Got my OP5 yesterday, just used it for less than a day but I think I am returning it... The following are the issues I have:
1. Wifi hotspot not working with Echo Dot. It can connect but can't play any music.
2. Battery life is not at all impressive... I started using it this morning at around 8am, and by noon it's down to 50%... That's my normal usage... kind of disappointing.
3. Picture quality not impressive... and don't like the camera app that much. Also saw that 4K video is very shaky without OIS.
So, maybe hang on to it for a few days before sending it back... Who else is returning?
BTW, what is the best way to ship it back (from San Diego to LA, I suppose)? I assume I need to pay for return shipment, and I probably want to have insurance to cover the cost of the device...
Contact OP to arrange a return. I have read on the forums that someone has already done this, and OP arranged a return label for the buyer.
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Contact OP to arrange a return. I have read on the forums that someone has already done this, and OP arranged a return label for the buyer.
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Thanks for the tips, just submit my RMA request.
namartlu said:
Got my OP5 yesterday, just used it for less than a day but I think I am returning it... The following are the issues I have:
1. Wifi hotspot not working with Echo Dot. It can connect but can't play any music.
2. Battery life is not at all impressive... I started using it this morning at around 8am, and by noon it's down to 50%... That's my normal usage... kind of disappointing.
3. Picture quality not impressive... and don't like the camera app that much. Also saw that 4K video is very shaky without OIS.
So, maybe hang on to it for a few days before sending it back... Who else is returning?
BTW, what is the best way to ship it back (from San Diego to LA, I suppose)? I assume I need to pay for return shipment, and I probably want to have insurance to cover the cost of the device...
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What phone did you use prior to OP5?
I think #1 will be resolved. #2 may need a little more time to determine battery longevity. 24-48 is not enough.
Camera will probably get better. Video on 4k is a lost cause. TBH, 4k on any phone camera right now is not worth it. Buy a real camera for solid 4k footage.
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Contact OP to arrange a return. I have read on the forums that someone has already done this, and OP arranged a return label for the buyer.
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What phone did you use prior to OP5?
I think #1 will be resolved. #2 may need a little more time to determine battery longevity. 24-48 is not enough.
Camera will probably get better. Video on 4k is a lost cause. TBH, 4k on any phone camera right now is not worth it. Buy a real camera for solid 4k footage.
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I come from Moto X Pure, need to charge the phone every now and then even when it is new, and recently the battery is dying, I just have someone replaced it and now it's working fine. I will play with it a few more days, but the hotspot thing I am using it daily so it's troublesome, and don't know when or if it will be fixed. The weird thing is that I could tether my ipad to it and get Youtube and stuff alright.
Haven't gotten mine yet but have a question on the hotspot issue. Is this the normal hotspot that you would share your connection with say a tablet ECT? or something different? I use my hotspot everyday mon-fri to watch vids on my tablet during lunch. is that functionally working? or is the problem just with the echo dot?
also just my 10 cents on the 4k video. I'm not a YouTube vlogger and have no need to do anything in 4k so that is a non-issue for me. And like said above, 24 hours it not enough for a battery test.
I came from a OP3, and might be sticking with it to be honest. Prior to my OP3, I had a LG G2 (D802).
If I do send the OP5 back, I might be considering the LG G6.
My order still hasn't been despatch, and we are now into day 3 passed the despatch date (as my order despatch date was/estimated for 23rd June!)
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What phone did you use prior to OP5?
I think #1 will be resolved. #2 may need a little more time to determine battery longevity. 24-48 is not enough.
Camera will probably get better. Video on 4k is a lost cause. TBH, 4k on any phone camera right now is not worth it. Buy a real camera for solid 4k footage.
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Haven't gotten mine yet but have a question on the hotspot issue. Is this the normal hotspot that you would share your connection with say a tablet ECT? or something different? I use my hotspot everyday mon-fri to watch vids on my tablet during lunch. is that functionally working? or is the problem just with the echo dot?
also just my 10 cents on the 4k video. I'm not a YouTube vlogger and have no need to do anything in 4k so that is a non-issue for me. And like said above, 24 hours it not enough for a battery test.
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The issue is very peculiar, affect only the Echo Dot, otherwise it seems ok. However my old phone Moto X Pure has no problem tethering my Echo Dot... I would think the WiFi Hotspot is a standard feature of the OS...
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I came from a OP3, and might be sticking with it to be honest. Prior to my OP3, I had a LG G2 (D802).
If I do send the OP5 back, I might be considering the LG G6.
My order still hasn't been despatch, and we are now into day 3 passed the despatch date (as my order despatch date was/estimated for 23rd June!)
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I like the fingerpint sensor in the front... LG G6 has it in the back. Actually the OP5 is very good in that regards, fingerprint sensor on home button, and then capacitive buttons for back and recent, saving some screen space, so although it's 5.5 inch, effectively it is comparable to my 5.7 inch Moto X Pure....
Just installed another system update... let me use it for a couple more days and see if I change my mind...
Got mine Saturday, I like it so far, only thing I will say is the edge from glass to frame doesn't seem smooth. I don't know if it's my phone of if they are all like it though.
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Got mine Saturday, I like it so far, only thing I will say is the edge from glass to frame doesn't seem smooth. I don't know if it's my phone of if they are all like it though.
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You do know there is a screen protector on it right and the screen is only 2D not 3D and I believe everyone's it like that it should look like the screen is a little bit tucked in the frame
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You do know there is a screen protector on it right and the screen is only 2D not 3D and I believe everyone's it like that it should look like the screen is a little bit tucked in the frame
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Yes the screen protector doesn't cover the whole glasss and it's the bit from the edge of glass to frame that just isn't smooth like the OP3T I have. It's almost like the glass is sunk too far in to the frame causing a slight lip to it.
I'm deciding whether or not to RMA mine; I am coming from OP 3 and the change isn't that large to warrant 589.00$ so far. I'll decide tomorrow.
I kind of like my OP5. But I come from OPO,s quite an update for me. :laugh:
I'm slightly surprised a few OP3 owners have upgraded to the OP5. Apart from the camera, I just can't see the reason for upgrading. Its not as if the OP3 is slow, has bad support or has a major hardware issue.
To the OP3 owners who have upgraded. Is there really that much difference? Is the difference worth the money?
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I'm slightly surprised a few OP3 owners have upgraded to the OP5. Apart from the camera, I just can't see the reason for upgrading. Its not as if the OP3 is slow, has bad support or has a major hardware issue.
To the OP3 owners who have upgraded. Is there really that much difference? Is the difference worth the money?
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I do not even see the need to upgrade for the camera.
Sure, a wider aperture sounds better in lowlight and the second sensor with zoom and portrait mode is a nice addition.
But apart from the camera reviews (some don't even sound that good), all comparison shots on the OP3 look as good, sometimes even better than the OP5. The sensor has the same size, so we still see the same slow shutter-speed in lowlight which will cause more blur due to handshake and the missing OIS. Even in daylight (especially with HDR) I've seen shots which were heavily postprocessed waterpaintings because of handshake.
This device certainly has less value for money compared to the OP3 back then. It's still affordable, but you basically get what you pay for.
If Samsung e.g. built a device with the same specs, it would probably not cost that much more after a short period of time.
namartlu said:
Got my OP5 yesterday, just used it for less than a day but I think I am returning it... The following are the issues I have:
1. Wifi hotspot not working with Echo Dot. It can connect but can't play any music.
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I had issues connecting PS3 controller to phone, I couldn't get it to work nor via BT nor via USB. It seems that they not included some drivers in OP5 kernel, so I installed first available custom kernel which seems to have all standard drivers and now I have no problems connecting PS3 controller via BT and USB. That may be can solve your problem too and other problems related to connecting to external devices.
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I do not even see the need to upgrade for the camera.
Sure, a wider aperture sounds better in lowlight and the second sensor with zoom and portrait mode is a nice addition.
But apart from the camera reviews (some don't even sound that good), all comparison shots on the OP3 look as good, sometimes even better than the OP5. The sensor has the same size, so we still see the same slow shutter-speed in lowlight which will cause more blur due to handshake and the missing OIS. Even in daylight (especially with HDR) I've seen shots which were heavily postprocessed waterpaintings because of handshake.
This device certainly has less value for money compared to the OP3 back then. It's still affordable, but you basically get what you pay for.
If Samsung e.g. built a device with the same specs, it would probably not cost that much more after a short period of time.
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Yea, I compared 3T and 5 photos and 3T has way more details even in low light. OP5 details are all watercolored. I see no point in upgrading from OP3T. But as I come from Galaxy S4 I will probably keep mine OP5.
Coming from the oneplus 3 I can honestly say it's an improvement, loving the oneplus 5.
Related
http://software2tech.com/2012/02/26...echnology-to-android-smartphones-galaxy-beam/
http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-13970_7-10011428.html?tag=mncol
Seems cool but its such a niche market they are targeting.
Probably more than likely targeted for the Asian/Korean market. They had a previous model by the same or similar name last year.
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Well they called the Note a niche, now it seems pretty popular. But yeah this one will be niche, I don't care, if its not overpriced I will get it. Bigger screen is always a welcome.
I predict future phones will all have projecting ability.
didnt they release this phone like 2 years ago ?
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found it
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8520_galaxy_beam-3150.php
released july 2010
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didnt they release this phone like 2 years ago ?
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LG released a projector phone a couple of years back.
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Well they called the Note a niche, now it seems pretty popular. But yeah this one will be niche, I don't care, if its not overpriced I will get it. Bigger screen is always a welcome.
I predict future phones will all have projecting ability.
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The screen is only 4", but you're probably talking about the projected image. But if you're thinking the projected image is going to look even remotely good enough to "enjoy" you're fooling yourself - 15 lumens is pretty weak. And on top of that battery life is probably going to be dismal, other features will definitely be removed or skimped on to make room for the projector (and to keep the cost down), and Samsung will abandon this thing update-wise faster than you can say "Samsung will abandon this thing update-wise". For all those reasons I wouldn't touch this thing with a 10' pole. The more I think about it, you have yourself a recipe for the worst phone of 2012 brewing in this thing.
This video was filmed at MWC2012 at Barcelona.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB3cFLvn9uQ
You can see the main functions and the projector. I am here for any questions.
Interesting concept but projector quality and battery life are probably lacking.
Hey!
I have used the phone for a week now and it's absolutely amazing! Here's a video review I made. I apologize for the bad quality in the dark shots, but my cameras are too average to handle it. I can assure you the image is crisp clear in complete dark rooms, but in even the slightest light you loose details and sharpness, and as you can see in my video, in the evening (it was 7 pm), you can't see a thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL3kEi40aBs
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Hey!
I have used the phone for a week now and it's absolutely amazing! Here's a video review I made. I apologize for the bad quality in the dark shots, but my cameras are too average to handle it. I can assure you the image is crisp clear in complete dark rooms, but in even the slightest light you loose details and sharpness, and as you can see in my video, in the evening (it was 7 pm), you can't see a thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL3kEi40aBs
Feel free to ask questions
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Very cool :] Thanks!
floiancu said:
Hey!
I have used the phone for a week now and it's absolutely amazing! Here's a video review I made. I apologize for the bad quality in the dark shots, but my cameras are too average to handle it. I can assure you the image is crisp clear in complete dark rooms, but in even the slightest light you loose details and sharpness, and as you can see in my video, in the evening (it was 7 pm), you can't see a thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL3kEi40aBs
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how was the battery life on it, is it for like a short time use on battery? or can you play an entire movie?
It can go a full 5h on one charge, so they say, but i have never tried to drain the battery on the projector only. What's more, you get a second battery you can charge independently and simultaneously so watching a full movie is a piece of cake. As far as a smartphone goes, it uses the battery fairly ok, you can easily get more than an entire day on 3g, wifi and others.
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The screen is only 4", but you're probably talking about the projected image. But if you're thinking the projected image is going to look even remotely good enough to "enjoy" you're fooling yourself - 15 lumens is pretty weak. And on top of that battery life is probably going to be dismal, other features will definitely be removed or skimped on to make room for the projector (and to keep the cost down), and Samsung will abandon this thing update-wise faster than you can say "Samsung will abandon this thing update-wise". For all those reasons I wouldn't touch this thing with a 10' pole. The more I think about it, you have yourself a recipe for the worst phone of 2012 brewing in this thing.
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I have used the phone for a month now. I considered getting it for its battery life more than for its projector. The price is as expected if you consider that pico projectors cost ~£70 on ebay. Nevertheless I am so pissed off with any smartphone's battery life in general that I would easily pay £70 to get one that gives best possible.
This phone has 4" and 2 batteries with 2000miliamphours close to SGSIII or the new google nexus that have much bigger screen. So if I don't use the projector but every thing else turned on 24/7, Wifi, 3G, live wallpaper, skype, steam, 6 im+ accounts and normal to heavy use, I can get 2 days without charging AND having the 2nd battery that comes in the box for another 2 days.
I was expecting the projector to be nothing more than a gimmick and not good as it actually is! With flash support I can stream live tv on my wall or ceiling. I had to craft a base for it from a little box so that it can stay upright and charge at the same time. Sure it needs to be dark but for the times of the day that i wanted to use it, darkness was not a problem. Even in daytime thought, I can use a A4 sheet of paper across the desk from where its charging and play videos or tv shows as an additional 10-12" screen on my desktop.
So your assumption about battery life, sorry to say but it is false. The battery life on this phone is one of the best out there, just because they needed to do so to support the projector. The projector is a feature more than it is a gimmick and it has proven useful for me on every day use.
Cons:
-I've only heard announcements for official upgrade to JB but I haven't received one yet. Still running GingerBread.
-no 3rd party support for roms and kernels, yet., I am missing features such as USB-OTG and overclocking. Barely a rooting guide exists.
-no dedicated XDA forum for GT-I8530
-stock prevents me from using the projector while gps is locating.. (not a yuge problem imo, just annoyance)
Overall the phone is a WIN situation for me. Official or 3rd party support is a matter of time.
Why is there no XDA forum for it? They should start turning op pretty cheap on ebay and with the projector it's an obvious candidate for custom applications.
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Why is there no XDA forum for it? They should start turning op pretty cheap on ebay and with the projector it's an obvious candidate for custom applications.
- Smint
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General discussion > About xda-developers.com > *** New Device Forum Requests ***
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38333050
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...-googles-nexus-6-really-big-really-beautiful/
Ps author also confirmed in the posts that due to NDAs no blog is allowed to post reviews yet... That's why every "hands on" looks the same so far.
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rubi76 said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...-googles-nexus-6-really-big-really-beautiful/
Ps author also confirmed in the posts that due to NDAs no blog is allowed to post reviews yet... That's why every "hands on" looks the same so far.
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now it's just a matter of waiting and expecting good results. so hoping for awesome battery test scores, even though i'm sure the phone will do just as good as the others.
That white color looks so nice. But they said it was matte, which means that it will be more prone to staining.. Ah, I'll probably get white anyways. It looks too good!
rubi76 said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...-googles-nexus-6-really-big-really-beautiful/
Ps author also confirmed in the posts that due to NDAs no blog is allowed to post reviews yet... That's why every "hands on" looks the same so far.
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Until when? Does the NDA forbid video demonstrations of the speakers & brightness slider? Reviews (without some more objective metrics) are just subjective thoughts, what's the difference between first impressions & preliminary review?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/help/sound-quality-volume-t2925203#post56436133
I've been subject to Google NDAs before product release but preorders happened on 10/29 & it's November already..hopefully these NDAs will allow for more before Nov 12..:good:
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now it's just a matter of waiting and expecting good results. so hoping for awesome battery test scores, even though i'm sure the phone will do just as good as the others.
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Now that the double speakers stereo sound is a checkmark, bedside the battery (I agree with you the phone battery will do fine..) the big one is the camera...
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrymagid/2014/11/01/hands-on-with-googles-nexus-6/ makes it all more clear:
My Nexus 6 review unit arrived yesterday and after a day of testing, I can say that it compares well against the iPhone 6 Plus. Google isn’t allowing reviewers to publish full-scale reviews until November 12th, but is permitting “first impressions.”..
The full article also reasonably addresses first impressions of screen and sound quality ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56436133&postcount=3 ) well & includes a solid (albeit likely not its full resolution) photo of the author's dog.
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Until when? Does the NDA forbid video demonstrations of the speakers & brightness slider? Reviews (without some more objective metrics) are just subjective thoughts, what's the difference between first impressions & preliminary review?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/help/sound-quality-volume-t2925203#post56436133
I've been subject to Google NDAs before product release but preorders happened on 10/29 & it's November already..hopefully these NDAs will allow for more before Nov 12..:good:
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrymagid/2014/11/01/hands-on-with-googles-nexus-6/ makes it all more clear:
My Nexus 6 review unit arrived yesterday and after a day of testing, I can say that it compares well against the iPhone 6 Plus. Google isn’t allowing reviewers to publish full-scale reviews until November 12th, but is permitting “first impressions.”..
The full article also reasonably addresses first impressions of screen and sound quality ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56436133&postcount=3 ) well & includes a solid (albeit likely not its full resolution) photo of the author's dog.
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AGH! Failed at focusing!
Ngo93 said:
That white color looks so nice. But they said it was matte, which means that it will be more prone to staining.. Ah, I'll probably get white anyways. It looks too good!
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I generally dislike white phones with a passion... Usually it is because the front is also white which looks terrible IMHO for viewing video etc... I'm totally with you, the nexus 6 looks amazing in white! It will be my first white phone, by choice!
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AGH! Failed at focusing!
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From that one image, it's true not everything is in focus like many Note 4 images I've seen posted online that seem to make all distances extra sharp but I'm used to tap to focus on what I want in focus & otherwise looks fine but it's just one image with what I assume is a default auto-focus setting on a dog that looks close which could likely benefit from a focus tap.
Regarding the cloud white color, I do agree it's a nice white since the bezel is still black & seems to make the handset look thinner from the side but perhaps wider-larger from the back so I'm still leaning toward Midnight Blue even if its blue rim looks a bit too purple in photos. I always put a case on my handsets likely start with http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OH4I2IC/
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From that one image, it's true not everything is in focus like many Note 4 images I've seen posted online that seem to make all distances extra sharp but I'm used to tap to focus on what I want in focus & otherwise looks fine but it's just one image with what I assume is a default auto-focus setting on a dog that looks close which could likely benefit from a focus tap.
Regarding the cloud white color, I do agree it's a nice white since the bezel is still black & seems to make the handset look thinner from the side but perhaps wider-larger from the back so I'm still leaning toward Midnight Blue even if its blue rim looks a bit too purple in photos. I always put a case on my handsets likely start with http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OH4I2IC/
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Oh yes of course! I meant to say the reviewer took a poor photo.
Update: After some confusion over the seemingly inconsistent tap-to-wake functionality, I reached out to Google for official confirmation and was informed that the Nexus 6 does not include tap-to-wake functionality. It would seem my review unit responded to tap-to-wake simply because of the very slight motion caused by tapping the device, not because it's an actual feature of the device.
That said, the lift-to-wake functionality works and nearly obviates the power button. Without the Moto X's extreme sensitivity though, you'll likely still find yourself hitting that little textured button.
Also, wireless charging is present. I don't own the Nexus charging pad (only the charging orb from the Nexus 4 era) so I can't comment on how well the device sticks to the pad's magnets, only that magnets do seem to grab specifically around the Nexus logo. I can say however that the device is very nearly too big to use the orb, and its rounded back keeps the Nexus 6 from quite hanging on. This isn't too shocking for a years-old accessory that wasn't designed with the N6 in mind, though.
I haven't had much time to really put the device through its paces in terms of battery, gaming, etc., but I'll be working on that for the full review.
Was looking forward to tap and wake. Oh well, who cares. It's an awesome phone, spec wise.
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Update: After some confusion over the seemingly inconsistent tap-to-wake functionality, I reached out to Google for official confirmation and was informed that the Nexus 6 does not include tap-to-wake functionality. It would seem my review unit responded to tap-to-wake simply because of the very slight motion caused by tapping the device, not because it's an actual feature of the device.
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Boo now I'm really bummed , tap to wake and tap to sleep is so convenient :crying:
I'm not convinced that tap to wake makes sense with the ambient display feature.
Chad_Petree said:
Boo now I'm really bummed , tap to wake and tap to sleep is so convenient :crying:
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I am hoping a custom kernel might give us this feature since SD805 supports this (LG G3 uses same chip and has this feature).
I know the N6 supports Qi charging, but have any of the sites that have given their first impressions mentioned whether the N6 has the magnets inside to hold the phone on the wireless charger like the N5 has?
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I know the N6 supports Qi charging, but have any of the sites that have given their first impressions mentioned whether the N6 has the magnets inside to hold the phone on the wireless charger like the N5 has?
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"I can't comment on how well the device sticks to the pad's magnets, only that magnets do seem to grab specifically around the Nexus logo"
The reviewer seems to hint that the N6 has indeed magnets... at least that's the way I read it... I would love to have other reviewers confirm though...
rubi76 said:
"I can't comment on how well the device sticks to the pad's magnets, only that magnets do seem to grab specifically around the Nexus logo"
The reviewer seems to hint that the N6 has indeed magnets... at least that's the way I read it... I would love to have other reviewers confirm though...
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Whoops. Not quite sure how I missed that, as I did read the Android Police article. Thanks!
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"I can't comment on how well the device sticks to the pad's magnets, only that magnets do seem to grab specifically around the Nexus logo"
The reviewer seems to hint that the N6 has indeed magnets... at least that's the way I read it... I would love to have other reviewers confirm though...
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That's how I read it. They are there.
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videos can be posted in this thread (no need for 30 different YT threads)
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Lets enjoy the input of others regarding their point of view.
Not all points of view may represent your thoughts, so please do not disrespect the views of others
PhoneArena's video review:
My quick 2-cents on this device thus far....
Pros:
- Build quality is ecstatic for such a low price. Very sturdy and no creaks.
- The screen is absolutely gorgeous. I've been using a G2 and I've enjoyed it's IPS display, but I think this Idol 3's trumps it. It's brighter and colors seem to pop out more. Can't rave enough about the screen.
- The external speakers are absolutely loud and crisp. I honestly think it's really close to the quality the HTC M series have... If the M9's speakers are a 10/10, I'd have to give the Idol 3's an 8/10. They're that good.
- Speed wise, things seem fast. I don't game much on my phone, and if I do it's those simple mobile games, but everyday tasks will fare just fine on this device.
- Love the almost stock Android feel!
Cons:
- While I love the build quality, the back plate has a very cheap feel/look to it. Though it's not really a complaint since I expected it. Granted, I'm not really the type to care about build materials but I know it matters to a lot of people. As long as the phone is sturdy, I'm happy. (My dream would be if dbrand made skins for this phone)
- Not a fan of the Alcatel Launcher or it's icon pack. (Nova FTW)
- Camera is so-so. Seems to be on par with my G2's camera, which isn't bad by any means, just not the best.... but then again, for the $199 that I paid for it, how can this be a con... right?
- For the life of me I can't get the double tap to wake feature to work... Does anyone know if it's something I have to enable in settings? I've tried to look and can't find anything. Thanks
- Can't think of any other con at the moment... I'll edit this if I find more.
So far this device is an absolute steal at at $199! What have you guys thought so far?
Double tap to wake, go to settings and it's the first setting under "device" enable slider to double to wake.
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I have Nova Launcher installed and double tap does not work. Double tap does however work on the stock Alcatel skin. In the Nova Launcher settings you have to pay for the premium to get the double tap feature.
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I have Nova Launcher installed and double tap does not work. Double tap does however work on the stock Alcatel skin. In the Nova Launcher settings you have to pay for the premium to get the double tap feature.
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I've got nova prime running with double tap to wake and sleep working. You could always pin a "screen off/sleep" app to your home and tap it to sleep.
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I've got nova prime running with double tap to wake and sleep working. You could always pin a "screen off/sleep" app to your home and tap it to sleep.
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How do you apply double tap to wake and sleep via Nova? I don't see it in the Gesture settings within the app.
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How do you apply double tap to wake and sleep via Nova? I don't see it in the Gesture settings within the app.
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Assuming you have the paid version, nova prime. Download "screen off and lock" app from play store first. After installed, nova settings, gestures, assign screen off app to double tap gesture. Alternately, just double tap empty portion of screen while running nova as home and you will be prompted to allow screen off app to assume that gesture. Let me know if you get it, good luck!
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Assuming you have the paid version, nova prime. Download "screen off and lock" app from play store first. After installed, nova settings, gestures, assign screen off app to double tap gesture. Alternately, just double tap empty portion of screen while running nova as home and you will be prompted to allow screen off app to assume that gesture. Let me know if you get it, good luck!
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Perfect. Thanks man! Works great.
So far I'll mirror mackster's review, spot on! Nice phone and quick with great screen. I crushed it while installing my apps but it didn't get hot, just a little warm, which impressed me.
I'm worried about the camera. I took about 8 shots and so far not so good. Let me play with it for a couple days and I'll get back to you. I too was using a G2 the last few weeks after selling my G3. G2 camera has ois and was pretty decent. Idol 3 reminds me of nexus 5 cam, decent but only under ideal light, which is what all the pre release reviews said. G2 seems to get a sharper image in good light.
This really looks, feels, and behaves like a $600 phone from late 2013/early 2014 IMHO. I paid $199 and I'm worried about scratching or dropping it, then have to remind myself it cost a third of a flagship phone and I'm going to use and abuse it without all the anxiety that comes with a huge price tag. Probably slap a glass screen protector on it and a skin if available but that's it!
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So far I'll mirror mackster's review, spot on! Nice phone and quick with great screen. I crushed it while installing my apps but it didn't get hot, just a little warm, which impressed me.
I'm worried about the camera. I took about 8 shots and so far not so good. Let me play with it for a couple days and I'll get back to you. I too was using a G2 the last few weeks after selling my G3. G2 camera has ois and was pretty decent. Idol 3 reminds me of nexus 5 cam, decent but only under ideal light, which is what all the pre release reviews said. G2 seems to get a sharper image in good light.
This really looks, feels, and behaves like a $600 phone from late 2013/early 2014 IMHO. I paid $199 and I'm worried about scratching or dropping it, then have to remind myself it cost a third of a flagship phone and I'm going to use and abuse it without all the anxiety that comes with a huge price tag. Probably slap a glass screen protector on it and a skin if available but that's it!
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Same here! I planned on not using a case on this thing... but it's so damn thin that I may have to lol. It's just hard to hold due to how thin it is. I asked dbrand if they would make skins for this phone, and their reply was "maybe". So I'm holding out for dear hope that they are. Yeah, camera does seem a little bad. And you're right about the G2's camera in great lighting conditions, it really is well above average in that aspect.
As much as I love this phone (so far), Alcatel really blew it with the name lol. I hate the "idol" name and that font at the back of the phone. If dbrand makes skins for this, I'll be fully happy.
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So far I'll mirror mackster's review, spot on! Nice phone and quick with great screen. I crushed it while installing my apps but it didn't get hot, just a little warm, which impressed me. !
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Same here as well.No major issues using apps. Installed and used phone for awhile didn't get hot at all. Only performance issue I saw was closing many recent apps from recent app screen. Screen is nice and very bright. Blindingly bright. The speakers a loud and sound good. Also the sound out of the audio jack is very loud too which I'm happy about. I tried to use the stock launcher but I missed some features from Nova so I had to install Nova Prime. That's not a knock against Alcatel tho. Today I'm happy with it. We'll have to play around with it for awhile.
Guys, I'm struggling with this camera! Just did a series of comparison photos with my G2, one M8, and the idol 3. Indoor shots of my son with overcast light coming in windows behind me. Colors washed out and details soft and muddy. M8 had best color reproduction and G2 had best detail and sharpness. I switched to Google camera and results improved noticeably but not dramatically, with truer color and crisper images. I tried with and without "eis" electronic image stabilization enabled and didn't seem to make a difference. This could be a deal breaker for me but I'll keep trying, please post your results.
PS, t. Stark perhaps a photo thread is in order.
can u try camera mx or some others from appstore? been using it for sometime.
the sensor itself shouldnt be that much of a difference since its the same widely used i guess.
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gavolo said:
can u try camera mx or some others from appstore? been using it for sometime.
the sensor itself shouldnt be that much of a difference since its the same widely used i guess.
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I will try camera MX but hope to hear from others so I know it is or isn't a defect in my particular phone. Yes its that bad....
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I will try camera MX but hope to hear from others so I know it is or isn't a defect in my particular phone. Yes its that bad....
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Did you set it to 13 megapixels? I haven't done a comparison with my g2 yet. From the little pics I took. It seems okay.
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Did you set it to 13 megapixels? I haven't done a comparison with my g2 yet. From the little pics I took. It seems okay.
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Yep 13mp and played with settings. G2 has Xcam mod but still miles better. Will try and post pics later from PC.
Moved
my impressions after 2 days:
positives:
1. awesome battery life. i would guess 6+ hours screen time easy.
2. speakers are absolutely awesome.
3. the screen is very bright. wish we could reduce it (might give longer battery life to boot!).
4. no problems with wifi or other things like heat etc.
5. user experience is fast enough - better than nexus 4.
6. excellent build quality.
negatives:
1. camera (ok for the money)
2. need root desperately. to change DPI.
3. biggest negative - tmobile reception is like 10dB lower than nexus 4. at my work, where signal is poor, i used to get LTE with that phone, but now I can't. seriously thinking on returning this .
antutu 64bit score is 33000.
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3. biggest negative - tmobile reception is like 10dB lower than nexus 4. at my work, where signal is poor, i used to get LTE with that phone, but now I can't. seriously thinking on returning this .
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yes, I've noticed my reception has decreased significantly coming from my HTC One M7 and even the ZMAX is getting better LTE reception. I usually get full bars at home and work but i'm down to 2.
considering returning the phone also and trying out the zenfone 2 since i'm in an area where band 12 is being used by a public tv network and wont benefit me at all.
The production is flawless. I really like it. Here were my concerns before it arrived:
1) It would be defective (antenna showing, dust under the camera lens, etc.: *It was perfect, no blemishes.
2) WiFi calling wouldn't work (I don't use it but others said it wasn't working at all on their Sprint phones). *I had to go thru the setup twice and the second time it worked fine.
3) The screen would look washed out. *It's bright and vibrant. I wonder if the store model wasn't a production model.
4) The fingerprint scanner would be too annoying to reach. *This complaint is valid. It sort of defeats the purpose having it on the back when it's on my desk all day.
5) Battery life. *Haven't had it long enough to verify how good it is.
6) Laggy. *Nope, it's blazing fast.
7) Regretting not getting the S7 or S7 Edge. *No regrets yet, I love the price point on the G5.
Hope this is helpful, feel free to ask more questions.
Same here mate. Had the same concerns but mine its immense and blemish free. Funnily enough I had an s7 before this, and it doesn't even come close
That let me sleep so much better! My Pre-Ordered G5 is coming between the 15th and 18th April. I get a Silver One with free Cam Plus Module... Hope there are no building issues, I'm one of the First in Germany who gets one... :fingers-crossed:
Nice man. I wouldnt pay for cam plus i think but would have loved a free one. Hope its fun.
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Just got my G5 yesterday in UK and I have few issues The gap between the battery and device is un even on the right side and have some backlight bleed on top and bottom of the screen :crying:
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Nice man. I wouldnt pay for cam plus i think but would have loved a free one. Hope its fun.
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Gives at all 4000mah of Battery Size. That's really nice for free, and I love to take Photos with a Hardware Key like on the Xperias from Sony I'm really happy about my Pre-Order. But...
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Just got my G5 yesterday in UK and I have few issues The gap between the battery and device is un even on the right side and have some backlight bleed on top and bottom of the screen :crying:
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When I read this I could cry... UK is close to Germany... Can you give it back to get a new One? :fingers-crossed:
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Gives at all 4000mah of Battery Size. That's really nice for free, and I love to take Photos with a Hardware Key like on the Xperias from Sony I'm really happy about my Pre-Order. But...
When I read this I could cry... UK is close to Germany... Can you give it back to get a new One? :fingers-crossed:
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Yes but gonna trade for a different device don't want another G5 don't get me wrong it's a great phone but nothing special too many build issues for me and I believe there is no unlocked bootloader so this phone not for me will trade it for a S7 Edge performance wise exynos is way better and has a bigger batter
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Gives at all 4000mah of Battery Size. That's really nice for free, and I love to take Photos with a Hardware Key like on the Xperias from Sony I'm really happy about my Pre-Order. But...
When I read this I could cry... UK is close to Germany... Can you give it back to get a new One? :fingers-crossed:
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Dont worry about the gap. You have to look for it to care. And tru that about the greater battery and hardware button. Again, id be psyched if they'd thrown one in for me.
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Dont worry about the gap. You have to look for it to care. And tru that about the greater battery and hardware button. Again, id be psyched if they'd thrown one in for me.
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The gap isn't an issue but when you pay lots of money for something you'd expect better quality.. Anyways like I say it's a great phone can't knock the hardware just needs some small improvements/refinements and it'll be perfect :good:
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The gap isn't an issue but when you pay lots of money for something you'd expect better quality.. Anyways like I say it's a great phone can't knock the hardware just needs some small improvements/refinements and it'll be perfect :good:
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I picked up the Galaxy S7 Edge and I've been playing with it and comparing it to the G4. Camera photography is hit or miss. Obviously the G4 and G5 (since they have the same sensor specs) will capture more detail (16mpx vs 12mpx) but G5 will have better front facing camera, awesomely neat wide angel.
S7E has VERY good low light... I mean VERY good low light! Huge differences when I take night time shots!
But ... Samsung has its flaws as well. I'm not going to cancel my G5 pre-order, I want to get my hands on it. But Samsung S7E is def. a very good, long lasting device in terms of battery life - let's see how the G5 is in the end! If I get a flawed G5 I'll be disappointed, but I'll ask for another and if that one comes back flawed, I'll keep the S7E as my own personal device.
But I really hope it isn't as bad as some people say here.
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I picked up the Galaxy S7 Edge and I've been playing with it and comparing it to the G4. Camera photography is hit or miss. Obviously the G4 and G5 (since they have the same sensor specs) will capture more detail (16mpx vs 12mpx) but G5 will have better front facing camera, awesomely neat wide angel.
S7E has VERY good low light... I mean VERY good low light! Huge differences when I take night time shots!
But ... Samsung has its flaws as well. I'm not going to cancel my G5 pre-order, I want to get my hands on it. But Samsung S7E is def. a very good, long lasting device in terms of battery life - let's see how the G5 is in the end! If I get a flawed G5 I'll be disappointed, but I'll ask for another and if that one comes back flawed, I'll keep the S7E as my own personal device.
But I really hope it isn't as bad as some people say here.
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Yeah but the processing on g5 is hit and miss too so would be good to see some proper comparisons against S7E, As for battery on G5 I got 3-4 sot in less then 24hrs guess will improve over time but as of now not very impressed 2014 flagships can beat this lol, Just watch for Led backlight bleed if you have it you'll see on first boot or put a black image on screen and go in a dark room and check the corners and side lots of units got this fault, It's not a bad device I think with the right modules and some development i.e kernels etc should be a great phone but i'm digging the S7 way more feels amazing in the hand very premium <3 Plus the exynos chip is very optimised if you watch against the SD820 variant destroys it apart from gaming adreno gpu is boss Just the price of the S7E kills me lol
Not trying to push anyone away from the phone just my experience with it
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Yeah but the processing on g5 is hit and miss too so would be good to see some proper comparisons against S7E, As for battery on G5 I got 3-4 sot in less then 24hrs guess will improve over time but as of now not very impressed 2014 flagships can beat this lol, Just watch for Led backlight bleed if you have it you'll see on first boot or put a black image on screen and go in a dark room and check the corners and side lots of units got this fault, It's not a bad device I think with the right modules and some development i.e kernels etc should be a great phone but i'm digging the S7 way more feels amazing in the hand very premium <3 Plus the exynos chip is very optimised if you watch against the SD820 variant destroys it apart from gaming adreno gpu is boss Just the price of the S7E kills me lol
Not trying to push anyone away from the phone just my experience with it
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Price is only 45 euros more for the S7E here in Spain.
Camera is much worse than my G4 ...
Check these out:
Picture of my shoe, same distance. Color on the G4 is far more accurate. Detail is much higher (look at the button next to the shoe lace). I zoomed out of the G4 image to be able to be almost identical to the S7E picture.
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In the next picture, color on the S7E is SO washed out, it really changed what the wall looks like. Color is also VERY washed out. That is not a "blue sky"...
I'm very unimpressed with what Samsung offered in terms of well lit pictures.
On the other hand, here is a night shot. Samsung DESTROYED the G4, but then again, G4 is older... And S7E has better low light camera. Either way... Both were taken max aperture (10 sec for Samsung, 30 for LG), 50 ISO, both mounted on tripods. Also these are the best of maybe 4 or 5 images.
I hope this has helped anyone who is very happy with good shooters. I just think that Samsung doing a good job, but not compared to LG in most regular shots. Colors are washed out, details are missing, over sharpened.... Meh... Not impressed, honestly ... On the other hand, night shots are SUPERB on the Samsung, but this is only my 3rd time shooting at night - 99.999% of my shots are daytime or indoor. If the S7E had a better or same camera as the G5, I might have just kept it, but I know I'm going to return it after I test the G5 and S7E side by side (like this images). Best shooter (quality, speed, battery life) will be my next device
Oh, if people are interested, I can test out G4, G5 and S7E images. I have a bunch of G4 and S7E side by sides already, so if anyone wants them let me know and I can publish some information and details about them.
Thank you for the pictures, I would like to see more side by side comparisons if you please.
Have the g5 build quality is good but i do have backlight bleed
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I posted this in the real life review section as well but that kind of gets buried. The gcam from bsg(https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-bsg/) for the mi 8 works wonders on this thing. Takes camera quality from truly bad to right behind my pixel 2. i made a post on reddit where i posted a cropped comparison of stock v gcam v p2 in a lowly lit room of some carpet. Carpet is a good test just like grass for comparing fine details. https://www.reddit.com/r/razerphone/comments/9rv2ed/google_cam_port_quality_vs_stock_app_vs_pixel_2/ . Same results can be seen from the front facing camera as well its like razer isnt doing anything special with algorithms just if it takes a picture its good enough when the hardware is capable of so much more.
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I posted this in the real life review section as well but that kind of gets buried. The gcam from bsg(https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-bsg/) for the mi 8 works wonders on this thing. Takes camera quality from truly bad to right behind my pixel 2. i made a post on reddit where i posted a cropped comparison of stock v gcam v p2 in a lowly lit room of some carpet. Carpet is a good test just like grass for comparing fine details. https://www.reddit.com/r/razerphone/comments/9rv2ed/google_cam_port_quality_vs_stock_app_vs_pixel_2/ . Same results can be seen from the front facing camera as well its like razer isnt doing anything special with algorithms just if it takes a picture its good enough when the hardware is capable of so much more.
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Do you mind posting a few more pics if possible in different scenarios? Also, is the Gcam super slow or anything?
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Do you mind posting a few more pics if possible in different scenarios? Also, is the Gcam super slow or anything?
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I will definitely post more today and I'll leave them full sized as well instead of a cropped section. Right now the version I am using only works with hdr+ on so it takes maybe 1 second to save a photo. The trade off is well worth it but hopefully either an update to the port or a better one comes along so hdr+ off works too.
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Do you mind posting a few more pics if possible in different scenarios? Also, is the Gcam super slow or anything?
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i have posted some more pictures on the reddit thread i will be adding more pictures over time.
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i have posted some more pictures on the reddit thread i will be adding more pictures over time.
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Awesome, thanks man! The Gcam does make a huge difference. I'm excited about picking one up soon. I'm just holding off to be sure it can be rooted.
Thanks for the tip. Its a night and day difference using gcam vs the default cam.
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Thanks for the tip. Its a night and day difference using gcam vs the default cam.
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good to hear. I just wanted to try and get the word out that the camera is not actually as awful as all the reviews say it is. I mean yeah with the stock app the quality is awful in any scenario. With the gcam port it can keep up with my pixel 2 xl which is not a bad place to be. this phone is too good to be overlooked because people dont know about the google cam ports.
Just tested, massive difference. Appreciate you posting this!
Doesn't this thing have the same Sony sensor as the Pixel 3? If that's true, all of Google's fancy machine learning they did for that phone becomes pretty much directly applicable. So it would stand to reason this phone could benefit quite a lot more than others from GCam ports.
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Doesn't this thing have the same Sony sensor as the Pixel 3? If that's true, all of Google's fancy machine learning they did for that phone becomes pretty much directly applicable. So it would stand to reason this phone could benefit quite a lot more than others from GCam ports.
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Yeah this has the same imx363 that's in the pixel 3. The LG v40, Poco f1, mi 8 and others also have this sensor. Too bad no reviewers will review this with the gcam port.. instead they will keep telling everyone the camera is trash
It's a good first step, probably the most stable gcam on a Razer ever.
That being said, ZSL and Slow Motion do not work.
Can confirm major difference.
Confirmed. Major difference. Roll my eyes when people say the camera is "trash". Compared my OnePlus 6 to my Razer Phone 2 w/ gcam. Razer phone 2 looks better imo. Here are some pics.
Shooting in raw gives pretty decent results. Gcam doesn't seem to expose any pro settings though so I think I could do better.
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Yeah this has the same imx363 that's in the pixel 3. The LG v40, Poco f1, mi 8 and others also have this sensor. Too bad no reviewers will review this with the gcam port.. instead they will keep telling everyone the camera is trash
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it would be dumb if reviewers start doing that. And that would make the phone makers lazy. It the manufacturers work to make it a out of the box wonder, not a third party enthusiast who looks after it and makes it work the way it should.
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it would be dumb if reviewers start doing that. And that would make the phone makers lazy. It the manufacturers work to make it a out of the box wonder, not a third party enthusiast who looks after it and makes it work the way it should.
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The thing is the phone is being slammed for a bad camera. so people dont buy it thinking the camera is bad when its just the app. Reviews should make a side note can greatly improve the quality by trying a 3rd party. Your comment is like saying google chrome (or any other stock google app) sucks on a pixel device like there arent any alternatives to use instead. imagine reviews "the browser is laggy dont buy" then install firefox its fine. i know for a fact if i didnt know about google cam ports after watching reviews i probably would not have bought it or if i did i definitely would have returned it after seeing the trash first hand.
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The thing is the phone is being slammed for a bad camera. so people dont buy it thinking the camera is bad when its just the app. Reviews should make a side note can greatly improve the quality by trying a 3rd party. Your comment is like saying google chrome (or any other stock google app) sucks on a pixel device like there arent any alternatives to use instead. imagine reviews "the browser is laggy dont buy" then install firefox its fine. i know for a fact if i didnt know about google cam ports after watching reviews i probably would not have bought it or if i did i definitely would have returned it after seeing the trash first hand.
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While your idea fundamentally works, not everything is black and white. You are on XDA, and that itself says a lot about you. I can easily say that if you have doubt about something, you look it up on internet first then start talking with relatives about the doubt. There is a huge demographic who is not going to bother with all that nonsense. They will just buy a phone, go to play at the very best if something nags. They will keep complaining about it for the rest of their lives. Saying its software's fault is stupid. Don't you blame Sony for their unremarkable performance in camera department even though they have the top Sensors embedded in them?
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While your idea fundamentally works, not everything is black and white. You are on XDA, and that itself says a lot about you. I can easily say that if you have doubt about something, you look it up on internet first then start talking with relatives about the doubt. There is a huge demographic who is not going to bother with all that nonsense. They will just buy a phone, go to play at the very best if something nags. They will keep complaining about it for the rest of their lives. Saying its software's fault is stupid. Don't you blame Sony for their unremarkable performance in camera department even though they have the top Sensors embedded in them?
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I actually kind of agree with this. Messing with modded apks is probably beyond like 70-80% of users and it's actually kind of dangerous the less you know what you're doing. I know for a fact I can squeeze the best out of hardware I buy, but I wouldn't be able to recommend this phone on camera performance to anyone else. Especially when they can just buy a Pixel 3.
A good point though is that unlike with the previous Razer phone there is at least no hardware limit. This means Razer has massive headroom to improve their software for a better out of the box experience. And since this device is their only shot currently, they're kind of obliged to not give up. Unfortunately it means waiting.
CurtisMJ said:
I actually kind of agree with this. Messing with modded apks is probably beyond like 70-80% of users and it's actually kind of dangerous the less you know what you're doing. I know for a fact I can squeeze the best out of hardware I buy, but I wouldn't be able to recommend this phone on camera performance to anyone else. Especially when they can just buy a Pixel 3.
A good point though is that unlike with the previous Razer phone there is at least no hardware limit. This means Razer has massive headroom to improve their software for a better out of the box experience. And since this device is their only shot currently, they're kind of obliged to not give up. Unfortunately it means waiting.
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thats why i say they can mention something like "if you want to fiddle and understand some risk you can greatly improve it if not get something else" instead of flatly condemning it. I sadly dont have hopes of razer improving the cam quality would be nice if they did. Everyone had hopes of essential fixing their cam quality after them saying they would... nope didnt happen. And yeah no i wouldnt recommend it to anyone for camera performance unless i know they are capable to know the risks and whatnot when it comes to a modded apk.
arc_knight said:
While your idea fundamentally works, not everything is black and white. You are on XDA, and that itself says a lot about you. I can easily say that if you have doubt about something, you look it up on internet first then start talking with relatives about the doubt. There is a huge demographic who is not going to bother with all that nonsense. They will just buy a phone, go to play at the very best if something nags. They will keep complaining about it for the rest of their lives. Saying its software's fault is stupid. Don't you blame Sony for their unremarkable performance in camera department even though they have the top Sensors embedded in them?
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i kind of sounded like an ass with my reply didnt mean to. i just mean they can mention something like "if you want to fiddle and understand some risk you can greatly improve it if not get something else" instead of flatly condemning it. to be honest i always forget sonys exist and that one i never understood but they deserve the flak since they make the sensors and have a camera division so thats kind of a different thing. i give razer some slack for having a crap camera app since they are relatively new to this. Sony doesnt deserve any slack. razers ceo and his "top engineers" as he calls them do need to step it up not easy but it can happen. And it technically is the software at fault just saying. They can fix it and everything will be good in the world or they can leave it like its current rotten potato state.