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Disadvantages of rooting?

Hi there, I'm no new to development, but haven't played with a phone in a while.
Can someone please tell me what the disadvantages of rooting the Nexus 6p are?
My plan is to get root access only to use specific apps (eg greenify) but not to install a new ROM, i.e. I'll stay with stock.
Does this affect:
-Applicability of OTA updates from Google
-ability to use the fingerprint reader
-warranty claims
-speed/stability of the device?
Thanks in advance!

qwertyuiop89 said:
Hi there, I'm no new to development, but haven't played with a phone in a while.
Can someone please tell me what the disadvantages of rooting the Nexus 6p are?
My plan is to get root access only to use specific apps (eg greenify) but not to install a new ROM, i.e. I'll stay with stock.
Does this affect:
-Applicability of OTA updates from Google
-ability to use the fingerprint reader
-warranty claims
-speed/stability of the device?
Thanks in advance!
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-OTA are not possible when rooted. You have to flash back stock boot.img and recovery.img to accept an OTA.
-It does not interfere with Nexus Imprint (Fingerprint reader.)
-Does not affect speed or stability
-Warranty is not affected because you can flash stock imgs and relock bootloader.

You can take OTA's if you do the systemless-root. I believe you would have to flash the recovery back to stock, though.

I think you have to flash boot as well since it's modified.

the biggest disadvantage is your device become instantly awesome, so if you are used to being annoyed about the stock OS missing features this is hard to deal with
But honestly the best thing about owning a nexus is you can root and easily go back to stock if you change your mind. The flash images are also easily available for updates (even before the OTA is out). So play with it, and worst case you can always restore back to stock.

currently my only disadvantage to me is loosing android pay...
yea i know i can make it work if i delete /su/xbin... but i feel like its there for a reason and i shouldnt be deleting it.

chaco81 said:
currently my only disadvantage to me is loosing android pay...
yea i know i can make it work if i delete /su/xbin... but i feel like its there for a reason and i shouldnt be deleting it.
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Supersu 2.61 does systemless root ootb. No need to delete anything. Systemless root will just work and Android Pay will just work.

83097markcynt said:
Supersu 2.61 does systemless root ootb. No need to delete anything. Systemless root will just work and Android Pay will just work.
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i have been using systemless root since v 2.61... im using 2.66 now
and android pay didnt work, and even wont pass safetynet test
delete the /su/xbin folder and it passes safetynet and android pay works...
so yes, for me it sucks that i have delete that to make AP to work... which is why for now i am giving up AP since i dont feel comfortable deleting xbin and breaking stuff

Mine passes safetynet test and is just systemless with nothing deleted. No Android Pay in the UK to test it with though.

Not being awesome.

Not living in the exciting XDA fast lane!

Can I use Xposed with systemless root?

Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!

dimiboy said:
Can I use Xposed with systemless root?
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Yes mate you can works perfectly well
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qwertyuiop89 said:
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
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lol this seems to happen when you root and install Xposed or pretty much modify anything. Usually I see a decrease in stability and battery life but an increase in performance, and you get to play with new features early.
I'm contemplating rooting just to use the new launcher.

qwertyuiop89 said:
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
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You have a couple of things going on.
First root IS as safe as you let it be. If you haven't installed any root applications it should not be any more buggy than stock.
You have installed Xposed. You have not mentioned what modules you have.
I don't have any issues you describe but I don't have a lot of modules installed.
I am stock with Xposed and root.

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Device is rooted and verified with root checker, Amplify says not rooted. Help?

Hey guys, sorry if I'm posting to the wrong thread. When using Amplify on my rooted 6p on marshmallow, I had no issues with it. App was running fine. After upgrading to nougat and rooting my phone, the app says that my device is not rooted. However, root checker says my device is rooted and all my other root apps (greenify, titanium back up, kernel adiuter etc) all work fine. Any ideas as to why Amplify says that my phone isn't rooted?

youarescientist said:
Hey guys, sorry if I'm posting to the wrong thread. When using Amplify on my rooted 6p on marshmallow, I had no issues with it. App was running fine. After upgrading to nougat and rooting my phone, the app says that my device is not rooted. However, root checker says my device is rooted and all my other root apps (greenify, titanium back up, kernel adiuter etc) all work fine. Any ideas as to why Amplify says that my phone isn't rooted?
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Have you set all required permissions for amplify? Some apps just don't ask on MM and N.

youarescientist said:
Hey guys, sorry if I'm posting to the wrong thread. When using Amplify on my rooted 6p on marshmallow, I had no issues with it. App was running fine. After upgrading to nougat and rooting my phone, the app says that my device is not rooted. However, root checker says my device is rooted and all my other root apps (greenify, titanium back up, kernel adiuter etc) all work fine. Any ideas as to why Amplify says that my phone isn't rooted?
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Isn't Amplify an Xposed module? Xposed doesn't work yet on 7.0.
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Amplify is an Xposed module and Xposed is not on Android 7 yet, if ever.. Also I noticed if you have your root in "system-less" mode it can cause this problem with amplify.

Nexus 6P Android Pay and MODs

Hi all, I recently bought this device and am in love with it.
I really want to get into rooting and customize the heck out of it but I also really love Android Pay. I've heard of the Magisk way to root, but I was wondering how much of an effect it would have on the mods I'd want to try out.
For example, I want to somehow get DT2W working on this device, but obviously that requires root and maybe a custom recovery.
My question is, if I use Magisk will that somehow mess with my DT2W mod (or any of my other mods for that matter) when I try to use Android Pay?
TIA!

Okaham said:
Hi all, I recently bought this device and am in love with it.
I really want to get into rooting and customize the heck out of it but I also really love Android Pay. I've heard of the Magisk way to root, but I was wondering how much of an effect it would have on the mods I'd want to try out.
For example, I want to somehow get DT2W working on this device, but obviously that requires root and maybe a custom recovery.
My question is, if I use Magisk will that somehow mess with my DT2W mod (or any of my other mods for that matter) when I try to use Android Pay?
TIA!
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Magisk is literally the flock of a switch so it should matter much about going from root to unroot. Just keep rooted and then when pay is needed, flock the switch in magisk. You can even program an NFC tag to do it for you using Tasker or other program.
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Jammol said:
Magisk is literally the flock of a switch so it should matter much about going from root to unroot. Just keep rooted and then when pay is needed, flock the switch in magisk. You can even program an NFC tag to do it for you using Tasker or other program.
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Awesome thanks! But if I installed a custom kernel, would that be able to pass through Google's SafetyNet checks?

Okaham said:
Awesome thanks! But if I installed a custom kernel, would that be able to pass through Google's SafetyNet checks?
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Works for me with the ElementalX kernel. Obviously YMMV but it seems like it should work.

smartgid said:
Works for me with the ElementalX kernel. Obviously YMMV but it seems like it should work.
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Thanks! So this is probably a very basic question but does this mean that SafetyNet will not be tripped if I have an unlocked boot loader?

Do you have a MasterCard? If so see if you can just use Master Pass. Im Rooted with Xposed and it works on there.

krolla03 said:
Do you have a MasterCard? If so see if you can just use Master Pass. Im Rooted with Xposed and it works on there.
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Just checked out master pass. Unfortunately it only supports a few banks and none of the major ones.
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Okaham said:
Thanks! So this is probably a very basic question but does this mean that SafetyNet will not be tripped if I have an unlocked boot loader?
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It shouldn't as long as you turn off root using Magisk before using Android Pay. I've opened Android Pay a couple times by accident while root enabled and it would automatically delete my credit card.

Hide root to app on Pure Nexus (Nougat 7.1.2)

I have an app on my phone (Airwatch), that is required in order to receive my "work email." Well, in order for that to work, i need to basically hide my root access to that app. Doing so will make the app thinks the device is not compromised, and allow the authorization to complete.
I've researched quite of view sites and videos, but all seem be for older android versions or not for SuperSU.
Anyone had any luck hiding root to an app on Pure Nexus Rom 7.1.2 ?
Thank you!

Try this when naugat was fresh I couldn't get it to work for Android pay but I'm seeing more success on the forum now
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.re...ts/5llqrc/root_help_magisk_and_phh_superuser/
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gjkrisa said:
Try this when naugat was fresh I couldn't get it to work for Android pay but I'm seeing more success on the forum now
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.re...ts/5llqrc/root_help_magisk_and_phh_superuser/
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That's a doozy of a thread. Looks like i have a lot of reading to do.
I sure hope something works. I sold my old phone and bought this Nexus 6P in order to root (for free tethering) and add a custom rom. I absolutely need my work email, so i hope i can figure something out without going to back to a stock phone.

You can use Google's tether for free without root
Oops guess not that was a long time ago when I needed that guess you did need root
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Guess it depends on the carrier for tethering. I have the pain of AT&T.

JTOUPS1214 said:
I have an app on my phone (Airwatch), that is required in order to receive my "work email." Well, in order for that to work, i need to basically hide my root access to that app. Doing so will make the app thinks the device is not compromised, and allow the authorization to complete.
I've researched quite of view sites and videos, but all seem be for older android versions or not for SuperSU.
Anyone had any luck hiding root to an app on Pure Nexus Rom 7.1.2 ?
Thank you!
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I use Nine and use the software base security when setting up my work email. No issue with root.
As for hiding root, I use Magisk but I can't get safetynet to pass. Oh well.

therock3181 said:
I use Nine and use the software base security when setting up my work email. No issue with root.
As for hiding root, I use Magisk but I can't get safetynet to pass. Oh well.
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I know Magisk has the "hide root" feature. But is it worth changing from SuperSU to Magisk? It sounds like I still won't pass safety net since I'm running a custom Rom.

Well, i figured a work-around to avoid installing Airwatch. I just added a shortcut to my office360 email, right on my homescreen. It doesn't notify me of new work emails, but at least i can go check them.
But i still would like to add my Snapchat. Is there anything floating around which allows you to use snapchat with Pure Nexus?

Magisk is the way to root and hide it. -> https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk
it's supported and on the stock ROM, Android Pay and SafetyNet passes with an unlocked bootloader and root.

Rooting Safetynet and Banking apps

Hi,
Phone: Moto G4 Plus(32GB)
TWRP + Magisk + Xposed + Elementalx : Is this a gud idea?
Is Magisk Hide effective enough to use Banking apps in rooted phones?
Whats safetynet exactly. What does it mean that its pass?
Its expected that Moto G4 Plus will get Oreo Update.
Will the Update be available if device is rooted with Magisk?
Is there a blog that any body has used to do this on their Moto G4 plus and has successfully worked with everything working without any issues?
can you give me the link to that step by step blog/forum which you used?
There were too many blogs/forums about this and there is a reply in each one them saying that their phone is bricked now. Dont want to take that risk.
Does anybody have a perfect/absolutely amazing blog with step by step guide.
This is my primary phone.
Your help will be much appreciated.

eighty9sid said:
TWRP + Magisk + Xposed + Elementalx : Is this a gud idea?
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Not good idea,
Correct order,
TWRP > Custom kernel > Magisk . (Done.)
Don't flash Xposed if you want to use banking apps, it will break safetynet.
Is Magisk Hide effective enough to use Banking apps in rooted phones?
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Personally, i don't use banking apps, but Magisk Hide works fine on other similar apps. So, it will be fine there..
Whats safetynet exactly. What does it mean that its pass?
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Safetynet is term that is related to safety,
If your device passes safetynet then it's secure, banking apps and others will work fine,
But if safetynet fails, then your device is unsecured, banking and related apps may not work..
Its expected that Moto G4 Plus will get Oreo Update.
Will the Update be available if device is rooted with Magisk?
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Even Lenovo/Motorola don't know when OREO will be there for Moto G4 Plus. No other comments
EDIT: If update available in future, you will have to be on stock unmodified ROM, that meams it will fail if magisk or any mod installed..
can you give me the link to that step by step blog/forum which you used?
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Check Guides section for Unlocking and flashing TWRP,
And follow LATEST guide for rooting (older thread/information for rooting can brick your device)
And if you are finding XPOSED + Safetynet Pass + Banking apps, then not possible..

Hello there,
I too am using Moto G4 32GB Dual SIM (XT1643) as a daily driver and I am using a Custom ROM i.e. HAVOC which is an Android 8.1.0 Oreo based ROM. I am using Magisk and TWRP and banking apps like SBI anywhere, Kotak App are working flawlessly. I have not tested Google Tez though.
Even when I had the stock ROM, I rooted it using Magisk and Installed ElementalX Kernel via TWRP. I followed steps from XDA itself, used this link:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/themes/g4-g4-plus-how-to-install-magisk-pass-t3551896
And as per your question on SafetyNet, it is basically a security check for android developers so that they can verify that the phone is not rigged or rooted or modified. In order for every developer to write their own code to go through various checks to check the integrity of the phone, google provided SafetyNet an easy to implement feature for developers. For more on SafetyNet, visit this website.:
https://www.nowsecure.com/blog/2017/08/03/android-apps-google-safetynet-attestation-api/
And as far as Magisk is concerned, I personally prefer Magisk over any other rooting solution, there are more than one reasons for that. Mainly I that I play Pokemon Go, so Magisk does it's job very well hiding my device status from Pokemon Go.
For difference between Magisk and SuperSu, here is the link:
https://www.xda-developers.com/magisk-vs-supersu/
You can install OTA updates with MAGISK easily, just need to install STOCK kernel and Uninstall Magisk.
I've never used XPOSED on my device, so I cannot help you with that.
And you may know this already, but I will tell you just in case you don't, In order to root your phone or install custom recovery, you need to unlock bootloader and then install custom recovery like TWRP.
To unlock your bootloader, visit:
Motorola - Unlock Bootloader
And Finally, I hope you know what you're doing. Follow the steps carefully and always read comments and user reviews before doing anything at all.
Happy Rooting

Maybe Wait till OREO OTA comes
I asked this because these two links kind of suggested that it was possible.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nexus5x/comments/5wdb27/does_elementalx_kernel_break_safety_net/
https://www.xda-developers.com/systemless-xposed-android-oreo-available-pass-safetynet/
I may be wrong.
Maybe i should wait for Oreo OTA to come and then decide.

Magisk Xposed is not working, I tried both the version of Xposed but phone doesn't boot at all. So in short, Root with Magisk + banking apps is possible, but root with Magisk+Xposed (even Magisk xposed)+banking apps is not possible as of now.
I tried Sandhook and Yahfa, both are not working.