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Debating between ZTE Z7 Max to Xiaomi Redmi Note 2 - Please help.

Hey.
I currently owning ZTE V5 Redbull, with CM12.1 ROM.
I am very pleased with the device, its design, its construction quality, and in general.
Despite that, I have one major problem, and it is a problem that I just can not ignore it:
Its hardware specifications is simply low (1Gb of RAM, and 4 Gb of internal storage).
This causes the device to be slow in launching applications, and navigating within them. Due to the fact that it hasn't enough storage space, I'm using Apps2SD (just like Link2SD Pro, only free, and even more features!) in order to 'link' most of the apps to SD, which slows the device even further .
Therefore, I am looking for a device with similar features, but enhanced specification.
It is important for me to have at least 2Gb RAM, and 16Gb internal storage. More features, such as NFC, IR, etc. can add to the attractiveness of purchasing.
In the meantime I found 2 reasonable options (limited myself to 300-350 $ ) for me: ZTE Nubia Z7 Max, and Xiaomi Redmi Note2.
I noticed that the Xiaomi is much cheaper (for example, $ 180 in Geekbuying, compared with to Z7 Max with a price tag of 300$ in AliExpress) and I have no idea why. I wonder also why there's no Xiaomi Redmi devices for sale on AliExpress...
I would love to know why the difference in price, despite the fact that the hardware seem to be nearly the same.
If there is another device that I need to consider in these rates - would love to hear about it.
Thanks in advance!

It is difficult to give advice on this issue. All people have different user habits. I buy a Xiaomi. I think the faster development and service users. I'm biased. Xiaomi is better, in my opinoin.

what is this??

As we've posted before, most heating is normal, as phones give off heat when using power or when charging.
crystallet wrote:
Honestly, I don't think there's a problem. Newer phones, with more powerful processors and functions, running more demanding apps, run warmer than older models. We need to know the temperature of the phone that the user thinks is too hot to see if the phone is running within operating specifications.
People who change phones every year will probably not be surprised by today's warmer-running phones. People who have used the same phone for two years or more, probably will be.
And yes, warming is normal. But we want to help you get used to the way these newer phones run.
dheeruarum wrote:
Arey yar just stop posting here. If you post then make some sense of it. Motorola knows our problems. They are searching for a solution. Finally I say don't post silly comments over here.
Hey guys,
First of all pardon me for the length of this post. I have been following this thread for almost 2 weeks now. And all the statements, made by the senior members/moderators of this forum have been to the same effect, most heating is normal. Infact, one of the senior members even went on to say that he/she would help us get used to the way these newer phones ran! So i decided to find out for myself if this is how the newer phones ran. And as some of our Indian friends blamed us of over-reacting, i also needed to find out, are we posting silly comments? Does motorola really know our problems and are we hindering their 'solution finding'? Lets find out...
Below is the list of some the branded phones in budget segment(except oneplus 3,which i will explain later y i included) that have released in the last one year or so. All these phones were tested by the same person(geekyranjit) under the same conditions. The test was to measure the temperature of these phones after gaming on them for 10-12 minutes. All the tests were done using the same games. Lets find out how normal is our phone compared to other newer phones..
Oneplus 3
Snapdragon 820(Dual-core 2.15 GHz Kryo & dual-core 1.6 GHz Kryo)
Current price: ₹27999
Front: 42.0
Back : 41.6(went to 43 in asphalt 8)
Leeco/Letv le2
Snapdragon 652 (Quad-core 1.4 GHz Cortex-A53 & Quad-core 1.8 GHz Cortex-A72)
Current price: ₹11999
Front: 40.1
Back : 40.5
Xiaomi redmi note 3
Snapdragon 650(Quad-core 1.4 GHz Cortex-A53 & Dual-core 1.8 GHz Cortex-A72)
Current price: ₹11999(32 gb)
Front : 43.6
Back(Aluminium): 38.3
Moto G turbo
Snapdragon 615(Quad-core 1.5 GHz Cortex-A53 & quad-core 1.0 GHz Cortex-A53)
Current price: ₹12499
Front : 41.7
Back : 42.0
Lenovo K4 Note
Mediatek MT6753(Octa-core 1.3 GHz Cortex-A53)
Current price: ₹11999
Front : 43.3
Back : 43.5
Lenovo Zuk z1
Snapdragon 801(Quad-core 2.5 GHz Krait 400)
Current price: ₹13499
Front 43.5
Back 44.3
Lenovo Moto g4 plus
Snapdragon 617(Quad-core 1.5 GHz Cortex-A53 & quad-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A53)
Current price: ₹14999
Front 45.5(paticularly hot at top)
Back 44.2
Ash from c4etech got 48.6 degree at front top after 30 minutes of gaming. Abhinav from phonebunch got 47.1 degree in the front and 50.3 degree at the back while gaming for 15 minutes without an AC on but in indoor conditions.
Please Note:
All the tests are done indoors under an AC with an ambient temperature of 27-28 degrees, unless specified otherwise. So heatwave has nothing to do with these temperatures.(Not getting personal, just clarifying)
One plus 3 does not fall under the 'budget' smartphone category but i included it in the list because it uses the latest and the most powerful chipset in the midrange smartphone segment. So if such heat was normal in today's faster processors, this phone should exhibit the most heat.
Conclusion:
All Lenovo phones heat quite a bit more than the other smartphones in this category and that is why probably moderators think that such heat is normal. But no branded phone heats as much as moto g4 plus, not even lenovo's other devices in this segment. So how many of u guys think that this is all normal? Except for oneplus 3 every phone in this list is cheaper than moto g4 plus and most of them have almost the same specs. Do u still think that we are over-reacting and everything is normal with this phone?
and yes they give quick charge 1.0??**** moto

yeah this phone has heating issue, I think the main reason is processor, any intensive processor using apps will heat it up quickly, in 10 minutes and I don't think this could be solved with software update, this is bad because it will lower the life of phone, so in my opinion if you haven't got this phone yet, don't buy it, get redmi note 3 3gb ram instead

i already got it just today but i am normal user...fb whatsapp and coc just

I tested with 'Made In China' and 'Made in India' g4+....quite obviously Indian Device is getting more warmer in less time and even Display is not bright enough when compared to Chinese(Original).
What I'm trying to say is people I saw who are worrying too much about the heating issue are owners of "Made in India". Mine is working fine after the Initial update but getting little warmer after playing too much(I play Nova, asphalt) but I can live with this..
So check your device manufacturer .. and I can say if you bought recently(and got USB charger) then it is Indian and If you purchased at earlier it is Chinese
PS: Mine is chinese..not Indian (check your device box for Name of Manufacturer to know)

ReX-Hell2heAven said:
I tested with 'Made In China' and 'Made in India' g4+....quite obviously Indian Device is getting more warmer in less time and even Display is not bright enough when compared to Chinese(Original).
What I'm trying to say is people I saw who are worrying too much about the heating issue are owners of "Made in India". Mine is working fine after the Initial update but getting little warmer after playing too much(I play Nova, asphalt) but I can live with this..
So check your device manufacturer .. and I can say if you bought recently(and got USB charger) then it is Indian and If you purchased at earlier it is Chinese
PS: Mine is chinese..not Indian (check your device box for Name of Manufacturer to know)
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Bro mine is a chinese one ....... But have found the reason for overheating during turbo charging......... Check out my thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/themes/cracked-reason-moto-g4-heats-turbo-t3403612
And ya over heating upto 45°C is just fine its some thing thats common between my
octacore,3gbram moto g4+
Quadcore,1gb ram sony xperia e3d2212
And quadcore,also 1gb ram hp 7 voicetab.......
Its pretty much common in evryphone now a days
But would like to mention something that i had experienced with my xperia e3
Its that after i rooted it and got rid of a few actually a lot of system apps i dint notice overheating in it evn while playing games like MC4 for almost 3hours continuously with my charger plugged it......
In case of moto g4+ therz no bloatware too(very very less bloatware)so it just might be the chance of over usage...etc....apart from the time of gaming and turbo charging i dont really think the phone heats up to a level that u would have to worry(like 3g all day long with whatsapp snapchat and instagram running all day long)......

wanted to know
ReX-Hell2heAven said:
I tested with 'Made In China' and 'Made in India' g4+....quite obviously Indian Device is getting more warmer in less time and even Display is not bright enough when compared to Chinese(Original).
What I'm trying to say is people I saw who are worrying too much about the heating issue are owners of "Made in India". Mine is working fine after the Initial update but getting little warmer after playing too much(I play Nova, asphalt) but I can live with this..
So check your device manufacturer .. and I can say if you bought recently(and got USB charger) then it is Indian and If you purchased at earlier it is Chinese
PS: Mine is chinese..not Indian (check your device box for Name of Manufacturer to know)
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i want to buy this device from amazon but i worried wether i get a indian made or china made version. i wnt to know is indian version is worth buying cos of dull white display and less powerful charger ???

Kirin 960 offciallly presented by Huawei

New chip boasts Mali-G71 MP8 GPU and ARM Cortex-A73 cores, upgraded networking tech.
Today at a press conference in Shanghia, China, Huawei officially unveiled the chip that's expected to feature in its next flagship phone when it's announced in early November. The Kirin 960 processor uses four of ARM's new, high-performance Cortex-A73 cores and four low-powered A53 cores, produced using a 16nm manufacturing process. It's also the first processor to use ARM's Mali-G71 MP8 GPU for improved graphics and gaming performance.
At today's press conference, Huawei demonstrated a Kirin 960 test device alongside an iPhone 7 Plus and Samsung Galaxy Note 7, demonstrating that out of the 14 most common apps in China, 13 launch fastest using Kirin 960, as opposed to the two competing devices.
Huawei's own numbers show that Apple's A10 processor still rules in single-core performance, however Kirin 960 pulls ahead of the latest iPhones — and all the Android competitors — in the company's multicore tests.
Kirin 960's new Mali-G71 GPU is 180% faster than the previous generation Mali-T880, coming close to matching the iPhone's graphical prowess; Huawei contends that other areas of Kirin's performance allow it to feel faster — for instance, faster random read/writes thanks to UFS 2.1 storage support. (For what it's worth, Mali-G71 is the GPU rumored to appear in Samsung's upcoming Galaxy S8 in early 2017.
Huawei's already using the GPU rumored to come with the Galaxy S8.
Connectivity-wise, Kirin 960 significantly adds native CDMA support, which potentially allows it to potentially break into markets where the standard is still in use, like the United States. (Previously, CDMA tech would've been licensed from Qualcomm.) The new chip also supports four component carriers (4CC) for LTE, as opposed to rivals' 3CC, effectively adding extra channels for data throughput, and making it easier to hit peak data speeds of 600Mbps. There's support for Cat. 12 LTE for downloads, and Cat. 13 for uploads, and support for radio frequencies between 330MHz and 3.8GHz, opening up the chip a wide range of carriers globally. Huawei also says it's improved radio performance in specific, challenging situations, like using data on a high-speed train.
Huawei also talked up the new chip's camera capabilities, demonstrating how its new ISP (image signal processor), which it says takes smartphone cameras "closer to the vision of the human eye." These can create clearer images, showing improvements in fine detail reproduction through an "eye test" between its new image processing tech and the iPhone 7 Plus. The processor also allows for a wider range of refocusing options than previous generations. (Naturally, overall image quality will depend on the optics paired with Kirin 960 in upcoming phones.)
'How can we reduce the power consumption of finding Pokémon?'
Battery life continues to be a major focus, and Huawei used the example of Pokémon Go to show how it can work to reduce power consumption from demanding apps. Working with partners, Huawei says the optimizations in its low-power i6 "smart sensing" core allows users to go from less than half a day of Pokémon catching to 1.2 days — thanks to enhancements like low-power GPS.
When it comes to security, Huawei announced that Kirin 960 has been certified by UnionPay and the People's Bank of China for use with mobile payments. Meanwhile Huawei's Kirin inSE security design builds security into the SoC design itself, adding over 1000 "anti-hacking sensors," along with a 3-tier security system and support for financial industry standard encryption techniques.
Huawei didn't officially announce any new phones with the processor, however the features showcased at today's Kirin presser show what we're likely to see from the next Huawei flagship — the rumored Mate 9 when it's announced on November 3 in Munich, Germany.

Unless QHD screen on Mate 9, this performance won't be something great to what we have on Mate 8. Or maybe more memory like 256Gb internal, to attract people like me to buy over Mate 8.
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bluheart said:
Unless QHD screen on Mate 9, this performance won't be something great to what we have on Mate 8. Or maybe more memory like 256Gb internal, to attract people like me to buy over Mate 8.
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For me this is enought to attract me to the Mate 9:
Kirin 960's new Mali-G71 GPU is 180% faster than the previous generation Mali-T880, coming close to matching the iPhone's graphical prowess; Huawei contends that other areas of Kirin's performance allow it to feel faster — for instance, faster random read/writes thanks to UFS 2.1 storage support. (For what it's worth, Mali-G71 is the GPU rumored to appear in Samsung's upcoming Galaxy S8 in early 2017.
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In 2018 they will release kirin990 processor with 250% better things

A very good processor and impressive GPU Mali-G71. For usual (flat) Mate 9, this will be more than enough for excellent performance and experience.

Horsepower just doesn't cut it for me anymore.
I'm not a gamer, but, I use the hell out of my device.
Anywhere from 1500-2000 minutes on the phone per month, hundreds of text/mms per month
50-100 photos per month, 5-6GB of LTE data per month, more on wireless.
The Mate2 served me well, for over 2 years without any issues. Best $300 bucks I ever spent.
When the 8 came out last year, everything BUT the price interested me.
When the 9 was announced, I started watching the price on the 8. When it dropped to around 400
dollars, I got one.
Anything on the 9 I can do without. Who knows, maybe in over a year or two, the "last years" flagship
will drop and I'll get one of those.
I just can't justify spending upwards of 600 dollars or more for a silly phone.

True 007

Mate 9 is using ddr3 ram although it's advertised as using ddr4 ram

As stated in the website linked below, it's mentioned that lpddr4 ram is used.
http://consumer.huawei.com/en/mobile-phones/mate9/html/performance.htm
To check what ram is used, just type in terminal cat proc/ddr_rod
What's the type of ram used in your device?

DDR3

DDR3
MHA-L29C636 here.
false advertising?...

Ddr3
mha-l29c185

This command is not 100% accurate. "lpddr3" is the default return value if no information was found.
Source: http://overseas.weico.cc/share/1011152.html?weibo_id=4097815745656061 (This post is in Chinese but it has a screenshot of the C code that explains)

It's lpddr4.

ginda10 said:
It's lpddr4.
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does AIDA actually scan the system or returns values it looks up in a database?
but it makes sense that it returns ddr3 if nothing is found.

yfnew said:
This command is not 100% accurate. "lpddr3" is the default return value if no information was found.
Source: http://overseas.weico.cc/share/1011152.html?weibo_id=4097815745656061 (This post is in Chinese but it has a screenshot of the C code that explains)
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It makes sense. Just curious about it as there's evidence that emmc5. 1 is used on p10. And they bothered to make it return lpddr4 for honor 8.

https://goo.gl/BM0fzZ
The Chinese giant admitted it’s using storage and memory chips of multiple specifications on the recently launched Huawei P10 and Huawei P10 Plus.
Huawei just admitted what Chinese users of the P10 and P10 Plus have been claiming for weeks.
In a statement released in response to an inquiry from Android Authority, the Chinese giant admitted it’s using storage and memory chips of multiple specifications on the recently launched Huawei P10 and Huawei P10 Plus.
While Huawei did not go into specifics, empiric checks show that the two phones can feature any combination of LPDDR3 or LPDDR4 RAM chips, and UFS 2.0, UFS 2.1, or eMMC 5.1 storage.
“Huawei has employed the standard industry practice of sourcing solutions from multiple trusted suppliers to ensure a balance between user experience, quality and sustainable supply,” the company said.
While it’s true that many electronic devices feature a small level of variance when it comes to their components, the differences shouldn’t have a noticeable effect on user experience. One well-known example of component variation is Samsung’s choice of SoCs on its flagship phones, which usually ship with Exynos or Qualcomm chips based on the market. In another recent example, the iPhone 7 Plus comes with modem chips from either Intel or Qualcomm; the latter offer a “significant performance edge” compared to the Intel variant, according to phone testing firm Cellular Insights.
LPDDR3 or LPDDR4 RAM? UFS 2.0, UFS 2.1, or eMMC 5.1? Who knows?
Huawei insists that it does not make any false claims when it comes to the P10. The company says its marketing makes no mention of the specific RAM and flash storage generation. “Among all Huawei P10 marketing collateral, there has been no commitment to the use of only one specific flash memory,” it said.
That might be true, but the performance difference between LPDDR3 and LPDDR4 chips, and UFS 2.0, UFS 2.1, and eMMC 5.1 storage chips respectively, can be significant. Understandably, P10 customers would like to know if they’re getting an older technology.
When it’s convenient, Huawei does advertise the use of LPDDR4 and UFS 2.1 chips. On the Mate 9 product page, for instance, both new standards are presented prominently and contrasted with the older and slower LPDDR3 and eMMC 5.1.
It looks like only some P10 and P10 Plus are “born fast.” No mention of the RAM and storage technology can be found on their specs pages.
Huawei says it’s using chips “randomly,” based on the component shipments it receives from suppliers. “There are no period batches or manual selection for chip batches,” the company said. What this means is that getting a “good” unit is a matter of luck. You could run benchmarks on the phone prior to purchasing it, but that’s simply not feasible in many cases.
Huawei denied any “discrimination or intention to defraud consumers.” “The performance of a single component can’t exactly reflect the overall system performance of a smartphone and these scores are not applicable in actual use scenarios.”

When Will The 2019 5G Mi Mix 3 Be Unveiled & Released ?

Also what updated specs can we expect if any apart from SD 855 processor from the original Mi Mix 3 ?
Thanks kindly.......

SlyUK said:
Also what updated specs can we expect if any apart from SD 855 processor from the original Mi Mix 3 ?
Thanks kindly.......
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Q1 2019 I hope ...

The only new specs we can be reasonably sure of are that it'll have a separate modem chip, multiple large antenna modules, shorter battery life, and a weak (if any) 5G signal inside buildings.

invisiblewave said:
The only new specs we can be reasonably sure of are that it'll have a separate modem chip, multiple large antenna modules, shorter battery life, and a weak (if any) 5G signal inside buildings.
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If it comes with an 855 it will be better battery life

Mackay53 said:
If it comes with an 855 it will be better battery life
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The processor will consume less, but overall I suspect it'll be significantly shorter because of the extra 5G hardware required, it may also possibly be a smaller battery to accommodate the 5G space requirements.

Besides the guess 5G will consume more power.
I am not completely in the picture what else will be possible with 5G.
Can I use it for something like "near communication" (saw a video by xiaomi connecting with a vacuum robot)?
And even more important!
The 5G standard will maybe finalized in 2019 or 2020 ...
How likely is it I only get rudimentary support for the "final commercial 5G network"?
Also read somewhere the battery will be upgraded since the cnc parts have bigger recess... But can't find my source right now ...
Edit: I also read the mix 3 only features 3200mAh? ... Instead of 4000mAh?

Thought I'd give y'all my wishlist of what specs get bumped with the 5G version:-
UFS 3.0
Battery bumped up to at least 3,500mah
8gb RAM as the base version, no 6gb
USB 3.1 if not already with the Mix 3
(GSMArena reports the current Mix 3 as 1.0 not sure how accurate that is)
Stereo speakers would be nice to add the the immersion of a full screen display
However, as I said the above is just a wishlist unfortunately & I do believe it's very possible we'll get the Snapdragon 855 & that's it.

Going to wait and see if the sd855 is worth the extra price increase, otherwise ill just buy the sd845 version which will probably be on sale at that point

HelpMeruth said:
Going to wait and see if the sd855 is worth the extra price increase, otherwise ill just buy the sd845 version which will probably be on sale at that point
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There was an article from someone saying that the SD855 chips are so much more expensive that the Galaxy S10 is expected to be 1200 retail for the base model. If that's the case, I would expect the 5G Mix 3 model to be almost 900 for an 8/256 model.

I assume this is the "around about" score we'll see from Xiaomi's equipped with the 855
https://www.phonearena.com/news/xia...ker-snapdragon-855-phones-benchmarks_id112533
However we all know benchmarks don't translate into real word usage so.