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Would anyone here with an s7 edge Exynos variant consider switching to a oneplus 3 and why ?
No way LOL
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NVR think of it
It is like a downgrade, not an upgrade. You lose the waterproof ness, the superb camera screen and the sd. You will only have 6GB ram (not all of them are actually usable. It is a placebo)
Its more of a sidegrade, lol!
It has some aspects that people would consider switching for.
Like the 6GB of RAM. AOSP support. Snapdragon CPU (maybe)
If its going to be like the OPO it will have a great development userbase. And alot of development roms.
Move from a QHD screen on the S7 to an old HD screen on the Oneplus? Never.
After reading Anandtech's analysis of the display on the OnePlus 3, it's a no-go for sure....
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10411/the-oneplus-3-review/4
TLR, noticeable pentile matrix (hello 2010), horrible color accuracy (worst they've seen since doing display testing on phones).
Of course, I use my Gear VR quite a bit so that immediately rules out the OnePlus 3. No microSD storage also doesn't help me.
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Surely not. Why would anyone want to loose the features that make the 7 series what it is?!
However, I am considering changing my P9000 for the OP3 but I am waiting to see if they can sort the display out somewhat first? - The P9000 has the best display of any phone I have seen
Its only the camera that could be better.
I hang on to my S7E until I see what Samsung come out with next.
The only good quality about the oneplus 3 is the unlocked bootloader and large development community. I've read the anandtech review and the screen seems like a big disappointment but most other reviews seem to think it's a pretty good one which is confusing lol
I'm looking for Samsung hardware with stock Android and so far this phone doesn't exist.
IMHO compared to the S7 Edge the Oneplus 3 is overall inferior in many hardware aspects.
Pros:
64GB internal memory
6GB RAM (but currently poorly managed without applying a fix...)
Type-C USB
Cons:
less LTE bands
worse AMOLED screen (and non-edge)
worse camera quality
worse flash and autofocus
no microSD card
no heart rate and SpO2 sensors
worse battery
worse fast charging (Oppo's based and not standard)
no wireless charge
no water resistance
and IMHO the Exynos 8890 is better then the Qualcomm 820...
Oneplus 3 price is attractive, but you get what you pay for.
However unfortunately IMHO the S7 Edge is still overpriced...
It would be a downgrade, I don't know anyone dumb enough to do that
i have ordered one. Lets c how it goes.
I ordered one because my work pays for part of the cost. The initial reviews are ok. A firmware upgrade or rooting can help it be better.
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I ordered one because my work pays for part of the cost. The initial reviews are ok. A firmware upgrade or rooting can help it be better.
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Apparently there's going to be an update that deals with the screen accuracy issues.
Had OP2, had nice specs, but in reality it sucked mostly because of the half cooked software. Even though OP seems to be fixing it with OP3 I will never buy from Oneplus ever again
If you consider the overall experience, for what I am in love with the s7 edge, let it be display, battery, software(controversial), the extra samsung features, VR, camera, aesthetics, stability (really important) etc , s7 edge leaves OP3 way behind.
Op3 is a great buy but a downgrade from s7
Nope
I'm buying the OP3 as a side-phone to toy with Who knows, I might sell my S7E later on. Always liked OnePlus devices. I did skip the OP2 though, it was fail. OP3 seems polished and I've heard that OxygenOS 3.0 is rather good this time around! TouchWiz is very capable, but very heavy and feels like a bloated mess comprared to OxygenOS.
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I'm buying the OP3 as a side-phone to toy with Who knows, I might sell my S7E later on. Always liked OnePlus devices. I did skip the OP2 though, it was fail. OP3 seems polished and I've heard that OxygenOS 3.0 is rather good this time around! TouchWiz is very capable, but very heavy and feels like a bloated mess comprared to OxygenOS.
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keep us posted with your thoughts when you get the phone : P wonder how fast will oneplus be pushing updates this time.
No way! Such a downgrade und even worse software. But I consider upcoming HTC nexus, because of this typical samsung's software issue
It seems like a decent device. But the problem is that I already own and can afford my S7E. I don't see anything wrong with the one plus 3, and especially for the price.
But I wouldn't dream of leaving my S7E for it. Worse camera. Worse battery life. Screen is lower resolution, which isn't that big of a deal for me, but it is a con, for sure. The only pluses are the fact that there is no edge, which helps while holding, and the 6gb of ram, which is also questionable for the moment. No doubt that it will be the next big thing as well.
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I want to get a new phone to replace my S6. The two main options I have honed in on are the Axon 7 64GB and the OnePlus 3T. Here are the strengths of each
Axon 7
Better screen (higher resolution)
Better warranty/support
Better speakers
SD card support
OnePlus 3T
Better processor
More RAM
Physical home button.
Thoughts? Those of you have one and wish you got the other?
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I want to get a new phone to replace my S6. The two main options I have honed in on are the Axon 7 64GB and the OnePlus 3T. Here are the strengths of each
Axon 7
Better screen (higher resolution)
Better warranty/support
Better speakers
SD card support
OnePlus 3T
Better processor
More RAM
Physical home button.
Thoughts? Those of you have one and wish you got the other?
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Honestly, processor and RAM doesn't make that much of a difference when they're this close.....Unless you're a gamer?
Other things to look at, that may make your decision.
Camera - OnePlus 3T wins
Audio - Axon 7 wins
How much space do you really need? My SD card died last week and I was all freaked out, but it all fit on my 64gb Axon 7 internal memory until my new card arrives.... If I had a bunch of movies to save, this would be a deal breaker. I even have 2100 songs and they only eat up about 7-8gb.
I'm an "audio" buff....So the choice was easy for me, and the camera is good enough on the Axon 7 that I can live with it and make it do what I need it to. Sometimes a little editing is needed.
Well this is my point of view, take it with a grain of salt.
ZTE:
- Better Screen (not reaaaaaally noticeable, yes it is better, but both are good enough so that you cant tell each other apart). Real difference might be appreciated with QHD wallpapers, but not much else.
- Better Speakers, and overall sound quality. This has to be the largest difference. Watching videos in the Axon vs the OP3 is like going from dial up to broadband. Plus, the Axon drives higher impedance headphones without much of a hassle.
- Better in call quality. This is a direct consequence of having better audio.
- SD Card Support. I thought I wouldn't need it too much but actually, it is a nice thing to have.
OP3:
- The fact that the screen itself is lower res, means lower battery consumption. Since I read an article from AnandTech, we might be talking maybe up to 30% less usage from the screen + cpu/gpu load.
- The camera has to be better, you don't have to work yourself out to get an awesome picture. Though, if you get it right on the ZTE you can absolutely get beautiful pictures.
- Better processor? Really? Lets suppose you actually need the difference in clocks, where the OP3 would make a difference, how long can you really keep that clock up? Maaaybe 5 minutes before hitting thermal limits where the better cpu just doesn't mean anything anymore.
- Physical button. Well this is really up to you, I prefer the fingerprint scanner on the back.
- Alert Slider. Really an advantage for the OP3, really like this feature, and if it ever becomes configurable, that would be awesome.
-6GB of RAM?? Well, I have 4GB on my Axon and never has an app crashed on me, and I was suprised to find myself having 20+ apps open without the phone even noticing and instantly switching between them with all of them loaded in RAM. So this one is up to you, but I wouldn't mind. It does make the OP3 more futureproof if anything...
- Software> the OP3s software is hands down better than the Axons and that is the best that the OP3 can pull over the Axon, by far.
About support, well I don't know how well any of them do with support so i will not comment on this.
My conclusion is then: should you care about media consumption, buy the Axon, don't even think about it. If what you want/need the best performance around and like having the best software and dev help, then get the OP3. I wouldn't look on hardware differences too much.
Not a gamer in the slightest. I will occasionally take toddler snapshots with the camera when my panny is not handy.
This is more an overall performance and form comparison.
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Axon 7 has Daydream support, also.
Now that Axon 7 is getting proper sound support on LOS/LOS based roms, it is Axon 7 hands down.
A7 has better cellular connectivity support. Has more bands than the OP3/T do.
How prevalent is this Google Play bug I am seeing on the Axon 7?
I've had three OP phones and never buying them again. All above aside, they have terrible touch screen lag which makes them unusable. Axon is also cheaper.
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I have both...Also mate 9..Just bought each over this last month...I am coming from my still loved note 5..
First off...Don't think too much into 2k unless vr is your factor. I did too. But after experiencing these latest devices running 1080 with 5.5 inch to 5.9 I cannot believe I said all I did in the past...The one plus 3t is just as sharp for regular use and have not tried any VR on any device...The Axon 7 is great as well...Not as speedy as the latter but still a steal for the price...To be honest the one plus 3t and Axon 7 are both comparable however the camera is a bit better FOR ME so far on One plus but I have to say that 20mp isn't bad at all...The 1440 on the Axon isn't that noticable to me either. Really. The one plus screen looks slightly better to me I guess because of the brightness and calibration. Still miniscule ...Both perform crazy fast for their price but one plus and mate 9 are definitely smoother for me...Just flip a coin. You can't go wrong...I just could not make up my mind so I bought them all...If I have to sell one I will. But for now they are all nice and safe clean and ready for my reviews...Sort of babbling here really but if you have any specific questions I can totally help. I do not keep notifications on so I'll have to check for reply manually. I haven't been on in a year here ...But I'll be checking back for your comments. Or Inbox
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You can supposedly get Google assistant on Axon 7 which won't happen on op3t
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crcostel said:
I want to get a new phone to replace my S6. The two main options I have honed in on are the Axon 7 64GB and the OnePlus 3T. Here are the strengths of each
Axon 7
Better screen (higher resolution)
Better warranty/support
Better speakers
SD card support
OnePlus 3T
Better processor
More RAM
Physical home button.
Thoughts? Those of you have one and wish you got the other?
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Not a gamer in the slightest. I will occasionally take toddler snapshots with the camera when my panny is not handy.
This is more an overall performance and form comparison.
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How prevalent is this Google Play bug I am seeing on the Axon 7?
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I can say I was on the same boat as you in January, when I bought my first Axon 7 and I was amazed with the device. Even when I loved it, I decided to get a Mate 9 because I heard it was a great device. I used the Mate 9 for a couple of weeks and sold it and got the Axon 7 again, I couldn't stand the media consumption in the Mate 9, because of the screen and the sound. The Mate 9 has an amazing display, but I'm used to QHD since many years ago, and somehow I could notice the difference in certain situations. About the sound, Axon 7 is clearly the winner here. The reason I changed the Axon 7 was the camera, because was average and everybody claimed that Mate 9 had a super camera. Truth is, that I didn't see too much difference between the 2 in picture quality, so better go back with the Axon 7.
Regarding the comparison, 821 is less than 10% better than 820, so it makes no difference in real world usage. RAM neither, because most of the time I have 2GB free on the Axon 7, so why should I want 2GB more?, that is only pure marketing and never an app would require so much RAM.
In my opinion, the physical home button is a waste of space, because it only makes the device bigger with no need. I always have hated capacitive buttons, but what I love about the Axon 7 is that even with capacitive buttons, the aspect ratio is great. Is smaller than some of the 5.5" devices I have used before that rely only on software buttons.
The OP3T has a worse display, both resolution and quality, and the people who say that is because of the battery, is lying or they don't know much about technology. Display technology has advanced so much in these years, and even when this statement was true in the beginning, now the QHD screens out there have similar power consumptions. Also to point that the screen on the Axon 7 is exactly the same of the Galaxy S7 Edge, so I can say is really nice to have a display like this one.
As for the OP3T, is true that is has slightly better performance, camera and battery, but is no match for the Axon 7 regarding media consumption (sound, display, storage, etc.) and the difference is huge between the 2.
As someone suggested you, if you aim to media consumption, there is no better device than this one. If you are kind of a ROM addict or you are deep into development, get the OP3T.
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P.D.: All the bugs and problems the Axon 7 (including Play Store) are fixed now with the update that came a few days ago, and I can confirm it.
P.D.2: Have you consider to wait for the OnePlus 5?
crcostel said:
Not a gamer in the slightest. I will occasionally take toddler snapshots with the camera when my panny is not handy.
This is more an overall performance and form comparison.
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If performance is your concern then look no further and buy the OP3, unless, since you are an XDA member, know a thing or two about tinkering with ROMs and flashing your phone. In that case then its an Audio vs Camera situation...
In had the oneplus 3 and returned it within 2days. Axon 7 has been the better phone for me.
It's really a matter of opinion. You won't find that much difference in the specs.
Battery - The charging speed is the same (see this), and this), battery is the same (slightly better on the a7). I use the phone a lot and I'm very happy with the battery capacity.
Screen is nearly the same (A7: 2K AMOLED, OP3: 1080p Super AMOLED).
Processor - You won't notice the difference. Seriously, the A7 has great speed.
Camera - The A7's camera is excellent in day light. Not in day light? Not so much. It's fine. But in day light you can take amazing pictures with it (which show great on the screen ). There are a bunch of camera samples online from each phone (and maybe even a camera comparison), so check that out.
You might also want to check some other stuff out like durability, speed, etc. In videos. But do keep in mind that in speeds as high as flagships phone you probably won't notice the difference.
RAM - The 4GB RAM on the A7 is enough for me. I don't see how anyone would need 6GM RAM on a smartphone. (I've also heard that OP3 doesn't use all it's RAM, I wonder if that's fixed already).
The fingerprint scanner on the back is surprisingly comfortable and it's really a matter of getting used to it. I got used to it very quickly and it's instinctive to me.
The stock ROM isn't that great but it could be replaced by unlocking the bootloader so I personally wouldn't take that into account here. Plus the A7 started getting a lot of attention from ROM makers and has LOS official support and other ROMs available.
Also the A7 is cheaper.
The audio is also excellent.
Design is also great, the phone is very pretty (suck it LG G6 )
I enjoy my phone greatly.
Axon 7 +'s
audio
warranty
OnePlus 3T
pretty wood cases
It looks like the stock ROM is probably better (built-in dark theme and accent color adjustment. Well executed)
Processor matters. Maybe not in speed but the additional features Qualcomm rolls up in the chipset can... as long as the manufacturer implements them.
For me, it came down to warranty and particularly the Dash charging is proprietary. I'd rather not buy up a bunch of chargers which charge fast only on their phones. Yes, Quick Charge 3.0 is proprietary to Qualcomm in the sense that USB-C PD is the real standard - but it's less proprietary.
My next phone must have the most standard charging available. I'm tired of this proprietary charging junk. Dicking with finding the right power adapter is annoying and just adds up in $30 and $40 costs if I want car adapters and additional AC adapters which support whatever standard.
Just think of the extra $60 you spent on extra Quick/Fast chargers for the office & car which will be obsolete on your next phone. Hidden costs are crap.
I have it on mine. Just pressed home button held it and there it is. 7.0 stock.
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Thanks everyone - going to BestBuy tomorrow to get a feel for the ergonomics and then will buy from BH if it passes. Currently have VZW so I'll try to get it going and if not, off to ATT
Also worth noting that the Axon 7 can be had for almost 40% less than the equivalent 3T, which seems almost too good to pass up for an incremental upgrade.
Also, from what I understand, it only fully supports AT&T and T-Mobile in states so do beware.
With axon 7 getting proper sound on LOS and an SD card for me it's a no brainer....I like to take my movies with me when I travel so sticking everything on the 256gb SanDisk is awesome....I will never but a phone with no microSD...I don't even wanna count how many times I wiped internal storage when I was resetting for a new Roman install....Having my TWRP backups on external storage was literAlly a life saver for me personally
I just recently got the money I've been waiting for to get a new phone. (my moto G4 is going down the toilet when I get one, Thanks Lenovo...) I was wondering If you guys think I should get the One plus 5 or wait for the 5t in Q4? here's my preferences.
battery life: 1
performance: 2
display: 3
design: 4
storage: 5
camera: 6
with 1 being the most important.
I've heard the one plus 5T will most likely have the same processor and battery life so if that's true maybe there's my answer but wondering what you guys thought.
Also I don't really care about storage all to much but is the 8gb ram worth it for 60 bucks? thanks for any input.
Austin
Officially there is no chip better than the 835 at the moment. So a 5T would flop kind of hard. For such a small company they cant afford to do that. Unless they really pump up other features by an insane margin dont expect a new flagship so quickly. But i have proposed the idea that even tho the 3t was a great device, for lack of a better term OnePlus cant be trusted to not usurp their phones for fear of another "T" phone. A 5T could happen but who knows if they will want to one up themselves. The 3t was a massive hit though so who knows? They just might.
I knew right from the start there will be no t variant this time. Oneplus5 is still the best phone after the comming iphone.
For battery and performance I can vouche, although some users like me encounter some software related idle WiFi drain that will hopefully be fixed in OOS 4.6. I'm loving the display too, although it's "only" 1080p, for me it's fully sufficient plus it's lighter on the battery. For the design and camera I don't care much. In terms of storage I think 64GB is sufficient, and 6GB RAM is just perfect. I went for this model. Some users need loads of storage though for movies, songs etc so 128GB makes sense, too.
lol there is no sure thing of a 5T coming. Just because they made a 3T doesn't mean they will make a 5T and to assume that will just make you wait for something that likely won't come. Missing out on the best phone out there right now.
Waiting for the next best thing means you end up waiting forever but at some point you need to bite thre bullet and get something...
Guaranteed that 2 days later a bigger, better item will be available though.
Personally the 128gb was the one I got. Still not enough storage, One+ REALLY need to put in external storage support, and that should hopefully futureproof it a bit.
The only thing that could make the 5T better would be 8gb, 128gb with external storage. Only reason I might upgrade, anything else would be a plus but it would have to be at the same price point or less (like that would happen).
Don't pay more for more RAM.
OnePlus might make a 5T but the current model is hard to beat. If they do make a 5T it won't be much different, if they don't do a 5T then you could have more quality time with your beloved G4 until the OnePlus 6.
Evan Blass has leaked that the new Pixel phones will come sometimes in October and will have the Snapdragon 836. Yes, 836, not 835.
So if OnePlus want to release a 5T, it will have the 836 which is a pretty small upgrade. I mean, it will probably have slightly higher clock speeds and some other minor improvements. With such little changes, I don't think it would be worth for them to release another device.
Hardware-wise, the OnePlus 5 is a beast. Most people just had higher expectations regarding the features. The only thing OnePlus can do to improve the 5 is to add water resistance, perhaps improve the camera, a slightly bigger battery and maybe higher screen resolution. Those are the major gripes people had with this phone.
Unless they improve those areas, a 5T will be a flop.
As to the OP's question - You can get the 5 now and sell it if a 5T does eventually pop up. The 5 shouldn't lose much value in a few months.
A friend even made a profit while selling his 3T.
In the of world of technology one thing I've learned is if you wait then you always wait coz there will be something new around the corner every month ? even if op5t comes it will be just like from 3 to 3t just barely any changes
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Evan Blass has leaked that the new Pixel phones will come sometimes in October and will have the Snapdragon 836. Yes, 836, not 835.
So if OnePlus want to release a 5T, it will have the 836 which is a pretty small upgrade. I mean, it will probably have slightly higher clock speeds and some other minor improvements. With such little changes, I don't think it would be worth for them to release another device.
Hardware-wise, the OnePlus 5 is a beast. Most people just had higher expectations regarding the features. The only thing OnePlus can do to improve the 5 is to add water resistance, perhaps improve the camera, a slightly bigger battery and maybe higher screen resolution. Those are the major gripes people had with this phone.
Unless they improve those areas, a 5T will be a flop.
As to the OP's question - You can get the 5 now and sell it if a 5T does eventually pop up. The 5 shouldn't lose much value in a few months.
A friend even made a profit while selling his 3T.
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Profit selling his 3t is because of the jelly screen hype. I saw it in the Netherlands also. Sold my 3t for 350€ after I received the 5 with early bird offer. After jelly the price of second hand 3t's went up sky high.
Would've loved for OnePlus to had created a 5'7 inch screen for us guys that is coming from Galaxy Notes and who have large hands.
Thanks for all the responses, I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the 128gb slate grey. I figure I'll have the phone for at least 2 years and who knows maybe I'll need the extra space eventually, and the extra ram will be nice as well.
The space is nice but I honestly think all that ram is a gimmick. Phones don't need 8 gigs of ram--that's serious overkill. The OnePlus Camera App is disappointing. A lot of people are using the Google Camera app ported from the Pixel instead of the stock one from OnePlus. I haven't noticed any jelly effect on mine and the phone seems pretty solid so far. You'll probably be happy with your purchase.
8GB RAM helps with multitasking. Watch any OnePlus 5 vs XYZ videos on YouTube and you'll see it pretty much wiped the floor with the competition in terms of multitasking.
So yeah, while it's not necessary, it still is nice not having to refresh an app you opened 10 apps ago.
8GB also makes it a bit futureproof. Next year we'll see more devices with 8GB probably. Apps will use more and more RAM too, so 8GB will come in handy.
According to this website, the OnePlus 5T will be released late 2017 http://androidmarvel.com/2017/08/27/1580/oneplus-5t-specs-rumors/
So it's best to wait for the 5T and make do for now, you wouldn't want to spend your money on a phone that will get an "enhanced" version few months later. That's just my opinion!
IP68 certification and the Snapdragon 836 are barely a big improvement. The Chipset upgrade itself won't be anything spectacular, maybe just slightly increased clock speeds.
I know that OP5 is a whole lot faster, but what if I'm kinda in a tight budget, should I just go with OP3T?
Also, I'm worried about the jelly scrolling, if I'm gonna have the OP5 will I get used to it? And I'm assuming not all devices has the same level of jellyness because some don't see it and some do. I also tried replicating the jelly by turning my current Xiaomi phone upside down and tried using it for three hours and I ended up getting dizzy.
So here's my usage type.
-Don't game a lot
-Browse a lot like Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook
-Music
-Rare picture taking
-I like longer battery life
I know I don't really maximize the capability of the phone but I'm taking advantage of the 6 GB RAM which helps a lot in switching apps. OP3T 6GB 128GB is priced $440 (no 64GB available) in our country and OP5 6GB is priced $530. Is the $90 difference worth it considering my type of usage?
Thank you.
I'd go with 3T for what you're wanting.
They're exactly the same.. There's no much difference from 3T and 5.. Try look some videos on youtube 3T vs 5.. The only thing change is camera and no other else (excluding CPU and RAM of course)
Go with OP5. Jelly scrolling isnt as severe as people make it out to be. OP5 is better than OP3T in every aspect. That 90$ difference is well worth it.
- runs cooler than op3t
- battery capacity is smaller than op3t, but it runs longer.
- music quality through headphone jack is slightly better than 3t. The speaker is louder too.
- camera is a step up over 3t.
- being a newer phone, its expected OP will treat it better in terms of software update.
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Go with OP5. Jelly scrolling isnt as severe as people make it out to be. OP5 is better than OP3T in every aspect. That 90$ difference is well worth it.
- runs cooler than op3t
- battery capacity is smaller than op3t, but it runs longer.
- music quality through headphone jack is slightly better than 3t. The speaker is louder too.
- camera is a step up over 3t.
- being a newer phone, its expected OP will treat it better in terms of software update.
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+1 , nothing to add. snapdragon 835 is more efficient. So both phones got about the same battery life.
But, even if this list seems cool, imho, it doesn't worth the 90$ at all.
And I should add : op3t got the OIS (optical image stabilisation), it might be better in low light scenes, when the shoot is a bit longer, so the shakiness of your hand wont blur the picture as much as the op5.
Presumably $90 is a significant amount of money in your budget or you wouldn't have asked the question to begin with. The OP5 processor is more power efficient and runs cooler than the 3T but the battery life between the two phones is about the same because the 3T has a larger battery. The OP5 has more powerful camera hardware but doesn't currently take advantage of it because the camera app is pretty lousy. You can take better point and shoot pictures with a $200 Samsung phone--especially in low light. Oreo is the last official Android build the 3T will receive while the OP5 will likely receive the build after Oreo but nothing after that. The jelly scroll problem on the OP5 isn't only because the screen was installed upside down but also because OP used the 3T display in the OP5 and the display isn't powerful enough for the rest of the hardware. If the screen refreshed faster and was higher resolution nobody would have even noticed that the display was upside down in the first place. The jelly effect drives some people crazy and other people aren't bothered by it but either way it's a design flaw that shouldn't be there and won't ever be fixed with software. I find myself clearing the system cache on my OP5 a lot because of frequent scrolling lag that seems to go away temporarily after I clear the cache. It's possible the scrolling lag is how I perceive the jelly effect but it can get pretty annoying --particularly because I never previously owned a phone with that issue. Only you can ultimately decide whether the OP5 is enough of an upgrade to merit the extra money. I think you might be as happy with the 3T given the description of your needs.
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Go with OP5. Jelly scrolling isnt as severe as people make it out to be. OP5 is better than OP3T in every aspect. That 90$ difference is well worth it.
- runs cooler than op3t
- battery capacity is smaller than op3t, but it runs longer.
- music quality through headphone jack is slightly better than 3t. The speaker is louder too.
- camera is a step up over 3t.
- being a newer phone, its expected OP will treat it better in terms of software update.
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Yea. This is what making me to rethink again on really what to pick between the two, almost every reviewer mentioned that it's not getting hot like the 3T because of the 10nm processor. Which adds battery life too. I think I should see an actual unit before buying to decide if the scrolling will still make me dizzy.
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Yea. This is what making me to rethink again on really what to pick between the two, almost every reviewer mentioned that it's not getting hot like the 3T because of the 10nm processor. Which adds battery life too. I think I should see an actual unit before buying to decide if the scrolling will still make me dizzy.
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Dont worry about the scrolling its all fluff from people who just gotta think negative. Its a great device and has virtually zero issues. There are some folks with wifi problems and the like but honestly i havent encountered any reboots. My phone didnt even reboot when calling 911 before that update. Never had wifi problems so i guess u could get one that acts up or one that just skates through
I do believe most of the people giving bad reviews about oneplus 5 don't actually have one.
Oneplus 5 is just a beast!
I say if you can afford to pay the extta $90 then just go for the 5. You'll most likely have longer software support since its newer, and will have higher resell value than the 3T if you were to sell it down the road.
3T is still a great device though but I'd still say try getting the 5 if it's possible!
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Presumably $90 is a significant amount of money in your budget or you wouldn't have asked the question to begin with. The OP5 processor is more power efficient and runs cooler than the 3T but the battery life between the two phones is about the same because the 3T has a larger battery. The OP5 has more powerful camera hardware but doesn't currently take advantage of it because the camera app is pretty lousy. You can take better point and shoot pictures with a $200 Samsung phone--especially in low light. Oreo is the last official Android build the 3T will receive while the OP5 will likely receive the build after Oreo but nothing after that. The jelly scroll problem on the OP5 isn't only because the screen was installed upside down but also because OP used the 3T display in the OP5 and the display isn't powerful enough for the rest of the hardware. If the screen refreshed faster and was higher resolution nobody would have even noticed that the display was upside down in the first place. The jelly effect drives some people crazy and other people aren't bothered by it but either way it's a design flaw that shouldn't be there and won't ever be fixed with software. I find myself clearing the system cache on my OP5 a lot because of frequent scrolling lag that seems to go away temporarily after I clear the cache. It's possible the scrolling lag is how I perceive the jelly effect but it can get pretty annoying --particularly because I never previously owned a phone with that issue. Only you can ultimately decide whether the OP5 is enough of an upgrade to merit the extra money. I think you might be as happy with the 3T given the description of your needs.
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Lol lag? Scrolling lag? I do a system cache wipe maybe once every 3 weeks just because. There is no lag in this phone ever. You maybe have something going on with your phone or have a bad app misbehaving. Ordered my phone the day off launch and it's been buttery smooth ever since. I'm rooted, Magisk, stock oos on stock kernel. If you have lag.... Is think you have something going on you haven't b found yet.
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Lol lag? Scrolling lag? I do a system cache wipe maybe once every 3 weeks just because. There is no lag in this phone ever. You maybe have something going on with your phone or have a bad app misbehaving. Ordered my phone the day off launch and it's been buttery smooth ever since. I'm rooted, Magisk, stock oos on stock kernel. If you have lag.... Is think you have something going on you haven't b found yet.
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I have factory reset my phone twice, tried 3 custom kernels and maximized the kernel settings for high performance and minimum latency--and the scrolling lag always comes back eventually no matter what. It's also exactly the same in safe mode so it's not caused by any app I installed. People also complain about scrolling lag on the OP5 support thread pretty much every day so it's not just me. It might be a software issue with OOS though given how buggy the stock ROM is. I haven't tried any custom ROMs for the OP5.
Let me preface this by saying I am picky about my phones and this is one of the worst I have seen in years! If you have an old phone I can understand some of the upgrade but here are my thoughts coming well staying with a Note 10+. Never bought and returned a phone this quick. Returning before it is even released on Friday!!
Let's start with the good, well somewhat......
Screen: Once again Samsung delivers a world class screen. Best in brightness, color accuracy, etc etc everything like normal that they always produce in their flagships. Now for the downsize, the infamous 120hz screen refresh rate. Not worth it here. Smoother scrolling, sure but barely. I honestly don't even mind the 1080p and 120 hz just the need for the 120hz on a phone is overkill. Was gaming smoother sure, do I game much on my phone, no not really. The 240 touch response I can tell more of a difference and a worthy difference then the 120 hz refresh
Processing power: Phone is fast, minus animations. Photo processing, night mode shots are a big difference. Much faster in that aspect. Wish we saw little more ram and more storage though at this price
Battery: 5000 mah in this device makes it a little thicker but in my short one day of use it stood up pretty well to transferring apps and everything over and hard use for a few hours last night. Couldn't kill it
and now the bad
Camera: throw all the numbers at it and it will be great.... well not so fast. Main shooter in 12 or 108 mp mode cannot focus on anything. Piece of paper on desk in front of you, good luck. Zoom a few feet away from you, also good luck. 5x/10x/30x zoom is better then Note 10+ of course but how often are you going to use this? Everyday? Once a week? Once a month? Still not great quality (usable) at 10x or 30x really so no point in my book. 5x is crisp but falls off too much after that for me to use. Wide angle is same as note so no real improvement here. Camera also seems to make everything more saturated then I like as well almost to the point of unrealistic. The one and only thing the iPhone can do well and the note seems to be closer to that realistic representation then the Ultra.
Design: not that the design is bad but feels a tad on the chunkier side. Rounder edges do help but does not feel as sleek as nice to hold as note or even s10. Thicker as well to house that battery and camera module. Also worried about how scratched the module bump will become after months of abuse.
UI: Let me first say I hate Android 10/Samsung UI 2.0, I am still using 9 and the Ultra reminded me why. App animations are slow (yes can fix in dev options but still), quick replying to text or message in status bar is not instant like prior android generations. Don't know if this is an android 10 or Samsung UI 2.0 problem but seems like it should be an upgrade not a downgrade
Price: $1400 is a lot even for 2020. That is also only for 128 gb and 12 gb ram model. So no upgrade to ram compared to Note and a loss of half the storage compared to entry level note. Plan was to trade in note 10+ and pay $800 and it isn't worth that tp be honest. Not even close. Only foreseeable upgrades are little brighter screen and zoom lens. The rest is a downgrade to me or the same.
I will continue to use note 10+ until Note 20 maybe? Needs to have something better for the money it is going to cost though
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That's a fair assessment. From testing out an S20 Ultra, I wasn't impressed enough to upgrade from the Note 10+. While many of the upgrades are nice to have, there are no earth shattering changes. To be fair, phone technology has plateaued and it's going to take more than camera, screen and battery upgrades to get people spending $1000+, let alone $1400-1500. The Note 20 is going to need an under display front camera, an even bigger battery, more futuristic design or something to get people to upgrade.
Now I have friends who upgraded from S8/ Note 8 models and they're blown away by the improvement. It's become more practical to upgrade every 2+ years versus luxury upgrades every cycle.
I am returning mine because mainly because I cannot justify the difference between the 128 GB of the Ultra vs the S20+. The main difference between the two are the battery and camera. For me, the Ultra is simply TOO BIG, it's taller, wider and substantially heavier than what I am used to - coming from the S10+. S20+ is the ideal fit, especially since I really do not care for the camera specs honestly.
I got mine yesterday and have been testing the camera against my Pixel 3XL. I was hoping for a similar experience as the Pixel, but so far the results have been wildly inconsistent. Some of the photos are marginally better than the Pixel, but many are much worse, especially when it comes to white balance in low light and extremely over done color saturation in others.
Similar to OP, I love the screen, processor and battery. It's a shame the camera is dragging it down for me. I'll probably take a look at it again in a few months and see if any updates have made significant improvements to the camera.
Oh, I also tried out one of the GCam ports and saw little to no improvement over the stock camera.
My only gripe which I can agree with you on is the camera's autofocus. There is a firmware update inbound which is supposed to fix this. This should not be a launch issue.
As for the UI, I disagree. I think it's perfectly responsive. It may be the update to 2.1 for you. I've only ever had 2.x on my Samsung devices so I can't comment from that respect.
Those are of course your impressions and opinion and as such I'm not saying your wrong just that it's not that way in my point of view.
In the past I've returned things less than a day of ownership because of burning issues. I've learned, however, to use the 15 days they provide. It's not like a pro rated fee or rental where there's a fiscal benefit to a quick return. Slow down, use it for those two weeks.
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That's a fair assessment. From testing out an S20 Ultra, I wasn't impressed enough to upgrade from the Note 10+. While many of the upgrades are nice to have, there are no earth shattering changes. To be fair, phone technology has plateaued and it's going to take more than camera, screen and battery upgrades to get people spending $1000+, let alone $1400-1500. The Note 20 is going to need an under display front camera, an even bigger battery, more futuristic design or something to get people to upgrade.
Now I have friends who upgraded from S8/ Note 8 models and they're blown away by the improvement. It's become more practical to upgrade every 2+ years versus luxury upgrades every cycle.
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Exactly, I buy/try every one when it is brand new and this one just disappointed me overall. Note 20 better have under display camera and a better fingerprint sensor in display. Or just go back to old style
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I am returning mine because mainly because I cannot justify the difference between the 128 GB of the Ultra vs the S20+. The main difference between the two are the battery and camera. For me, the Ultra is simply TOO BIG, it's taller, wider and substantially heavier than what I am used to - coming from the S10+. S20+ is the ideal fit, especially since I really do not care for the camera specs honestly.
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Yup not worth it! Ultra is actually narrower then note 10 plus believe it or not. I don't mind the bulk just nothing to gain from it
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I got mine yesterday and have been testing the camera against my Pixel 3XL. I was hoping for a similar experience as the Pixel, but so far the results have been wildly inconsistent. Some of the photos are marginally better than the Pixel, but many are much worse, especially when it comes to white balance in low light and extremely over done color saturation in others.
Similar to OP, I love the screen, processor and battery. It's a shame the camera is dragging it down for me. I'll probably take a look at it again in a few months and see if any updates have made significant improvements to the camera.
Oh, I also tried out one of the GCam ports and saw little to no improvement over the stock camera.
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Yeah the pixel is always a beast in the camera dept. The night mode on the ultra seemed too bright like I still want my night shots to look dark just with detail if that makes sense
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My only gripe which I can agree with you on is the camera's autofocus. There is a firmware update inbound which is supposed to fix this. This should not be a launch issue.
As for the UI, I disagree. I think it's perfectly responsive. It may be the update to 2.1 for you. I've only ever had 2.x on my Samsung devices so I can't comment from that respect.
Those are of course your impressions and opinion and as such I'm not saying your wrong just that it's not that way in my point of view.
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So the UI like messages and you hit reply and then send and it kinda sticks there. On old one ui it was instant. You would have to have both side by side honestly to be able to tell like I did. I replied to a few facebook messages on ultra and was like that felt odd. Then did on note and was like wow it is faster
cpufrost said:
In the past I've returned things less than a day of ownership because of burning issues. I've learned, however, to use the 15 days they provide. It's not like a pro rated fee or rental where there's a fiscal benefit to a quick return. Slow down, use it for those two weeks.
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Nope already gone. Boxed up by 8 am and ready to roll. I will spend my money elsewhere
I upgraded from the S9+ and the camera from the S10+ blew me away, hence why I got the S20 Ultra, also 2 year cycle
Jomari29 said:
I upgraded from the S9+ and the camera from the S10+ blew me away, hence why I got the S20 Ultra, also 2 year cycle
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But did the ultra camera blow you away like going from S9 to S10?
oneandroidnut said:
But did the ultra camera blow you away like going from S9 to S10?
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Tbh no, I get what you mean, I didn't have the same feel like how it was upgrading from s7 to s9,
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In the past I've returned things less than a day of ownership because of burning issues. I've learned, however, to use the 15 days they provide. It's not like a pro rated fee or rental where there's a fiscal benefit to a quick return. Slow down, use it for those two weeks.
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But how long are you going to wait for a patch that "maybe" fixes things? 14 days = maybe if we're lucky one software update.
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Tbh no, I get what you mean, I didn't have the same feel like how it was upgrading from s7 to s9,
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Yeah exactly. Honestly I don't tell a big difference anymore when you upgrade to every flagship but from s10+ to note 10+ it felt like an improvement and gained some things. Now it feels like I am losing more things then I am gaining from note 10+ to Ultra
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But how long are you going to wait for a patch that "maybe" fixes things? 14 days = maybe if we're lucky one software update.
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Exactly, mine is gone already. Not playing that waiting game. My note 10+ on android pie is butter to me right now and will be sticking around for at least a few more months until Ultra is fixed or new note is out
People are whining about the price when the iphone 11 pro is $1449 and nobody bats an eye.
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People are whining about the price when the iphone 11 pro is $1449 and nobody bats an eye.
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11 Pro Max 512GB is $1449.
512GB Ultra is $1599.
Both are very expensive!
IMHO, for the price of $1599 there should be a slim case in the box, 45W charger, 1TB storage and ceramic back! I get it, 5G is adding to the cost and for a lot of us is like paying for tits on a bull!
Wait until the iPhone 12 with 5G comes out. Figure on adding $200-300 EXTRA.
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People are whining about the price when the iphone 11 pro is $1449 and nobody bats an eye.
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That is not 5G though, wait until this year. Bet it is $1400+ for the base
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11 Pro Max 512GB is $1449.
512GB Ultra is $1599.
Both are very expensive!
IMHO, for the price of $1599 there should be a slim case in the box, 45W charger, 1TB storage and ceramic back! I get it, 5G is adding to the cost and for a lot of us is like paying for tits on a bull!
Wait until the iPhone 12 with 5G comes out. Figure on adding $200-300 EXTRA.
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I agree. Ceramic is needed at this price point and a 1tb option for sure!!!
I got my ultra two days ago and have to say i am very disappointed in the camera system. With how much physical size it takes up you'd think it was going to be something of quality, but largely it is not. The autofocus issues are not being overstated - sitting at my computer desk it refuses to focus on the keyboard three feet in front of me. My s10+ on the other hand has no issues getting focus rapidly.
The screen is amazing but I am underwhelmed by the 120hz. The way people talk about it, you'd think it was the best thing since sliced bread. While it is noticable during very slow scrolling, normal scrolling looks basically the same as on my s10. The one noticeable difference is with the responsiveness to touch which i gather is from the 240 sampling rate.
The fingerprint scanner is identical in performance to s10.
The increased weight and size of the phone actually helps it to feel more premium and it's not difficult to handle. The screen is considerably more narrow than note 10+ which I do like - the wide-ness of the n10+ was cumbersome.
I love how the screen edges are nearly flat, gives it more usable space.
I have already contacted samsung and made it clear that if an update isn't imminent that fixes the camera performance, I will have no choice but to return..it just doesn't make sense to trade in my still-perfect s10+ and spend nearly $900 on an unfinished product...which is how the ultra feels at this point.
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I got my ultra two days ago and have to say i am very disappointed in the camera system. With how much physical size it takes up you'd think it was going to be something of quality, but largely it is not. The autofocus issues are not being overstated - sitting at my computer desk it refuses to focus on the keyboard three feet in front of me. My s10+ on the other hand has no issues getting focus rapidly.
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Mmmhmm, goes in and out of focus. Even if you tap to focus you have to practically do a shot right then or it's back to in and out again.
And I just did a 108MP photo of my cat in so-so light. Not really impressed. The only thing decent I'll say is the 5x & 10x zoom. Doesn't make up for the other issues though.
Swimguy14 said:
I got my ultra two days ago and have to say i am very disappointed in the camera system. With how much physical size it takes up you'd think it was going to be something of quality, but largely it is not. The autofocus issues are not being overstated - sitting at my computer desk it refuses to focus on the keyboard three feet in front of me. My s10+ on the other hand has no issues getting focus rapidly.
The screen is amazing but I am underwhelmed by the 120hz. The way people talk about it, you'd think it was the best thing since sliced bread. While it is noticable during very slow scrolling, normal scrolling looks basically the same as on my s10. The one noticeable difference is with the responsiveness to touch which i gather is from the 240 sampling rate.
The fingerprint scanner is identical in performance to s10.
The increased weight and size of the phone actually helps it to feel more premium and it's not difficult to handle. The screen is considerably more narrow than note 10+ which I do like - the wide-ness of the n10+ was cumbersome.
I love how the screen edges are nearly flat, gives it more usable space.
I have already contacted samsung and made it clear that if an update isn't imminent that fixes the camera performance, I will have no choice but to return..it just doesn't make sense to trade in my still-perfect s10+ and spend nearly $900 on an unfinished product...which is how the ultra feels at this point.
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Agreed on all points except I prefer the wider note 10+ screen but yes everything else is spot on
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Mmmhmm, goes in and out of focus. Even if you tap to focus you have to practically do a shot right then or it's back to in and out again.
And I just did a 108MP photo of my cat in so-so light. Not really impressed. The only thing decent I'll say is the 5x & 10x zoom. Doesn't make up for the other issues though.
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exactly is that worth $800-1400 over your current device?