Update: Just wanted to provide an update to this. I ran some very basic tests on both phones at the same time such as browsing, checking emails, a little gaming, etc. And what I noticed was that the G6 actually performed slightly better than the OP5 for normal use, and of course this is more important than a constant video playback test. And based on what others posted below it makes complete sense now why the OP5 seemed to be better in this. (Assuming the numbers were even accurate). But in normal day to day use I am seeing the G6 having excellent battery life. Anyway just wanted to update this so it doesnt cause someone to think I am saying the G6's battery is bad. Original post below.
Hello XDA. I just got a T-Mobile LG G6 and LOVE IT, except for one issue. Battery life. AOD is off, and always has been. My other phone Ive been using before this is a Oneplus 5. Ive been trying to decide which phone is going to be my permanent phone and love the G6 over the OP5 in almost every way except for battery life. I ran some basic tests just to get an idea of how they compare. Now I know that the G6 has a 2K LCD display and the OP5 has a 1080p Amoled. But I didnt think there would be that much of a difference since a lot of people said that the difference as far as battery life wouldnt be that much.
So I went into the tests expecting the OP5 to a bit better. But I didnt expect the results I got. The short result is that the OP5 had 20% more battery after running the below Netflix test for 2 hours. I ran the test again the next day, this time for 5 hours and the OP5 had 55% more battery left than the G6. The average percentage loss for the G6 running Netflix was 10% every 30 minutes, while the OP5 only loss an average of 3.25% every 30 minutes. When checking the battery usage to see what is draining the battery the most it is definitely the screen. On the G6 it accounted for 34% of the total loss, and on the OP5 it was only 13% of the loss. So maybe the 2K vs 1080p screen is the culprit after all. Like I said I expected it to be a factor, just not a 21% difference in the total usage between the G6 and OP5.
I also know that my OP5 is running 7.1.1 and the G6 7.0, but as far as I know the main difference between the 2 versions is Doze, and I have Doze off on the OP5 due to a Gmail sync issue. And I also know that a simple Netflix test doesnt really represent what kind of battery life I can expect from normal day to day use. Anyway basically what I want to know is does this seem normal, and when the G6 gets 7.1, or 7.1.1 will that improve the battery life enough to hopefully be better than this?
Like I said I REALLY like the G6 in every way, except the battery life. And Im not giving up on it. So if there is some hope that the battery life will improve that will definitely make me lean more towards keeping the G6 over the OP5. Anyway thanks for any input. Below is some more details on the test results I got. And Ive attached a screenshot of the battery usage with it at 11%, down 8% since the Netflix test ended.
LG G6 vs Oneplus 5 (2nd Netflix drain test)
Netflix Streaming Test at 100% Brightness, no other apps running. No Sim card in either. Both had same settings toggles on also:
LG G6:
Started at 100%
After 30 mins 92% Lost 8
After 60 mins 83% Lost 17
After 90 mins 72% Lost 28
After 2 Hours 61% Lost 39
After 2:30 mins 52% Lost 48
After 4 Hours at 40% Lost 60%
After 5 Hours at 19% Lost 81% (55% more drain than OP5)
Average of 10% loss every 30 minutes (About 6% more loss per minute)
Oneplus 5:
Started at 100%
After 30 mins 97% Lost 3
After 60 mins 94% Lost 6
After 90 mins 90% Lost 10
After 2 Hours 87% Lost 13
After 2:30 mins 84% Lost 16
After 4 Hours at 80% Lost 20%
After 5 Hours at 74% Lost 26% (55% less drain than G6)
Average of 3.25% Lost every 30 minutes (About 6% less loss per minute)
Just wanted to add an update. I decided since the main drain from the G6 was the screen that I would try the test again, but this time adjust the screen brightness on both devices so they look as close as possible. When I had both set to 100% before the OP5 was quite a bit brighter. So this time I had them looking as much the same as I could. The test results were much different.
Oneplus 5 after 4 hours of Netflix had 65% left.
LG G6 after 4 hours had 46% left.
Although its still 19% less than before, its a lot better than the 40% difference from the previous test. So Im hoping by leaving the G6 at a lower brightness will help improve the battery life. And of course hoping that 7.1 also helps. Anyway just wanted to update this. Thanks
Anyway, i think that is not a fair comparisson... OP5 has 1920x1080 screen and G6 1440 x 2880, at least for me, 5 hours of screen is totally awesome, but if LG do something to extend the battery efficience would be great
The OP5 has an AMOLED display. The pixels in these displays actually create their own light. They consume no power when they are black, low power when dim, and quite a bit of power when displaying bright or white content.
LCD displays like the G6 use a backlight with a panel in front that blocks the light from getting to your eyes, creating an image. They have consistent power consumption that is completely determined by the backlight level, the image itself is irrelevant.
TV shows and movies tend to have pretty low white level, so AMOLED displays use very little power most of the time. Switch test to browsing where there are tons of white backgrounds and you would probably see the LG catch up or take the lead.
Edit: Also have to mention that the OP5 is using a pentile subpixel layout. This means that instead of each pixel being made of red green blue sub-pixels like the G6, it only displaying either a red green or a blue green for each pixel. So not only is the OP5 displaying less than half the pixels that the G6 is, it's only showing 2/3 of each pixel.
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Just wanted to add an update. I decided since the main drain from the G6 was the screen that I would try the test again, but this time adjust the screen brightness on both devices so they look as close as possible. When I had both set to 100% before the OP5 was quite a bit brighter. So this time I had them looking as much the same as I could. The test results were much different.
Oneplus 5 after 4 hours of Netflix had 65% left.
LG G6 after 4 hours had 46% left.
Although its still 19% less than before, its a lot better than the 40% difference from the previous test. So Im hoping by leaving the G6 at a lower brightness will help improve the battery life. And of course hoping that 7.1 also helps. Anyway just wanted to update this. Thanks
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I'm not sure how you achieved these numbers, but i suppose it's not accurate, specially those on #1 post.
Assuming OP5 has 3,25% drain every 30 min is like saying it has a screen-on time of 15+ hours. No phone could ever get this with actual tech.
Great battery phones, with heavily modded kernels and roms, helped by wakelock limiting apps, could achieve about 8-9 hours max with screen turned on.
So, my guess is that it could be some kind of battery trick on OP5 side (not showing accurate percentage, for example).
Your second test is more feasible, but i really think it's still too much for both phones (about 7,4h SOT for G6 and 11,4h for OP5).
Please don't take it as a criticism on your tests. I'm just saying here that your battery is lasting as expected for today standards.
G6 does poorly/average in these constant playback tests but overall in normal use it manages to do well. Whatever case, in my kind of use, it does really well
Does the G6 have wifi scanning turned on?
OFFTOP: How OP5 and LG G6 screen compare? OP5's AMOLED is PenTile so not really fullHD. Is the G6 much sharper when displaying small text etc? I dunno which one to consider buying
About differences in battery -> remember G6 has older, more power hungry SOC. And it has to much more work thanks to bigger resolution. I would say difference is actually quite small having that in mind and LG did great job of optimising its software.
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I'm not sure how you achieved these numbers, but i suppose it's not accurate, specially those on #1 post.
Assuming OP5 has 3,25% drain every 30 min is like saying it has a screen-on time of 15+ hours. No phone could ever get this with actual tech.
Great battery phones, with heavily modded kernels and roms, helped by wakelock limiting apps, could achieve about 8-9 hours max with screen turned on.
So, my guess is that it could be some kind of battery trick on OP5 side (not showing accurate percentage, for example).
Your second test is more feasible, but i really think it's still too much for both phones (about 7,4h SOT for G6 and 11,4h for OP5).
Please don't take it as a criticism on your tests. I'm just saying here that your battery is lasting as expected for today standards.
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Im not sure how I got those numbers either. I just wrote down and noted what I saw. The fact that they looked to good to be true, and that there was such a discrepancy between the 2 was why I ran the test again. And it wouldnt surprise me if Oneplus had done something to inflate the numbers. I dont know if you read about it, but they were caught again "cheating" benchmarks by forcing the phones to run at maximum when they detected a benchmark app running.
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G6 does poorly/average in these constant playback tests but overall in normal use it manages to do well. Whatever case, in my kind of use, it does really well
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I decided to do another basic test and just started playing around in apps, games, browsing, etc. at the same time on both phones. And the G6 not only kept up with the OP5 but beat it slightly, and the G6 had my Sim card in at the time, and the OP5 didnt. So what I am noticing is that in normal use the G6 has been great, and even slightly better than the OP5.
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OFFTOP: How OP5 and LG G6 screen compare? OP5's AMOLED is PenTile so not really fullHD. Is the G6 much sharper when displaying small text etc? I dunno which one to consider buying
About differences in battery -> remember G6 has older, more power hungry SOC. And it has to much more work thanks to bigger resolution. I would say difference is actually quite small having that in mind and LG did great job of optimising its software.
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Another thing I noticed is that overnight when both phones werent being used that the G6 had just slightly more battery in the morning. So Ill update my post above so people dont think Im just trashing the G6. After more testing, and normal use it seems to have excellent battery. So Im not sure why there was such a difference in the video playback tests. Anyway thanks for all the responses!
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The OP5 has an AMOLED display. The pixels in these displays actually create their own light. They consume no power when they are black, low power when dim, and quite a bit of power when displaying bright or white content.
LCD displays like the G6 use a backlight with a panel in front that blocks the light from getting to your eyes, creating an image. They have consistent power consumption that is completely determined by the backlight level, the image itself is irrelevant.
TV shows and movies tend to have pretty low white level, so AMOLED displays use very little power most of the time. Switch test to browsing where there are tons of white backgrounds and you would probably see the LG catch up or take the lead.
Edit: Also have to mention that the OP5 is using a pentile subpixel layout. This means that instead of each pixel being made of red green blue sub-pixels like the G6, it only displaying either a red green or a blue green for each pixel. So not only is the OP5 displaying less than half the pixels that the G6 is, it's only showing 2/3 of each pixel.
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This makes complete sense. Especially after my recent tests where I turned the brightness down on the G6 to match the OP5, and when I ran normal tests that I explained in my other posts. The G6 actually performed slightly better in normal use such as browsing, checking emails, etc.
Abnormally high screen on times are not uncommon in video playback tests while on WIFI. This is due to the lower brightness required (low average white level), lower processor utilization (due to hardware decoding), and no interaction with the screen (due to the processor not jumping to max frequency on screen touch).
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So, I had a situation where the first G4 i received was defective and I had another shipped, so for the weekend I had 2 G4's.
Considering all the back and forth I've read about the inconsistencies among phones, I decided to see if I could find any. The most glaring difference was between the screens on both. One had a cooler bias, while the other had a noticeable yellow tint. I much prefer the cooler bias screen. Second, I tested both phones for lag, stutter, missed touches, etc and couldn't find any difference between the two - both were basically flawless. Last was the most interesting though - battery run down. I ran 4 battery rundowns, switching the batteries back and forth so no consecutive test was run with the same battery. Both phones were charged with the stock charger (which BTW is definitely faster than a standard charger)
Tests were run in airplane mode, wifi ON, auto sync off, with a 1 hour YouTube Video on loop...
Rather than bore you with details, I'll leave you with a general summary...
-1 of the batteries continually got to 85% while the other was at 89% - this happened all 4 times.
-The battery which got to 85% first, took longer to 50% - enough so that it moved past the other battery which was between 47-49% at this point, and both batteries basically drained at the same rate for the rest of the time, and the battery with the faster initial discharge rate outlasted the other by approx 20 minutes each time.
-Each battery was tested at Auto, 50%, 25% and (using Lux) -10%, and here is what I found most interesting.... None of the brightness levels seemed to have any effect on battery life. That is, each phone, with each battery, drained at the same rate whether it was at 50% brightness, or at -10% brightness. The longest SOT I achieved was 7hrs 58min; again that's with all but WiFi off, looping the same 1hr YouTube video.
I'm guessing that's what LG means when they say the processor/GPU combo is "optimized" for this phone?? Now, I don't know if the same will hold true for 100% brightness levels, but the real world situation for 100% brightness is not really practical. I tested it on brightness levels I feel my phone would be at most of the time, then added the -10% as an experiment to see how much time it would add.
Hi,
I recently bought the Moto X Pure Edition. Overall I am very pleased with it however there is one thing that constantly bugs me. The battery life is absolutely terrible. I'd seen no mention of this before I bought the device but having bought it, I'm realizing how terrible it is. I only get around 2-2.5 hours of screen on time. This is even worse than the moto g 2014 I owned before which i could easily get 3 hours with. Are other people having similar experiences and are there any potential solutions?
Also, can you guys suggest some custom ROMs for me with great battery life and very stable? Thanks!
Try TruPureXMM, it has the best battery life among other roms, AFAIK. Well, that's because it is based on stock. Try it out for yourself.
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Am on stock and battery life is terrible. Can hardly end with 3h max with a full charge. And am one of those that stops most of the moto actions, low brightness, no wi-fi all time etc but still its worst battery life I've seen on a mobile. I think it has to do with the big screen it has!
xxhunterxx11 said:
Try TruPureXMM, it has the best battery life among other roms, AFAIK. Well, that's because it is based on stock. Try it out for yourself.
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What changes does it have from stock?
BruceWayne54 said:
What changes does it have from stock?
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It is debloated (forgot the others lol). Check the thread to see all the information you need.
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check out frankenkernel. I get 5Hrs of SoT
I have a brand-new XT 1572 (on stock) and would not call its battery life terrible. I'm getting 5 hours continuous SoT on WiFi (not sure people are using the term "SoT" consistently - if the phone is on for 24 hours, I'd expect to get less than 5 hours SoT; same when I'm on a 4G connection, particularly a bad one). Not great, but acceptable (and not unexpected in light of XT 157x reviews).
I have a shortcut to Settings - battery on my home screen which I check frequently (while I'm in the process of getting familiar with the phone), I have OS Monitor on my home screen, and I occasionally check "running services" under "Developer Options". I use Nova Launcher which makes it very easy to force-stop an app just by long-tapping it, hitting "App info" and then stopping it.
All of this has caused me to uninstall a few power-hogging apps which I probably did not need in the first place; I also find I need to occasionally force-stop apps such as Neutron.
In an average day, from 6am-10pm of mixed WiFi/LTE usage I get about 3 hours total screen on time, and the majority of the time I have good-excellect signal strength... If I have average to poor signal strength, 2-2.5 hours SOT is normal. On WiFi with continuous usage I get 4+ hours. This is normal.
Sorry, but the battery life of this phone, especially if used in bright light or outdoors, is just not good. The display is gorgeous, but it is an unbelievable battery hog.
I have tried many ROMs and all have worse batter then stock... TruPureXMM is debloated stock but the battery life isn't much different because it's the screen that takes 80-90% of the power, no rom can change that.
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In an average day, from 6am-10pm of mixed WiFi/LTE usage I get about 3 hours total screen on time, and the majority of the time I have good-excellect signal strength... If I have average to poor signal strength, 2-2.5 hours SOT is normal. On WiFi with continuous usage I get 4+ hours. This is normal.
Sorry, but the battery life of this phone, especially if used in bright light or outdoors, is just not good. The display is gorgeous, but it is an unbelievable battery hog.
I have tried many ROMs and all have worse batter then stock... TruPureXMM is debloated stock but the battery life isn't much different because it's the screen that takes 80-90% of the power, no rom can change that.
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I don't disagree with you - I call it "acceptable", you call it "just not good". I'd stop (far) short of calling it "terrible, terrible" though - and let's face it, this is why the device sells at the price point it does - which, to me, right now, is (a) close to the limit of what I'm prepared to pay for a smartphone and (b) great value for money. I'd rather be close to a charger or battery pack (in fact, I ordered a slim battery pack when I ordered the phone) with this phone at all times than owning a different phone (in this price range) with better battery life but other challenges/compromises I need to take. This devices's predecessor (for me) was the LG G3 - same thing, except that this device actually works.
acejavelin said:
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I have tried many ROMs and all have worse batter then stock... TruPureXMM is debloated stock but the battery life isn't much different because it's the screen that takes 80-90% of the power, no rom can change that.
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I completely agree with the above. Thats main reason I havent used a custom Rom yet and still waiting for Stock 7 realease (hopefully we see it within the next 2 months) before trying a custom rom yet.
But i wanted to ask a question about the screen taking all that ℅ in the battery drain:
I remember i read somewhere in another thread an option that changes the screen resolution to FHD 1080 instead of QHD. You think that really makes the screen battery drain lighter or it doesnt matter !?
phony_user said:
I don't disagree with you - I call it "acceptable", you call it "just not good". I'd stop (far) short of calling it "terrible, terrible" though - and let's face it, this is why the device sells at the price point it does - which, to me, right now, is (a) close to the limit of what I'm prepared to pay for a smartphone and (b) great value for money. I'd rather be close to a charger or battery pack (in fact, I ordered a slim battery pack when I ordered the phone) with this phone at all times than owning a different phone (in this price range) with better battery life but other challenges/compromises I need to take. This devices's predecessor (for me) was the LG G3 - same thing, except that this device actually works.
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My prior phones were an LG G2 and an LG G4 and I was thinking that my 6 month old 2015 MXPE had good battery life. I'm not sure I have ever had a phone that lasted all day. I need to stop buying sub par phones I guess. My Pixel XL (once it gets here) will hopefully fix that.
This is from stock 6.0 - May 2016 Patches - using it on Verizon network
From GSam Battery Monitor, since August 15, 2016:
Averages Per Complete Charge -
Battery Life: 1d 5.3h (8h 29m Active)
Screen On: 3h 56m (5h 11m Max)
I pretty much just charge my phone for 45 - 50 minutes a day at work and do not leave it on the charger any longer than it has to be.
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I completely agree with the above. Thats main reason I havent used a custom Rom yet and still waiting for Stock 7 realease (hopefully we see it within the next 2 months) before trying a custom rom yet.
But i wanted to ask a question about the screen taking all that ℅ in the battery drain:
I remember i read somewhere in another thread an option that changes the screen resolution to FHD 1080 instead of QHD. You think that really makes the screen battery drain lighter or it doesnt matter !?
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If you read thread I believe that only worked on Lollipop... People who did it on Marshmallow claimed it made no difference.
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If you read thread I believe that only worked on Lollipop... People who did it on Marshmallow claimed it made no difference.
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Yea, I was trying that method on Marshmallow. No positive changes on battery life, but got negative impact on Moto Display, it was to ugly for me to use.
phony_user said:
I don't disagree with you - I call it "acceptable", you call it "just not good". I'd stop (far) short of calling it "terrible, terrible" though - and let's face it, this is why the device sells at the price point it does - which, to me, right now, is (a) close to the limit of what I'm prepared to pay for a smartphone and (b) great value for money. I'd rather be close to a charger or battery pack (in fact, I ordered a slim battery pack when I ordered the phone) with this phone at all times than owning a different phone (in this price range) with better battery life but other challenges/compromises I need to take. This devices's predecessor (for me) was the LG G3 - same thing, except that this device actually works.
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Eh, to each there own... My previous phone was a Moto G 2015, it easily got 5 hours SOT in a day with battery to spare, so to me the battery life on the X is poor, but not terrible... I also carry mini power stick for charging on the go, and a QC adapter.
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In an average day, from 6am-10pm of mixed WiFi/LTE usage I get about 3 hours total screen on time, and the majority of the time I have good-excellect signal strength... If I have average to poor signal strength, 2-2.5 hours SOT is normal. On WiFi with continuous usage I get 4+ hours. This is normal.
Sorry, but the battery life of this phone, especially if used in bright light or outdoors, is just not good. The display is gorgeous, but it is an unbelievable battery hog.
I have tried many ROMs and all have worse batter then stock... TruPureXMM is debloated stock but the battery life isn't much different because it's the screen that takes 80-90% of the power, no rom can change that.
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How about frankenclark with ghostpepper?
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How about frankenclark with ghostpepper?
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What about it? Kernels, roms, etc, can't do anything about how much power the display uses, it's like trying to make a 100w light bulb use 40 watts... they can only effect other things like SOC, syncing, etc.
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What about it? Kernels, roms, etc, can't do anything about how much power the display uses, it's like trying to make a 100w light bulb use 40 watts... they can only effect other things like SOC, syncing, etc.
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I agree here. A 5.7" screen will require more power just to light up. As far as changing resolution, you are still powering a 5.7" display. You might notice some slight difference in battery (and maybe fps) when playing games, but it is really related to going a little easier on the chips.
I'm still on true pure, not even the most recent build, and I could always get a day and a half of battery use, or at least a full day with moderate use.
Hey folks, just wanted to chime in on this. I had the phone since it's release and got around 5 to 6 hours of SoT with WiFi, GPS enabled (but not while using maps lol) and brightness set to about 50%. Battery life has gotten worse with each update and now I am waiting for Android 7 and I will reset my phone after it's installed.
Btw I disable any build in app that I don't use and uninstall apps that use to much battery in the background.
Am on Telsa 03/02 Build. And the battery life is as good as Stock. 3hrs SOT on LTE with Data ON the whole time and 4hrs SOT on WiFi. All the while keeping GPS ON High Accuracy and Ambient display.
No Greenify or any other battery booster.
The performance is better than Stock and all the features working near perfectly. It's a good choice, you get to use Nougat without really compromising the battery much.
Here is the post: https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...ms-validus-t3561477/post71196401#post71196401
Also I have recently changed the resolution to 1080p. It doesn't increase battery life much but definitely boosts the performance.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...ing-screen-t3190234/post71194289#post71194289
All I can say is, despite the battery life being poor, you have TurboPower charger which definitely saves the day. The phone charges from 10% to 100% within half n hour.
It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the Moto X4 before depleting the battery.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I'm getting 6+ hours and true all day use, easily.
Easily the best SOT of any device I have owned... Over 6 hours yesterday and was at 45% when I plugged in for the night. I don't believe I will need to charge this thing at all other than overnight. Amazing!
Crap I'm getting 4 hours at a stretch.
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Easily the best SOT of any device I have owned... Over 6 hours yesterday and was at 45% when I plugged in for the night. I don't believe I will need to charge this thing at all other than overnight. Amazing!
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The X4 has a bad cell reception. On wifi i get 7-8 hours but in mobile data only 4h maximum
I was off WiFi yesterday traveling and still had nearly 7 hours SOT by 10pm and 12% battery left. I live in rural Wyoming.
I'm at 3.5 hours SOT, and I'm still at 43%. A good bit of that was relatively intensive. I had GMaps download 3 offline maps covering 5 states, Play Music downloaded ~3GB of music for offline. I logged in and set up a bunch of apps (social media, etc), and played Clash Royale for ~1.5 hours.
AccuBattery says I'm averaging 11.2%/hour Screen On, and 0.7%/hour Screen Off.
Clash Royale is ~13-14%/hour, where both my old Nesux 5x and Nexus 7 (2013) were ~25-30%/hour.
I am extremely impressed with the battery life on this. I can't wait to get a kernel with hotplug and root with Greenify to see if I can't get it down even more.
Update: Over a 36 hour period, I got 5.5 hours SOT, and plugged it in with 12% left. That includes running benchmarks, playing games, and all the stuff I mentioned in the previous post. I'm guessing I could get 7-8hours in a day of continuous light usage, and probably an average of 6 hours SOT with a generous mix of gaming and youtube thrown in.
Overall, I'm VERY happy with the battery life.
Had 4:40hr sot at 51% battery
That's Nobody said:
I was off WiFi yesterday traveling and still had nearly 7 hours SOT by 10pm and 12% battery left. I live in rural Wyoming.
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What service provider, Verizon or AT&T? I live in Wyoming too.
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Can anyone help me with this question? I read that an LED screen will consume slightly less power the "whiter" it is, unlike AMOLED. So I've been changing all of my wallpapers, backgrounds, etc. to white/light to help the battery life. Could someone add to this with some facts?
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Can anyone help me with this question? I read that an LED screen will consume slightly less power the "whiter" it is, unlike AMOLED. So I've been changing all of my wallpapers, backgrounds, etc. to white/light to help the battery life. Could someone add to this with some facts?
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That is false. OLED or AMOLED screens are made up of thousands (millions) of tiny LEDs, so black backgrounds save power by simply turning off a portion of the screen when it wants to show black. This is why you get battery saving.
The screen on the Moto X4 is a LED-backlit LTPS IPS LCD. Because the backlight is separate from the LCD itself, and the IPS LCD is an active matrix, there's no way to reduce the power consumption simply by changing the color. The IPS LCD has to use power to change the color no matter what it is, so it's kind of irrelevant. The only change that can (and WILL) make a difference on your battery life is brightness of said backlight. This is why everyone knows to lower your brightness to save power.
If there was a way to segment out the LED backlight into a per-pixel basis, then you could obtain the same battery saving features as an AMOLED screen, but at that point you're basically building 1/3 of an AMOLED screen anyways, so why not just build the whole thing?
An interesting side note, because these phones are using LTPS technology, the LCD itself does use less power than older phones, even at the same resolution. It's still dwarfed by the consumption of the backlight, but power saving is power saving, amiright?
wow, this sd630 is awesome! getting 6+ hours with some heavy wifi downloading, installing apps, making a hotspot, streaming music, watching videos, etc.. why did i ever want a flagship?? my old op3 couldn't get close even underclocked and with a black substratum theme lol
battery life is crazy on this phone. what did lenovo/moto do?
i can use it for social media and some gaming and I'm always on 4g and theres days when I dont charge it at all. loving it.
I got 6+ hrs SOT on 1st day let's see how it's perform in next few days
I am getting 8 hours SOT with moderate usage. However I am using data over WiFi only and no gaming.
battery life is great here as well.
even with 2.4ghz wifi (being at reasonable distance from the router),
browsing on screen time with speakers playing music but not on loudest,
i seem to be able to hit 10hours easily.
best phone battery i've had. (compared with Samsung SII plus & Moto g3rd
(I don't play games on my phone tho so i can't comment on that)
i'm a heavy user but only play Marvel contest of champions on my phone sometimes. Mostly i play youtube videos on loudspeaker with maximum volume, check facebook, twitter, chat on whatsapp etc. And i'm still getting nearly 6 hours of screen on time!
I don't track my SOT but definitely impressed with the X4. I normally charge my phone (and remove the charger) before going to bed (12mn) and until now (it's 2pm here), I still have 60% battery left.
I don't play games but I frequently use my phone for social and media consumption.
I'm not worried that my phone won't last til I go home (~10pm).
With my previous phone (HTC 10/ Huawei P10), the battery percentage may be around 40% by now.
Mine on first charging...
It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the Moto G6 before depleting the battery.
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Second day of use with the g6 I got around 8 hours of SoT before the battery saver kicked in. My first day I got 7 hours SoT (I was also rebooting the phone a bit getting tweaks to work) I can't speak for the remaining 2 hours it claims, but I will say the battery life prediction was accurate all day. Early morning it was estimating 10hrs of life left, and that is pretty consistent.
I kept my usage pretty typical of how I use my phone on a day to day. My usage was a mix of listening to music (on device and casting), streaming video, texts, snapchat, web browsing, and a little PokémonGo. The one thing to note is that this was on wifi the whole day, YMMV if you're on cell signal.
Overall I'm simply blown away by how much performance this slim phone has. I came from the Moto X Pure (XT1575) which would get 3 hours SoT on a good day. I was only expecting maybe 4-5 hours from the g6, but to get 3x what my old phone had is life changing.
I've only had this phone for a bit over 24 hours, and I'm impressed with overall battery performance.
I've got no Wi-Fi connection at home, so I was expecting worse, but I got 4 hours of SOT today from 100% to 6%, and I'm perfectly happy with that. This is after 2 hours of streaming from YouTube, and the rest dedicated to social media, downloading apps, a little bit of gaming, and general internet browsing (on full brightness the entire time). It's way better than any other phone I've owned. My Axon 7 Mini would've been on its death bed hours earlier.
I think it's absolutely amazing the battery life this device has! Almost 7 hours of screen on the and 16.5 since last charge is just insane. My Nexus 6P would quit after about 3 hours of screen time.
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Second day of use with the g6 I got around 8 hours of SoT before the battery saver kicked in. My first day I got 7 hours SoT (I was also rebooting the phone a bit getting tweaks to work) I can't speak for the remaining 2 hours it claims, but I will say the battery life prediction was accurate all day. Early morning it was estimating 10hrs of life left, and that is pretty consistent.
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Are you sure you're on a G6 and not a G6 Play? I see 8, maybe 9 hours OST on my 4000 mah G6 play. Im highly doubtful of a regular 8 hr OST with a 3,000mah battery. Can you post any more OST of this nature and also what "tweaks" you've done. Im sure people would like to know how you doubled OST of this phone.
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Are you sure you're on a G6 and not a G6 Play? I see 8, maybe 9 hours OST on my 4000 mah G6 play. Im highly doubtful of a regular 8 hr OST with a 3,000mah battery. Can you post any more OST of this nature and also what "tweaks" you've done. Im sure people would like to know how you doubled OST of this phone.
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I am certain I am on the regular G6. The reason why the G6 can match SoT with the G6 Play while having a smaller battery is because the Snapdragon 450 is just that much more power efficient over the 430. Qualcomm claims the 450 is 30% more efficient over the 435 (I couldn't find any data on it vs the 430, but we can assume it is at least 30%). This explains how regular gets around the same SoT with 25% less battery capacity.
As far as tweaks, the only power saving measure I use is the app Naptime. It uses the aggressive doze feature in Oreo to save battery life when the screen is off. This has saved me countless times when I forget to plug in my phone at night, or if the power goes out while I'm asleep. I haven't tested it too extensively, but it seems to bring the screen off drain to ~1% per hour.
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I am certain I am on the regular G6. The reason why the G6 can match SoT with the the G6 Play while having a smaller battery is that the Snapdragon 450 is just that much more power efficient over the 430. Qualcomm claims the 450 is 30% more efficient over the 435 (I couldn't find any data on it vs the 430, but we can assume it is at least 30%). This explains how regular gets around the same SoT with 25% less battery capacity.
As far as tweaks, the only power saving measure I use is the app Naptime. It uses the aggressive doze feature in Oreo to save battery life when the screen is off. This has saved me countless times when I forget to plug in my phone at night, or if the power goes out while I'm asleep. I haven't tested it too extensively, but it seems to bring the screen off drain to ~1% per hour.
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Impressive! Yes I love naptime, excellent app. I get about 2 days, with 8-9 hours OST. Wife gets 7-8 but it lasts over 3 days, light use. Thanks for the reply!
Well, I've achieved 10 hours and 5 minutes of 'Screen on Time' here, five days after buying the G6, and after installing my usual complement of around 160 apps and then configured everything accordingly. I then just used the phone the way I normally use my phone. The device actually ran for 14 hours between charges, with 10 hours being Screen Time.
(See the composite screenshots below, taken from my G6 battery stats screens and also from the AccuBattery Pro app.)
I didn't do anything unusual to achieve this impressive SoT figure. The screen brightness was low, but not unusually so. Most of the time, I was browsing via Chrome and I checked my emails several times and watched an hour or two of YouTube. I used the official Wikipedia app quite a lot and played a few rounds of chess with the DroidFish chess app in conjunction with the Komodo 11 chess engine, which I suppose is a bit CPU intensive... All of which is the extent of my gaming, that and Sudoku. I generally don't bother with high octane, graphics intensive video games - they don't do my blood pressure any favours?.
This 10 hour figure though, I suspect may not be typical ~ since then, I've been achieving around 8 to 8.5 hours SoT, with the brightness level higher, and using Google Maps more. Still pretty impressive for a 3000 mAh battery.
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I bought the Moto G6 to replace my HTC One M8 whose battery, after nearly four years, was pretty much knackered! It kept crashing out when the battery dipped to around 70% charge - I had to re-flash it twice due to system corruption.
And so at just £220, I'm hugely impressed with the Moto G6 ~ it's a great replacement for my antiquated M8. It looks good, runs well and the battery performance is excellent. It might not be a Premium Flagship device, but I'm very, very happy with it.
Cheers, everybody?.
Ged.
Just upgraded from a G6 play to G6. Wow! Getting about 7 hours OST and really good standy by. If this phone came with the 4000 mAh battery, it would be a beast. Impressive what a more efficient processor can do!
It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the Samsung Galaxy M51 before depleting the battery.
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Getting 17hrs of screen on time minimum on full charge for youtube 3hrs , clash of clans 2hrs and 45-50 mins of calls per day....last 3 days with my usage
Plus Whatsapp of 1 hrs approx per day
gandeepan said:
Getting 17hrs of screen on time minimum on full charge for youtube 3hrs , clash of clans 2hrs and 45-50 mins of calls per day....last 3 days with my usage
Plus Whatsapp of 1 hrs approx per day
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I've had this phone 2 days and so far I've had 6 hours 31 minutes of screen time and I have 58 percent battery left. This is mostly YouTube, Web browsing, an hour of downloading apps from play store and a bit of emulation (ppsspp) am extremely impressed with the battery life on this phone.
Battery lasts more than 2 days at Medium Power Saving mode with moderate apps usage(no gaming but with youtube, magic fluid live wallpaper, whatsapp, browsing) and SOT approx 13+ hours in these two days. At the end of second day battery remains at 30-35%.
Has anybody here compared to the Moto G8 Power? Is the battery life even better?
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Has anybody here compared to the Moto G8 Power? Is the battery life even better?
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Exactly how do you think a cheap SD 665 11nm chip with a 5,000mAh battery will do against a higher tier SD 730g 8nm chip with a 7,000mAh battery?
Hmmmmm ?
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Exactly how do you think a cheap SD 665 11nm chip with a 5,000mAh battery will do against a higher tier SD 730g 8nm chip with a 7,000mAh battery?
Hmmmmm ?
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Could have answered like a normal person.
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Could have answered like a normal person.
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I did... Exactly how do you think they will compare?
@Devilmonkey27 No need for snark...
It was a genuine question, try to provide a genuine answer. Please reply properly or don't reply at all.
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@Devilmonkey27 No need for snark...
It was a genuine question, try to provide a genuine answer. Please reply properly or don't reply at all.
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So exactly how do you think a phone with half the specs will do?
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So exactly how do you think a phone with half the specs will do?
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You're missing the point. My post has nothing to do with that...
I'm simply asking, that if you have anything to add to a thread, please do so in a constructive manner without snark or attitude. It would have been very easy for you to convey your message without being rude or condescending.
If you've got more to discuss on this particular matter, please contact me through a private message (to keep the thread on topic).
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Exactly how do you think a cheap SD 665 11nm chip with a 5,000mAh battery will do against a higher tier SD 730g 8nm chip with a 7,000mAh battery?
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To come back on it, I have it since today and so far it's looking like the G8 Power has better or equal batterylife, standby drain is somehow bad on the M51, I checked all apps. Still I'll let the software settle and get through more cycles and check Gsam Battery Monitor in a couple of days again.
I honestly blame Samsung's other apps that aren't used and aren't able to be disabled or uninstalled.
Hi guys. I wanted to let you know my findings and provide some test results of galaxy m51 battery life. Firstly, I will outline what was my priority for that test. I wanted to check how long the phone can last mainly on google maps navigation with additional apps in the background. Also this test is a bit static so to speak but had no chance travelling for so many hours. That said I believe SOT was tested correctly for my planned usage. I guess in a real case scenario, I would need to do some more browsing and perhaps occasional screen switch offs during a break like filling up the fuel or stop to rest on a bicycle.
How I performed my test.
1. I did some initial installations, downloaded my apps and logged in to social apps such as FB, Spotify so they can work in the background, send notifications etc.
2. Once I completed the setup, I charged the very new phone to 100%. AccuBatter reported capacity was 6800mAh designed capacity not 7000mAh and estimated capacity 6700mAh.
3. CPU-Z reported Snapdragon 730 so I regret it is not 730G and honestly I do not know how to check with online stores as the packaging does not help with this. Also, I plan to test POCO F2 PRO 8gb ram/256gb version the same way and see how it goes since I get better hardware, but I like SD card slot on galaxy m51. Very useful when resetting the phone.
4. Set google maps navigation, lunched another app which uses GPS and LTE for maps showing speed cameras, road works or dangers which I use alongside with google maps. I also start shuffle play on Spotify to imitate streaming the music in my car or on the bike.
5. WiFi, LTE, GPS, Bluetooth, sync was enabled, blue light filter enabled.
6. Between 15-20 apps were in the background.
7. I unplugged the device from the mains.
8. Initial 15% discharge was with a WiFi connection with my router. Then switched of my router for overnight, left wifi enabled on Samsung but it had to continue downloading data over LTE such as Spotify music streaming. I also changed google map setting to day light only to avoid night backlight.
9. I went to bed? and in the morning there was still a lot of juice.
10. Around 20% discharge I took about 100 pictures most of them in burst mode to simulate a trip where you simply stop and take some snaps.
11. I stopped the test at 1% discharge and noticed no heating problem. The phone was cool during the test.
The overall SOT measured until 1% discharge was a staggering 17h 50m? Below you will find AccuBattery screenshots. At remaining 15% I had still over 2 h 42 m of use left.
This phone reminded me of good, old days of my Samsung galaxy s3 with a Zerolemon 7000mAh?
Now with my galaxy s7 deteriorating battery (current capacity just over 2300mAh) this is a great thing. For Galaxy s7 I also own a KiwiBird powerbank case of 5400mAh right from the beginning wich did its job when away from the mains, travelling etc.
I guess for a more accurate SOT, I would need to add some phone calls and browsing but even with I deduct 2h, it is still nearly 16 h of use. Like for me excellent. I also do not plan gaming.
On the downside of this phone it seems like my galaxy s7 takes a bit better picture, but it just might be my perception of selfies taken. Back camera is also just ok on a cloudy day. Ok but that is an offtopic.
I got my M51 yesterday and I am not fully sure yet about battery lifetime. I have charged it to 100% and about 8 hours and 2.5 hours secreen time later I am at about 90%.
Coming from my Moto Z Play I am not sure yet if I stay with the galaxy. The Mot Z Play with Incipio OffGrid Wireless Power Pack mod is about the same size and weight. Though provides less capacity (3300mAh phone + 2200mAh power mod) but battery lifetime still was bout 3-4 days usually.
The M51 is also getting considerably warmer during use.
I noticed also the Samsung battery saver with medium settings can reduce the CPU clock to max out at 70% which is handy. Not sure if there is any undervolting, underclocking tools as I think I would be perfectly fine with less performance - actually I was able to reach insane battery life on my old Galaxy P1000 with TricksterMod and custom undervolting back in the days.
I still believe better lifetime with the M51 would be possible bz reducing CPU clock and also with better screen brightness control. I noticed many times already that the M51 screen was too bright for me and having to reduce the slider to "minimum" position or very close to it. Also I noticed that the screen brightness slider is not linear at all. So on the last notch on the left side the screen really starts to dim properly while to the right there isn't much change. Also I like still to use automatic screen brightness adjustments but found the automatic adjustment often moves the brightness too high.
Also a possibility to limit the used screen area (e.g. display black bar on bottom/top) would save energy on the AMOLED screen while still providing more than enough screen space.
EDIT: One-Handed mode sort of provides this feature, but not exactly what I was looking for (like cinema-bars on top and bottom and no prominent "one-handed-mode" title.
I will continue to use the M51 for a couple of charges and decide if I am going to trade it again. The phone itself is performing well, supporting VoLTE WiFi calling but seems to lack carrier aggregation for no apparent reason. I strongly dislike the slippery, fingerprint-attracting, cheap-looking plastic backside of it.
I also hate that everywhere you tap it tries to sign up to a Samsung account. Also replaced the launcher with Nova launcher.
Below is the answer to almost all above useless posts
Battery life tests - GSMArena.com
Why I say useless ?
Simply. SOT will be completely different when you read ebooks compared when you watch movies or browse Internet.
Gsmarena does standarised comparison
I am fan of long life battery phones. I used "king" Lenovo P2 for over 2 years. M51 is better.
I'm at the fourth cycle of charge.. and got 15 hrs so far.. have done a heavy idb debloating
maby it will increase over more charging cycles?
i m getting about 20h sot normal usage
facebook lite, browser , youtube , aliexpress and playing alphalt extreme 30 min
wifi and dark mode on
brightness between 10-40 %
data off
location off
this phone have a very good battery