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My phone is off a lot of the time but it still uses up a lot of my power according to the battery use screen.
For example, right now my battery is at 45%, 9h 15m since unplugged. "Display" shows up at 48% of the power use. Time on is 58m. On my old Evo, Display was rarely on the top of the list. A day like today would have Cell Standby and Phone Idle at the top taking up over 50 - 60%.
Could it be the auto brightness setting that's sucking power? Anyone else getting these results?
I haven't had the time to try and figure out why, but yes, I am getting the same results on mine as well. Right now the battery is at 44% (9h 42m on), with the Display at 55% (1h 33m display on). Display has always been at the top of the list for me. The next three are Android OS 13% (1h), Cell Standby 13% (9h 42m), Phone Idle 8% (8h 14m)
Mine has been unplugged for about 1.5 hrs, and on for 35 minutes.
Voice Calls: 45%
Display: 33%
Cell Standby: 8%
I'm experiencing something similar. Gravis, are you on auto brightness? If not, what brightness level?
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I'm experiencing something similar. Gravis, are you on auto brightness? If not, what brightness level?
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I use a power widget to scale my screen brightness as needed. I'm usually on the lowest setting since I'm mostly indoors but I had it on 100% all day yesterday since I was outside and it wasn't really draining my battery.
gravis86 said:
I use a power widget to scale my screen brightness as needed. I'm usually on the lowest setting since I'm mostly indoors but I had it on 100% all day yesterday since I was outside and it wasn't really draining my battery.
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I too keep mine on the lowest setting as well. It's plenty bright enough for me. Also, I wouldn't trust those readings...it could also be related to the whole false reading of the reception and battery status symbol. Perhaps software related. Nevertheless, the screen still uses 20% less power than traditional lcd's.
Try keeping it off auto brightness and see how it does...should notice an improvement.
iunlock said:
I too keep mine on the lowest setting as well. It's plenty bright enough for me. Also, I wouldn't trust those readings...it could also be related to the whole false reading of the reception and battery status symbol. Perhaps software related. Nevertheless, the screen still uses 20% less power than traditional lcd's.
Try keeping it off auto brightness and see how it does...should notice an improvement.
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You mean 20% less then an average AMOLED? and then AMOLED is 30-40% over LCD
Guys... You WANT your screen to be the highest thing using battery. It doesn't mean that it is bad. It just means that the screen is taking MORE battery than other things. You need to take it for what it is. A comparison versus other items on the phone. Your screen using that much power is how it should be (think about your laptop... turn the screen down or off, battery goes right up). If your screen was at the bottom, it would mean that the actual PHONE was using a ton more power.
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Guys... You WANT your screen to be the highest thing using battery. It doesn't mean that it is bad. It just means that the screen is taking MORE battery than other things. You need to take it for what it is. A comparison versus other items on the phone. Your screen using that much power is how it should be (think about your laptop... turn the screen down or off, battery goes right up). If your screen was at the bottom, it would mean that the actual PHONE was using a ton more power.
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Good point. I'd rather have the screen eating power than say, the GPS. But I guess as long as the phone gets you through the it doesn't really matter, does it?
Does turning off the "Powering saving mode" option under "Sound and display" seem to help or hurt the situation?
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Does turning off the "Powering saving mode" option under "Sound and display" seem to help or hurt the situation?
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Mine is off. I don't like the screen changing intensity/brightness without my permission
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Does turning off the "Powering saving mode" option under "Sound and display" seem to help or hurt the situation?
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I shudder to think that a "power saving" mode would actually increase battery usage...
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You mean 20% less then an average AMOLED? and then AMOLED is 30-40% over LCD
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Indeed.
Most of the GSM models have display at the top, while CDMA have standby and idle.
This is due to CDMA radios drawing a lot more power.
I too am experiencing the same thing... my battery life has been less than stellar, so I have taken it off auto-brightness and am using a black wallpaper to try and reduce the consumption. After being on for 4 hours, (I had to reboot several times this afternoon) my display has used 70%, the next down is cell stanby at 12% I was fully charged at 3:30 today - it is now 10 and I am down to 33% battery remaining, with moderate to minimal usage.
I guess a gorgeous display requires a lot of battery.....
Battery use has to add up to 100%, so something has to take a majority. 66% doesn't mean it took a huge part of your battery. Imagine this, you unplug your phone and then go on pandora for 15 minutes of the first 20 minutes unplugged. Say your battery was at 96ish by then. If you checked your battery usage and it said something like PANDORA: 75%, it means that pandora used 75% of the 4% that has been drained, not like pandora has some type of abnormal battery sucking bug in it (key word abnormal, i'm aware pandora wears on a battery). But get the gist? If it were "cell standby" and "phone idle" that were using the battery, then we'd have something to worry about seeing as the phone wouldn't even be in use during its times of most power consumption.
You people apparently never actually TALK on your phone. My voice calls take most of my power.
Pneumatic said:
You people apparently never actually TALK on your phone. My voice calls take most of my power.
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for me, i've noticed that installing and moving files on the internal and sdcard memery eats up the battery the fastest.
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Guys... You WANT your screen to be the highest thing using battery. It doesn't mean that it is bad. It just means that the screen is taking MORE battery than other things. You need to take it for what it is. A comparison versus other items on the phone. Your screen using that much power is how it should be (think about your laptop... turn the screen down or off, battery goes right up). If your screen was at the bottom, it would mean that the actual PHONE was using a ton more power.
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Guys... You WANT your screen to be the highest thing using battery. It doesn't mean that it is bad. It just means that the screen is taking MORE battery than other things. You need to take it for what it is. A comparison versus other items on the phone. Your screen using that much power is how it should be (think about your laptop... turn the screen down or off, battery goes right up). If your screen was at the bottom, it would mean that the actual PHONE was using a ton more power.
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Guys... You WANT your screen to be the highest thing using battery. It doesn't mean that it is bad. It just means that the screen is taking MORE battery than other things. You need to take it for what it is. A comparison versus other items on the phone. Your screen using that much power is how it should be (think about your laptop... turn the screen down or off, battery goes right up). If your screen was at the bottom, it would mean that the actual PHONE was using a ton more power.
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Guys... You WANT your screen to be the highest thing using battery. It doesn't mean that it is bad. It just means that the screen is taking MORE battery than other things. You need to take it for what it is. A comparison versus other items on the phone. Your screen using that much power is how it should be (think about your laptop... turn the screen down or off, battery goes right up). If your screen was at the bottom, it would mean that the actual PHONE was using a ton more power.
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I can't quote this enough for emphasis.
Use your brains folks. If your battery is lasting all day and your screen is using half of your power draw, then you simply have a far more efficient phone than before.
And over the EVO, that makes a TON of sense. Your WiMax OFDM radio probably used up a higher percentage of your total power draw because it simply uses more power than our WCDMA UMTS radio.
Be happy - not disappointed. It means your battery is mostly being used up only when you actually use the phone as opposed to eating up all of your battery while it's just sitting in your pocket.
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I can't quote this enough for emphasis.
Use your brains folks. If your battery is lasting all day and your screen is using half of your power draw, then you simply have a far more efficient phone than before.
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Rather than wasting time with not so clever posts, maybe it would be more beneficial to read the first post a bit closer. If you're not using the device a lot, you would expect the Display usage indicator to decrease over time and the other indicators such as Cell standby and Phone idle to increase over that same time period.
Hoping to get some good feedback from those who have used the epic for a couple months or more. Now that you're probably using the device normally, as in not attached to it all the time, how is battery life? I've heard initial reports that it's not so good... Also, for those of you who have updated unofficially to Froyo, does the upgrade help with battery life? Can anyone comment how Epic's battery compares to EVO's?
Thanks.
I usually get about 9 hours in my stock battery and 6-7 on my cheap eBay ones. Overall idea say meh, its about on par with most other android devices. I'm running the stock dk28 leak as well with no battery tweaks or mangers of any sort.
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On most of the DK28 roms I'm pulling a solid 10 hours with moderate use. For reference, If I leave the phone on standby all day in my house it's lasted 23 hours, if I recall correctly. Honestly that's pretty damn good for a smartphone.
EDIT: I don't use any battery-manager or powersaver either. Brightness = Auto, bluetooth/wifi/4g/gps = 1 is on at any given point in time usually. Google auto-sync = on as well as touiteur (twitter) and facebook notifications every 15 min.
I have been impressed by my battery life actually. I can't speak for the EVO(although maybe soon since my friend might give me his as a backup). I can usually get between 4-5 hours of play time(surfing, texting, apps, music, wireless tethering, movies, etc) The rest of the time it is usually idol. I usually charge it over night, unplug it around 7am, then plug it back in around 11pm. At 11pm, I usually have between 10- 30% battery left.
I just switched to a froyo ROM(bonsai, which is excellent) and so far the battery seems to be about the same. By lunchtime 12:30 it is usually between 70-80% and right now I am at 72% but I also had some extensive time testing the tethering feature.
To be honest, I had a blackberry, and the battery life was a little better, but the features were not nearly as good. It amazes me the battery these things get with that amazing samoled screen.
disclaimer: I do not play games outside of sudoku and spades, so my CPU does not really get challenged, which probably accounts for some battery savings. Oh and I use regular wallpapers, cause I don't really like the live wallpapers.
Im on 2.2.1,and I have to say I see a 40% increase in battery life compared to 2.1,and thats about 11-12 hours,no battery saving apps either,well except setcpu,which does help,but its set at 100mhz - 1ghz conservative.And I use it more now then when I got it,I havnt got tired of it at all.I have noticed the first 10% goes the fastest,and I have calibrated twice since moving to the ROM im on,and its the same in all,so if you get an Epic dont let that scare you.
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I've had an Epic since a couple weeks after it was released and I think the battery is probably working the way they meant it to, which means a solid day. I charge it overnight, unplug it when I go to work, plug it in when I go to bed, and I'm usually at around 40% by that time with moderate use. I don't generally have problems with battery drain.
The exception to this is when using GPS with the screen on. It's really difficult to use this phone as a direct PND replacement even though it's basically made for it (especially with Froyo, which fixes the GPS lock issues), because the screen and GPS together will drain the battery from 100% to 0% in about 40 minutes. My dedicated PND, by contrast, will give me 8 *hours* of continuous use on battery power.
Also, I have a 1000mah car charger and even with that connected, the battery still drains when using GPS and the screen (it just drains slower). I have to just turn the screen off when I know I won't be needing to make a turn for a while.
The one thing I wish about the Epic is that it had a regular old LCD screen. The AMOLED screen is the one battery killer - you really need to watch how long you have it on. In normal use it isn't much of an issue, but you just can't do much of all the cool things they advertise that you can do with this phone (like GPS or watching movies).
I do also keep my screen turned way down, which makes a difference, but it's still a killer.
Well, I reported over in another thread that with Froyo, and basically having my phone sit around and do nothing with no WiFi, GPS, Bluetooth, no "fixes" such as switching to airplane mode or killing the DRM service, and no "battery saver" programs, I was able to get 108 hours on a single charge with the stock battery (1500mAH). That was with the screen on time of about 50 minutes and talk time of about 40 minutes... (pictures here)
It all boils down to how you use your phone, but in a stock configuration, the power management seems to be better on 2.2 than 2.1 as shown by the large amount of "idle" time I was able to get on a single charge.
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Well, I reported over in another thread that with Froyo, and basically having my phone sit around and do nothing with no WiFi, GPS, Bluetooth, no "fixes" such as switching to airplane mode or killing the DRM service, and no "battery saver" programs, I was able to get 108 hours on a single charge with the stock battery (1500mAH). That was with the screen on time of about 50 minutes and talk time of about 40 minutes... (pictures here)
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I don't disbelieve that - in my post above, when I'm talking about draining the battery with GPS and the screen on in 40 minutes, or when I'm talking about having 40% battery left at the end of a regular day, it's almost always with a screen on time of 30-40 minutes. So 50 minutes sounds about right to drain the battery completely, with nothing else on.
I'll bet if you had 0 minutes screen on time - just let the phone sit idle - you could have probably gotten 200 hours or more.
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I'll bet if you had 0 minutes screen on time - just let the phone sit idle - you could have probably gotten 200 hours or more.
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LOL, what's the point of having a phone then? 8-9 days without using it? I dont think I could hold out that long.
And I didn't even see your post until after I posted.
Koadic said:
LOL, what's the point of having a phone then? 8-9 days without using it? I dont think I could hold out that long.
And I didn't even see your post until after I posted.
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No I know, I was more just clarifying so it didn't seem like we contradicted each other. I think the important stat is really screen time and then any extra radios you have turned on. Just with the regular radio and nothing else, you could get ridiculous battery life on the Epic. It's the extra radios and screen that kill it.
My phone gets me through the day. About 20% down in 7 hours on standby, so thats decent. Heavy usage with full brightness on and live wallpaper starting in the morning, stopping at like 6 A.M...it'd probably die there, for me at least.
The battery is good; I'm running the dk28 rom but it really hasn't affected my battery life at all.
On phoenix kernel i was getting 20-36 hours moderate to light usage. With acs xtreme kernel I'm getting 12-20 hrs w/ moderate use.
That's about 3-4 hrs of screen on time, 45-60 min of talk time. Emails, text ing, twitter, xda, and some various forum reading. Angry birds if waiting in line somewhere..
Note: I leave background data turned off and manually sync/refresh mail/contacts/data. I have no need/desire to be alerted evrytime someone updates twit/fb. I also use juice defender.
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I can barely look at my phone on full brightness - it hurts my eyes with beams of awesome.
I get between 13 and 16 hours depending on how much Angry Bird time I put in that day. If I'm doing normal browsing, facebooking, etc then I'll be closer to 16, but gaming drops my battery like a rock.
Thanks for the replies! I think I'm convinced a lot of it has to do with how you use the device. Pretty much how it went with the EVO when it first came out... lots of people complaining about battery and then it kind of faded once everyone settled down. All I need is to get from early morning to right before bed.
GPS with google nav is a killer on any Android with decent screen size and resolution I think. Anyway, I thought SAMOLED is supposed to save a little battery? Or is that only if the background is black? In any case, I usually dim my screen to 30%, keep GPS off, keep auto-updates down to a manageable size, and use some other tricks to save battery, so I should be good to go.
I tried to thank all of you with the new thanks button, but didn't realize there's a limit per day haha. I'll finish it up tomorrow.
As far as I am concerned the battery life on DK28 is amazing. I use overclock widget set at 1000/200 screen on and 400/200 screen off. I can pull more than 30 hours with multiple phone calls, texting, email, web and games for over an hour. Here's the screen shot I took today before putting the phone on the charger.
I've noticed a substantial improvement in battery life since upgrading to 2.2. However, I also began using the Epic Experience ROM shortly afterwards, which boosted it even further. That, plus Juice Defender nets me a perfectly acceptable battery life.
I used my phone heavily today and still got about 18 hours out of it before plugging it in before bed at a 35% charge. On top of that, my phone's never felt snappier.
whoa, is it normal for the epic to take 3.5 hours to charge? If so, any explanation? Past devices i've had tend to take an hour less... Running 2.1, does Froyo help?
Currently on Epic Experience with SuperPower installed. I unplugged the phone about 16 hours ago and it's sitting at 36% with light voice and moderate SMS/data use.
Battery life definitely improved after upgrading from 2.1, even with light use it would be dead in under 12 hours on stock 2.1/DI17.
How to get unbelievable battery life
I have some very VERY helpful hints of great battery life for the Epic 4g. (as i am on hour 26 to 28 and have 20% left with about 1 to 1.5 hours of screen on use.)
First off, use black, or almost black background. Our screens are superAMOLED. This means that if the screen is showing black... those particular black pixels... are simply not on. If you have the home screen black, and have no icons on it, then the status bar is all that is using power... maybe 6 or 8 percent.
Next, Lose the brightness. A few helpful hints on this. 1) uncheck the autobrightness in the display settings 2) turn the brightness down in the display settings 3) If you slide your finger from right to left across the status bar at the top, the screen will dim, if you slide your finger from left to right, it will brighten(this causes accidental brightness 4) cover this light sensor on the right side at the top (I believe) because the phone seems to have a problem always autobrighting even with the uncheck in the settings. This is done best with electrical tape, or perhaps finger nail polish. These things should ensure to always be at minimum brightness
Next, Install Frankenstein Froyo Rom(lightest rom=less cpu usage/blackest rom=less screen battery usage), And Genocide Kernel(undervolted)
Next, install task killer(keeps the rom at optimum efficiency meaning less cpu usage assuming you are killing the apps 3 or 4 times a day) install set cpu(This allows you to limit the cpu clock speed(400mhz is optimal usable and battery settings)
Things to remember, ALWAYS TURN THE SCREEN OFF.
If you pick it up every thirty seconds to see if you have a text, then just sit it down... whats happening now.. The screen is staying on for another 15 seconds probably. DUH!!! bye bye battery!!
TURN OFF THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU SIT THE PHONE DOWN!!!
Turn off gps when not in use.
Turn off wifi when not in use.
Turn off 4g when not in use
Dont use it as an mp3 player.
Dont talk on speaker phone.
Those last few were pretty obvious.. but some people need to be told.
I Hope this helps anyone looking to conserve battery. Follow these steps and i promise 24 hours plus ever time and often as much as 48 hours.
Enjoy
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By the way, When you set yourself up with this rom, you are making your phone TWICE as fast... LITERALLY. Hard to believe that a ROM could be twice as fast.
With stock android2.1 this phone gets 800 to 900 in quadrant(benchmark tool/tell how fast your phone REALLY is) Stock android 2.2 quadrant score is a little better scoring as high as 1000.
With this setup, i have gotten as high as 1950 in quadrant. No joke. This is reflected as you cant even tell the phone is clocked down to 400mhz without heavy apps and REALLY paying attention.
I used to get about 8 hrs of use before having to charge. Battery would drain even when I wasn't using the phone. Since flashing to DI18 a few months ago battery life has been great. A good 15-17 hours of moderate/high use and minimal drain with the phone on standby.
I lower the brightness all the way, end the DRM process and do the TWS trick after a reboot. No fancy battery management app that disables all your phone for the sake of battery.
I expect 2 hrs of the screen being on before my battery gets down to 20-30%. Which I think is very reasonable for moderate to high usage.
Update: Just wanted to provide an update to this. I ran some very basic tests on both phones at the same time such as browsing, checking emails, a little gaming, etc. And what I noticed was that the G6 actually performed slightly better than the OP5 for normal use, and of course this is more important than a constant video playback test. And based on what others posted below it makes complete sense now why the OP5 seemed to be better in this. (Assuming the numbers were even accurate). But in normal day to day use I am seeing the G6 having excellent battery life. Anyway just wanted to update this so it doesnt cause someone to think I am saying the G6's battery is bad. Original post below.
Hello XDA. I just got a T-Mobile LG G6 and LOVE IT, except for one issue. Battery life. AOD is off, and always has been. My other phone Ive been using before this is a Oneplus 5. Ive been trying to decide which phone is going to be my permanent phone and love the G6 over the OP5 in almost every way except for battery life. I ran some basic tests just to get an idea of how they compare. Now I know that the G6 has a 2K LCD display and the OP5 has a 1080p Amoled. But I didnt think there would be that much of a difference since a lot of people said that the difference as far as battery life wouldnt be that much.
So I went into the tests expecting the OP5 to a bit better. But I didnt expect the results I got. The short result is that the OP5 had 20% more battery after running the below Netflix test for 2 hours. I ran the test again the next day, this time for 5 hours and the OP5 had 55% more battery left than the G6. The average percentage loss for the G6 running Netflix was 10% every 30 minutes, while the OP5 only loss an average of 3.25% every 30 minutes. When checking the battery usage to see what is draining the battery the most it is definitely the screen. On the G6 it accounted for 34% of the total loss, and on the OP5 it was only 13% of the loss. So maybe the 2K vs 1080p screen is the culprit after all. Like I said I expected it to be a factor, just not a 21% difference in the total usage between the G6 and OP5.
I also know that my OP5 is running 7.1.1 and the G6 7.0, but as far as I know the main difference between the 2 versions is Doze, and I have Doze off on the OP5 due to a Gmail sync issue. And I also know that a simple Netflix test doesnt really represent what kind of battery life I can expect from normal day to day use. Anyway basically what I want to know is does this seem normal, and when the G6 gets 7.1, or 7.1.1 will that improve the battery life enough to hopefully be better than this?
Like I said I REALLY like the G6 in every way, except the battery life. And Im not giving up on it. So if there is some hope that the battery life will improve that will definitely make me lean more towards keeping the G6 over the OP5. Anyway thanks for any input. Below is some more details on the test results I got. And Ive attached a screenshot of the battery usage with it at 11%, down 8% since the Netflix test ended.
LG G6 vs Oneplus 5 (2nd Netflix drain test)
Netflix Streaming Test at 100% Brightness, no other apps running. No Sim card in either. Both had same settings toggles on also:
LG G6:
Started at 100%
After 30 mins 92% Lost 8
After 60 mins 83% Lost 17
After 90 mins 72% Lost 28
After 2 Hours 61% Lost 39
After 2:30 mins 52% Lost 48
After 4 Hours at 40% Lost 60%
After 5 Hours at 19% Lost 81% (55% more drain than OP5)
Average of 10% loss every 30 minutes (About 6% more loss per minute)
Oneplus 5:
Started at 100%
After 30 mins 97% Lost 3
After 60 mins 94% Lost 6
After 90 mins 90% Lost 10
After 2 Hours 87% Lost 13
After 2:30 mins 84% Lost 16
After 4 Hours at 80% Lost 20%
After 5 Hours at 74% Lost 26% (55% less drain than G6)
Average of 3.25% Lost every 30 minutes (About 6% less loss per minute)
Just wanted to add an update. I decided since the main drain from the G6 was the screen that I would try the test again, but this time adjust the screen brightness on both devices so they look as close as possible. When I had both set to 100% before the OP5 was quite a bit brighter. So this time I had them looking as much the same as I could. The test results were much different.
Oneplus 5 after 4 hours of Netflix had 65% left.
LG G6 after 4 hours had 46% left.
Although its still 19% less than before, its a lot better than the 40% difference from the previous test. So Im hoping by leaving the G6 at a lower brightness will help improve the battery life. And of course hoping that 7.1 also helps. Anyway just wanted to update this. Thanks
Anyway, i think that is not a fair comparisson... OP5 has 1920x1080 screen and G6 1440 x 2880, at least for me, 5 hours of screen is totally awesome, but if LG do something to extend the battery efficience would be great
The OP5 has an AMOLED display. The pixels in these displays actually create their own light. They consume no power when they are black, low power when dim, and quite a bit of power when displaying bright or white content.
LCD displays like the G6 use a backlight with a panel in front that blocks the light from getting to your eyes, creating an image. They have consistent power consumption that is completely determined by the backlight level, the image itself is irrelevant.
TV shows and movies tend to have pretty low white level, so AMOLED displays use very little power most of the time. Switch test to browsing where there are tons of white backgrounds and you would probably see the LG catch up or take the lead.
Edit: Also have to mention that the OP5 is using a pentile subpixel layout. This means that instead of each pixel being made of red green blue sub-pixels like the G6, it only displaying either a red green or a blue green for each pixel. So not only is the OP5 displaying less than half the pixels that the G6 is, it's only showing 2/3 of each pixel.
Gam3r 4 Life said:
Just wanted to add an update. I decided since the main drain from the G6 was the screen that I would try the test again, but this time adjust the screen brightness on both devices so they look as close as possible. When I had both set to 100% before the OP5 was quite a bit brighter. So this time I had them looking as much the same as I could. The test results were much different.
Oneplus 5 after 4 hours of Netflix had 65% left.
LG G6 after 4 hours had 46% left.
Although its still 19% less than before, its a lot better than the 40% difference from the previous test. So Im hoping by leaving the G6 at a lower brightness will help improve the battery life. And of course hoping that 7.1 also helps. Anyway just wanted to update this. Thanks
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I'm not sure how you achieved these numbers, but i suppose it's not accurate, specially those on #1 post.
Assuming OP5 has 3,25% drain every 30 min is like saying it has a screen-on time of 15+ hours. No phone could ever get this with actual tech.
Great battery phones, with heavily modded kernels and roms, helped by wakelock limiting apps, could achieve about 8-9 hours max with screen turned on.
So, my guess is that it could be some kind of battery trick on OP5 side (not showing accurate percentage, for example).
Your second test is more feasible, but i really think it's still too much for both phones (about 7,4h SOT for G6 and 11,4h for OP5).
Please don't take it as a criticism on your tests. I'm just saying here that your battery is lasting as expected for today standards.
G6 does poorly/average in these constant playback tests but overall in normal use it manages to do well. Whatever case, in my kind of use, it does really well
Does the G6 have wifi scanning turned on?
OFFTOP: How OP5 and LG G6 screen compare? OP5's AMOLED is PenTile so not really fullHD. Is the G6 much sharper when displaying small text etc? I dunno which one to consider buying
About differences in battery -> remember G6 has older, more power hungry SOC. And it has to much more work thanks to bigger resolution. I would say difference is actually quite small having that in mind and LG did great job of optimising its software.
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I'm not sure how you achieved these numbers, but i suppose it's not accurate, specially those on #1 post.
Assuming OP5 has 3,25% drain every 30 min is like saying it has a screen-on time of 15+ hours. No phone could ever get this with actual tech.
Great battery phones, with heavily modded kernels and roms, helped by wakelock limiting apps, could achieve about 8-9 hours max with screen turned on.
So, my guess is that it could be some kind of battery trick on OP5 side (not showing accurate percentage, for example).
Your second test is more feasible, but i really think it's still too much for both phones (about 7,4h SOT for G6 and 11,4h for OP5).
Please don't take it as a criticism on your tests. I'm just saying here that your battery is lasting as expected for today standards.
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Im not sure how I got those numbers either. I just wrote down and noted what I saw. The fact that they looked to good to be true, and that there was such a discrepancy between the 2 was why I ran the test again. And it wouldnt surprise me if Oneplus had done something to inflate the numbers. I dont know if you read about it, but they were caught again "cheating" benchmarks by forcing the phones to run at maximum when they detected a benchmark app running.
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G6 does poorly/average in these constant playback tests but overall in normal use it manages to do well. Whatever case, in my kind of use, it does really well
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I decided to do another basic test and just started playing around in apps, games, browsing, etc. at the same time on both phones. And the G6 not only kept up with the OP5 but beat it slightly, and the G6 had my Sim card in at the time, and the OP5 didnt. So what I am noticing is that in normal use the G6 has been great, and even slightly better than the OP5.
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OFFTOP: How OP5 and LG G6 screen compare? OP5's AMOLED is PenTile so not really fullHD. Is the G6 much sharper when displaying small text etc? I dunno which one to consider buying
About differences in battery -> remember G6 has older, more power hungry SOC. And it has to much more work thanks to bigger resolution. I would say difference is actually quite small having that in mind and LG did great job of optimising its software.
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Another thing I noticed is that overnight when both phones werent being used that the G6 had just slightly more battery in the morning. So Ill update my post above so people dont think Im just trashing the G6. After more testing, and normal use it seems to have excellent battery. So Im not sure why there was such a difference in the video playback tests. Anyway thanks for all the responses!
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The OP5 has an AMOLED display. The pixels in these displays actually create their own light. They consume no power when they are black, low power when dim, and quite a bit of power when displaying bright or white content.
LCD displays like the G6 use a backlight with a panel in front that blocks the light from getting to your eyes, creating an image. They have consistent power consumption that is completely determined by the backlight level, the image itself is irrelevant.
TV shows and movies tend to have pretty low white level, so AMOLED displays use very little power most of the time. Switch test to browsing where there are tons of white backgrounds and you would probably see the LG catch up or take the lead.
Edit: Also have to mention that the OP5 is using a pentile subpixel layout. This means that instead of each pixel being made of red green blue sub-pixels like the G6, it only displaying either a red green or a blue green for each pixel. So not only is the OP5 displaying less than half the pixels that the G6 is, it's only showing 2/3 of each pixel.
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This makes complete sense. Especially after my recent tests where I turned the brightness down on the G6 to match the OP5, and when I ran normal tests that I explained in my other posts. The G6 actually performed slightly better in normal use such as browsing, checking emails, etc.
Abnormally high screen on times are not uncommon in video playback tests while on WIFI. This is due to the lower brightness required (low average white level), lower processor utilization (due to hardware decoding), and no interaction with the screen (due to the processor not jumping to max frequency on screen touch).
It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact before depleting the battery.
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Battery life on this phone is amazing.
Since it has the same 2700mAh battery as its bigger brother, it can easily last 2 days of average usage.
I'm currently typing this at 7pm, and my phone is at 71% battery, while I've been up since 8:30am
Checked the battery monitor on hidden menu and it states 2800mah (my currently battery % is 80)
how much you guys have?
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Checked the battery monitor on hidden menu and it states 2800mah (my currently battery % is 80)
how much you guys have?
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2820mAh according to the service menu battery test, not bad.
Are you guys using Stamina mode? I am new to the Xperia phones and the XZ1 Compact is a first for me. I came to it from a Google Pixel because I wanted a smaller phone for better one-handed use and better battery life. So far, I'm not seeing much increase over the Pixel with my usual usage. I have only had it for a few days and have been ending the day around 30-35%. Phone idle and Google Play Services seem to utilize the most battery and my typical screen time in a day is around 1:45-2:00 hours.
I set stamina to kick in at 15%
I haven't reached that point yet, right now I have 25% remaining and already have 6.5 h of sot. I didn't do anything too demanding, but half the day the signal was rather bad, so in the end I gotta say this thing is a beast.
Not using stamina. Didnt like the lag on screen when stamina was on. on android is pretty good now with disabling apps on background...
i usually have 5 hours screen...
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Are you guys using Stamina mode? I am new to the Xperia phones and the XZ1 Compact is a first for me. I came to it from a Google Pixel because I wanted a smaller phone for better one-handed use and better battery life. So far, I'm not seeing much increase over the Pixel with my usual usage. I have only had it for a few days and have been ending the day around 30-35%. Phone idle and Google Play Services seem to utilize the most battery and my typical screen time in a day is around 1:45-2:00 hours.
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Modern Stamina is completely different from the original Stamina, which was awesome. Back in the golden days, it was actually able to effectively extended battery life without sacrificing overall performance.
With the introduction of Marshmallow however, Stamina essentially "broke" - there were overlapping conflicts with MM's new Doze feature, which in theory aimed to conserve battery in ways similar to Stamina but in reality didn't quite live up to its promise.
Since Doze is baked in to the OS and pretty much here to stay, Sony decided to kill off Stamina with the first few MM firmware releases.
It was eventually resurrected, but it has never been the same again. You can say that only the name lived on, under the hood it's two entirely different things.
Now that history lesson is over, back to your question. Stamina on the XZ1 Compact is just a combination of trivial battery saving tricks that may or may not actually save a significant amount of battery life.
The description in Stamina mode details the biggest battery eating features that Stamina disables, if you don't actively use any of them during normal use, it's likely that Stamina won't be of much help in conserving battery for you.
You'll probably save more battery by dimming your screen or disabling ambient light sensor.
Ultra Stamina basically turns your smartphone into a dumbphone to squeeze as much life as possible out of the remaining battery. Unless you're away from a charger for a long time and you absolutely need to make a phone call or text or whatever before you can plug it in, don't use this mode, it's horrid.
Thanks for the brief history lesson! I did notice Stamina mode left some to be desired with scrolling, primarily. After messing around with some settings and putting the screen to a dimmer level, I seem to be getting better battery life. Perhaps it has to do with a new phone and the software and battery need to "learn" each other? As it is, the XZ1C is already longer lived than my Pixel, which typically needed to be plugged in at least once to make it through the day. Honestly, I'd take a thicker phone with larger battery. A wafer-thin phone with the latest tech is useless if the battery is dead.
I use stamina the whole time. I've found the bottom stamina preset is the best for scrolling. It's barely noticeable over non-stamina. Also, I've disabled background data and set location to GPS only. I get about 8-9hrs of SOT.
This phone is a bit unpredictable. I was pleasantly surprised by the improved battery life earlier in the week, and now it barely lasts through my usual 16 hour day before getting into the red. This past Saturday and Sunday, I had about 4 hours screen time and the phone made it through my day with 43% left in the battery. Monday I got about 3 hours screen time and finished with just over 20%, and yesterday I wrapped up with 7% and only used it for 1:45 screen time. I haven't done anything differently or installed any new apps. The reception is a little worse at my office is than at the school where I teach part-time, but I don't think that should make a 30% difference in battery life. I still get full bars WiFi and 2-3 bars LTE, where at the school LTE is usually 4-5 bars. Funny thing is, I about double my screen time at the teaching job since students don't always need me so I'm browsing on my phone. At my office, I'm usually busy and don't touch the phone much at all, but these past two days I'm practically watching the percentage drop. Today, I'm off the plug for about 2.5 hours and already down to 86% with 5 minutes screen-on time.
I'm thinking there must be some background app or process running that is killing the battery, but the app usage shows "phone idle" as the highest power drain, followed by Google Play Services. I often like to keep the more "core" apps running in the background so they can pull updates, notifications, etc. so I don't have to constantly be pushing the phone to do them manually.
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I use stamina the whole time. I've found the bottom stamina preset is the best for scrolling. It's barely noticeable over non-stamina. Also, I've disabled background data and set location to GPS only. I get about 8-9hrs of SOT.
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I agree but still dont use this... scrolling with stamina is not that smooth like with stamin off.
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I agree but still dont use this... scrolling with stamina is not that smooth like with stamin off.
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Maybe I should try stamina off with background sync disabled. The scrolling is smooth, but it feels like the display refresh is only 30fps, which still bothers my eyes.
Just surfing reddit and listen to Spotify. Wifi and bt 100% on.
Wow. 2 days of standby and 10 hours of screen usage?? How did you manage that? I'm happy with just one full day when I don't have to plug in. I've already turned off most location services and updates, leaving just essentials like e-mail and weather still on. I also used to have a live wallpaper, which has now been changed to a static photo.
I have uninstalled all Google apps besides: Gmail, Calendar and Keep.
I have uninstalled all the bloat experia apps including swift key. (see thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-xz1-compact/help/managed-to-hide-whats-app-root-t3681393)
I use a black wallpaper and also night-mode in chromium swe browser.
I have turned off 4G/LTE since it sux in Sweden. Use only 2G/3G+Wifi.
I use dns66 for Adblock.
I have no audio/video enhancements on.
I have set auto brightness to off (low light auto brightness sux on xz1c)
I use Pebble 2SE which uses BTLE (LowEnergy)
Perhaps a bit off topic, however I would like to know how is the auto brightness feature on this phone.
I have a soon-to-be-dead Z3 compact and I used Lux auto brightness on it since the stock one basically didn't do anything.
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Perhaps a bit off topic, however I would like to know how is the auto brightness feature on this phone.
I have a soon-to-be-dead Z3 compact and I used Lux auto brightness on it since the stock one basically didn't do anything.
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The auto brightness on this phone works well, even too well. Sometimes in certain environment, a little tilt on the phone will cause the brightness to adjust immediately. I would say it is the most sensitive auto brightness in all phones I've used this far.
Almost 3 days with 7+ hours of screen on time
Guys this phone battery is amazing! I use my smartphone for public relations so i always use whatsapp, instagram etc... I wake up around 8-9 and don't have any problems the whole day.. gps on everywhere, google apps on, data on all time, use some spotify too and don't remember what else. I wouldn't change it for anything and would suggest you to buy it. Gj SONY.
It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the Samsung Galaxy M51 before depleting the battery.
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Getting 17hrs of screen on time minimum on full charge for youtube 3hrs , clash of clans 2hrs and 45-50 mins of calls per day....last 3 days with my usage
Plus Whatsapp of 1 hrs approx per day
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Getting 17hrs of screen on time minimum on full charge for youtube 3hrs , clash of clans 2hrs and 45-50 mins of calls per day....last 3 days with my usage
Plus Whatsapp of 1 hrs approx per day
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I've had this phone 2 days and so far I've had 6 hours 31 minutes of screen time and I have 58 percent battery left. This is mostly YouTube, Web browsing, an hour of downloading apps from play store and a bit of emulation (ppsspp) am extremely impressed with the battery life on this phone.
Battery lasts more than 2 days at Medium Power Saving mode with moderate apps usage(no gaming but with youtube, magic fluid live wallpaper, whatsapp, browsing) and SOT approx 13+ hours in these two days. At the end of second day battery remains at 30-35%.
Has anybody here compared to the Moto G8 Power? Is the battery life even better?
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Has anybody here compared to the Moto G8 Power? Is the battery life even better?
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Exactly how do you think a cheap SD 665 11nm chip with a 5,000mAh battery will do against a higher tier SD 730g 8nm chip with a 7,000mAh battery?
Hmmmmm ?
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Exactly how do you think a cheap SD 665 11nm chip with a 5,000mAh battery will do against a higher tier SD 730g 8nm chip with a 7,000mAh battery?
Hmmmmm ?
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Could have answered like a normal person.
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Could have answered like a normal person.
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I did... Exactly how do you think they will compare?
@Devilmonkey27 No need for snark...
It was a genuine question, try to provide a genuine answer. Please reply properly or don't reply at all.
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@Devilmonkey27 No need for snark...
It was a genuine question, try to provide a genuine answer. Please reply properly or don't reply at all.
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So exactly how do you think a phone with half the specs will do?
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So exactly how do you think a phone with half the specs will do?
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You're missing the point. My post has nothing to do with that...
I'm simply asking, that if you have anything to add to a thread, please do so in a constructive manner without snark or attitude. It would have been very easy for you to convey your message without being rude or condescending.
If you've got more to discuss on this particular matter, please contact me through a private message (to keep the thread on topic).
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Exactly how do you think a cheap SD 665 11nm chip with a 5,000mAh battery will do against a higher tier SD 730g 8nm chip with a 7,000mAh battery?
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To come back on it, I have it since today and so far it's looking like the G8 Power has better or equal batterylife, standby drain is somehow bad on the M51, I checked all apps. Still I'll let the software settle and get through more cycles and check Gsam Battery Monitor in a couple of days again.
I honestly blame Samsung's other apps that aren't used and aren't able to be disabled or uninstalled.
Hi guys. I wanted to let you know my findings and provide some test results of galaxy m51 battery life. Firstly, I will outline what was my priority for that test. I wanted to check how long the phone can last mainly on google maps navigation with additional apps in the background. Also this test is a bit static so to speak but had no chance travelling for so many hours. That said I believe SOT was tested correctly for my planned usage. I guess in a real case scenario, I would need to do some more browsing and perhaps occasional screen switch offs during a break like filling up the fuel or stop to rest on a bicycle.
How I performed my test.
1. I did some initial installations, downloaded my apps and logged in to social apps such as FB, Spotify so they can work in the background, send notifications etc.
2. Once I completed the setup, I charged the very new phone to 100%. AccuBatter reported capacity was 6800mAh designed capacity not 7000mAh and estimated capacity 6700mAh.
3. CPU-Z reported Snapdragon 730 so I regret it is not 730G and honestly I do not know how to check with online stores as the packaging does not help with this. Also, I plan to test POCO F2 PRO 8gb ram/256gb version the same way and see how it goes since I get better hardware, but I like SD card slot on galaxy m51. Very useful when resetting the phone.
4. Set google maps navigation, lunched another app which uses GPS and LTE for maps showing speed cameras, road works or dangers which I use alongside with google maps. I also start shuffle play on Spotify to imitate streaming the music in my car or on the bike.
5. WiFi, LTE, GPS, Bluetooth, sync was enabled, blue light filter enabled.
6. Between 15-20 apps were in the background.
7. I unplugged the device from the mains.
8. Initial 15% discharge was with a WiFi connection with my router. Then switched of my router for overnight, left wifi enabled on Samsung but it had to continue downloading data over LTE such as Spotify music streaming. I also changed google map setting to day light only to avoid night backlight.
9. I went to bed? and in the morning there was still a lot of juice.
10. Around 20% discharge I took about 100 pictures most of them in burst mode to simulate a trip where you simply stop and take some snaps.
11. I stopped the test at 1% discharge and noticed no heating problem. The phone was cool during the test.
The overall SOT measured until 1% discharge was a staggering 17h 50m? Below you will find AccuBattery screenshots. At remaining 15% I had still over 2 h 42 m of use left.
This phone reminded me of good, old days of my Samsung galaxy s3 with a Zerolemon 7000mAh?
Now with my galaxy s7 deteriorating battery (current capacity just over 2300mAh) this is a great thing. For Galaxy s7 I also own a KiwiBird powerbank case of 5400mAh right from the beginning wich did its job when away from the mains, travelling etc.
I guess for a more accurate SOT, I would need to add some phone calls and browsing but even with I deduct 2h, it is still nearly 16 h of use. Like for me excellent. I also do not plan gaming.
On the downside of this phone it seems like my galaxy s7 takes a bit better picture, but it just might be my perception of selfies taken. Back camera is also just ok on a cloudy day. Ok but that is an offtopic.
I got my M51 yesterday and I am not fully sure yet about battery lifetime. I have charged it to 100% and about 8 hours and 2.5 hours secreen time later I am at about 90%.
Coming from my Moto Z Play I am not sure yet if I stay with the galaxy. The Mot Z Play with Incipio OffGrid Wireless Power Pack mod is about the same size and weight. Though provides less capacity (3300mAh phone + 2200mAh power mod) but battery lifetime still was bout 3-4 days usually.
The M51 is also getting considerably warmer during use.
I noticed also the Samsung battery saver with medium settings can reduce the CPU clock to max out at 70% which is handy. Not sure if there is any undervolting, underclocking tools as I think I would be perfectly fine with less performance - actually I was able to reach insane battery life on my old Galaxy P1000 with TricksterMod and custom undervolting back in the days.
I still believe better lifetime with the M51 would be possible bz reducing CPU clock and also with better screen brightness control. I noticed many times already that the M51 screen was too bright for me and having to reduce the slider to "minimum" position or very close to it. Also I noticed that the screen brightness slider is not linear at all. So on the last notch on the left side the screen really starts to dim properly while to the right there isn't much change. Also I like still to use automatic screen brightness adjustments but found the automatic adjustment often moves the brightness too high.
Also a possibility to limit the used screen area (e.g. display black bar on bottom/top) would save energy on the AMOLED screen while still providing more than enough screen space.
EDIT: One-Handed mode sort of provides this feature, but not exactly what I was looking for (like cinema-bars on top and bottom and no prominent "one-handed-mode" title.
I will continue to use the M51 for a couple of charges and decide if I am going to trade it again. The phone itself is performing well, supporting VoLTE WiFi calling but seems to lack carrier aggregation for no apparent reason. I strongly dislike the slippery, fingerprint-attracting, cheap-looking plastic backside of it.
I also hate that everywhere you tap it tries to sign up to a Samsung account. Also replaced the launcher with Nova launcher.
Below is the answer to almost all above useless posts
Battery life tests - GSMArena.com
Why I say useless ?
Simply. SOT will be completely different when you read ebooks compared when you watch movies or browse Internet.
Gsmarena does standarised comparison
I am fan of long life battery phones. I used "king" Lenovo P2 for over 2 years. M51 is better.
I'm at the fourth cycle of charge.. and got 15 hrs so far.. have done a heavy idb debloating
maby it will increase over more charging cycles?
i m getting about 20h sot normal usage
facebook lite, browser , youtube , aliexpress and playing alphalt extreme 30 min
wifi and dark mode on
brightness between 10-40 %
data off
location off
this phone have a very good battery