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Asus really doesn't know when the marshmallow update is coming.

Asus rep is saying on reddit that they failed to keep the promise https://www.reddit.com/r/zenfone2/comments/4pmnxe/zenfone_selfie_marshmallow/d4rvvsf
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It will come. Late, but it will come.
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Khang gone to Nextbit. Good for him.

Alright. Enough waiting.

2day ago.. Asus france twitter said release this week. and today reddit asus employee say delay..
srsly asus?? so confuse...

yesterday I talked with Asus Support Spain, and they told me the OTA update is already deployed...
But I do not think so.... I guess that was the plan, but they had to abort it

I'd rather have an upgrade that works than a buggy one released on time. I don't know how you can put a date on development like that anyhow.
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kenbo111 said:
I'd rather have an upgrade that works than a buggy one released on time. I don't know how you can put a date on development like that anyhow.
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Wtf dude any other flagship/older flagships from any other company got marshmallow, i dont care why it's delayed but it's their fault for sure. "How can I put a date?!?" Simply, we had cm 13 for months without source, they had source and still failed, and from bet I don't see anything new besides new android version. Upgrading from one version to another stopped being a problem for OEMs long time ago, now they are just ******* whit us. No new interface, no new camera, nothing, I mean where did they spent all this month's?
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for those who doesen't know italian: Asus Italy confirm the release of MM for ze551ml during this week

micuzzo77 said:
for those who doesen't know italian: Asus Italy confirm the release of MM for ze551ml during this week
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50% true 50% untrusted

They added the release notes for MM for ZE550KL and ZE551KL today on Zentalk.
I hope our ZE551ML will come soon.

ElmirBuljubasic said:
Wtf dude any other flagship/older flagships from any other company got marshmallow, i dont care why it's delayed but it's their fault for sure. "How can I put a date?!?" Simply, we had cm 13 for months without source, they had source and still failed, and from bet I don't see anything new besides new android version. Upgrading from one version to another stopped being a problem for OEMs long time ago, now they are just ******* whit us. No new interface, no new camera, nothing, I mean where did they spent all this month's?
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Got it for my Galaxy S5 3 weeks ago. Also got it on my brothers LG G3 2 weeks ago. I don't mind waiting until it is tested and out of Beta. Running Beta MM on my ZE551 ML, so I am content right now. Patience is a virtue.
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So, it's 1st July already and Q2 is officially over. No update anywhere to be seen and this shows that Asus has failed. How's that? Well, they promised that they will release it at the end of Q2 and they have to brake the promise. That shows that we can't trust anything in Asus anymore. Of course, they shouldn't have made that promise if they know that they would have needed more time for the development. But it looks like that Asus itself don't even know when they are going to release it. To all the fanboys/fangirls here, you can defend Asus as much as you want, but you need to realise that not everything is perfect with Asus' mobile section. And you should also accept critics even though I know you hate to read or see it. You are the consumer and you have your rights too. Don't let Asus play with you around and tell them that you can not accept this kind of behaviour. Fanboy-ish behaviour is annoying and not helpful at all. You cannot ignore mistakes forever and pretend that nothing has happened.
We should remind ourselves that Asus has called the ZF2 a flagship device in 2015, and not just some midrange device that are for beginners. Now, look, the official software as of today is 5.0. Pretty much just one version above Android KitKat which is see by the Android community as an outdated operating system. Ok, Asus did some security patches in between which is a fine thing, but why would they refuse to update to let's say 5.1.1 at least, which is Android Lollipops major bugfix by Google. So, basically, Asus tried to fix the problems itself instead of taking over the patch from Google. The ZF2 is an Android device, and not only Asus should tinker around with the software, pretending the OS as only their work. Now, many older flagships has reached ar least 5.1.1 for sure (exept maybe carrier controlled phones, but that's another problem) and the Zenfone 2 is still nowhere near more up-to-date software. Perhaps Asus is just too busy playing around with their own user interface and launcher, not caring enough about the base Android version. Even more surprising is that it looks like that a MM update will bring not much new. The only positive thing I could see is that that they start debloating the firmware. But, as some kind of some bad joke, they throw in some kind of Dr. Whatever bull**** anti virus app which an Android operating system doesn't need at all.
Here we are, the beta has rolled out, the official release has been delayed and people here are still being too optimistic, or more likely, being delusional thinking that everything is OK and normal. A company can only improve their strategy when they see their own mistakes. If we don't tell them that something isn't right, they will just go on doing the same mistakes like now. Remember, a company needs consumers, that means our words ate very important and can have some effect on things.
Asus, you're going into the wrong direction.
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ChiDi9901 said:
So, it's 1st July already and Q2 is officially over. No update anywhere to be seen and this shows that Asus has failed. How's that? Well, they promised that they will release it at the end of Q2 and they have to brake the promise. That shows that we can't trust anything in Asus anymore. Of course, they shouldn't have made that promise if they know that they would have needed more time for the development. But it looks like that Asus itself don't even know when they are going to release it. To all the fanboys/fangirls here, you can defend Asus as much as you want, but you need to realise that not everything is perfect with Asus' mobile section. And you should also accept critics even though I know you hate to read or see it. You are the consumer and you have your rights too. Don't let Asus play with you around and tell them that you can not accept this kind of behaviour. Fanboy-ish behaviour is annoying and not helpful at all. You cannot ignore mistakes forever and pretend that nothing has happened.
We should remind ourselves that Asus has called the ZF2 a flagship device in 2015, and not just some midrange device that are for beginners. Now, look, the official software as of today is 5.0. Pretty much just one version above Android KitKat which is see by the Android community as an outdated operating system. Ok, Asus did some security patches in between which is a fine thing, but why would they refuse to update to let's say 5.1.1 at least, which is Android Lollipops major bugfix by Google. So, basically, Asus tried to fix the problems itself instead of taking over the patch from Google. The ZF2 is an Android device, and not only Asus should tinker around with the software, pretending the OS as only their work. Now, many older flagships has reached ar least 5.1.1 for sure (exept maybe carrier controlled phones, but that's another problem) and the Zenfone 2 is still nowhere near more up-to-date software. Perhaps Asus is just too busy playing around with their own user interface and launcher, not caring enough about the base Android version. Even more surprising is that it looks like that a MM update will bring not much new. The only positive thing I could see is that that they start debloating the firmware. But, as some kind of some bad joke, they throw in some kind of Dr. Whatever bull**** anti virus app which an Android operating system doesn't need at all.
Here we are, the beta has rolled out, the official release has been delayed and people here are still being too optimistic, or more likely, being delusional thinking that everything is OK and normal. A company can only improve their strategy when they see their own mistakes. If we don't tell them that something isn't right, they will just go on doing the same mistakes like now. Remember, a company needs consumers, that means our words ate very important and can have some effect on things.
Asus, you're going into the wrong direction.
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OK, my problem is not really that you are complaining. It's that you are complaining HERE. This is a developers forum not an Asus forum. If you want to tell them your grievances go to asus talk and do it there. Doing it here just makes you sound like a whiner, because there's nothing XDA or any of us can do about it.
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kenbo111 said:
OK, my problem is not really that you are complaining. It's that you are complaining HERE. This is a developers forum not an Asus forum. If you want to tell them your grievances go to asus talk and do it there. Doing it here just makes you sound like a whiner, because there's nothing XDA or any of us can do about it.
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Well, that's strange if you say that. Because this thread has also nothing much to do with development in its sense. Nobody can do much about the delay. And I didn't expect help from anybody, why do you think so? Aren't we discussing here?
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ChiDi9901 said:
So, it's 1st July already and Q2 is officially over. No update anywhere to be seen and this shows that Asus has failed. How's that? Well, they promised that they will release it at the end of Q2 and they have to brake the promise. That shows that we can't trust anything in Asus anymore. Of course, they shouldn't have made that promise if they know that they would have needed more time for the development. But it looks like that Asus itself don't even know when they are going to release it. To all the fanboys/fangirls here, you can defend Asus as much as you want, but you need to realise that not everything is perfect with Asus' mobile section. And you should also accept critics even though I know you hate to read or see it. You are the consumer and you have your rights too. Don't let Asus play with you around and tell them that you can not accept this kind of behaviour. Fanboy-ish behaviour is annoying and not helpful at all. You cannot ignore mistakes forever and pretend that nothing has happened.
We should remind ourselves that Asus has called the ZF2 a flagship device in 2015, and not just some midrange device that are for beginners. Now, look, the official software as of today is 5.0. Pretty much just one version above Android KitKat which is see by the Android community as an outdated operating system. Ok, Asus did some security patches in between which is a fine thing, but why would they refuse to update to let's say 5.1.1 at least, which is Android Lollipops major bugfix by Google. So, basically, Asus tried to fix the problems itself instead of taking over the patch from Google. The ZF2 is an Android device, and not only Asus should tinker around with the software, pretending the OS as only their work. Now, many older flagships has reached ar least 5.1.1 for sure (exept maybe carrier controlled phones, but that's another problem) and the Zenfone 2 is still nowhere near more up-to-date software. Perhaps Asus is just too busy playing around with their own user interface and launcher, not caring enough about the base Android version. Even more surprising is that it looks like that a MM update will bring not much new. The only positive thing I could see is that that they start debloating the firmware. But, as some kind of some bad joke, they throw in some kind of Dr. Whatever bull**** anti virus app which an Android operating system doesn't need at all.
Here we are, the beta has rolled out, the official release has been delayed and people here are still being too optimistic, or more likely, being delusional thinking that everything is OK and normal. A company can only improve their strategy when they see their own mistakes. If we don't tell them that something isn't right, they will just go on doing the same mistakes like now. Remember, a company needs consumers, that means our words ate very important and can have some effect on things.
Asus, you're going into the wrong direction.
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Feel like just wastingtime around here and zentalk for officialMM from asus.

Asus missed the Q2 deadline for the ZE55xML's. Not the end of the world. Verizon customers wait way longer for updates if they even get any.
My backup phone, a ZE551KL, got MM this morning. Nothing special other than it setting a crap load of stuff back to default settings.

What I expect from ASUs in MM is
Better Battery Life and Power management...
Better Ram management...
Nothing more

Trotter516 said:
Asus missed the Q2 deadline for the ZE55xML's. Not the end of the world. Verizon customers wait way longer for updates if they even get any.
My backup phone, a ZE551KL, got MM this morning. Nothing special other than it setting a crap load of stuff back to default settings.
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Yes but they also give a timeline, if i multi millionaire company can't keep it up i don't think they are even worth it. Also OEM =/= verizon

Wow, this is the second time that the manufacturer of my phone promises an update, than backs out of their promise.
First it was with Samsung Note 2 and the Lollipop update, when Samsung teased us for over six months with hints and suggestions that Note 2 will be updated to L, then I got fed up with them when instead of the L update, they released another 4.4.2 version, which made the N2 slow to the point of borderline unusable, and told that N2 isn't going to be updated to L (although there are still some poor souls in Samsung N2 section, that are searching for hints about the update on various Samsung twitter accounts), and switched to Zenfone 2.
Now it's the same story all over again with ASUS. I think that the only way to get M for me is to wait until my warranty's over, root my phone, and continue my Search For The Incredible with a custom AOSP rom.

Any news on when we getting Oreo?

What the tittle says

Yes there is, we'll get it in 2 months period.

Any ideas why so long? Sony already got it and they are skinned as well as others are close behind like Samsung with their beta tests and htc why is this one taking so long to push since it is almost pure?

tixooo said:
Any ideas why so long? Sony already got it and they are skinned as well as others are close behind like Samsung with their beta tests and htc why is this one taking so long to push since it is almost pure?
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Sony have a much bigger dev team, plus sony has a large community of devs and testers that work for free since they release all their code to open source.

But is this not like the purest of Android ... On paper it should be just plug test and play for the A1?

In principle, yes. But I going by the apparent fact that Google isn't in charge of software but xiaomi is, my guess is that is the reason why there is no oreo yet...

I presume. I've heard good things for this company let's see how this phone will hold up to what people say

I think that the Andorid One topic is quite new for them (too) and they just have to collect their experience first so I'm pretty sure for the following updates they will get more and more routine so this is just the beginning....

With Android One, doesn't Google control the OS updates like in Pixel. We get security fixes along with Pixel

Android one suppose to be the first device after pixel and nexus to get Oreo.
Devices are getting beta version or something of Oreo.
And we are just waiting ,
Don't want to rush anything but atleast a official comment on the Oreo for android one would be grate...

They says by the end of this year,its mean December,calm down

I have a friend working in Mi China and he says their Target is indeed for December 2017. So let's just all chill out till then.

From what I guess Google isn't really controlling the updates of mi a1. STOCK android doesn't support capacitive nav bars and a IR sensor too. Moreover there are dual cameras on this phone. So mi has to so tweaks to accommodate all this. That's why it must be taking some time.

sooti said:
Sony have a much bigger dev team, plus sony has a large community of devs and testers that work for free since they release all their code to open source.
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In principle, yes. But I going by the apparent fact that Google isn't in charge of software but xiaomi is, my guess is that is the reason why there is no oreo yet...
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There is nothing like this. Android one is a program which ensures every updates not faster updates. So keep calm. They will release it by 31st Dec.
The update chain is not that what u r thinking right now.
Google - Processor manufacturers - OEMs - Beta testers - OEM - Public Release.

As far as what I've seen and heard on mi community discussions some guy had posted a pic of his discussion with one of the representatives from Xiaomi. It said that they werent sure on when they are going to release the update as they haven't finalized the date yet. They said that it could be in late january 2018

Santosh Kolur said:
As far as what I've seen and heard on mi community discussions some guy had posted a pic of his discussion with one of the representatives from Xiaomi. It said that they werent sure on when they are going to release the update as they haven't finalized the date yet. They said that it could be in late january 2018
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If a random representative said that, must be true

I would give them 2-3 days more before I start having my doubts . They've said by end of December ..so no point rushing unless . Just hope there aren't any major bugs in the beta

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The problem is the heavily doctored version of android that Xiaomi have included with this device and the inbuilt spyware.
Still no Oreo
Still no Kernel.
Not pure/stock Android.
THE TIME FOR ACTION IS NOW. - we should not stand for this any longer.
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Looking to buy this device, can you tell me the spyware you have come across.

So someone asked on Twitter about Oreo update and Xiaomi says "Its coming really soon!"
Source: https://twitter.com/xiaomi/status/944922239643684864

Nice thread about Oreo Kappa
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February Security update (Retin) is out now !

I'm glad there is finally something came when I clicked the update button after a long time. And here it is, February security update after skipping January and releasing it after mid March, what a great speed of updates. I was hoping for Oreo but Motorola wants to take their time I think. Expected to get Oreo by mid April or they'll just troll us by pushing a March security patch.

Update is of 57mb if you're wondering.

It's ridiculous how the heavily skinned S8 gets Oreo way before near stock Android Moto. Nokia on the other hand is already on 8.1. I hope Moto upgrade directly to 8.1 if they're taking this long.

uchihakurtz said:
It's ridiculous how the heavily skinned S8 gets Oreo way before near stock Android Moto. Nokia on the other hand is already on 8.1. I hope Moto upgrade directly to 8.1 if they're taking this long.
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It's not about skinning, it's about priorities - Moto Z Play is almost 2-year non-flagship device, so you should be happy, that you'll get update. Moto Z2 Force, which is newest flagship is already on Oreo for some time...

uchihakurtz said:
It's ridiculous how the heavily skinned S8 gets Oreo way before near stock Android Moto. Nokia on the other hand is already on 8.1. I hope Moto upgrade directly to 8.1 if they're taking this long.
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It's 8.0 and as pointed out this phone is already old and a non flagship. Comparing this to a S8 is like comparing apples to oranges.

Apple is not on Android but oranges may be
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uchihakurtz said:
It's ridiculous how the heavily skinned S8 gets Oreo way before near stock Android Moto. Nokia on the other hand is already on 8.1. I hope Moto upgrade directly to 8.1 if they're taking this long.
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I read about project treble, it seems the problem with slow updates is vendor implementation. Lenovo just want to slow updates for older phones so people will get frustrated and buy their new phones. It's just a theory, maybe something else is the problem for slow updates. I think in couple of months they'll push last updates to MZP, no expectations for Android P because how slow they are pushing updates, it seems like they just want to get rid of their older devices. It's a common market parctice so I don't have any problem but thanks to XDA developers for making custom roms so users can enjoy new android in older phones too.

They used to be so fast when they were Motorola.. now they are a Lenovo company and SLOW AS HELL.

The phone feels snappier after this security update... maybe I'm dreaming

huma_dawii said:
They used to be so fast when they were Motorola.. now they are a Lenovo company and SLOW AS HELL.
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But still going strong. As said above, our phone is quite old and Moto is still supporting it. You got security update, SOAK testers got 4th build today. I really respect that they are listening testers' feedback, not just releasing major update and letting people to stuck with the buggy one. Which other vendor is putting so much effort?

Zeljko1234 said:
But still going strong. As said above, our phone is quite old and Moto is still supporting it. You got security update, SOAK testers got 4th build today. I really respect that they are listening testers' feedback, not just releasing major update and letting people to stuck with the buggy one. Which other vendor is putting so much effort?
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i m on second build

Zeljko1234 said:
But still going strong. As said above, our phone is quite old and Moto is still supporting it. You got security update, SOAK testers got 4th build today. I really respect that they are listening testers' feedback, not just releasing major update and letting people to stuck with the buggy one. Which other vendor is putting so much effort?
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And how stable is 4th one? Less buggy then the 3rd one?

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And how stable is 4th one? Less buggy then the 3rd one?
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So far so good but I have to check bugs other users are reporting. Some bugs, like stability, battery drain, etc. are showing up after couple of days. It's not clever to install update, test few things and then report right away that everything works.

Zeljko1234 said:
So far so good but I have to check bugs other users are reporting. Some bugs, like stability, battery drain, etc. are showing up after couple of days. It's not clever to install update, test few things and then report right away that everything works.
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Whatcha mean? I see a ton of people doing just that.. I love the random unresponsiveness still.

Zeljko1234 said:
But still going strong. As said above, our phone is quite old and Moto is still supporting it. You got security update, SOAK testers got 4th build today. I really respect that they are listening testers' feedback, not just releasing major update and letting people to stuck with the buggy one. Which other vendor is putting so much effort?
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newer build number please,

Here you go

My moto z play is RETEU. Why am I still on the December 2017 sesurity patch? Does anyone know?

formula2 said:
My moto z play is RETEU. Why am I still on the December 2017 sesurity patch? Does anyone know?
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Same

abhishekiswithyou said:
newer build number please,
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opn27.76-12-13

Are we getting Android P?

It is a pity that this question should even be asked even though the V20 is less than 2 years old.
Normally the phone should get 2 major software updates in 2 years. However, since we do not have android oreo yet, one begins to wonder. It will be very nice to have android P though.
Pixel and adroid one phones are looking interesting to me nowadays just because of software updates.
What do you guys think?

Android P is just a preview. We do not know anything about Android P update policies for LG devices.

The chances for an official Andriod P is 50/50 . They may just give up given how poorly this phone sold. But it will definitely meet the minimum requirements for it. But through Roms /LOS we might get 2 major updates and if we're lucky 3.

Like xda member wrote its 50/50. But by the time the v20 gets it you're probably going to have another phone lol

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Like xda member wrote its 50/50. But by the time the v20 gets it you're probably going to have another phone lol
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That preety much sums it up if the updates arent in sync with the OS release, then eventually youll out grow your phone for a better one.

im stil on 7.0 lol at this rate i;ll be on V60 by the time my v20 gets upgraded if at all.

Ak7J4 said:
The chances for an official Andriod P is 50/50 . They may just give up given how poorly this phone sold. But it will definitely meet the minimum requirements for it. But through Roms /LOS we might get 2 major updates and if we're lucky 3.
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When it comes to ROM, I guess it depends more on developers than the hardware. The Galaxy S3 is 6 years old by now, and developers are still working on Oreo for it.

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When it comes to ROM, I guess it depends more on developers than the hardware. The Galaxy S3 is 6 years old by now, and developers are still working on Oreo for it.
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True the S3 is still getting support but the S3 had significantly higher sales than the V20 , and possibly more devs

Nope

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Regarding future updates

update 3rd Nov: Asus rolling out updates for Zenfone 6
https://www.xda-developers.com/asus-zenfone-6-android-10-update/
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Received update 59. Just security fixes. Does anyone know till how long we will receive updates?
I remember reading way back that we will receive two major Android updates so Android 10 also?
If not wanted to know anyone has used lineage os or another rom for this device and their experiences.

We are supposed to receive Android 10. There's no ETA on it. My device came with 8.1, 340 update and subsequently I received regular updates (056 to 059) and I think it'll be a while till we keep getting them. Asus has been regular on doing this. Apart from battery issues and drops, there aren't any issues to these.

Yup. I too remember the 2 year sw upgrade. I tweeted to asus. They said that they are reviewing whether they are going to push the update 10 update to m1 or not. Apparently they care too much about "stability and experience". They said the list of devices is gonna be out very soon on their official website. This was 4-5days back.

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Yup. I too remember the 2 year sw upgrade. I tweeted to asus. They said that they are reviewing whether they are going to push the update 10 update to m1 or not. Apparently they care too much about "stability and experience". They said the list of devices is gonna be out very soon on their official website. This was 4-5days back.
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Stability? If they push it for Max Pro M2, it's going to be a big bluff and nothing else. There's not major difference between M1 & M2 hardwares and if M2 can manage it, so can M1.

debdeep98 said:
Yup. I too remember the 2 year sw upgrade. ... They said the list of devices is gonna be out very soon on their official website. This was 4-5days back.
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We have list from other manufactures hope so Asus releases soon.
https://fossbytes.com/android-q-smartphone-list/

SpiralX15 said:
Stability? If they push it for Max Pro M2, it's going to be a big bluff and nothing else. There's not major difference between M1 & M2 hardwares and if M2 can manage it, so can M1.
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Is not the m2 a 660 chipset and m1 is 636?

pankym24 said:
Is not the m2 a 660 chipset and m1 is 636?
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Yes but in real world condition it wouldn't matter there's not much difference in day to day tasks. Updating M2 would just be an excuse to give to people to buy the new model instead of the year old M1.
Detailed Comparo: https://www.guidingtech.com/snapdragon-636-vs-660-comparison/

SpiralX15 said:
Yes but in real world condition it wouldn't matter there's not much difference in day to day tasks. Updating M2 would just be an excuse to give to people to buy the new model instead of the year old M1.
Detailed Comparo: https://www.guidingtech.com/snapdragon-636-vs-660-comparison/
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both 660 and 636 uses same motherboard what so ever so they both are just same cpus with just little different internals

Update for Zenfone 6 begins
https://www.xda-developers.com/asus-zenfone-6-android-10-update/
no official list released yet.

pankym24 said:
https://www.xda-developers.com/asus-zenfone-6-android-10-update/
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I'm counting on Asus to release a list soon. M2 Pro will get the first update in the series I assume. Rest will follow.

Sadly, I've never seen a phone improve with new versions of Android, and the same goes for M1: only problems and battery drain after Pie update.
Why don't vendors keep the native version of Android on every phone and just provide security fixes?
Is it not possible because of Android's development strategy?
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Lulodroid said:
Sadly, I've never seen a phone improve with new versions of Android, and the same goes for M1: only problems and battery drain after Pie update.
Why don't vendors keep the native version of Android on every phone and just provide security fixes?
Is it not possible because of Android's development strategy?
Bye,
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well the answer is ofcourse money. so that they can churn new phones every year. contrast this with something like the Essential phone which released with Android 7 in August 2017 and still got Android 10 recently.
It's perfectly possible to have a phone that can last as long as computers. projects like librem from purism plan to do just that.

pankym24 said:
well the answer is ofcourse money. so that they can churn new phones every year. contrast this with something like the Essential phone which released with Android 7 in August 2017 and still got Android 10 recently.
It's perfectly possible to have a phone that can last as long as computers. projects like librem from purism plan to do just that.
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That's not what other person said. He meant an android should keep its original android version (the android on which it is launched) and just receive security updates.

z1_nile said:
That's not what other person said. He meant an android should keep its original android version (the android on which it is launched) and just receive security updates.
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oh I misunderstood native to mean a pure Android experience.
Then yes the Android update system does have some technical challenges well documented on various websites.
To summarize I'd say the first blocker is that Google stops supporting older Android versions after some time. Iirc they support the latest two versions of Android. So maybe they will drop support for oreo this December?
The second is Android is not based off of the mainline Linux kernel so it's harder to backport kernel security changes. Google and others worked with the kernel developers to have a long term release branch to receive security updates for longer (at least 2 years).
A third would be if OEMs like Asus have a limited contact with chip vendors like Qualcomm to provide blob updates for x years. usually the support warranty of the device.

z1_nile said:
That's not what other person said. He meant an android should keep its original android version (the android on which it is launched) and just receive security updates.
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What he wants should be fairly possible on all devices that have run Android 8 (native) ever since Project Treble has started.