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I heard that only at first Htc used Amoled display for Legend, and later on Super lcd. How to check the type of our scrren (display)?
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read the specs on back of the white box the legend was in
I just know about AMOLED Devices.
The switch from AMOLED to SuperLCD has been done at the Desire and as far as I know not on the Legend
I am very satisfied with display on Legend. Is there any significant difference (better or worse) with S-LCD?
well i compared it with a SLCD htc desire and i think the AMOLED is much better
Legend only uses AMOLED anyway, don't worry about it
S-LCD almost the same that amoled, only maybe contrast have some little difference
if i'm not mistaken
s-lcd
Super LCD is much nice when reading text and websites AMOLED is better for watching video,
SLCD is much sharper but isnt stand out bright and over saturated like AMOLED which is fuzzy and soft around sharp corners like text
look here and it shows you actual pictures were you can see the difference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Desire
jul644 said:
Super LCD is much nice when reading text and websites AMOLED is better for watching video,
SLCD is much sharper but isnt stand out bright and over saturated like AMOLED which is fuzzy and soft around sharp corners like text
look here and it shows you actual pictures were you can see the difference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Desire
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Note though that the Desire AMOLED had a PenTile arrangement which seems to account for the marked difference in the shift to SLCD. The Legend's AMOLED screen uses a conventional RGB arrangement so probably wouldn't have suffered the same comparisons had it also moved to SLCD.
This page has a good breakdown of the differences.
http://jtra.cz/stuff/android/htc/desire-vs-legend/display/index.html
Yes, you are all right. I have bought desire z and I can see the difference. S-lcd is much sharper, but amoled has much better contrast - black is really black
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Some webshops often say that the black HTC legend is equiped with LCD and the silver one with AMOLED. My collegue has a black one, I have a silver one and both have amoled.
You can easily see the difference when you tilt them. Amoled's colors almost don't change (even if you're almost at 180°), LCD's colors go weird...
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Some webshops often say that the black HTC legend is equiped with LCD and the silver one with AMOLED. My collegue has a black one, I have a silver one and both have amoled.
You can easily see the difference when you tilt them. Amoled's colors almost don't change (even if you're almost at 180°), LCD's colors go weird...
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Oh, Thanks ! Is that the simple way to tell ?
My new Virgin Mobile Canada Legend's box says AMOLED but I think the box is lying. Wonder if I can sue somebody, LOL, jk. I guess HTC may be at partial fault too since their spec page claims AMOLED: http://www.htc.com/www/product/legend/specification.html
I recall some article quoting an HTC rep saying the "backward" move to LCD would save power, but then tests (and common tech sense?) showed that was a lie. I originally was disappointed at the loss of AMOLED, but from what I've read though, I'd prefer LCD if given the choice, simply due to the better legibility. On the down side, LCD takes more power, doesn't have the deeper blacks and colors, and may be a bit harder to see in the bright outdoors.
Bell supposedly dropped the Legend because of the AMOLED supply issue. AFAIK all of the later (after last summer or there-abouts ?) Legends are LCD. Would be nice if we could tell via serial numbers or something.
My Legend's colors start going weird somewhere around 170 degrees or so (just a rough guess). So I guess I have LCD ?
You could also take a cheap microscope and look at the screen. The difference is startling. Amoled will be made up of a lot of lines, more red than blue (I think). LCD would look completely different
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You could also take a cheap microscope and look at the screen. The difference is startling. Amoled will be made up of a lot of lines, more red than blue (I think). LCD would look completely different
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With the screen on and white, right ? I tried this with a jewelers loupe and see lines about twice as high vertically as horizontaly (with the phone speaker up and mike down). It looks like there are thin red lines and thicker green lines that are somewhat blue-ish.
Would there be any difference in device drivers loaded ? I see a driver in dmesg with "oled" in the name.
This microscope diagnostic method will not work on Legend and it has an RGB matrix - the Desire LED had pentile matrix.
All you have to do is display a mostly black screen (the android settings menu is a good example), find a dark environment and look at the display. An SLCD will seep light from black areas where an LED will be an almost perfect black.
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i have legend with amoled my friend have desire (i guess it lcd)
i can notice his display has slight better screen in the menu like smoother or something but on the legend view aspect is higher than on the desire....
both of them are good
Coming from a Galaxy Nexus, my main concern is - How are the black levels gonna be? I absolutely LOVE SuperAMOLED - Mainly, the blacks - I LOVE THEM and I'm sure many other users do. I don't know if the LG's black levels are gonna be as good or better? Does anything know that?
I have a choice to jump from the Gnex to the Nex4 but if the screen's black levels aren't as good - I probably won't.
What's your opinion about the screen?
Go look at a One X, it'll be similar to that (which is SO much better than the GNex screen - IPS ftw!!)
Yeah but the black levels
It definitely won't be as good. The question is, will it be good enough.
The apparent high end screen on my laptop has a rubbish black level. So I'm also hoping the Nexus 10 has good blacks, so I can use that for media instead.
But did you look at the Htc One X screen, or atleast youtube it?
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Yeah I've used the One X a lot of times and I'm not impressed at all. The color reproduction is good but the black levels don't amaze me, at all. I feel that my nexus' screen is much better than the OneX (Just my opinion, don't pounce on me)
With AMOLED, the blacks are black because the led's are switched off, it doesn't try make the colour "Black".
LCD screens do not do this. So blacks will be grey, but colours and viewing angles WILL be better. Another thing, AMOLED is a battery drain with anything other than the colour black.
OLED screens will always have darker blacks than LCDs. That's just due to the nature of how each type of screen technology works.
I very much know how AMOLED works. Guess the blacks won't be that good on the Nex4. :| Hard decision to make now :\
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I very much know how AMOLED works. Guess the blacks won't be that good on the Nex4. :| Hard decision to make now :\
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But your question meant that you don't. If you know this, then you should know about LCD too...
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I very much know how AMOLED works. Guess the blacks won't be that good on the Nex4. :| Hard decision to make now :\
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They will probably be as good as any IPS LCD on the market. LG makes very good smartphone displays, including iPhone 4/4S/5 displays.
Just look at the present ips screen on the LG top model phones, i'm sure the nexus 4 will be similar.
The blacks will not be the same as others mentioned but it's a tradeoff. Super amoleds have good contrast and blacks but the ips lcd's I've seen had better color accuracy and sharper images. I like amoleds but the whites and other colors aren't that good and the brightness isn't high enough for my taste. I look forward to seeing the n4 up close
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I have mixed feelings as well regarding the screen of the new Nexus 4. I also own a Galaxy Nexus, and aside from the black levels, there is another area where the AMOLED screens shine: motion handling. LCDs tend to blur images in fast motion, motion resolution isn't usually very good. This is very noticeable when watching action films or sports, for example.
However, AMOLED screens are very fast thus their motion handling is on par (or even better than) with plasmas, which gives you crisp and clear images even when moving (blur ocurring depending on the shooting conditions but that's a whole different story).
So, to summarize the differences between the screens:
- The screen of the Nexus 4 will be slightly clearer, the pentile matrix used in the AMOLED screen makes it slightly more "blurry", although due to its high pixel density that's usually hard to see.
- The screen of the Galaxy Nexus has perfect blacks, the screen of the Nexus 4 doesn't. The point is, will its blacks be "black enough" even for multimedia? "Black enough" is very subjective...
- The screen of the Nexus 4 will probably handle motion worse than the Galaxy Nexus one. The point again will be if it handles motion well enough.
It seems that the screen of the Nexus 4 is slightly better for reading and web browsing but slightly worse for multimedia. I only have a Galaxy Nexus (no access to HTC One X, etc) so anyway I can't really compare.
Well it all depend on taste. I think the IPS screen for me will be better for contents consumption. Text clarity is a very important factor for phones and RGB array IPS excel here. Better color accuracy is the most important factor for me, without the banding, retention and dark spots that I deal with on AMOLED. I only fear of the chance of backlight leakage that can happen with regular LCD.
I know the response time of the OLED screen have very fast, but I don't do heavy gaming on small mobile devices. It also have ultra wide angle view and wider color gamut (poorly tuned however). I also like its performance outdoor and contrast. But it can be s battery eater.
Also I missed the curved glass of the AMOLED screen, before anyone say the Nexus 4 screen is curved, by what I see from the verge video it isn't, only the external glass seems to be and just a little by the edge, not the same effect.
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eksasol said:
Well it all depend on taste. I think the IPS screen for me will be better for contents consumption. Text clarity is a very important factor for phones and RGB array IPS excel here. Better color accuracy is the most important factor for me, without the banding, retention and dark spots that I deal with on AMOLED. I only fear of the chance of backlight leakage that can happen with regular LCD.
I know the response time of the OLED screen have very fast, but I don't do heavy gaming on small mobile devices. It also have ultra wide angle view and wider color gamut (poorly tuned however). I also like its performance outdoor and contrast. But it can be s battery eater.
Also I missed the curved glass of the AMOLED screen, before anyone say the Nexus 4 screen is curved, by what I see from the verge video it isn't, only the external glass seems to be and just a little by the edge, not the same effect.
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The Nexus 4 will have better viewing angles than the AMOLED.
Sunlight will probably be better too. Colours will be more realistic, and battery life will be lower apart from on a black screen.
I don't like the oversaturated colors of amoled screens, and true colors are important in my work, so I much prefer a good IPS screen. Too bad about the blacks though.
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I hope the Nexus 4 display will be better. On my Gnex whenever I watch videos with dark scenes or blackground, I get this noise/artifact thing in the background. Do you guys get that? Also, black is technically not completely black on the Gnex because the pixels do light up a little for faster switching. There are a few threads in the Gnex forum that talk about that. It is only noticeable when there is very little or no ambient light. You can test it by going to a dark room and open an image that is completely black. You will see some dim light coming out from the AMOLED.
I would have to say my biggest concern is how the screen will perform in the direct sunlight. Of the phones I've had the gnex does best in direct sunlight. Very easily readable and use able in direct sunlight. All my other phones have been washed out in the sun. They where some form of lcd's, but not any of the newer generation super performing lcd's that are out now. The HTC Rezound I had was the best LCD screen I've owned. Amazing picture but suffered in the sun.
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I hope the Nexus 4 display will be better. On my Gnex whenever I watch videos with dark scenes or blackground, I get this noise/artifact thing in the background. Do you guys get that? Also, black is technically not completely black on the Gnex because the pixels do light up a little for faster switching. There are a few threads in the Gnex forum that talk about that. It is only noticeable when there is very little or no ambient light. You can test it by going to a dark room and open an image that is completely black. You will see some dim light coming out from the AMOLED.
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I think that's either black crush like the original note had or the black spots which nearly all amoled screens get because of the way they are produced.
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So, I had one Galaxy S4 and with my polarized sunglasses I had no issue seeing the screen. The home button broke and I got the entire unit replaced, now whenever I look at the screen with my polarized sunglasses it is dimmed significantly.
What is your experience with polarized sunglasses and your S4? I'm wondering if it's more common or not to have issues with them on the S4. I know *very* common with screens to have an issue with polarized lenses
Mine is really clear. No problems at all
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Can see mines fine. However it might be different from screen to screen. For example my Pebble watch... I cannot see at all with my polarized glasses on. And my iPhone 4S was hard to read as well.
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Can see mines fine. However it might be different from screen to screen. For example my Pebble watch... I cannot see at all with my polarized glasses on. And my iPhone 4S was hard to read as well.
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LCD screens use polarization to create the image, you can see the details here in the LCD wiki. Because of this, using polarized sunglasses will make the screen appear dark in certain orientations. AMOLED on the other hand has sub pixels for each color, negating the need for polarization. If any polarization patterns are seen, it would be caused by the tempering process of the gorilla glass (and i'm not sure if this would even be seen in polarized light)
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LCD screens use polarization to create the image, you can see the details here in the LCD wiki. Because of this, using polarized sunglasses will make the screen appear dark in certain orientations. AMOLED on the other hand has sub pixels for each color, negating the need for polarization. If any polarization patterns are seen, it would be caused by the tempering process of the gorilla glass (and i'm not sure if this would even be seen in polarized light)
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Apparently the Galaxy S4 active is shipping with a TFT display and not the AMOLED. I wonder if pressed for production, Samsung is starting to put the TFT display in the regular S4 also now? I'm going to put my screen under a microscope to check if it's AMOLED with subpixels and all.
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Apparently the Galaxy S4 active is shipping with a TFT display and not the AMOLED. I wonder if pressed for production, Samsung is starting to put the TFT display in the regular S4 also now? I'm going to put my screen under a microscope to check if it's AMOLED with subpixels and all.
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Never thought of the active. I would suspect differently though. LCD's are known to be better in direct sunlight, AMOLED is catching up, but for a phone designed for the outdoors person, Samsung may be taking no chances. I also don't see the active being advertised as an AMOLED like the s4 is.
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Never thought of the active. I would suspect differently though. LCD's are known to be better in direct sunlight, AMOLED is catching up, but for a phone designed for the outdoors person, Samsung may be taking no chances. I also don't see the active being advertised as an AMOLED like the s4 is.
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I checked under a microscope, comparing an iPhone 4 and a Galaxy S3. The pixel layout I saw on my Galaxy S4 and Galaxy S3 matched this image and other "microscope" images of the Galaxy S4 AMOLED.
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/...Galaxy-S-4-on-the-right-screen-comparison.jpg
So, after seeing the pixel layout I'm absolutely confident it is an AMOLED. When I displayed a completely black image, there was absolutely no light coming through the display either and all pixels were turned completely off.
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I checked under a microscope, comparing an iPhone 4 and a Galaxy S3. The pixel layout I saw on my Galaxy S4 and Galaxy S3 matched this image and other "microscope" images of the Galaxy S4 AMOLED.
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/...Galaxy-S-4-on-the-right-screen-comparison.jpg
So, after seeing the pixel layout I'm absolutely confident it is an AMOLED. When I displayed a completely black image, there was absolutely no light coming through the display either and all pixels were turned completely off.
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The retina display is an IPS LCD display Apple does not use amoled
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I have to tilt my S4 45 degree to the left to be able to view it clearly with polarized sunglasses. If I hold it straight, it is pretty dark, and if I tilt it 45 degrees to the right, it is nearly black.
Just wanted to mention with either of my polarized glasses my S4 is totally unaffected.
Interesting that there are differences in the manufacturing/tempering process.
Mine is also unaffected. I have tried with multiple sunglasses aswell
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Just wanted to mention with either of my polarized glasses my S4 is totally unaffected.
Interesting that there are differences in the manufacturing/tempering process.
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Mine is also unaffected. I have tried with multiple sunglasses aswell
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What you are saying is pretty much impossible with AMOLED displays. It may not be the normal orientation, but there has to be some orientation at which the screen is darkened. The only other explanation is that the sunglasses you tried were not actually polarized. You're absolutely sure?
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What you are saying is pretty much impossible with AMOLED displays. It may not be the normal orientation, but there has to be some orientation at which the screen is darkened. The only other explanation is that the sunglasses you tried were not actually polarized. You're absolutely sure?
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Interesting, will perform some tests tonight.
I know both glasses are for sure polarized as they block out my cars display at certain angles.
I'm 99% sure of my statement, wonder if I can record the effect somehow with another camera.
Will let ya know.
It's likely just a matter of the build process - the polarization of the screen could be different in newer [sub]models. From one AMOLED screen to another, I've noticed the same problems, but it depends on what polarization the glasses have, what ANGLE the polarization is at, and what angle the polarization is on the device screen. I also have to tilt my head at least 45deg to get it 100% bright, and holding the device sideways works fine.
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It's likely just a matter of the build process - the polarization of the screen could be different in newer [sub]models. From one AMOLED screen to another, I've noticed the same problems, but it depends on what polarization the glasses have, what ANGLE the polarization is at, and what angle the polarization is on the device screen. I also have to tilt my head at least 45deg to get it 100% bright, and holding the device sideways works fine.
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This happened to me on my galaxy skyrocket, but only because the screen protector I had was polarized and "anti-glare". I do not have a screen protector on my S4 and it doesn't happen there. It's interesting if it is a difference in production, because polarization does cut down light output a little.
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This happened to me on my galaxy skyrocket, but only because the screen protector I had was polarized and "anti-glare". I do not have a screen protector on my S4 and it doesn't happen there. It's interesting if it is a difference in production, because polarization does cut down light output a little.
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It is quite interesting indeed. I haven't done much research on it, but I think it's something to do with keeping the light from bleeding into nearby pixels - keeping the image sharp and clear when looking at it head-on.
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What you are saying is pretty much impossible with AMOLED displays. It may not be the normal orientation, but there has to be some orientation at which the screen is darkened. The only other explanation is that the sunglasses you tried were not actually polarized. You're absolutely sure?
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If I angle the phone a little, the screen appears darker in compariaon to the normal viewing angle.
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I've noticed this on my S3 and my new/used S4.....
I also have an "off colored" strip about 1in long you can ONLY see with polarized sunglasses. Not sure if it's the Zagg screen protector that's wrinkled slightly in that spot, or if there is a scratch on the screen on that spot under the Zagg? My S3 did that wherever it had a scratch... The Zagg covered the scratches, but couldn't hide it from my sunglasses. I don't want to take off the Zagg on the S4 to see if it's actually scratched or not, maybe someday when I get a spare $30 for another one I'll check it out.
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I've noticed this on my S3 and my new/used S4.....
I also have an "off colored" strip about 1in long you can ONLY see with polarized sunglasses. Not sure if it's the Zagg screen protector that's wrinkled slightly in that spot, or if there is a scratch on the screen on that spot under the Zagg? My S3 did that wherever it had a scratch... The Zagg covered the scratches, but couldn't hide it from my sunglasses. I don't want to take off the Zagg on the S4 to see if it's actually scratched or not, maybe someday when I get a spare $30 for another one I'll check it out.
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Definitely the sunglasses, had the same issues with my Zagg screen protector on the one x+.
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I'm about done with AMOLED panels and I'm about done with the S7 because of it. Ever since phones went quad HD (Turbo, S6, Nexus 6, Turbo 2, Note 5, 6P, S7, etc), this has been a problem, and unfortunately it still seems to exist on the S7. This is my second one - the first one had it in a different area on the screen and it was even worse. It's the pink fade on light or white backgrounds. Once you see it you can't unsee it. I'm sure some will come in here and say they can't see it. I noticed it looks all white at the right angle so if you're not seeing it, you might move your screen a bit. Also, the first image (the horizontal one) shows it the most b/c it has the subtle camera lines which make the fade even more obvious. Not sure if there's a point to this except to vent a bit and, I guess, see if anybody else has had this issue on theirs. Given that the screen is supposed to be one of the main selling points of this device, it's hard to keep it when I see the fade every time a lighter background comes up...
Honestly, I don't really see one benefit to having an AMOLED panel any more - even the highest quality ones eventually deal with burn-in, the battery life is not any better, and they have inconsistencies which are apparently just par for the course. #frustrated
Hmm my S7 doesn't have this effect at all angles and I don't think this is something with AMOLED displays. I think it's the new gorilla glass and the refractive properties of it. At some angles it looks blue and others pink but looking straight at the phone I don't see any weird hue just perfect white. The colours on the S7 display are the best for an AMOLED screen so far and I can say that since I work in a paint store and colour matching is my life.
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Hmm my S7 doesn't have this effect at all angles and I don't think this is something with AMOLED displays. I think it's the new gorilla glass and the refractive properties of it. At some angles it looks blue and others pink but looking straight at the phone I don't see any weird hue just perfect white. The colours on the S7 display are the best for an AMOLED screen so far and I can say that since I work in a paint store and colour matching is my life.
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I know what you're referring to with the refractive properties on Gorilla Glass 4 and this definitely isn't that. I'm even able to see the inconsistencies on darker backgrounds as well. I've uploaded two more photos, attached to this post. That's a solid dark grayish/blue background.
Pick your poison. With AMOLED you're going to get higher brightness, contrast and color saturation, but it will shift colors on whites with various viewing angles. With LCD you'll get colors that are less saturated but more stable and no true blacks (thus worse contrast), and it's brightness, contrast and saturation will all degrade at higher viewing angles.
Source: gizmag.com
AMOLED screens are also thinner and consume less energy.
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Pick your poison. With AMOLED you're going to get higher brightness, contrast and color saturation, but it will shift colors on whites with various viewing angles. With LCD you'll get colors that are less saturated but more stable and no true blacks (thus worse contrast), and it's brightness, contrast and saturation will all degrade at higher viewing angles.
AMOLED screens are also thinner and consume less energy.
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I know, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Though I don't think we're talking about just color shifting at various viewing angles. This fade (and prior fades) appears to be "burned" in to the screen itself, and while differing angles help a bit, it doesn't change the problem.
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I know, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Though I don't think we're talking about just color shifting at various viewing angles. This fade (and prior fades) appears to be "burned" in to the screen itself, and while differing angles help a bit, it doesn't change the problem.
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And it looks even worse when you compare it with your friend's perfectly white iPhone screen..
But the better sunlight legibility and perfect blacks appear as a fair trade in for me..
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And it looks even worse when you compare it with your friend's perfectly white iPhone screen..
But the better sunlight legibility and perfect blacks appear as a fair trade in for me..
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I don't know - obviously that's subjective, but even my iPhone 5S is still just as readable in sunlight, and having inconsistencies in the screen appearance on a $700 device, to me anyway, is hard to justify for the sake of pure blacks.
Many will disagree, but this is why I still think the iPhone 6 Plus has the best display. I own an S7 Edge and while my screen colors are even with no pink tint, the entire display does have a bit of a green tint to the whites and I can occasionally make out horizontal lines where the brightness isn't perfectly even on grays and whites, especially noticeable when scrolling. My S7 Edge is about as good as I've seen any QHD AMOLED display, certainly much better than any of the S6s I owned, but it's still not perfect, and I would still prefer the display from the iPhone 6 Plus. To me, good, even, uniform whites are more important than perfect blacks because most of the things I do on my phone involve white backgrounds (web pages especially).
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Many will disagree, but this is why I still think the iPhone 6 Plus has the best display. I own an S7 Edge and while my screen colors are even with no pink tint, the entire display does have a bit of a green tint to the whites and I can occasionally make out horizontal lines where the brightness isn't perfectly even on grays and whites, especially noticeable when scrolling. My S7 Edge is about as good as I've seen any QHD AMOLED display, certainly much better than any of the S6s I owned, but it's still not perfect, and I would still prefer the display from the iPhone 6 Plus. To me, good, even, uniform whites are more important than perfect blacks because most of the things I do on my phone involve white backgrounds (web pages especially).
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One thing I would like to point out that you are completely missing is the contrast, not only black-white but the colour contrast! This is another area where S7 screen is clearly superior than 6s plus or any other mobile lcd. You can verify that by viewing a colorful wallpaper side by side on both the screens. Another thing is colour accuracy and colour gamut in which S7 screen again comes on top.
Both types of screens obviously have their pros and cons but SAMOLED screens arguably do have more pros over lcds than cons imho!
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To me, good, even, uniform whites are more important than perfect blacks because most of the things I do on my phone involve white backgrounds (web pages especially).
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Master gtg! Thanks for the goodies of the Infuse 4G..
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To me, good, even, uniform whites are more important than perfect blacks because most of the things I do on my phone involve white backgrounds (web pages especially).
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Agree 100%. And at least the blacks on LCD's are consistent. They might not be "pure", but they are consistent unlike the whites in AMOLED.
Dpk1 said:
One thing I would like to point out that you are completely missing is the contrast, not only black-white but the colour contrast! This is another area where S7 screen is clearly superior than 6s plus or any other mobile lcd. You can verify that by viewing a colorful wallpaper side by side on both the screens. Another thing is colour accuracy and colour gamut in which S7 screen again comes on top.
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You call it superior, I call it over-saturated (), even still on the latest and greatest. Don't get me wrong, they look nice and my eyes get used to it after awhile, but no matter what I do the S7's screen (and S6's, and Turbo's, etc.) feels "cartoonish" to me when navigating through the UI. Every time I go back to LCD from AMOLED my eyes feel a small sense of relief - almost like the contrast was too much. I know that's not the norm, so fortunately we have choices. But I love everything about the S7 except, ironically, its screen because of these inconsistencies. I simply shouldn't be seeing a fade from white to pinkish grey on an all-white background on a 2016 flagship.
Lol.. it would be a shame then if apple goes with amoled displays in future ?! Anyway you seem very clear about your preference of the display type so I'm not going to contest that, but I would say that lcd displays are not free from fault like amoleds and they do have issues like backlight bleeding, abnormal tints, non-uniformity issues, dead / stuck pixels etc.
BTW, I'm not here to preach about amoled or lcds, it's only my own experience with both the display types in the past. My experiences might vary from yours but I've always had them better with samoled screens than lcds.
I just bought a s7 flat 2 weeks ago and its my first AMOLED phone., i dont have any kind of color uniformity but i can see the strong blue tint in white when i look at the screen from an angle, and its really distracting me too much. I dont know if i go to warranty and they can fix it.
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I just bought a s7 flat 2 weeks ago and its my first AMOLED phone., i dont have any kind of color uniformity but i can see the strong blue tint in white when i look at the screen from an angle, and its really distracting me too much. I dont know if i go to warranty and they can fix it.
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No, as that is the nature of the technology. When viewed at an angle, LCDs maintain color uniformity but lose saturation, brightness and contrast. AMOLEDs shift to blue green but maintain saturation, brightness and contrast. Refer to my post above (#4) and check out the picture.
CafeKampuchia said:
No, as that is the nature of the technology. When viewed at an angle, LCDs maintain color uniformity but lose saturation, brightness and contrast. AMOLEDs shift to blue green but maintain saturation, brightness and contrast. Refer to my post above (#4) and check out the picture.
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I see it, and i aggree with you but, color shift is more disturbing then losing brightness. Its not affecting when using phone most times but whenever i use my phone with one hand and try to open notifications, blue tint is appearing and i really hate it. Actually iam in love with blacks of amoled screen, but this thing is driving me crazy. Maybe i am just too sensitive this color changes.
And btw, my father have a Galaxy A3, and it has exactly same blue tint on his phone too. I Think samsung should something to fix it for next Galaxy S. Its really annoying.
OFFlee said:
And btw, my father have a Galaxy A3, and it has exactly same blue tint on his phone too. I Think samsung should something to fix it for next Galaxy S. Its really annoying.
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It has to do with the varying luminescence and longevity of the various colored pixels. AMOLEDs have been like that since the beginning and it won't be fixed by the next generation of devices. Once you get in the habit of keeping the phone perpendicular to your eyes, it's not so bothersome. Then you go back to an LCD and see that it looks so flat and dim and decide it's totally worth it.
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Lol.. it would be a shame then if apple goes with amoled displays in future ��! Anyway you seem very clear about your preference of the display type so I'm not going to contest that, but I would say that lcd displays are not free from fault like amoleds and they do have issues like backlight bleeding, abnormal tints, non-uniformity issues, dead / stuck pixels etc.
BTW, I'm not here to preach about amoled or lcds, it's only my own experience with both the display types in the past. My experiences might vary from yours but I've always had them better with samoled screens than lcds.
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Sorry, didn't mean to sound so dogmatic. I really don't dislike AMOLEDs, the imperfections just frustrate me on such a high end device. You're exactly right that LCD's can also have flaws, but I see them much less than I see them in AMOLED panels - which is just inherent to the two different types of technology and how well the OEMs implement them. I was able to exchange the one in the photos of this thread for a new one (two guys at the store agreed it was an issue) and while the new one isn't perfect, it's MUCH better to where it's not all I see now.
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Then you go back to an LCD and see that it looks so flat and dim and decide it's totally worth it.
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There is truth in this statement. Despite my overall preference for LCD, when I use AMOLED for a period of time and go back, it's a two-fold reaction... one reaction is slight relief on my eyes, but the other reaction is getting used to the "dullness" - though I find I get used to that much faster than I get used to the high contrast when going from LCD to AMOLED. I would imagine if I stuck to a phone for more than a few months and that phone was AMOLED, the change back to LCD would be even more difficult.
if you have polarized sunglasses then lcd display is a curse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5snWrD6txI
Disappointed this is still an issue with AMOLED screens, this frustrated me to no end on my Galaxy S2 where the screen would shift yellow from one end to the other. Glad you posted this thread as it's not a widely addressed issue, guess I'm going with HTC 10.
I've never noticed this on any of my AMOLED displays. Nor have I noticed any burn in, and I'm not sure what you mean by "other inconsistencies," but if you mean sample to sample variation that affects LCD panels, too. And if you don't like the high contrast, that's adjustable in Display settings.
What I have noticed is vibrant color and ease of using in daylight that no LCD panel can match. Or even come close to. I guess I'm done with LCDs.
I received my Axon 7 on Wednesday this week. The AMOLED screen does have very good blacks and looks vibrant, but there is an issue I haven't seen discussed - I'm trying to determine if its just my phone, an issue with AMOLED in general, or perhaps a coating specific to the Axon 7:
When I view the phone directly, whites look correct (warm, natural or cool depending on the Display setting). However, turning the phone even a little off-axis, 10-20° either vertically or horizontally, introduces a very small blue shift - whites especially take on a bluish, sort of washed-out cast. It makes the colors seem much more shallow and unreliable. Can those of you who received your phones go to a WHITE or light-color screen and report if this happens for you too?
This is actually hard to identify, most people will just see something is a little "off" - to my eye, it looked like a very subtle version of a TN-panel color shift. I never have seen this on an IPS panel, though off-angles may get washed out (see Nexus 5/5X) quickly at 50-60°, they always retain their color, even if it lightens. Or, e.g., the Moto X Pure 2K IPS panel that I'm coming from has zero off-angle color shift, no wash-out, and just darkens a little even at 180°. This is my first AMOLED panel, so I'm not sure if it happens often.
If anyone can help me determine whether this is a defect or an expected limitation, that would be great.
I've noticed it on my A7 too. This is my first AMOLED phone, so I too am not sure if this is normal.
I see it also. Thanks a lot now I won't be able to insert it.
For now I will blame the screen protector that came in the screen.
Welcome to Amoled.
The cheap screen protector contributes too,
Thanks, all - I guess it's just the phone then. I actually don't have the screen protector insert applied, so I assume the "screen protector" refers to the factory glass overlay.
Does anyone know if even the new Samsung AMOLEDs exhibit this shift? I think the Axon 7 is technically a Samsung panel, but I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung kept the best AMOLED technology for themselves.
Not sure this is a dealbreaker, but it's definitely a step down from the great color-true viewing angles on the Moto X Pure. (Too bad Moto abandoned the good design the Moto X Pure had for gimmicky snap-on modules this year rather than iterating - it seems like the Axon 7 is otherwise the spiritual successor to the MXP.)
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Thanks, all - I guess it's just the phone then. I actually don't have the screen protector insert applied, so I assume the "screen protector" refers to the factory glass overlay.
Does anyone know if even the new Samsung AMOLEDs exhibit this shift? I think the Axon 7 is technically a Samsung panel, but I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung kept the best AMOLED technology for themselves.
Not sure this is a dealbreaker, but it's definitely a step down from the great color-true viewing angles on the Moto X Pure. (Too bad Moto abandoned the good design the Moto X Pure had for gimmicky snap-on modules this year rather than iterating - it seems like the Axon 7 is otherwise the spiritual successor to the MXP.)
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Of course Samsung keeps the top production panel for themselves... However, it's still a great panel according to colorimetry tests.
Don't notice it on my unit. Jumped from a galaxy S7 edge to the Axon 7 and the display looks exactly the same to me.
This is an area that has driven me a little crazy. I'm used to my Samsung AMOLEDs (Note 4, Note 3, S3, etc.), and they don't have any noticeable "shift", This screen is gorgeous, but it's not a top-tier Samsung panel (obviously). Still, small price to pay for a 400 dollar savings over a Note 7. I am also positive the matte screen protector isn't helping. Once my tempered glass one gets here, I will switch it out and see if it makes a difference.
Which tempered glass screen protector are you getting? I have not read one good review for any of them...yet.
As an update, I went and tried some floor model Galaxy phones at the mall, and they actually had worse off-axis blue shift. Not sure if that's because of the initial screen quality, or that it got worse over time.
Does anyone know of any AMOLED phone (specific model) that does not have any perceptible shift? Does anyone know if the shift gets worse over time?
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I received my Axon 7 on Wednesday this week. The AMOLED screen does have very good blacks and looks vibrant, but there is an issue I haven't seen discussed - I'm trying to determine if its just my phone, an issue with AMOLED in general, or perhaps a coating specific to the Axon 7:
When I view the phone directly, whites look correct (warm, natural or cool depending on the Display setting). However, turning the phone even a little off-axis, 10-20° either vertically or horizontally, introduces a very small blue shift - whites especially take on a bluish, sort of washed-out cast. It makes the colors seem much more shallow and unreliable. Can those of you who received your phones go to a WHITE or light-color screen and report if this happens for you too?
This is actually hard to identify, most people will just see something is a little "off" - to my eye, it looked like a very subtle version of a TN-panel color shift. I never have seen this on an IPS panel, though off-angles may get washed out (see Nexus 5/5X) quickly at 50-60°, they always retain their color, even if it lightens. Or, e.g., the Moto X Pure 2K IPS panel that I'm coming from has zero off-angle color shift, no wash-out, and just darkens a little even at 180°. This is my first AMOLED panel, so I'm not sure if it happens often.
If anyone can help me determine whether this is a defect or an expected limitation, that would be great.
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I believe others are correct that it is the cheap screen protector. Plastics is refracting the light leaving the phone. Since blue light refracts more (the reason the sky and sea is blue). you will then to get more blue especially at certain angles.
I don't think tempered glass of the same thickness will make a significant difference but i do recommend getting a tempered glass protection because the cheap plastic one will surely be scratched very quickly. There a lot of things that will cause increased color shift, but I am not sure its a huge issue. I don't think accurate color is needed off axis. I could be wrong. I typically only look at the screen off axis when I am trying to take a odd angle picture or too lazy to move when I am in bed.
If any one does find a screen protector that distorts less please let us know.
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I believe others are correct that it is the cheap screen protector. Plastics is refracting the light leaving the phone. Since blue light refracts more (the reason the sky and sea is blue). you will then to get more blue especially at certain angles.
I don't think tempered glass of the same thickness will make a significant difference but i do recommend getting a tempered glass protection because the cheap plastic one will surely be scratched very quickly. There a lot of things that will cause increased color shift, but I am not sure its a huge issue. I don't think accurate color is needed off axis. I could be wrong. I typically only look at the screen off axis when I am trying to take a odd angle picture or too lazy to move when I am in bed.
If any one does find a screen protector that distorts less please let us know.
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The first thing I did was remove the screen protector, and I still notice a blue-ish shift at angles. It's minor though, and it's definitely not a dealbreaker.
xtermmin said:
The first thing I did was remove the screen protector, and I still notice a blue-ish shift at angles. It's minor though, and it's definitely not a dealbreaker.
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AMOLED screens are typically like that. When I get on the bus and see people using their galaxies, it always looks cyan from an angle. LCD technology loses contrast at angles, whereas AMOLED has chroma shift.
HonestOtter said:
I believe others are correct that it is the cheap screen protector. Plastics is refracting the light leaving the phone. Since blue light refracts more (the reason the sky and sea is blue). you will then to get more blue especially at certain angles.
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If any one does find a screen protector that distorts less please let us know.
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Just to be clear - the color shift happens without any additional protector. Someone else used the word "protector," but I only have the bare Gorilla Glass in front of the AMOLED screen, no plastic or other layer added.
I see it as well with no screen protector on.
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Just to be clear - the color shift happens without any additional protector. Someone else used the word "protector," but I only have the bare Gorilla Glass in front of the AMOLED screen, no plastic or other layer added.
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I never understood why phone makers use glass. Just make it plastic with a removable glass screen protector that the user can replace if broken. My GF dropped her phone, The tempered glass protector broke but protected the glass screen.
I do like that the S7 active has a plastic screen just wish all companies did this.
Hello,
I have the same issue with 5 devices I was testing. Every Axon 7 had the issue with the color shift from a red tint, to a blue tint when tilted.
Is there someone without the issue or is it really normal?
Draygon said:
Hello,
I have the same issue with 5 devices I was testing. Every Axon 7 had the issue with the color shift from a red tint, to a blue tint when tilted.
Is there someone without the issue or is it really normal?
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I guess it's the pentile arrangement, since blue subpixels are larger
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