Anyone experience noticeable input lag on both the stock controller and Dualshock 3? Is there any fix for this? Or it is simply bad design on OUYA's part rendering it useless for gaming (it's intended use).
It is definitely not my setup. On my HDTV I have 120Hz off, it set to Game Mode, and all the other recommended tweaks. Also PS3 plays on it wonderfully with no noticeable input lag whatsoever.
While the OUYA is a mediocre device in a lot of ways, it seemed worth it for $100, but input latency is the most basic of functionality, especially in gaming where extremely responsive controls are absolutely required.
Turn OUYA on its side. I have not had lag since I did this. Cools better too.
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Turn OUYA on its side. I have not had lag since I did this. Cools better too.
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Interesting, I never thought of that
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Turn OUYA on its side. I have not had lag since I did this. Cools better too.
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Lol
My lag has improved though, I went back through all the recommended tweaks from various sites, and am now using the Dualshock 3 on bluetooth, overall a much better experience now.
Never noticed any lag, but if your TV even has a "game mode" then it's probably your TV.
I have found that I had controller issues in some rooms but not others, I had a wireless mouse in the same room where I suffered problems, so I pulled the batteries out and made sure all other electrical equipment was turned off and it all worked fine, clearly other equipment was interfering with the signal.
When running correctly I don't experience any lag as such from the console, or it is so low that it doesn't have any affect on my gaming.
Some gamers mistake the existence of dead zones on the controllers as lag, the sticks don't register a movement until you push them so far. Also some games have lag because of bad programming or using old/incorrect controller plugins, most are fixed now though.
Hope that helps...
EDIT: Can everyone who visits this thread please take the time to do a official request for adding the SHIELD Console forums? Just visit the below thread and put in your request please. Thanks
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660354
ORIGINAL POST:
Is this a new device coming out this Summer? I don't even see a section at XDA for it, or any mention of it here in these Shield threads, yet its based on Android TV and the Tegra X1, with the below specs. I'm in the market for a Android TV, so this interests me.
http://shield.nvidia.com/
http://shield.nvidia.com/console
Specifications:
Processor NVIDIA® Tegra® X1 processor
256-core Maxwell™ GPU with 3GB RAM
Video Features 4K Ultra-HD ready with 4K playback and capture up to 60 fps (VP9, H265, H264)
Audio 7.1 and 5.1 surround sound pass through over HDMI
High-resolution audio playback up to 24-bit/192 kHz over HDMI and USB
High-resolution audio up-sample to 24-bit/192 kHz over USB
Storage* 16 GB
Wireless 802.11ac 2x2 MIMO 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz Wi-Fi
Bluetooth 4.1/BLE
Interfaces Gigabit Ethernet
HDMI 2.0
Two USB 3.0 (Type A)
Micro-USB 2.0
MicroSD slot
IR Receiver (compatible with Logitech Harmony)
Software Updates SHIELD software upgrades directly from NVIDIA
Gaming Features NVIDIA GRID™ game streaming service
NVIDIA Share
NVIDIA GameStream™
Power 40 W power adapter
Weight and Size Weight: 23 oz / 654 g
Height: 5.1 in / 130 mm
Width: 8.3 in / 210 mm
Depth: 1.0 in / 25 mm
Operating System Android TV™, Google Cast™ Ready
Included Apps = PLEX
It is a new android TV console made by Nvidia. The Cpu/GPU is the latest tegra X1 that is insanely fast! Much faster than Snapdragon 810 and Exynos 7.
Release date is in may and will cost 199$
Just saw some games that will be released like Metal Gear rising? will those be on the cloud or it will run natively on the shield it self? if its only on the cloud the this is not a console its just a streaming device that requires very fast internet which not all countries have specially here in the Philippines
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Just saw some games that will be released like Metal Gear rising? will those be on the cloud or it will run natively on the shield it self? if its only on the cloud the this is not a console its just a streaming device that requires very fast internet which not all countries have specially here in the Philippines
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Games like Crysis 3 will run natively on it (not in the cloud).
(Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)
Correct, there are a few big-name games being modded/re-written to run natively on the platform. Of them, "Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel" , "Doom 3: BFG Edition" , and "Crysis 3". They demoed all of these. Doom3 and Crysis looked like they ran pretty well. Borderlands ran like a slug and obviously needed a lot more optimization.
That being said, they were really pushing the GRID services heavily, and a number of the announced launch titles were actually GRID games (AKA, PC games virtualized in a server center and streamed to your natively like OnLive or Gaikai/PS-Now, but with the improvements that nVidia has learned from the virtualization and distributed/parallel computing sectors). Anybody who has a current SHIELD device (portable or Tablet) and is within the USA should try it on their current devices at least a few times before it goes subscription model. It is currently in beta and free for all Shield devices, but the servers are in the USA, and the lag times may be unacceptable for some games if you are overseas or just have a laggy connection in general. It will officially come out of beta at the time when the Shield Console goes on sale, which will end the year-plus free ride so far.
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Correct, there are a few big-name games being modded/re-written to run natively on the platform. Of them, "Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel" , "Doom 3: BFG Edition" , and "Crysis 3". They demoed all of these. Doom3 and Crysis looked like they ran pretty well. Borderlands ran like a slug and obviously needed a lot more optimization.
That being said, they were really pushing the GRID services heavily, and a number of the announced launch titles were actually GRID games (AKA, PC games virtualized in a server center and streamed to your natively like OnLive or Gaikai/PS-Now, but with the improvements that nVidia has learned from the virtualization and distributed/parallel computing sectors). Anybody who has a current SHIELD device (portable or Tablet) and is within the USA should try it on their current devices at least a few times before it goes subscription model. It is currently in beta and free for all Shield devices, but the servers are in the USA, and the lag times may be unacceptable for some games if you are overseas or just have a laggy connection in general. It will officially come out of beta at the time when the Shield Console goes on sale, which will end the year-plus free ride so far.
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I'm more interested what it will eventually do for media myself. And it MUST be rootable for me to even consider it as an option. The specs, at least for the Android world are nothing short of brilliant. However, again I want media apps mainly, such as Kodi, Plex, Netflix playback and casting to be flawless. For now the Nexus Player still turns me on more even with it being wifi only. However, If the NVIDIA Console becomes rootable with FULL custom Android ROM's I am going to change my mind in a heartbeat though, haha.
Considering that all of the nVidia devices to date have been extremely easy to unlock and root, I'm going to say that, yeah, it is mostly likely going to be root-able. Whether it can handle Kodi/Plex/Netflix/Etc at 4K is up to those developers. I know NetFlix has 4K content, but I'm not sure how they differentiate and enable it to be honest.
I have the Nexus Player, and I honestly feel a bit like a chump for getting it and so soon this device is announced. I can always use it in another room or something though.
The big rub with Android TV so far is that the default UI, the LeanBack Launcher, will not display some apps unless they declare themselves as leanback capable (which includes some XML, an art asset or two for different shape/size icons, navigation by controller/keys, and search-ability in some cases). This is a problem I've run into on my Nexus Player. Now, nVidia may snub the LeanBack launcher and may integrate some LeanBack function into their nVidia Hub (like on the Shield Tablet and Shield Portable) which recognizes dozens of media apps, games, and some other things and has a launcher in its own UI. However, if apps make themselves noted for LeanBack, they show up fine on the normal AndroidTV interface. What is better, if they include search, then you can voice search for titles in media apps, and if it includes some sort of rating or recommendation feature (like Hulu or YouTube) they can integrate that and you can get recommendations of what to watch directly in your launcher UI on the top row. Less important for games, maybe important for Game discovery, but definitely an interesting thing for the media watchers amongst us. I doubt recommendation would work on something like Plex, and KODI is its own UI entirely, skipping LeanBack or even nVidia hub (to be honest, I've never been a fan of XBMC's UI, and Kodi hasn't won me over yet either... too fidgety and I can't trust a 'normal' person to be able to understand and operate it). Like I stated above, the machine has the horsepower, but it will be up to app developers to show up with a "flawless" app that will work on it well.
Casting works pretty damn well on my Nexus Player, so I bet with MIMO capable AC spec WiFi, and also ethernet inclusion, you will get pretty damn good casting from Chromecast apps, as that is built into AndroidTV's OS.
Mind you a lot of this is based upon speculation on specs, existing hardware, and my knowledge of the AndroidTV OS and how it functions. Your mileage may vary, terms and conditions subject to actual reality upon device launch.
Yeah chances are my mileage will most likely vary, unless for some odd reason I am forced to run the stock Android TV experience. Since 2010 I have not ran anything stock, so not even sure what that is like, and pretty sure I don't want to know, lol. I was thinking about a full rom flashed on it immediately out of the box, installing Nova Launcher, my Planets live wallpaper, throwing up all the streaming apps onto the home screen, and hoping it just works like it did for the Nexus Player user on Youtube. I want to setup my own media streamer home page and experience. 4K would be future proof, but I have no plans to get rid of the 1080p TV that this device will be attached to, not before it naturally dies on me. I still like the Nexus Player as it will fit right in with all my other Nexus devices. I just need to see more development work taking place on it.
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Yeah chances are my mileage will most likely vary, unless for some odd reason I am forced to run the stock Android TV experience. Since 2010 I have not ran anything stock, so not even sure what that is like, and pretty sure I don't want to know, lol. I was thinking about a full rom flashed on it immediately out of the box, installing Nova Launcher, my Planets live wallpaper, throwing up all the streaming apps onto the home screen, and hoping it just works like it did for the Nexus Player user on Youtube. I want to setup my own media streamer home page and experience. 4K would be future proof, but I have no plans to get rid of the 1080p TV that this device will be attached to, not before it naturally dies on me. I still like the Nexus Player as it will fit right in with all my other Nexus devices. I just need to see more development work taking place on it.
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I'm still waiting for this device. Hopefully it's better than the garbage that the Razer Forge TV was. The mods and such at the nVidia forums still say it's coming out in may. The Forge didn't release with Netflix, and there might be a chance the same will happen with the Nvidia Shield Android TV, but I'd be ok with Nvidia as they're going to have 4k display support for netflix.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...blet/nvidia-shield-tv-console-release-date/2/
I just got an email from NVIDIA saying its almost here. It starts out saying the wait is over, but then goes on to say its still not available and that they are giving away one Shield Console everyday until it is available to the public. I hate emails that start off telling you the wait is over but then asks you to wait some more, lol...
Its out!
Although only can see USA and Canada
$199.99 for 16GB
$299.99 for 500GB
http://shield.nvidia.com/android-tv
I'm not personally too interested in the gaming aspects but that amount of GPU power will prove very, very interesting. My main hope is that somebody can produce a minimal linux install for HTPC with Kodi and mpv builds, or perhaps just a release of Debian.
This device is the perfect low-cost HTPC. It should have more than sufficient CPU power for 10-bit h.264 and h.265 decode as well as sufficient compute power on the GPU side for EWA-type resamplers for chroma and image. I'm given to understand the X1 has full desktop opengl compatibility so it ought to be fully compatible with mpv (though I'm unsure of the state of the ARM builds).
The denver CPU should be more than enough to handle metadata crawling and the likes via Kodi in a non-sluggish fashion too. Christ, this device needs more videophile attention...
Just ordered mine on Amazon. It'll be here Sunday.
XDA needs a forum for it. This old shield handheld forum is for a completely different device.
Just ordered mine from Amazon US to be delivered to the UK next week by expedited delivery. What an absolute beast of a machine.
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Just ordered mine on Amazon. It'll be here Sunday.
XDA needs a forum for it. This old shield handheld forum is for a completely different device.
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me too!
returning my fire tv to them for a full refund, and getting this
this will be great to stream my pc to the tv so i can play games like witcher 3 in full 4k 50" vs 1080p 24"
and all the other stuff it does
Full review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9289/the-nvidia-shield-android-tv-review
Shield Console Rooting Experience Thus Far...
Got mine this afternoon and after futzing a bit, tried to root it. It came with developer mode already enabled, one hassle for me is that rebooting to fastboot makes the screen blank so I had to fly blind to oem unlock. So, I've got an unlocked system at the moment, but Super SU is still not working because their is no su on the device. Anyone make it any further than me? I also went ahead and cracked it open to see if there were obvious serial port connection points. Looks like there's a nice spot for a laptop hard drive that is probably populated in the Pro model.
I'm going to look into building my own kernel + ramdisk to try and get the necessary tools in place so SuperSU can work, but I'm a bit worried that the screen isn't going to work and so I'll essentially be flying blind through the whole process.
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Looks like there's a nice spot for a laptop hard drive that is probably populated in the Pro model.
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Does that that mean there is an internal SATA connector or not?
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Does that that mean there is an internal SATA connector or not?
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Yeah no SATA connector but there is an option in the settings to install all apps to an external hdd or micro sd card anyways
PS. Anyone know if this will be getting a dedicated XDA Forum? I'll probably be picking one up soon
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Does that that mean there is an internal SATA connector or not?
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Hard to tell for sure, looks like there might be solder points for it, but no header. I've got the 500GB on order, will post the diffs when it arrives.
So for anyone that doesn't know this is Moonlight https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.limelight&hl=en (which used to be called Limelight).
Anyways Moonlight works off the Nvidia streaming service but is available to download off any Android device. I'm wondering if anyone has sideloaded it to their Nexus Player and if they have how does it run?
The Intel CPU and 1GB of RAM seem a bit on the low side compared to the Razer Forge and the NVidia Shield specs but if it runs smoothly I'm thinking of getting the Nexus Player instead of waiting.
Cheers
I can't speak for the Nexus Player as I didn't know about this app while I had it, but I do have the Razer Forge and it works pretty well. Though I'd assume you'll have a better experience than I will if your internet upload and download speed is pretty good.
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I can't speak for the Nexus Player as I didn't know about this app while I had it, but I do have the Razer Forge and it works pretty well. Though I'd assume you'll have a better experience than I will if your internet upload and download speed is pretty good.
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Yeah well I'm from Australia and the only way to get the Razer Forge atm is to ship it from the US while i can get the NP from a local store. Im assuming you're using Moonlight because Razer Cortex isn't out yet? Hmmm maybe I'll just try it...
For me it works beautifully. It used to be laggy, but the latest versions of either Moonligth or Nvidia experience have fixed the issue. It works smoothly at 1080p 60fps. I have my computer conected to my router via ethernet, and the Nexus player with 802.11ac
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For me it works beautifully. It used to be laggy, but the latest versions of either Moonligth or Nvidia experience have fixed the issue. It works smoothly at 1080p 60fps. I have my computer conected to my router via ethernet, and the Nexus player with 802.11ac
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I ended up getting the Nexus player and trying it out. Maybe my wifi connection isn't strong enough but in general it was too laggy to play Razer Forge is having a TON of issues aswell so I might have to wait for the Nvidia Shield or something
i tested it out last weekend and was playing in 1080p 60fps over 802.11ac wifi without any lag
was getting occasional frame skips which i assume was related to the streaming setup, but i was testing using a new game i got that played well with a controller so i don't know how this game runs normally and can't be certain.
I do have a nexus player with the moonlight plus i have the Nvidia shield tablet and trust me my Nexus player stream better than my Shield, my Shield does fine with stream from the Grid stream almost with no LAG at all but when I stream from my PC the LAG is too much I don't know why, but if I used the Nexus Player with the Moonlight stream almost the same as the Shield playing the Grid stream ...
I have totally high hopes for this. Best Buy has the Nexus Player on sale for $69 and the controller for $40. I had $15 in rewards points and a 10% coupon that I used on the Nexus Player, so I ordered both. Got them for $93 shipped to my door. Half the price of the Shield TV and $60 less than the Razer, so I figure at worst I'll have to return it for one of the others if it doesn't work well. It'll work well, though. I have a Time Capsule 802.11ac, my PC is connected via Ethernet, and my 5GHz 802.11ac network is supported in a 2x2 MIMO config on the Nexus Player. It'll be about 10 feet from the router. Supposed to be here Thursday so I'll come back and let you know how it does.
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I have totally high hopes for this. Best Buy has the Nexus Player on sale for $69 and the controller for $40. I had $15 in rewards points and a 10% coupon that I used on the Nexus Player, so I ordered both. Got them for $93 shipped to my door. Half the price of the Shield TV and $60 less than the Razer, so I figure at worst I'll have to return it for one of the others if it doesn't work well. It'll work well, though. I have a Time Capsule 802.11ac, my PC is connected via Ethernet, and my 5GHz 802.11ac network is supported in a 2x2 MIMO config on the Nexus Player. It'll be about 10 feet from the router. Supposed to be here Thursday so I'll come back and let you know how it does.
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How does it run?
The Nexus Player is about 20 feet from the router, and the signal is going through three walls. With my setup it runs really well at 720p60. I don't really feel like it's dropping any frames. I also turned up the bitrate to 15mbps, and it made a big difference in the image quality and it was still very smooth. On 1080p60, it dropped enough frames that I could feel it but it was still quite playable. I was not really able to turn the bitrate up.
I also tried Kinoconsole, and it was not nearly as good. Zero configuration options, 1080p all the way, stuck at 30fps. Also requires extra software on the PC, which I didn't really want anyway. Wasn't going to pay for the app with the promise of better video quality unless I could see it, so I quit at that.
The Nexus Player's controller does not have a start button, so if your game needs to use the start button you're out of luck. I ended up plugging a wireless 360 controller into the PC directly and controlled the game that way. I didn't have an OTG cable laying around to try it on the Player itself.
The Nexus Player ended up going back to Best Buy, though. Using the Asus controller in emulators and whatnot, Bluetooth would freeze after about 15 minutes. Happened repeatedly probably 8 or 10 times over a 2 day span. I factory reset the device and it continued. Also, the Asus controller's d-pad is terrible, but that is neither here nor there. Since I wasn't sure if it was the device's fault or the controller's I just returned the whole setup. I do know that not even the Player's bundled remote would work once Bluetooth quit, and the controller lights would flash like it was trying to connect again. I have a feeling it was the player.
I ordered a Shield. It should be here tomorrow. The controller should be much better, and I'm hoping nVidia has a workaround for the Start button. If not I'll stick with my 360 controller for PC games. Now I'm getting off topic.
Bottom line: if you're not having other issues with the Nexus Player, you might as well grab Moonlight.
I had a shield tablet shipped in from the US and also have NBN (100Mbps DL / 40Mbps UL). I play with gamestream as I can push the detail to "Max 25Mbps" and have it set to [email protected] via my 5Ghz Wifi on ASUS RT-AC68U Router. No problems (Apart from the creeping in input lag)
Moonlight hates either my router, internet or PC as even if I choose [email protected] and detail to 4Mbps within 1-2 seconds of starting a stream, the screen gets pixelated and Moonight spits out a "Your network is not good enough to stream this, lower your resolution and detail and try again.
Does my tablet need to be hooked up to ethernet for Moonlight to work? Or do I need to move to america where the download and upload speeds are more like 1,000Mbps
Hi - I own a Nintendo Switch since 2 years and haven't powered it on since 2 years - I used it onl a couple of hours and always forget to sell it.
Now I was excited that Android got ported to Nintendo Switch - I wanted to turn it into a Nvidia Shield TV since it has the same tegra chip. I watched some Youtube Reviews and the big bummer is that ityou get some lag because it runs from the slower sdcard and not the fast emmc chip.
No big deal.
But nobody talked about it being docked and useable on the TV screen. Is it even possible?
I would love to run Kodi on the LineageOS and watch some IPTV - My FireTV 4KS Stick is too slow for Kodi.
Would Switch be able to display different refrehs rates 24hz, 50hz, 59.98hz?
Thanks for your Answers
the switch will dock to TV in android its perfect for kodi, and terrarium tv clones I even got netflix running on it, it runs as a pretty decent android box you can mount to TV and use joy cons wireless to control kodi, I didnt have a 4K firestick but I had one before and never again, Im guessing youd get much better performance from a switch since its pretty much the same hardware as a nvidia shield but dont expect it to run as good as a shield the android is pretty buggy for the things I do like gaming but lightweight apps like TV apks all are usable.
i have tried to run kodi with my switch in docked mode but i'm disappointed with the performance. all android + kodi animations lag and are not smooth and it doesnt support framerate switching when docked to the tv.
also sometimes the resolution is very pixelated
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i have tried to run kodi with my switch in docked mode but i'm disappointed with the performance. all android + kodi animations lag and are not smooth and it doesnt support framerate switching when docked to the tv.
also sometimes the resolution is very pixelated
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You can try to OC by increasing the performance profile, it should help, I would not use the highest setting though because it uses higher clocks than normal docked and may be bad for the SoC and battery.
The MicroSD card used also matters a lot more than you would think, Android was unusably slow for me until I bought a new SanDisk Ultra A1 rated (100MB/s read) and now it's fast. It's about 10 times more responsive with the balanced performance profile than it was before.
Some people also said it runs faster with the pico gapps package than the larger ones. I used micro, it only has a few more apps than pico so performance between the two should be similar.
The X1 is much slower than modern smartphone/tablet hardware, and newer apps are designed with newer hardware in mind, so if you want the UI to be as smooth as a modern flagship smartphone, that is not going to happen. But it runs pretty well if you have a good MicroSD card I think.
Glitchy TV output is a known issue, the workaround is to undock and dock again until it works correctly. It will hopefully be fixed in a future release but the devs are working on Pie now so there won't be a new release until that is ready, and they may even wait until Android 10.