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[Discussion] TouchWiz vs AOSP/AOSP/CM/Other ROMs

Hey guys. Let's discuss about the ROMs we use.
So I've tried both TouchWiz and AOSP style ROMs before. These are my opinion for them:
TouchWiz:
+ great UI
+ more features than AOSP
+ has TV out
+ less bugs
+ multiwindow
- sometimes slow and laggy
AOSP
+ great advance features
+ mostly customizable
+ super fast and almost lag free
+ try new versions of Android
- no tv out
- no sim card contacts support
So can I get you guys's opinion?
It will be great if you can introduce me ROMs that have TV out and probably many Samsung features too.. Best is 4.2 and onwards
Thanks ! Hope to hear from you guys

For me,stock is better for daily use.AOSP are also good but one thing that i hate about these roms is bad battery life.With stock,i can get 5-6 hrs screen on time.With AOSP,i get 3-4 hrs screen on time.
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AOSP being super fast and lag free on the S2 is a myth really. HW composer does not work on non samsung based roms meaning no project butter. That alone makes stock based roms a much more fluid experience even if it may not be as fast at opening apps for example.

try charmeleon rom base on jb 4.2.1 has a feauture of all aosp pure stock vanilla android hehe
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I find roms like CM/OMNI better than stock in many ways, but I can't stand camera drivers, these are terrible In TouchWiz we have all sorts of enhancements like real time focus, blinking detection and for me it's the only disadvantage of these roms.

is there a port of tw for ASOP 4.4 builds? i dont like the ASOP notification bar .....is hideous and has way less functionality

Aosp based - no project butter
Camera is pathetic
Battery life poor
Superb performace
Happy feeling to run latest android
Highly customisable
Sammy rom
- slow bt fluid
- superb camera
- bloated (can be removed)
-much better handling for high end games
- touchwiz ui (I like it more wid touchwiz)
-good battery life
-feeling of being ancient (when u run 4.1 even when kitkat has been launched for months)

Jockson said:
AOSP being super fast and lag free on the S2 is a myth really. HW composer does not work on non samsung based roms meaning no project butter. That alone makes stock based roms a much more fluid experience even if it may not be as fast at opening apps for example.
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On the hw composer part, is it specific to the S2? Or also the other S devices? like the S3 or S4 for example.

qxps said:
On the hw composer part, is it specific to the S2? Or also the other S devices? like the S3 or S4 for example.
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I thought all the Galaxy devices have a lack of sources when it comes to AOSP roms..

Donnie Sins said:
I thought all the Galaxy devices have a lack of sources when it comes to AOSP roms..
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Except for the galaxy s ... Which was identical to nexus s

I would prefer touchwiz...
More features and stability and also good battery life

I have tried so many AOSP/AOKP roms... but in the end I keep coming back to stock samsung based rom
AOSP roms are really beautiful and faster when it comes to opening apps. Samsung Stock based roms are just the most appropriate choice for daily use... much better battery life, can share contacts with a car's BT device, faster and better quality camera, much better performances when gaming.

its that much better battery life on stock compared to new kitkat or 4.3 aosp aokp?
stock rom+stock kernel is better then all of others when talking abt battery?

If only there's a ROM with AOSP and TouchWiz together with those latest features from AOSP and TouchWiz .. Hhahaa

whazi said:
its that much better battery life on stock compared to new kitkat or 4.3 aosp aokp?
stock rom+stock kernel is better then all of others when talking abt battery?
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bingo my friend... and u can try if u dont belive me ...
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b_ongzhenyu said:
If only there's a ROM with AOSP and TouchWiz together with those latest features from AOSP and TouchWiz .. Hhahaa
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yes there are many bt wid aosp as base.. they suffer the same drawbacks

whazi said:
its that much better battery life on stock compared to new kitkat or 4.3 aosp aokp?
stock rom+stock kernel is better then all of others when talking abt battery?
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Yes it is. All you have to do is to take a debloated stock ROM. Philz kernel is just fine (stock kernel rooted).
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guys checkout the chamaleon rom aosp feauture base on stock rom.
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dredremon said:
guys checkout the chamaleon rom aosp feauture base on stock rom.
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Yep, this is it, a perfect daily driver

GibonXL said:
Yep, this is it, a perfect daily driver
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Last time I checked, ppl reported few bugs. For example the quick settings bug.
Few months ago I tried an older version, but I came back to stock touchwiz. I had quite a few bugs all over the place (clean install).

Plinky89 said:
Last time I checked, ppl reported few bugs. For example the quick settings bug.
Few months ago I tried an older version, but I came back to stock touchwiz. I had quite a few bugs all over the place (clean install).
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Using stock ics wid xposed mods.. Superb for me

[Q] Optimizing performance and battery life without rooting

Hello could you pease share some tips or link to guides that will help G2 opimized as much as possible performance and battery life, without rooting and using custom roms.
I want to be able to get the most out of the device on things that really matter to me like battery, messaging apps, gmail, est
thanks

lakiscy said:
Hello could you pease share some tips or link to guides that will help G2 opimized as much as possible performance and battery life, without rooting and using custom roms.
I want to be able to get the most out of the device on things that really matter to me like battery, messaging apps, gmail, est
thanks
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As far as performance this phone comes stock with really great performance, really even battery for that matter. However there is not much your going to be able to do to increase performance of apps like messaging, Gmail, etc. Those apps will already be pretty much flawless. As far as battery all you can do without root is the regular stuff like disable GPS, AUTO SYNC, use auto brightness. There are several apps that claim to help with battery. I used to use Juice Defender back a couple years ago. If you root your phone there is much more you can do. Mods, tweaks, roms, custom kernels, etc. Good luck!
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lakiscy said:
Hello could you pease share some tips or link to guides that will help G2 opimized as much as possible performance and battery life, without rooting and using custom roms.
I want to be able to get the most out of the device on things that really matter to me like battery, messaging apps, gmail, est
thanks
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As jcnbama stated its pretty sweet outta the box...but to have an all around improvement performance/battery wise you're gonna wanna root your device and install a custom rom...rooting is much simpler and much safer than on many devices...Mahdi aosp rom seems to give the most stability, performance and extreme battery life in my opinion... Good luck!

jamesd1085 said:
As jcnbama stated its pretty sweet outta the box...but to have an all around improvement performance/battery wise you're gonna wanna root your device and install a custom rom...rooting is much simpler and much safer than on many devices...Mahdi aosp rom seems to give the most stability, performance and extreme battery life in my opinion... Good luck!
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You can call me a fanboy or whatever but I've yet to find any custom ROM that outperforms stock in battery life or performance, especially stability. There are some big trade offs too like audio quality and camera (even on mahdi) which are both deal breakers for me. Sad, since I love stock android but stock ticks every box.

Art Vanderlay said:
You can call me a fanboy or whatever but I've yet to find any custom ROM that outperforms stock in battery life or performance, especially stability. There are some big trade offs too like audio quality and camera (even on mahdi) which are both deal breakers for me. Sad, since I love stock android but stock ticks every box.
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Yeah...you would have to be a fanboy to still think stock outperforms aosp in any way...especially Mahdi...benchmarks(which I don't trust to be accurate)show higher...as well as side by side tests of stock and aosp shows how muchs faster tasks are completed...But...at least as far as the g2 is concerned I can see why you love stock...I have been stuck with Samsung's touchwiz ui for my last 3 devices...it was uglyAnd downright overfilled with bloatware...but fully rooted and with a few tweaks I could see myself using stock on the g2...but I still get better stability, performance and battery life on Mahdi than I have experienced on anything hands down

jamesd1085 said:
Yeah...you would have to be a fanboy to still think stock outperforms aosp in any way...especially Mahdi...benchmarks(which I don't trust to be accurate)show higher...as well as side by side tests of stock and aosp shows how muchs faster tasks are completed...But...at least as far as the g2 is concerned I can see why you love stock...I have been stuck with Samsung's touchwiz ui for my last 3 devices...it was uglyAnd downright overfilled with bloatware...but fully rooted and with a few tweaks I could see myself using stock on the g2...but I still get better stability, performance and battery life on Mahdi than I have experienced on anything hands down
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I didn't like it right off the bat. I loved cm 10.2 and I was pretty happy on Mahdi until I played music over Bluetooth. No matter how many audio tweaks and kernel tweaks I made I just couldn't get to sound good. The video camera audio was the same. I can live with the odd random reboot but the sound quality of stock is what sealed it for me.

Art Vanderlay said:
I didn't like it right off the bat. I loved cm 10.2 and I was pretty happy on Mahdi until I played music over Bluetooth. No matter how many audio tweaks and kernel tweaks I made I just couldn't get to sound good. The video camera audio was the same. I can live with the odd random reboot but the sound quality of stock is what sealed it for me.
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How long has it been since you tried it?most if not all of these bugs have been fixed...I couldn't use it due to buggyness either...I tried it after the 6-28 release and it was smooth sailing ever since...every update has continued to improve my experience and its my dd at this point...I actually do keep a backup of stock(all bloat removed and lots of optimizations) due to to some features that only come stock...but I have faster 4g and WiFi connectivity using mahdi...don't know why...I guess one could argue good and bad for both here...but I guess since touchwiz from Sammy just wasn't an option for me aosp is what I'm accustomed to...lol

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How long has it been since you tried it?most if not all of these bugs have been fixed...I couldn't use it due to buggyness either...I tried it after the 6-28 release and it was smooth sailing ever since...every update has continued to improve my experience and its my dd at this point...I actually do keep a backup of stock(all bloat removed and lots of optimizations) due to to some features that only come stock...but I have faster 4g and WiFi connectivity using mahdi...don't know why...I guess one could argue good and bad for both here...but I guess since touchwiz from Sammy just wasn't an option for me aosp is what I'm accustomed to...lol
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Its been a while since I tried it. I've been on the cloudy Roms and cloudyg3 is my daily driver now, surprisingly. Running perfect for me anyway. I'll have to give Mahdi another go before android L comes into effect. Its good to know they're perfecting it. The OP's head must be spinning now with all this information.

[Q] Stock or AOSP Rom?

Hey guys just wanting to know if you all prefer Stock Roms or AOSP Based ones?
And also what kernels go well with what ROMS.
Cheers

Sam.Frehley said:
Hey guys just wanting to know if you all prefer Stock Roms or AOSP Based ones?
And also what kernels go well with what ROMS.
Cheers
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Aosp based is better
Aosp can have any kernel
only cm based ROM need special kernel made only for them.

Thank you, So far ive found that SlimKat is the best for the D802 with the least amount of bugs, will be flashing Render Kernel in about 10 minutes to see the advantages

Stock + Xposed. More stable and the camera is better. The slight gains in battery and performance on AOSP are minimal and not worth losing the camera and stability (the g2 is a beast anyways and I get great battery life and speed on stock)

Uh how are you guys coping with the lack of the LG camera gap. I mean the Google camera sucks, and the mod by Jishnu sucks.
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@NuroKnight calm down xd some people aren't making pictures everyday so aosp based roms are okay for them. Jishnu did his best to port the features, don't forget that you can't port any app like that easily and LG has putten alot of money and effort into their camera software to make it kickass, also in lowlight.

[Q/Debate] Stock vs LOS based, in terms of performance.

I have been using custom rom on this device since i bought it and took it out of the box (4-5 months ago).
To be honest and coming from other "superior" device, in terms of performance this device never disappointed me, for me it's like a "diesel car", you'll not have the power that maybe you are able to get whether you have a device powered by a Snapdragon 800-35 series. But this device ever performs very decently in every task, without major troubles.
Today i used my girlfriend's G4 Plus Dual-SIM XT1641 (totally stock, non-rooted, no anything, besides the lot of trash apps/games and Google bloatware that she has installed) and surprisingly i felt it much more "light/fast", for example when scrolling. So, i decided to make comparissions using the so much hated benchmark test (Geekbench 4 specifically, and AnTuTu 3D).
My results were:
Stock Nougat (7.0 June security patch):
Single-core: 742
Multi-Core: 3081
Stock LineageOS 14.1 (without modifications):
Single-Core: 662
Multi-core: 2314
The stock G4 plus did the test 5 minutes more quickly than the other one (mine XT1641 Single-SIM).
Then, i did the same test with AnTuTu, the result was similar, the stock one scored like a 20% better, and ended the test 3-4 minutes first. But the important thing for me was in the graphics test (GPU), honestly the stock one destroyed my device (running 14.1) in terms of graphic smoothness (FPS). The graphics in my device were really slow and i could see this slowdown in real time (running the test in both devices side to side, in the same time) [5/7FPS less than the stock one].
I use LineageOS 14.1 with his stock kernel, as it comes.
The obvious question:
[Question]: Why this happens?
I ask this because in every device that i owned the results were the opposite, i mean: CyanogenMod/LineageOS was pretty superior than the Stock rom (in terms of performance and even in benchmarking tests).
Don't get me wrong and think that i am complaining about the custom rom performance, in fact, i love (and i'm currently using) custom roms. I am just curious about the reasons of these results.
Your opinions are really welcome.

I never use or trust benchmarks. I always go off by what feels better to me.

reCoded said:
I never use or trust benchmarks. I always go off by what feels better to me.
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Definitely that's te way to go. :good:

I can also say that stock is alot smoother than the custom ROMs. Gaming performance is also better and I've even tried asking why custom ROMs gaming performance suffers compared to stock but no one seems to respond

I've tried LOS and ViperOS on my G4 Plus (XT1640 2gb RAM). The performance was much better with both custom ROM's, It was very snappy, held more apps in memory and was a more pleasant experience. Stock ROM perfoemance is not bad, but I see very clearly that the apps won't stay im memory for long and often I have scrolling lag when using facebook on chrome. For gaming I havent noticed any diference whatsoever.

danilomrx said:
I've tried LOS and ViperOS on my G4 Plus (XT1640 2gb RAM). The performance was much better with both custom ROM's, It was very snappy, held more apps in memory and was a more pleasant experience. Stock ROM perfoemance is not bad, but I see very clearly that the apps won't stay im memory for long and often I have scrolling lag when using facebook on chrome. For gaming I havent noticed any diference whatsoever.
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What games have you tried?.
I've tried bleach brave souls and I get seriously bad lag compared to stock.
Although you are right about stock having bad memory management

yes even i feel the same in custom roms while scrolling or even while pulling the quick settings bar there is a lag but stock rom is pretty smooth and even the battery backup on stock is better than many custom roms but for most of the people thats ok and they dont care about these things and they like the customizations and theme support and many other features that are not available in stock
i personally feel like i can literally see the battery percentage going down in custom roms too fast

krishna8691 said:
yes even i feel the same in custom roms while scrolling or even while pulling the quick settings bar there is a lag but stock rom is pretty smooth and even the battery backup on stock is better than many custom roms but for most of the people thats ok and they dont care about these things and they like the customizations and theme support and many other features that are not available in stock
i personally feel like i can literally see the battery percentage going down in custom roms too fast
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Try the aosp one's like omni, aosp extended, ultra-caf, du, cypher (btw official 4.1 is out), pure nexus, cosmic they are smoother than most of the lineage based one's.

In my opinion, I'm thinking that if you root the phone the performance decreases. The more you do, the more the performance decreases. Stock roms all always better for me.
Will you install an stock rom or stay in linage??

andres88_ said:
In my opinion, I'm thinking that if you root the phone the performance decreases. The more you do, the more the performance decreases. Stock roms all always better for me.
Will you install an stock rom or stay in linage??
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I am on stock right now, rooted with EX. I obtained the same results as the post (with Geekbench 4). I know that the score isn't really important, anyway, i will use this rom a couple of days, to take better conclusions.

I notice that on stock, I get 5-7 hours of SoT, but on any ROM, even stock aosp, I get 3-4 hours. Quite strange.

I am by no means an expert on this but maybe the Moto stock rom is just much better than most stock ROMs. Where a custom rom may show performance improvements over other custom ROMs, they aren't an improvement over other stick ROMs? I don't know . I think the developers of ROMs for our device have done a fantastic job and I enjoy the customizations the ROMs offer. After having hard bricked my last phone twice (unable to bring back to life the last time), I am sticking with a locked bootloader and stock for awhile. Don't want to have to replace my phone again.

Multi-core: 2330 with Cypheros 7.1.2

MisterSteve said:
I am by no means an expert on this but maybe the Moto stock rom is just much better than most stock ROMs. Where a custom rom may show performance improvements over other custom ROMs, they aren't an improvement over other stick ROMs? I don't know . I think the developers of ROMs for our device have done a fantastic job and I enjoy the customizations the ROMs offer. After having hard bricked my last phone twice (unable to bring back to life the last time), I am sticking with a locked bootloader and stock for awhile. Don't want to have to replace my phone again.
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Totally agreed, developers like Silesh.Nair, Jleeblanch, vache, and others did amazing jobs here. We are lucky to have devs of that level, because we have ROMs of quality and variety for this device. Thanks for your great opinion.

lCrD512 said:
Try the aosp one's like omni, aosp extended, ultra-caf, du, cypher (btw official 4.1 is out), pure nexus, cosmic they are smoother than most of the lineage based one's.
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I installed OmniROM yesterday, used it for a while, and yes, it runs much more smoother than the LOS based ROMs i've tried, also i did the Geekbench 4 test, the results were: Multi-Core: 3081, Single-Core: 738, hence, the test is not lying (same results as the stock rom).
Still i do not know why the performance of the LOS baseds rom is not like the AOSP ones. I am not saying this only based in the results of a test.
I am currently on RR because i love his customization and features, but i see the difference when i try AOSP in terms of overall performance.

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I installed OmniROM yesterday, used it for a while, and yes, it runs much more smoother than the LOS based ROMs i've tried, also i did the Geekbench 4 test, the results were: Multi-Core: 3081, Single-Core: 738, hence, the test is not lying (same results as the stock rom).
Still i do not know why the performance of the LOS baseds rom is not like the AOSP ones. I am not saying this only based in the results of a test.
I am currently on RR because i love his customization and features, but i see the difference when i try AOSP in terms of overall performance.
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Which ROM did you recommend for more battery and performance? Based on your device and your experience.

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Which ROM did you recommend for more battery and performance? Based on your device and your experience.
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OmniROM, without a doubt. I tried plenty of roms, it's seems to be the only purely AOSP based. This rom performs like the stock one but whit the plus of a better battery life.
The only bad thing about Omni could be that is has not all the features that the LOS based ones offers, like Invicta or RR.

well, that's right. for me stock rom also feels a lot smoother faster and battery life is incredible. best stock software i've seen from motorola. i like custom roms and all the possibilities they bring, and we already have some very stable like invicta, or LOS. but i love this phone on stock (and debloated hehehe)

ROM suggestion for a S5 User

Hi,
My father is using my old S5 (KLTE) for about 2 years now. He's recently complaining about the performance (response and battery) of the phone. So I was in search for a price/performance phone to replace his S5.
But then I decided that in the old days, I was able to have better performance from my old Android phones by just changing the rom. (to a lite and recent version) together with a factory reset, I believe he will have better performance for at least a few more months while I find a better phone for him
So, I'd like to get your suggestions on a performance rom.
Preferably, I'd go with a touchwiz based rom because I don't want to change his familiarity of the interface. But I know that it (touchwiz) would mean loss of performance.
he's used to use video talk over the GSM so I believe this is only available in touchwiz , right ?
On the other hand, a lite rom with possibly Nougat (7.1.x) would be a good upgrade.
I can't select at the moment which path to go.
Can you recommend me best roms for each path ? (Touchwiz and Non-Touchwiz)
Thanks.

Currently I'm with the stock Marshmallow ROM from Samsung and it's pretty fast. You can check my signature for all the info about it. But I'll soon change to MagMa ROM VX3 (when it gets released) which is a port from the S8/Note 8. While still on Android 6.0.1 it has all the features and is lighter I think. Try out a few ROMs and see which one's the best. It all depends on apps installed, kernel used, disabled stuff, etc. In my opinion better to stay on TouchWiz since he's familiar with it. Plus non-touchwiz ROMs tend to have bugs.

I would like to know also if there is any custom rom than has better performance than the last stock one and has no bugs. I'm afraid that custom roms could have neither and add some extra features that won't compensate.
About the battery you can simply buy another one. That was the last Galaxy S to have a removable one and that is the main reason why I have not upgraded it. But I have the feeling the phone has become slower, even I have reset it.

Try these ROM. It is a TouchWiz Rom so I think your dad would like it. It is fast in terms of performance and battery life is okay. Works best with boeffla. Heres the link:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...om-xxx-limits-1-1-stable-smooth-fast-t3304941

Nardskie1999 said:
Try these ROM. It is a TouchWiz Rom so I think your dad would like it. It is fast in terms of performance and battery life is okay. Works best with boeffla. Heres the link:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...om-xxx-limits-1-1-stable-smooth-fast-t3304941
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But in what way is this better that the last stock one? And it has any disadvantage? (battery life, bugs etc that are usual in custom roms)
For me the bigger problem of the phone are not the features, that come mostly from the apps and they are the same. It is the performance as it always have a delay before starting any app that is not present in newer devices.
Even cheap devices as the Moto 5 has better performance, but the camera and the display is worse as the Galaxy S5 was a high end device making the upgrade a mix bag. Unless I go to more expensive devices. But the ideal would be a rom that optimize more the speed.

karlpj said:
But in what way is this better that the last stock one? And it has any disadvantage? (battery life, bugs etc that are usual in custom roms)
For me the bigger problem of the phone are not the features, that come mostly from the apps and they are the same. It is the performance as it always have a delay before starting any app that is not present in newer devices.
Even cheap devices as the Moto 5 has better performance, but the camera and the display is worse as the Galaxy S5 was a high end device making the upgrade a mix bag. Unless I go to more expensive devices. But the ideal would be a rom that optimize more the speed.
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So far so good. No problems or bugs at all. The performance of the Rom is absolutely amazing when it comes to games or whatever you are doing. I even got a 64000 score in Antutu Benchmark without overclocking. I think it is the most stablest Rom that I had to my galaxy s5.

My recomendation if you want fast its the Ressurection Remix 5.8.5...
Its the fastest rom I've tried no doubt

Sharlimar said:
My recomendation if you want fast its the Ressurection Remix 5.8.5...
Its the fastest rom I've tried no doubt
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But is buggy in any way? And what is the link for the rom? I have done a search and appears lots of different versions.
My s5 has the tendency to stall at the start of google maps and is rather slow with google assistant. Eventually I will buy one new but I would prefer a s9 (that is quite near) or s10

karlpj said:
But is buggy in any way? And what is the link for the rom? I have done a search and appears lots of different versions.
My s5 has the tendency to stall at the start of google maps and is rather slow with google assistant. Eventually I will buy one new but I would prefer a s9 (that is quite near) or s10
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I can tell you its that google maps its faster on rr 5.8.5 and on home screen you slide to the left and you are on google assistant so its great for you
You find the oficial rr rom on the oficial site
Search on google