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I thought it was a TFT LCD screen.
LOL just like sprint to possibly print the wrong specs on their own website. I guess from a development stand point it doesn't matter if the screen in AMOLED or TFT. I worry about AMOLED considering the stuff being reported about the nexus one screen though.
as someone using an AMOLED phone I'm glad it has a high quality TFT instead. My phone is absolutely atrocious to view in sunlight. While Super-AMOLED takes care of this problem, it isnt available on any non-Samsung phones and Samsung probably wants to keep it exclusive for a while
Just wondering. When the screen is off, why is it as black as the bezel around it, same on my One S, but on my Galaxy tablet and some other phones, it's grey and you can clearly see where the screen is?
I thought maybe the glass is darker, but wouldn't this screw up the contrast/colours of the screen? Or maybe the material doesn't reflect light as much, but what material is this?
It's the screen. Amoled's backlight is from the pixel itself and doesn't need any source for backlight. It's those backlights on non Amoled screens that make black look grey.
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Misread what you asked. Thought you meant when the screen is on displaying black.
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It's the screen. Amoled's backlight is from the pixel itself and doesn't need any source for backlight. It's those backlights on non Amoled screens that make black look grey.
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You're pretty much right. Its the sheet of plastic that they use in the screen. It all depends on what type they use. It varies from screen to screen. Samsung uses AMOLED screens so they use a different type of backlight. Samsung tablets use PLS though, which is like their version of IPS. They use a lighter backlight so it looks different. I personally don't like PLS screens or bad IPS screens (like this phone). The off viewing angles are pathetic. Good IPS screens like on the Lenovo Yoga or the HTC One are great, but otherwise I prefer normal LCD. Just my opinion
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You're pretty much right. Its the sheet of plastic that they use in the screen. It all depends on what type they use. It varies from screen to screen. Samsung uses AMOLED screens so they use a different type of backlight. Samsung tablets use PLS though, which is like their version of IPS. They use a lighter backlight so it looks different. I personally don't like PLS screens or bad IPS screens (like this phone). The off viewing angles are pathetic. Good IPS screens like on the Lenovo Yoga or the HTC One are great, but otherwise I prefer normal LCD. Just my opinion
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Even cheap IPS destroys a TN panel..
I personally love IPS screens best.
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I personally love IPS screens best.
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Yeah but the viewing angles (in my experience) are bad if its not a high quality panel. I find the veiwing angles of this phone terrible and there's no denying it. Compared to the htc one, its horrible. I'm not trying to start a fight here, i know this phone is $300 cheaper than the htc one, but still, I prefer wide veiwng angles.
Actually my only gripe about the Nexus 4 aesthetically is that it's NOT as black as the bezel when it's off.. Sometimes it's grayish, sometimes it's actually darker (depends on the lighting). the Gnex was uniformly black when it was off (which is the one thing I loved about the design), while outdoors I can easily see the "gray" of the N4's bezel (screen if you're indoors) when the screen is off. Wish it was all black, looks much better that way.
The LCD itself is an important part of why it looks like it does, but the more important factor is that the LCD is optically bonded to the touch surface, leaving no space for light reflections, air, etc. between the touch surface and the LCD itself. In LCDs that are not so bonded you see light reflecting off the touch surface, but also light that passes through the touch surface and reflects back off the LCD surface. In an optically bonded display assembly much less light reflects off the LCD surface because they put glue or a similar substance between the touch surface and LCD so there's no air between them.
From memory it is the polarizing filter/layer(s) that dictate how dark the panel is when it is off.
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You're pretty much right. Its the sheet of plastic that they use in the screen. It all depends on what type they use. It varies from screen to screen. Samsung uses AMOLED screens so they use a different type of backlight. Samsung tablets use PLS though, which is like their version of IPS. They use a lighter backlight so it looks different. I personally don't like PLS screens or bad IPS screens (like this phone). The off viewing angles are pathetic. Good IPS screens like on the Lenovo Yoga or the HTC One are great, but otherwise I prefer normal LCD. Just my opinion
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AMOLED doesn't use any backlight. IPS/PLS/TN/PVA/etc. all use either CCFL or LED for backlighting, the brightness/dimness of the light source effect brightness when the display is on but not when it is off.
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From memory it is the polarizing filter/layer(s) that dictate how dark the panel is when it is off.
AMOLED doesn't use any backlight. IPS/PLS/TN/PVA/etc. all use either CCFL or LED for backlighting, the brightness/dimness of the light source effect brightness when the display is on but not when it is off.
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I know...I said PLS screens use a backlight, thats why they look different.
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I know...I said PLS screens use a backlight, thats why they look different.
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You said AMOLED uses a different kind of backlight, AMOLED uses no backlight so no you didn't know; and no the type of backlight isn't why they look different when the screen is off.
Maybe Google has taken cuts with the phone?
I hear the moto x 2014 compared to galaxy S5, the screen difference is pretty big.
One uses amoled and one uses super amoled. Hopefully the 2k resolution will help the brightness and vibrancy.
What do you guys think? I haven't held a moto x and S5 together but I absolutely love the S5 screen.
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If anything, the 2k screen will be less bright...
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Resolution has nothing to do with brightness or vibrancy
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It's harder to push light through more pixels, so sure you can get a stronger backlight, but then you get more power consumption and heat.
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It's harder to push light through more pixels, so sure you can get a stronger backlight, but then you get more power consumption and heat.
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Huh? You don't push light through pixels with amoled screens. Per pixel brightness is certainly not affected by resolution, perhaps only with LCD screens.
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It's harder to push light through more pixels, so sure you can get a stronger backlight, but then you get more power consumption and heat.
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Amoled displays don't have backlights, the display itself is the source of light.
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My mistake, completely forgot that part about AMOLED. Been using IPS screens since I had a Galaxy Nexus, and that screen was junk.. so I've been wanting to stick to IPS. My G3 is gorgeous, so I'm kinda scared to see the N6 with AMOLED.
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Black ink spots kill AMOLED screens for me.
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Black ink spots kill AMOLED screens for me.
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Mura affects aren't really part of amoled. Oled screens it is like on my ps Vita
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RedBlueGreen said:
Maybe Google has taken cuts with the phone?
I hear the moto x 2014 compared to galaxy S5, the screen difference is pretty big.
One uses amoled and one uses super amoled. Hopefully the 2k resolution will help the brightness and vibrancy.
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AMOLED is the screen technology. "Super AMOLED" is just Samsung's brand name for their own screens using AMOLED technology, not a separate technology. It remains to be seen what the Nexus 6 screen looks like when compared to Note 4.
Are you sure cause the S2 with Super AMOLED was significantly better than their regular AMOLED models like the GNEX.
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I've not used AMOLED since my Galaxy Nexus, but it was horrendous. Banding visible all over the screen on grey or beige (light colored) screens.
Plus, it had burn in on the status bar that I could always see on full screen youtube videos etc. Was terrible.
I'm wondering have they improved the hardware technology since then or can I expect that again on the Nexus 6,
Look forward to the reviews on here after launch. :laugh:
The OCD fanboys who buy the first wave will be busy detailing the issues. I used to be one of them. I'll wait till the second wave this time. haha :good::laugh:
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AMOLED is the screen technology. "Super AMOLED" is just Samsung's brand name for their own screens using AMOLED technology, not a separate technology. It remains to be seen what the Nexus 6 screen looks like when compared to Note 4.
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Super AMOLED is based on AMOLED a technology, but has an integrated digitizer instead of it laid on top, making it brighter and more vibrant. It also reflects less sunlight than a standard AMOLED screen.
It is their marketing term, but does have some modifications
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AMOLED is the screen technology. "Super AMOLED" is just Samsung's brand name for their own screens using AMOLED technology, not a separate technology. It remains to be seen what the Nexus 6 screen looks like when compared to Note 4.
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Super AMOLED is based on AMOLED a technology, but has an integrated digitizer instead of it laid on top, making it brighter and more vibrant. It also reflects less sunlight than a standard AMOLED screen.
It is their marketing term, but does have some modifications
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Imagine if they used non pentile
This is a quick pull from wiki explaining the difference between all amoled screens
Super AMOLED[edit]
Super AMOLED is Samsung's term for an AMOLED display with an integrated digitizer, meaning that the layer that detects touch is integrated into the screen, rather than overlaid on top of it. According to Samsung, Super AMOLED reflects one-fifth as much sunlight compared to the first generation AMOLED.[21][22] The display technology itself is not changed. Super AMOLED is part of the Pentile matrix family. It is sometimes abbreviated SAMOLED.
For the Samsung Galaxy S III, which reverted to Super AMOLED instead of the pixelation-free conventional RGB (non-PenTile) Super AMOLED Plus of its predecessor Samsung Galaxy S II, the S III's larger screen size encourages users to hold the phone further from their face to obscure the PenTile effect.[23]
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Super AMOLED Advanced is a term marketed by Motorola to describe a brighter display than Super AMOLED screens, but also a higher resolution – qHD or 960 × 540 for Super AMOLED Advanced compared to WVGA or 800 × 480 for Super AMOLED. It also is 25% more energy efficient. Super AMOLED Advanced features PenTile, which sharpens subpixels in between pixels to make a higher resolution display, but by doing this, some picture quality is lost.[24] This display equips the Motorola Droid RAZR.[25]
Super AMOLED Plus[edit]
The Samsung Galaxy S II, with a Super AMOLED Plus screen
Super AMOLED Plus, first introduced with the Samsung Galaxy S II and Samsung Droid Charge smartphones, is a branding from Samsung where the PenTile RGBG pixel matrix (2 subpixels) used in Super AMOLED displays has been replaced with a traditional RGB RGB (3 subpixels) arrangement typically used in LCD displays. This variant of AMOLED is brighter and therefore more energy efficient than Super AMOLED displays[26] and produces a sharper, less grainy image because of the increased number of subpixels. In comparison to AMOLED and Super AMOLED displays, the Super AMOLED Plus displays are even more energy efficient and brighter. However, Samsung cited screen life and costs by not using Plus on the Galaxy S II's successor, the Samsung Galaxy S III.[18]
HD Super AMOLED[edit]
Galaxy Note II subpixels representation, based on 400X image of the Note II display[27]
The Galaxy Nexus, with an HD Super AMOLED screen[28]
HD Super AMOLED is a branding from Samsung for an HD-resolution (>1280×720) Super AMOLED display. The first device to use it was the Samsung Galaxy Note. The Galaxy Nexus and the Galaxy S III both implement the HD Super AMOLED with a PenTile RGBG-matrix (2 subpixels/pixel), while the Galaxy Note II uses an RBG matrix (3 subpixels/pixel) but not in the standard 3 stripe arrangement.[27]
HD Super AMOLED Plus[edit]
A variant of the Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tizen OS 1 was benchmarked using a non-pentile HD Super AMOLED Plus screen in 2012.[29]
Full HD Super AMOLED[edit]
As featured on the Samsung Galaxy S4[30] and Samsung Galaxy Note 3. It has the broadest color gamut of any mobile display of up to 97% of the Adobe RGB color space, hence making it a wide-gamut display.[31][32]
Future[edit]
Future displays exhibited from 2011 to 2013 by Samsung have shown flexible, 3D, unbreakable, transparent Super AMOLED Plus displays using very high resolutions and in varying sizes for phones. These unreleased prototypes use a polymer as a substrate removing the need for glass cover, a metal backing, and touch matrix, combining them into one integrated layer.[33]
So far, Samsung plans on branding the newer displays as Youm.[34]
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OMFG are people here really this clueless? Samsung calls ALL their AMOLED panels Super AMOLED. That includes the ones they sell to Motorola and Nokia. They are ALL made by Samsung. The reason why the Moto X 2014 doesn't look as good as the Galaxy S5 is because Samsung ALWAYS sells the last generation to their competitors and saves the latest generation for themselves. In other words what you see on the Moto X is the same tech as the Galaxy S4, not the S5. And for those dumb people who keep on saying higher resolution means lower brightness, this is only true for LCD since they use a backlight and it has to shine through each pixel, with more pixels decreasing the brightness overall. AMOLED is completely different in that each pixel is its own light source and when you pack them together, they will be brighter not dimmer, just like how your vanity mirror in your restroom will be brighter with three small 600 lumen bulbs near each other versus just one 900 lumen bulb.
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Ah yes, now I remember those black spots too.. what exactly caused those and can we expect this on the N6?
Hopefully screen burn is a thing of the past, especially with the nav and status bars going transparent on the home screen.
If the display is PenTile, that will probably kill it for me right away. I can't stand the fuzziness that comes with that junky setup. I bought a Yoga 2 Pro and noticed it right away which is part of why I returned it. I also hate how AMOLED has a very blue/green hue to it.. guess we'll see how the N6 turns out.
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For me both suck... cause of degradation of the organic led.. colors become toned... and burn in issue.. they are simply inadequate.. expecially at that price...
From what I recall Samsung makes all AMOLED displays so you should expect it to be great. Google wouldn't put a bad display on a flagship phone.
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Ah yes, now I remember those black spots too.. what exactly caused those and can we expect this on the N6?
Hopefully screen burn is a thing of the past, especially with the nav and status bars going transparent on the home screen.
If the display is PenTile, that will probably kill it for me right away. I can't stand the fuzziness that comes with that junky setup. I bought a Yoga 2 Pro and noticed it right away which is part of why I returned it. I also hate how AMOLED has a very blue/green hue to it.. guess we'll see how the N6 turns out.
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screen burn isn't a thing of the past.. beacause the technology il still the same.. organic led degradate with use.. losing brightness and uncalibrating all screen colors (this with homogeneous wear) but some elements like status bar icons and navbar buttons are always in the same position!! And they will burn in inevitably
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From what I recall Samsung makes all AMOLED displays so you should expect it to be great. Google wouldn't put a bad display on a flagship phone.
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In other words what you see on the Moto X is the same tech as the Galaxy S4
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There is a slight difference between the moto X 2014 and S4 screens.
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I've been doing a bit of research about these different types of displays. After using a couple of IPS displays and comparing them side-by-side to AMOLED displays, I'm beginning to have a different perspective. IPS just looks stunning. Not to say AMOLED looks bad or anything, but in the past I was more inclined towards AMOLED. As someone who has experienced burn-ins with previous AMOLED displays, I can say that it really does suck.
IPS displays are generally better for outdoor viewing, are brighter (usually), have better viewing angles, more realistic colors and don't burn in. On the other hand, AMOLED displays have colors that "pop", have very deep blacks, and don't require a backlight.
Hell, go to your local carrier store/Target/Best Buy/whatever sells electronics and take a look at the Samsung phones like the S5 and phones with IPS displays. Every AMOLED display I saw in stores had a tremendous burn-in. I wish I could have taken pictures but I didn't have my phone with me at the time. Granted, the phones on display are turned on all day and are usually stuck on one image as long as they are display phones which leads to the rapid burn ins. But the fact still stands.
As you guys know, the Nexus 6 is going to have an AMOLED display. Now, this isn't real research or anything but there is something that I have noticed when I look over all of the hands on pictures from sites like TheVerge, TechCrunch, etc. The Nexus 6's display isn't the brightest dip=splay out there. Actually, it looks pretty dim. Of course there aren't real reviews yet but this is just speculation on my part.
What do you guys think? Are the trade-offs worth it? For those that do own phones with AMOLED displays, have you had burn in on your screen? How long do you guys think the Nexus 6 can last before it potentially burns in?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DChnGXLErrI
http://www.androidauthority.com/amoled-vs-lcd-282084/
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I personally like OLED, but mostly for the contrast. My question though is if the Nexus 6 will have a Pentile or RGB subpixel layout. I hate Pentile. Also, brightness is not the biggest factor in sinlight readability, its reflectivity that matters. Many OLED screens have low reflectivity, so the sun isnt bouning into your eyes and making the display look dim. And i have heard that higher pixel densities burn in less, but that is not something i have seen proof of.
Amoled if its same tech like on the Note 4 (same generation) IPS if it was high quality one like on the iPhone 6.
I prefer IPS LCD because I've tried my fair share of Samsung AMOLED devices and all of them have greenish-yellow tints and grainy colors. Not to even mention the pathetic brightness levels.
I would've preferred a well calibrated 1080p IPS LCD. It'd easily look as sharp as the 1440p Pentile AMOLED, while at the same time improving battery life and GPU performance.
Amoled for me. I really like the colors and viewing angles of it. Not to mention the low power emission and active display compability. No lightbleeding issues,too.
After using an IPS display for ages now with my N4 I would love to use an AMOLED display where colours did not seem so washed out and true blacks can be had (which since darker colours are easier on my eyes I prefer it).
The only worry I have is Burn In, but if I have heard correctly a lot of Burn In issues have been resolved with later devices. I really hope this is true.
I prefer Amoled as the ips tech I dealt with had issues with light bleed & other weird anomalies
Ips is way better.
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Yes, the only reason I'd pass is the fact that it's an OLED display. I always get burn in, I told myself never again but I will be buying the N6.
It depends of the display's generation and calibration.
If it's on par with the AMOLED screen of the Note 4, I prefer AMOLED screen.
But an IPS Display as good as the one used in the iPhone 6 plus is better than every older AMOLED screen.
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It depends of the display's generation and calibration.
If it's on par with the AMOLED screen of the Note 4, I prefer AMOLED screen.
But an IPS Display as good as the one used in the iPhone 6 plus is better than every older AMOLED screen.
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nexus 6 is amoled and the note 4 is super amoled..huge difference
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nexus 6 is amoled and the note 4 is super amoled..huge difference
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I don't know if other manufacturers have the right to use the terms "Super AMOLED" or if it's patented by Samsung.
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I don't know if other manufacturers have the right to use the terms "Super AMOLED" or if it's patented by Samsung.
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i think if u compare the note 4's screen with the s5 you will see the difference
I definitely prefer IPS, but I've really been wanting that Ambient Display. Can't have both, so to me the best compromise is AMOLED, paired with an LCD wearable. I'll have that with my N6 and 360.
Great topic, especially considering the screen is what we all look at every single time we use our phone. This is definitely a "preference" thing.
I've had a few phones (both newer and older display techs) and I know for myself, a photography enthusiast, I prefer color correctness and white whites over "true blacks" ON MY PHONE. I watch my Panasonic Plasma TV for true blacks (and even those aren't 100% true).
AMOLED's (pre GS5 & Note4 and I've yet to view either) burn-in and have image retention and their whites are beyond horrible. Of course most wouldn't even notice this until they put their phone right next to a IPS LCD. You can always "get used to" or "learn to like" the screen your viewing. Until you put it next to something else. Even then a lot of us will believe the one we have is the best. All comes back to personal preference
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i think if u compare the note 4's screen with the s5 you will see the difference
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I think both are marketed as "Super AMOLED" no ? (But I know that the screen of the Note 4 is better)
But that's not my point. My point is that even if Google comes with the same screen as the Galaxy Note 4, I'm not sure that they can use the terms "Super AMOLED" (exactly like you can't use the term "Retina" if you are not Apple).
What's it look like when the screen burns in? Is that when it leaves like a shadow of something like an app you used in the background no matter what? Because my friends s3 has snap chat burned into the background.
Does this happen with all amoled screens? And if it does will warranty exchange it? Because I use my phone a lot and don't want to risk something like this. I. have lots of friends with the s4 and s5 and none have this issue. The only one who has it is with his really old s3.
I don't really care about true whites and deep black's or whatever. When I had the nexus 5 it looked yellow but with my g2 it's really nice. It doesn't matter though because I don't notice it unless I compare it to another phone. And I really like how the colors look on the Samsung Galaxy s tablet so if Motorola's amoled screen is anything like that I'll love the colors. And I like that theres no back light to cause light bleed like in the nexus 5 and nexus 10 (notorious for it).
But I'm gonna do some research on amoled now and see what I find out. I really hope the newer phones like this especially at this price don't have issues
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What's it look like when the screen burns in? Is that when it leaves like a shadow of something like an app you used in the background no matter what? Because my friends s3 has snap chat burned into the background.
Does this happen with all amoled screens? And if it does will warranty exchange it? Because I use my phone a lot and don't want to risk something like this. I. have lots of friends with the s4 and s5 and none have this issue. The only one who has it is with his really old s3.
I don't really care about true whites and deep black's or whatever. When I had the nexus 5 it looked yellow but with my g2 it's really nice. It doesn't matter though because I don't notice it unless I compare it to another phone. And I really like how the colors look on the Samsung Galaxy s tablet so if Motorola's amoled screen is anything like that I'll love the colors. And I like that theres no back light to cause light bleed like in the nexus 5 and nexus 10 (notorious for it).
But I'm gonna do some research on amoled now and see what I find out. I really hope the newer phones like this especially at this price don't have issues
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It happen only on older phones. Both my S2 and S3 have burn-in issues (keyboard and notification bar are burn-in on both) but my GS4 GPe is fine.
But the Tab S use a recent gen of AMOLED and are very well calibrated. Motorola's smartphones never use the latest AMOLED screens (it seems that Samsung doesn't sell them)
I want black to be black and no light bleed..
Note 4 seems to be an extremly good display that can have really correct colors.
And high brightness... Hope Nexus 6 have just as good display..
my Note 2 have notification bar burn in..
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Amoled display is the best I ever seen, so glad that on nexus 6 I will finally have it.
True black, the highest view angles, more colors.
Hello. I'll soon buy mi 9t but watching reviews one say that screen is amoled and others that screen is super amoled. Witch one has this phone? Thx for help <3
According to Aida64, the display on my 9T is super amoled.
It's super amoled.
the difference between AMOLED and Super is the integration of touch sensor into the panel so as a result the screen will appear as it's attached to the glass instead of there being a gap and since there is no extra layer, there is better brightness efficiency. A look at Mi 9T will tell you it's Super AMOLED.
It's hilarious to read reviews of this phone (including one on XDA) that clearly don't even know what Super AMOLED is. Also I'm not sure why there is all this discussions about it, pretty sure Samsung doesn't make anything but Super AMOLED for years now. It's noting new. It goes back to galaxy S5 or maybe older I think.
The display on this phone is very good, it's the least important point of concern about this device. It looks better than 90 percent of phones out there including entirely of Samsung's own A series. It's very similar to my galaxy S10e "Dynamic" AMOLED, I really can't tell the difference. It is also very color accurate out of the box, I didn't expect that. Just use Warm mode for best results.