? Also are the SCN modes still limited to 8MP? thanks
ascariss said:
Can anyone confirm this for me, in full 23MP manual mode, is the ISO set to auto and cannot be selected? Also are the SCN modes still limited to 8MP? thanks
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23mp = ISO locked
SCN modes still limited to 8mp yes.
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ascariss said:
Can anyone confirm this for me, in full 23MP manual mode, is the ISO set to auto and cannot be selected? Also are the SCN modes still limited to 8MP? thanks
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Yes, all reviews on net said SCN can now shoot at 23MP but I think SCN still got ISO locked that's how SCN works. In manual, you surely can pick any ISO you want(I can even do that on my Z1c).
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z5-review-1293p5.php
he 8MP limit when using Superior Auto is gone and you can now shoot full resolution 23MP images
TheEndHK said:
Yes, all reviews on net said SCN can now shoot at 23MP but I think SCN still got ISO locked that's how SCN works. In manual, you surely can pick any ISO you want(I can even do that on my Z1c).
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z5-review-1293p5.php
he 8MP limit when using Superior Auto is gone and you can now shoot full resolution 23MP images
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What reviews show that SCN can go up to 23MP? Show me, because even in one of Sony's videos, in order to go to SCN mode, you have to select manual mode, 8MP and then SCN, check the video below.
https://youtu.be/eO-0HuXqgFU?t=250
As for ISO and full 23MP, it seems liked like Jiyeon90 said and from this preview/review
http://twentyfirsttech.com/2015/09/24/sony-xperia-z5-first-impressions/
Now, Sony forces you to limit your resolution to 8 MP if you want to manually set the ISO, denying you the ability to take advantage of the full 23 MP or even 20 MP the camera can use. With Sony’s perennial issues with the automatic camera algorithm (which has not even been rectified), you now get photos with truckloads of noise when you select a resolution above 8 MP as you’re forced to use Auto ISO.
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So clearly no, 23MP manual mode does not have selectable ISO, it is locked to auto, if you want custom ISO, you need to use 8MP.
There's supposed to be a camera app overhaul by the end of the year, right?
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November is what was written in the sony video at the bottom of the screen. Not holding my breath that this will bring manual settings support like ISO at 23mp or even shutter speed.
More from today when sun came out..
23mp superior auto unedited
ascariss said:
What reviews show that SCN can go up to 23MP? Show me, because even in one of Sony's videos, in order to go to SCN mode, you have to select manual mode, 8MP and then SCN, check the video below.
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oh, you are right. 23MP only auto ISO in manual and SCN still limited to 8MP and only unlocked 23MP for SA mode. And the low light performance even worse than Z2 ... Though I real like the instant focus of Z5c but it really driven me back from my next phone planning bcoz this baby is freaky expensive and seems not worth of it now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/mod-xperia-camera-unlocked-t3071161
But I think you guys could ask for zezadas to do a cam mod later since we already got 20MP SCN now on Z1/Z2/Z3 with root and even manual shutter speed up to 1s.
gadjet said:
More from today when sun came out..
23mp superior auto unedited
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Any chance you could upload your photos somewhere with the full size? Attached thumbnails never give a proper impression of the a photo.
If you click the thumbnails you'll get a big popup image (you can right click and open in a new window or download the original image).
Here's an 8MP image (auto), slightly more challenging conditions as a mix of bright and dark in the sky - you can see a bit of lens flare.
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ascariss said:
Any chance you could upload your photos somewhere with the full size? Attached thumbnails never give a proper impression of the a photo.
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First time I have hared photos (full size) from Google photos, hope they work..
https://goo.gl/photos/7b1uSbEPN28bKADt6
https://goo.gl/photos/bQixmxtXopxL1gzo9
https://goo.gl/photos/NX8UAsAP45uiR5zT7
https://goo.gl/photos/bMqK7TEXTQuxqp8dA
https://goo.gl/photos/74nDsJsTbsUKTcdQ6
gadjet said:
First time I have hared photos (full size) from Google photos, hope they work..
https://goo.gl/photos/7b1uSbEPN28bKADt6
https://goo.gl/photos/bQixmxtXopxL1gzo9
https://goo.gl/photos/NX8UAsAP45uiR5zT7
https://goo.gl/photos/bMqK7TEXTQuxqp8dA
https://goo.gl/photos/74nDsJsTbsUKTcdQ6
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Yep, you also have the blurry left area (top left then bottlenecks through the left edge then gets more blurry on the bottom left corner).
itsjustJOH said:
Yep, you also have the blurry left area (top left then bottlenecks through the left edge then gets more blurry on the bottom left corner).
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What would be a good photo test to show this left blur issue?
I did try to take a photo of a a4 text sheet and it seemed OK?
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Here is a photo of a flyer, I don't see any left edge blurring?
gadjet said:
What would be a good photo test to show this left blur issue?
I did try to take a photo of a a4 text sheet and it seemed OK?
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Try a brick wall on a bright day.
milesg said:
If you click the thumbnails you'll get a big popup image (you can right click and open in a new window or download the original image).
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The full size image on the forums is not the full size original when I click view full image
gadjet said:
First time I have hared photos (full size) from Google photos, hope they work..
https://goo.gl/photos/7b1uSbEPN28bKADt6
https://goo.gl/photos/bQixmxtXopxL1gzo9
https://goo.gl/photos/NX8UAsAP45uiR5zT7
https://goo.gl/photos/bMqK7TEXTQuxqp8dA
https://goo.gl/photos/74nDsJsTbsUKTcdQ6
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Appreciated very much. There is still some fine noise in the photos but it is not as horrible as in the samples in the pre production units. The blurriness on the left is evident in some photos indeed.
The thesebastian in the other camera thread made a good suggestion, turn the phone 180 and take a photo to see if the blurriness moves to the right or stays on the left. If moves to the right, it might be hardware, if not, perhaps software.
All shots taken with HDR on at max resolution possible, no other alterations. Will add as I get the chance. Love to hear thoughts.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2rIwjmi9goAWTJkbzF0QUEzZXc?usp=sharing
Looks good... Pixel is overrated, but yes... Software specs are much nicer then the mate !
Hardware + mate
Software + pixel
It's interesting too see how each interprets colors. The pixel lightens every photo and can at times add colors that are not true. At the same time it takes a "nicer" looking photo in most regards when it does not add that odd haze or noise. I'm going to enjoy making a low light comparison.
i can't see the image at all?
OnimushaPooh said:
i can't see the image at all?
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Use the link, there are 2 folders
pieman13 said:
Use the link, there are 2 folders
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I don't see the photo either in any of the 2 folders
Danbarizer said:
I don't see the photo either in any of the 2 folders
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Strange, they were there before, I will re upload
Should be back now
What really surprising is how close they are - nearly indistinguishable. I've noticed the XL gives just a hair of more detail
pieman13 said:
All shots taken with HDR on at max resolution possible, no other alterations. Will add as I get the chance. Love to hear thoughts.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2rIwjmi9goAWTJkbzF0QUEzZXc?usp=sharing
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Was the Pixel XL set to HDR+ Auto, or HDR+ On?
The Mate 9 looks like it was set to 12 MP, not 20 MP - don't know if this would have made a difference. And it was shot in HDR mode for every shot?
(Edit: now I see that the Mate 9 can only do 12 MP in HDR)
I plan on doing a comparison as well with my XL and V20, various modes, etc.
Nitemare3219 said:
Was the Pixel XL set to HDR+ Auto, or HDR+ On?
The Mate 9 looks like it was set to 12 MP, not 20 MP - don't know if this would have made a difference. And it was shot in HDR mode for every shot?
(Edit: now I see that the Mate 9 can only do 12 MP in HDR)
I plan on doing a comparison as well with my XL and V20, various modes, etc.
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Pixel was hdr on as I find it produces the best shots, however sometimes in low light situations, auto is best.
Funk2641 said:
What really surprising is how close they are - nearly indistinguishable. I've noticed the XL gives just a hair of more detail
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And more color saturation although it's not always welcome.
Sometimes I prefer the pixel and other times the mate gives the better shot. If I were cropping photos though, the pixel wins hands down. I also feel the mate has a more accurate focal point.
pieman13 said:
Pixel was hdr on as I find it produces the best shots, however sometimes in low light situations, auto is best.
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Great to hear! Most people don't know this.
pieman13 said:
Sometimes I prefer the pixel and other times the mate gives the better shot. If I were cropping photos though, the pixel wins hands down. I also feel the mate has a more accurate focal point.
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I'd like to see if setting the Mate 9 to 20 MP would give it more detail than the Pixel. I'm also really curious if the 2X zoom on the Mate 9 is better than just a straight crop of the same area. Need a comparison of that! I'll do some this weekend myself.
I could be wrong but I thought the mate 9 20mp was reserved for black and white lens only.
pieman13 said:
I could be wrong but I thought the mate 9 20mp was reserved for black and white lens only.
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Nope. Go to regular Photo mode, and 20 MP is an option. It actually saves in 20 MP resolution and all. It is supposed to get the detail from the 20 MP sensor, then color fill with the RGB sensor.
Ok, I did use that when shooting. I just thought it was reserved for the b&w only.
pieman13 said:
Ok, I did use that when shooting. I just thought it was reserved for the b&w only.
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It is unavailable in HDR mode though, only 12 MP is available there. So no 20 MP shots are in your album right now.
pieman13 said:
All shots taken with HDR on at max resolution possible, no other alterations. Will add as I get the chance. Love to hear thoughts.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2rIwjmi9goAWTJkbzF0QUEzZXc?usp=sharing
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Not so much difference from where I stand, as those are static scenes in relativelly "good" lighting conditions. We would see more references in lower light (street at night, forest in night) and with moving objects like kids, pets. Only difference I have noticed in attached photos is a tiny bit more details and much more noise in Google Pixel photos. Also post processing is different, with Pixel producing brighter images. But nothing that couldn't be reproduced on Mate 9 using manual post processing. At least in attached photos.
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Not so much difference from where I stand, as those are static scenes in relativelly "good" lighting conditions. We would see more references in lower light (street at night, forest in night) and with moving objects like kids, pets. Only difference I have noticed in attached photos is a tiny bit more details and much more noise in Google Pixel photos. Also post processing is different, with Pixel producing brighter images. But nothing that couldn't be reproduced on Mate 9 using manual post processing. At least in attached photos.
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Agree completely. It was very cloudy that day and you can see the difference in the depth of the clouds. I plan on taking some night shots soon. But the pixel has an amount of noise in its photos that I find rather unpleasant.
So try this, find a place where the lighting aint great, indoors, under your desk etc, where iso would be about 1600 or even higher, take a shot in Manual mode but without adjusting anything, then change to auto mode and take exactly the same shot, then go to gallery, open each photo and check the iso using the 3 dot menu and select details, you'll see for the Manual shot the iso will read 1600 iso or 2000 iso or whatever and the photo will have some noise (obviously).
Now go to the photo you took in Auto mode and select 3 dot menu and select details, you'll see the iso is 0 and the shot is much less noisy (very clean), What the hell is going on here?? you can even check the F stop and shutter speed, they'll be the same but the Manual mode has high iso (like it should for a low light scene) but the auto mode will be much cleaner and have 0 as iso, and thus much cleaner photo, any idea's???
any ideas anyone?
I've also noticed this. could this be because of HDR?
aaaaleon said:
I've also noticed this. could this be because of HDR?
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Ah, yes, maybe thats it, will check, many thanks, appreciated
Nope not HDR, put HDR off and still get 0 iso in some shots (bright and low light), ok am stumped, have no idea what is happening...
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I saw a clue in the dpreview review for the G6. The reviewer thinks that a multi-frame technique is being used in very low light. This would combine sequential exposures kind of in an analogue to how HDR works. So while it would not be related to the HDR setting, it would use a similar technique. The sample image he posts as an example of this has no iso reported, possibly because there were multiple iso settings combined or else there's not a logical way to come up with the equivalent iso (or they were just too lazy to do so).
Jostian said:
So try this, find a place where the lighting aint great, indoors, under your desk etc, where iso would be about 1600 or even higher, take a shot in Manual mode but without adjusting anything, then change to auto mode and take exactly the same shot, then go to gallery, open each photo and check the iso using the 3 dot menu and select details, you'll see for the Manual shot the iso will read 1600 iso or 2000 iso or whatever and the photo will have some noise (obviously).
Now go to the photo you took in Auto mode and select 3 dot menu and select details, you'll see the iso is 0 and the shot is much less noisy (very clean), What the hell is going on here?? you can even check the F stop and shutter speed, they'll be the same but the Manual mode has high iso (like it should for a low light scene) but the auto mode will be much cleaner and have 0 as iso, and thus much cleaner photo, any idea's???
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I did the test and on manual iso was 1750 and exposure 1/15. then on auto mode iso was on 1600 and exposure at 1/15, but on AUTO there is almost not noise...
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I saw a clue in the dpreview review for the G6. The reviewer thinks that a multi-frame technique is being used in very low light. This would combine sequential exposures kind of in an analogue to how HDR works. So while it would not be related to the HDR setting, it would use a similar technique. The sample image he posts as an example of this has no iso reported, possibly because there were multiple iso settings combined or else there's not a logical way to come up with the equivalent iso (or they were just too lazy to do so).
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Ah ok, makes sense, many thanks jdock, appreciated. Stupid thing is that one has no idea when it will do what you mention, i took 8 photos (in auto mode) of exactly the same scene and had 3 with no iso and 2 hdr shots and 3 with normal iso readings.
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It will mostly have zero ISO in low light condition. Which is amazing. That is why picture are less noisy. I don't have G6 but same thing happens on LG V20. I love the camera of V20 as I mostly take pictures indoor. I used to hate HTC 10 camera. All the pictures were extremely blurry and full of noise whether I keep HDR on, use manual mode(pro mode lowest ISO was 100) or flash.
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Below two picture taken from HTC 10. This phone was so expensive (750$) and look at the quality of camera. One picture i have taken on afternoon and other evening time. I hope none of the HTC fan come and start giving explanation.
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Is there any way to capture images from the rear 20 MP sensor without pixel binning in daylight? I believe the pixel binning smudges the details a lot. When I use the low light lens from the manual mode in daylight, the details and the overall quality is much lower than the rear 12 MP camera. Is there any way to use the 20 MP sensor without Xiaomi's algorithms?
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Is there any way to capture images from the rear 20 MP sensor without pixel binning in daylight? I believe the pixel binning smudges the details a lot. When I use the low light lens from the manual mode in daylight, the details and the overall quality is much lower than the rear 12 MP camera. Is there any way to use the 20 MP sensor without Xiaomi's algorithms?
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Wrong thread. Delete please.