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Hi,
I have run into some results from users showing that overclocking is indeed counter productive on the s4 as it would bench lower due to throttling as a result of overheating. Has anyone else actually benefited from overclocking it? If so let's see some screeniez actually proving that it is worth to overclock and at what point the throttling begins to take effect from CPU overheating.
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i had very good resoults but with overclocking gpu not cpu. Everyithing was smoother with overclocking GPU, so i recommended that you overclock GPU and you will get best resoults for daily use. Otherwise overclocking CPU is still good but dont promise any real life perfomance, i have overclocked mine for like 200Mhz along with gpu and get best possible resoult for daily usage. But i can tell you that battery is not happy about this U need powerbank in you pocket to get through day.
Compared to my stock Note 10+, my stock S4+ is so slow it's not even worth comparing.
You only have so much to work with... better architecture, faster chipsets and memory make substantial improvements in the newer platforms even with no overclocking.
At least until Android 10, then things start going to hell... scoped storage sucks.
So far Pie is the Android OS's zenith in my opinion.
I bought the Idol 3 4.7" because I wanted the smaller form factor, but I returned it because the Snapdragon 410 is just not strong enough for me. Multi-tasking between even basic apps like email and calendar would stutter and drop framerate and that's kind of a dealbreaker for me.
I'm thinking about trying the 5.5" but I'm afraid the octo-core isn't isn't gonna be much faster since its clock speed is only 300mhz higher than the Snapdragon 410.
So Idol 3 5.5" owners, are you satisfied with the 8 core processor? Is there any noticeable framerate drop or stuttering switching between apps, and if so, which apps stutter the worst?
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I bought the Idol 3 4.7" because I wanted the smaller form factor, but I returned it because the Snapdragon 410 is just not strong enough for me. Multi-tasking between even basic apps like email and calendar would stutter and drop framerate and that's kind of a dealbreaker for me.
I'm thinking about trying the 5.5" but I'm afraid the octo-core isn't isn't gonna be much faster since its clock speed is only 300mhz higher than the Snapdragon 410.
So Idol 3 5.5" owners, are you satisfied with the 8 core processor? Is there any noticeable framerate drop or stuttering switching between apps, and if so, which apps stutter the worst?
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My experience (own 4 idol 3s - each given to different family members and I once in a while "test" them out) if you are going to have low/moderate apps and background noise then is fine and smooth. If your going to load that thing up (like me) you will see micro lags.
theHuntronTracker said:
I bought the Idol 3 4.7" because I wanted the smaller form factor, but I returned it because the Snapdragon 410 is just not strong enough for me. Multi-tasking between even basic apps like email and calendar would stutter and drop framerate and that's kind of a dealbreaker for me.
I'm thinking about trying the 5.5" but I'm afraid the octo-core isn't isn't gonna be much faster since its clock speed is only 300mhz higher than the Snapdragon 410.
So Idol 3 5.5" owners, are you satisfied with the 8 core processor? Is there any noticeable framerate drop or stuttering switching between apps, and if so, which apps stutter the worst?
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techware7 said:
My experience (own 4 idol 3s - each given to different family members and I once in a while "test" them out) if you are going to have low/moderate apps and background noise then is fine and smooth. If your going to load that thing up (like me) you will see micro lags.
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Hopefully once we have some custom rom's or more importantly some custom kernels we will be able to adjust the speed up to the rated 1.7ghz and try some schedulers/io schedulers we don't have now so performance will pick up some.
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Hopefully once we have some custom rom's or more importantly some custom kernels we will be able to adjust the speed up to the rated 1.7ghz and try some schedulers/io schedulers we don't have now so performance will pick up some.
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After the last update I haven't anything but positive things about the 5.5's performance. So in total two updates now.
gideonMorrison said:
After the last update I haven't anything but positive things about the 5.5's performance. So in total two updates now.
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Update UD71 10 06 fixed the sluggishness of the phone (before that I was on the brink of selling it)
It went from 5/10 to 8/10 in my personal rating and would suggest the phone.
I had a s6 edge and I'd say the speed difference between the two was negligible and the Samsung is 3x more expensive
The speed of the cores is not the issue, its the weak GPU that makes it lag. Navigation around the UI is tolerable but trying to game on anything but casual titles has frame drops. I kept my i3 over Zen 2 for the simple fact the speakers blow anything out of the water and it does everything else "competently".
I'm pretty much satisfied with the Snapdragon 615, coming from a chinese phone with 1 GB RAM and an MT6582 chip (also from a Nexus 7 2012). I find everything extremely smooth.
I haven't rooted it yet, No TWRP recovery, I just have whatsapp and telegram installed, for everything else I use Chrome. Games are pretty smooth to me, even the DS Emulator.
What I find lackluster is camera performance, too much noise even on good light conditions. Maybe it's the stock camera's fault.
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I'm pretty much satisfied with the Snapdragon 615, coming from a chinese phone with 1 GB RAM and an MT6582 chip (also from a Nexus 7 2012). I find everything extremely smooth.
I haven't rooted it yet, No TWRP recovery, I just have whatsapp and telegram installed, for everything else I use Chrome. Games are pretty smooth to me, even the DS Emulator.
What I find lackluster is camera performance, too much noise even on good light conditions. Maybe it's the stock camera's fault.
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What are your camera settings? Performance should be fine at ISO 100-200
Performance UPDATE 9/28/15
As of today, Alcatel has released a new performance update for the Idol 3. Overall performance has improved. More info here: http://www.androidcentral.com/alcatel-pushes-update-55-inch-idol-3-performance-fixes-and-more
The msm8226 chipset is known with other phones (like the Moto G) to be hard locked at 1.2ghz. If you overclock above that amount, benchmarks don't increase, which means you're still actually running at 1.2ghz.
Has anyone that's overclocked this phone done any benchmarks to see if it's actually working? I'm a developer, and I'm interested in seeing if there's a way to actually overclock these.
Hey guys,
Was playing something a few days ago and i noticed it worked like utter crap and today i ran Geekbench 3 a few times and i got results for single core between 472 and 670 and i saw most people are getting 900+. What can affect the phone in such a horrible way? Any ideeas? This is not acceptable.
EDIT: I just noticed the following when comparing the benchmarks (mine is the lower one)
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/4255827?baseline=4255794
The processor IDs differ:
ARM implementer 65 architecture 8 variant 0 part 3331 revision 3 (crap one)
ARM implementer 65 architecture 8 variant 1 part 3335 revision 2 (good one)
Anything to comment on this? Should i return the device?
UPDATE: The Processor IDs differ based on the which cores are running so variant 1 p3335 r2 are all hexa cores running while the other variant has only the quad cores running at max speed or throttled down to avoid overheating.
Bottom line is the fact that as soon as the processor starts to overheat then the CPU throttling kicks and performance of the handset goes to hell. It heats after 5 minutes if you use CPU intensive apps so beware. The single core performance halves after a maximum of 10 minutes while the multi core performance will drop as well but by a 40% amount, that's why you will see bad results in Antutu Benchmark and Geekbench after your CPU is already hot or you run a lot of tests.
I have the same revision as yours as roughly the same score as the other processor Id.
are you rooted? stock rom? Any application issues? Assuming you have a titanium backup or similar of your applications, have you tried redownloading the factory image from google?I have the 335 processor id and score1301
I have the 2nd variant
I just installed GeekBench 3 and tested the phone. The score I got is: 1221 and 3506
Seriously weird, now it's showing up as variant 1. First 1-2 tests score above 1.2k the subsequent ones score below 800...
Can you guys run the test 3-4 times to see if the results change?
PS: Stock rom, no root, fresh format.
Question: what's the difference between MDB08L MDB08M MDB08I and MDA89E. I assume they're the builds in order of release with MDB08M being the latest?
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Seriously weird, now it's showing up as variant 1. First 1-2 tests score above 1.2k the subsequent ones score below 800...
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The phone throttles pretty hard when it gets hot, check out the anandtech review the big cores throttle after less than 2 minutes constant load and shut down completely after 12 minutes.
I have a case on mine and the first 3 runs were around 1200, more runs after that were in the 800s including one that was 664.
It's kind of lame, makes me wish I'd waited for 16nm because i think these 64-bit stock ARM cores in 28nm might actually be worse than the custom 32-bit ones from previous years (RAM usage is lower too with 32-bit as well for some reason). The only advantage I can think of is that 32-bit support will be dropped at some point but that's a long way off.
@haloimplant thanks for the info... So basically my phone ain't crap, it's the QC SD 808 which is complete garbage -_-
C:\Users\adrag>adb shell cat /proc/cpuinfo
Processor : AArch64 Processor rev 3 (aarch64)
processor : 0
processor : 1
processor : 2
processor : 3
processor : 4
processor : 5
Features : fp asimd evtstrm aes pmull sha1 sha2 crc32
CPU implementer : 0x41
CPU architecture: 8
CPU variant : 0x0
CPU part : 0xd03
CPU revision : 3
Hardware : Qualcomm Technologies, Inc MSM8992
Well it can be seen from the above info that my revision is older....
Yeah this generation of SoCs just isn't very good...first cut of 64-bit cores on an almost 4-year old process node... Oh well I'm still happy with the fingerprint scanner and camera and performance is good enough for my usage (reddit and email mostly). Games I tried slowed down pretty horrifically though, they are probably the only use case that really drives a heavy constant load.
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Yeah this generation of SoCs just isn't very good...first cut of 64-bit cores on an almost 4-year old process node... Oh well I'm still happy with the fingerprint scanner and camera and performance is good enough for my usage (reddit and email mostly). Games I tried slowed down pretty horrifically though, they are probably the only use case that really drives a heavy constant load.
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I would say the camera and constant updates are the only thing that keeps this phone together... Coming from an OnePlus ONE to this and i am mostly appalled by the horrific performance of the 5X and from all t he reviews that I read nothing mentioned a horrible throttling. That anandtech article is good though, thanks for the tip!
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I just installed GeekBench 3 and tested the phone. The score I got is: 1221 and 3506
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My details say variant 1 part 3335 revision 2 and I'm getting almost exactly the same scores as you: 1227 and 3506.
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My details say variant 1 part 3335 revision 2 and I'm getting almost exactly the same scores as you: 1227 and 3506.
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Same variant and nearly same scores 1263 and 3439.
Done some more tests today to make sure i'm not completely drunk:
Played a bit with the phone (settings menu) and ran a GB3 test
Results: single 770 multi 2931
Let the phone cool down for 5 minutes and ran another GB3 test:
Results: single 1230 multi 3447
Processor ID: ARM implementer 65 arhitecture 8 variant 1 part 3335 revision 2
What i don't understand is why if i look into cpuinfo i get the other variant info.
Hi
haloimplant said:
The phone throttles pretty hard when it gets hot, check out the anandtech review the big cores throttle after less than 2 minutes constant load and shut down completely after 12 minutes.
I have a case on mine and the first 3 runs were around 1200, more runs after that were in the 800s including one that was 664.
It's kind of lame, makes me wish I'd waited for 16nm because i think these 64-bit stock ARM cores in 28nm might actually be worse than the custom 32-bit ones from previous years (RAM usage is lower too with 32-bit as well for some reason). The only advantage I can think of is that 32-bit support will be dropped at some point but that's a long way off.
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This is how they are designed to work, they can not really work any other way, and after a short time of being pushed hard the SoC has no option but to throttle down the CPU. Cooling can be active or passive, active cooling requires a heat-sink and fan, passive cooling works by reducing CPU speed until temperatures reduce to normal levels, you can also have a combination of the two like most laptops and even desktop PCs. When you have a smart phone, active cooling isn't possible, so how else can the SoC be cooled down?
The 16nm will be just the same, because marketing will dictate selling the CPU at higher clock rates, so pushing a bench-marking program will give you higher numbers due to the faster CPU speed, but then will quickly throttle back, so you will still get the difference between fast and slow due to passive cooling, just the slow might not be as slow, but then again it could be worse. The problem is that the smaller the SoC the harder it is to remove the heat as it has a smaller surface area, so I wouldn't expect much improvement overall, just the max and mins should be higher then previous generations but the performance drop will still be evident.
If you want to play the latest demanding games for more than a few minutes, a smart phone isn't the device to do it on, it just isn't designed for it.
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Phil
@PhilipL I'm sorry but i just cannot agree with you on this. On my old OnePlus One i could play Dominations without any problems and the throttling was almost non existent (QC Snapdragon 801) but on the 5X it's sluggish as soon as i enter it so yeah... I don't think this kind of garbage is acceptable on a newer generation of processors, i've had a friend do the same test on his HTC One M7 and the results after 5-6 runs were of about 650 on single core and about 2100 on multicore which was just a tiny bit slower than my Nexus 5X after 3-4 runs.
How is ANY of this even close to being normal on newer phones? How and WHY is the Snapdragon 801 faster and better than my Snapdragon 808. Can someone explain who had this garbage idea of throttling the processor that hard to bring the speeds down to something worse the last year's processor? If this is how they solve processor overheating on the Snapdragon 820 as well then they might as well throw it in the garbage can.
Furthermore why doesn't the Exynos 7420 on the S6 behave in the same why? Why does it throttle only so slightly that it almost unnoticeable ?
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What are you guys using your phone for? Running benchmarks the whole day? I can't see any performance issue in real life.
No, but i had the 5X for a few days, sent it back because of a dead pixel and now i'm thinking about getting a new one or if i should wait. The touchscreen of my N4 stopped working properly a week ago, which makes it even harder to wait.
But to get on the topic: I had the 5X and the Moto X Pure/Style to see which one i like more, ultimately it was the 5X because of the better camera in normal/low light and the size.
I played around with Geekbench and Riptide 2 (after reading the Anandtech review) and can confirm the throttling on the 5X. The thing is, this wasn't the case on the Moto X, i could play a round of Riptide and run Geekbench a few times or run 4-5 Geekbench passes and the score didn't go to hell like on the 5X.
This also translates into real life usage, if you take more than a few HDR+ images, for example, which makes it a bit of a problem. ;(
I don't know if the throttling on the 5X is just really conservative (altough the phone got quite warm) or if the cooling on the Moto X just works better because of the aluminum body.
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No, but i had the 5X for a few days, sent it back because of a dead pixel and now i'm thinking about getting a new one or if i should wait. The touchscreen of my N4 stopped working properly a week ago, which makes it even harder to wait.
But to get on the topic: I had the 5X and the Moto X Pure/Style to see which one i like more, ultimately it was the 5X because of the better camera in normal/low light and the size.
I played around with Geekbench and Riptide 2 (after reading the Anandtech review) and can confirm the throttling on the 5X. The thing is, this wasn't the case on the Moto X, i could play a round of Riptide and run Geekbench a few times or run 4-5 Geekbench passes and the score didn't go to hell like on the 5X.
This also translates into real life usage, if you take more than a few HDR+ images, for example, which makes it a bit of a problem. ;(
I don't know if the throttling on the 5X is just really conservative (altough the phone got quite warm) or if the cooling on the Moto X just works better because of the aluminum body.
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I have both phones right now, and i disagree. I can see no difference in every day preformance.
Sendt fra min Nexus 5X med Tapatalk
Well, it's already snowing in denmark!
But about general usage and every day performance, i think you're absolutely right. Some "problems" due to the thermal throttling should only apply to "corner cases".
Rogoshin said:
I have both phones right now, and i disagree. I can see no difference in every day preformance.
Sendt fra min Nexus 5X med Tapatalk
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cidefix said:
What are you guys using your phone for? Running benchmarks the whole day? I can't see any performance issue in real life.
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Pretty much nothing and still it's laggy. Starting apps is slow, installation of new apps is slow and slows the device down to a crawl as well. I see many blaming encryption as LG G4 has the same NAND and it's 30% faster.
I will go today to buy a used phone today. I'm not sure which one but note 4 is in my list.
1. If you are user, do you recommend it?
2. Exynos vairant is better or Snapdragon?
3. Your views on battery life and cam performance?
thanks
The exynos variants have a better cpu and do not get as hot as the sanpdragon variant . The gpu in snapdragon variants handles high-end 3d games a bit better but overheats and the mali gpu in exynos is better in some games .I would chose the exynos variant cause its an octa-core.
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I will go today to buy a used phone today. I'm not sure which one but note 4 is in my list.
1. If you are user, do you recommend it?
2. Exynos vairant is better or Snapdragon?
3. Your views on battery life and cam performance?
thanks
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It depends on you.
If you want better gaming experience , then snapdragon version is better.
But for better battery timing and performance , I think Exynos is better.
+ exynos 5433 is also 64 bit supported. .but still running 32bit.
UnNaMeD__ said:
I will go today to buy a used phone today. I'm not sure which one but note 4 is in my list.
1. If you are user, do you recommend it?
2. Exynos vairant is better or Snapdragon?
3. Your views on battery life and cam performance?
thanks
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Go with exynos touchwiz is much smoother than snapdragon
I like Snapdragon more... In benchmarks results are nearly equal.
maybe you check some custom-roms... (if ever you like to flash) - which community is bigger?
that would be my way to decide
I would recommend the snapdragon if you want to flash custom Roms.
As there no kernel sources for exynos the support will be better.
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I will go today to buy a used phone today. I'm not sure which one but note 4 is in my list.
1. If you are user, do you recommend it?
2. Exynos vairant is better or Snapdragon?
3. Your views on battery life and cam performance?
thanks
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I think you would want something that would last long.
For the Exynos, theirs something called Sudden Death Syndrome
Go for snapdragon, don't be worried about benchmarks too much, the note 4 is a great experience any how.
XproZayd said:
I think you would want something that would last long.
For the Exynos, theirs something called Sudden Death Syndrome
Go for snapdragon, don't be worried about benchmarks too much, the note 4 is a great experience any how.
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what sudden death syndrome? can you please explain in detail
XproZayd said:
I think you would want something that would last long.
For the Exynos, theirs something called Sudden Death Syndrome
Go for snapdragon, don't be worried about benchmarks too much, the note 4 is a great experience any how.
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Sudden Death Syndrome?????? WTF??????????
I got Exynos variant already. what the hell is sudden death syndrome.
I have 910H, can I flash 910C ROMs (in future)?
And GTA san andreas wont run. Crashes when I click offline button. Asphalt 8 crashes too when I run it. pfff. Any ideas? I have updated my phone fully.
dork997 said:
what sudden death syndrome? can you please explain in detail
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The Sudden Death Syndrome (SDS) issue is caused by a buggy firmware (low level machine code) on the emmc of devices , the phone dies when trying to write data to an affected block. Samsung has issued a temporary fix to avoid sudden death but this is not a permanent solution. It causes a device freeze or lock-up when attempting to write to an affected block. For devices which have undergone a lot of writes before the fix, the users experience persistent freezing which may last from 2min to even an hour and sooner or later the phones dies..
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The Sudden Death Syndrome (SDS) issue is caused by a buggy firmware (low level machine code) on the emmc of devices , the phone dies when trying to write data to an affected block. Samsung has issued a temporary fix to avoid sudden death but this is not a permanent solution. It causes a device freeze or lock-up when attempting to write to an affected block. For devices which have undergone a lot of writes before the fix, the users experience persistent freezing which may last from 2min to even an hour and sooner or later the phones dies..
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Nothing done to my phone, completely stock. So I'm safe right?
Exynos = future proofed?