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Well y'all, it's been a long run with LG but I am jumping ship to the OnePlus One. I have no animosity, but just feel it is time for a change. I have used LG since the Optimus G (great phone, not so great battery), all the way up to the Optimus G Pro, the G2, the G Flex, and now the G3. I received an invite to get the OnePlus, and decided to go for it.
I'd like to thank all of the great developers working on the phone, especially @jcase, @autoprime, @thecubed, and the many others that tirelessly worked at getting root, and a bootloader bypass to this device. I am glad I got to be a part of this phones development journey from the start (first phone I bought on launch day). I am selling my G3 (on Swappa currently for 355. If you tell me you're from XDA, I'll cut you a deal), but I will be active here providing answers to questions I can! Thank you all again!
You just made my eyes teary...
Farewell brother !!
Hope that OnePlus One brings you more happines !!
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Well y'all, it's been a long run with LG but I am jumping ship to the OnePlus One. I have no animosity, but just feel it is time for a change. I have used LG since the Optimus G (great phone, not so great battery), all the way up to the Optimus G Pro, the G2, the G Flex, and now the G3. I received an invite to get the OnePlus, and decided to go for it.
I'd like to thank all of the great developers working on the phone, especially @jcase, @autoprime, @thecubed, and the many others that tirelessly worked at getting root, and a bootloader bypass to this device. I am glad I got to be a part of this phones development journey from the start (first phone I bought on launch day). I am selling my G3 (on Swappa currently for 355. If you tell me you're from XDA, I'll cut you a deal), but I will be active here providing answers to questions I can! Thank you all again!
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Appreciate the kind words.. and sorry to see you go. OPO is a great phone too though.. enjoy it
This is a farewell I actually like. Thanks for loving lg! But I agree, time for a chance
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I received an invite to get the OnePlus, and decided to go for it.
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It's OK, but can you post pros and cons of OPO compared to G3? Is OPO that much better overall, or you miss something of G3? Is OPO camera the same or better quality?
Not to start a flame wars but to get truly and unbiased comparison from one who have owned both devices
I had both for about three weeks and out of the box i preferred The OPO. Over The course of three weeks I started missing The G3 for certain things. Wireless charging, smaller footprint, sd card, having an extra battery for my Orlando days, the list goes on and on. The battery life of The OPO was badass, but some things didn't feel refined enough though. The OPO went to my brother in the end. If there was anything i miss more than anything about The OPO, it would be that sandstone back it had. It felt pretty amazing.
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I'm keeping both devices. OnePlus One deal breaker... battery not removable, No expandable memory card slot. LG G3 deal breaker... locked bootloader. Can't get the best of both world eh?
Indeed a nice farewell. All the best with OPO.
Bye ,don't let the door hit you in the ... I'm joking ... :thumbup:
2SHAYNEZ
i have both and everytime i look at the two screens side by side i go nuts and throw away the OPO
Funny, I did the opposite. Sold my 1p1 and bought the G3.
hierarchy666 said:
I'm keeping both devices. OnePlus One deal breaker... battery not removable, No expandable memory card slot. LG G3 deal breaker... locked bootloader. Can't get the best of both world eh?
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Locked bootloader? [emoji780]
Sent from my Stump'd & Bump'd Sprint LG G3
hierarchy666 said:
I'm keeping both devices. OnePlus One deal breaker... battery not removable, No expandable memory card slot. LG G3 deal breaker... locked bootloader. Can't get the best of both world eh?
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Note 4?
hierarchy666 said:
I'm keeping both devices. OnePlus One deal breaker... battery not removable, No expandable memory card slot. LG G3 deal breaker... locked bootloader. Can't get the best of both world eh?
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Have you been living under a rock or are you just complaining that the bump website hasn't been put up that will allow developers to bump their ROMS and Kernels for use on the G3? If you haven't heard about bump, then a little reading is in your future, but the short story is that we now have the ability to flash whatever we want using the G3 bootloader via a method called "bump."
And here it starts it seems every one is leaving the g3 crap.
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And here it starts it seems every one is leaving the g3 crap.
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Not really, but thats a nice generalization to make just from one thread.
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Not really, but thats a nice generalization to make just from one thread.
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Its just not off one thread there are tons of people switching to other phones and a few devs. So yes i guess you know every thing i was reading and I guess I cant have my own opinion or state any thing on xda any more with a remark. All i was stating that is sucks devs and some user are switching.
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Have you been living under a rock or are you just complaining that the bump website hasn't been put up that will allow developers to bump their ROMS and Kernels for use on the G3? If you haven't heard about bump, then a little reading is in your future, but the short story is that we now have the ability to flash whatever we want using the G3 bootloader via a method called "bump."
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I said im keeping both devices. I'm just laying out the differences in both devices i own which is a "FACT". For LG G3 our bootloader is locked. XDA devs did a amazing job in bypassing it. On the LG(Company) part they are not going to do anything to unlock our bootloader officially. I do know the method called "bump" by the way.
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Note 4?
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Nah, im not going to mess around with a device that comes with a KNOX in it.
TheAfroGuy said:
Well y'all, it's been a long run with LG but I am jumping ship to the OnePlus One. I have no animosity, but just feel it is time for a change. I have used LG since the Optimus G (great phone, not so great battery), all the way up to the Optimus G Pro, the G2, the G Flex, and now the G3. I received an invite to get the OnePlus, and decided to go for it.
I'd like to thank all of the great developers working on the phone, especially @jcase, @autoprime, @thecubed, and the many others that tirelessly worked at getting root, and a bootloader bypass to this device. I am glad I got to be a part of this phones development journey from the start (first phone I bought on launch day). I am selling my G3 (on Swappa currently for 355. If you tell me you're from XDA, I'll cut you a deal), but I will be active here providing answers to questions I can! Thank you all again!
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You know, I like my G3, but I got a OnePlus for my sweetie, and I really like it simplicity.. so I got one for myself to play with. Still using the G3 as my DD. I'm on the fence about switching, as they both have some interesting features. If I could 1080 the screen and all apps work/present well, I'd stay G3. The 4K is awesome, though.
Good luck.
Wow, that's a strong move. Although G3 is pretty much locked, 1p1 is too rough.. overall rubbish.
I'd suggest keeping both and then deciding if that's what you want.
But it's been a month now, eh.. guess it's too late
So...today I sent a mail to LG Dev seeing one other person here, and this is what they replied. I have posted the screenshot. WTF??? What do they mean by previous devices??? This device isn't even 3 months old Goddamn... very mad with LG. Regrets to leave HTC. And BTW where is written which one is newer & which one is older? How are we supposed to know that?? This is cheating....
Not cheating friend. They never promised to unlock your phone when you bought it. Believe me, I know it sucks...I'm right there with you waiting for an unlock myself. This doesn't surprise me one bit, honestly. I'm willing to bet that none of the LG phones sold by carriers will be unlocked by LG in the future either.
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So...today I sent a mail to LG Dev seeing one other person here, and this is what they replied. I have posted the screenshot. WTF??? What do they mean by previous devices??? This device isn't even 3 months old Goddamn... very mad with LG. Regrets to leave HTC. And BTW where is written which one is newer & which one is older? How are we supposed to know that?? This is cheating....
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Yea I've already told everyone this 3 weeks ago.
I need to decide if I want to buy the G4 in exactly a month from now.
If it won't be unlocked until then, I would sadly wait for the Note 5.
Well that'll pretty much cement my decision to go back to HTC. I don't hate this phone, honestly. It's pretty good and I've had no real issues with it. But (and I'm not interested in arguing WHY I want BL unlock and root. I just do. It's my phone) if there isn't mfg support for the unlock, screw 'em.
Came to the G4 because the M9 camera sucked. I suspect HTC will fix that in their next release at which point I'll go back to a phone that I can unlock and root within 15 minutes of opening the box. Nothing against the G4 itself. It's a solid phone. But I won't be locked down, and while I respect the devs working on this and the work they do, I don't have the patience to wait long term for each LG phone I get. Thought I'd maybe move away from HTC entirely, but...guess not. Oh well.
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Well that'll pretty much cement my decision to go back to HTC. I don't hate this phone, honestly. It's pretty good and I've had no real issues with it. But (and I'm not interested in arguing WHY I want BL unlock and root. I just do. It's my phone) if there isn't mfg support for the unlock, screw 'em.
Came to the G4 because the M9 camera sucked. I suspect HTC will fix that in their next release at which point I'll go back to a phone that I can unlock and root within 15 minutes of opening the box. Nothing against the G4 itself. It's a solid phone. But I won't be locked down, and while I respect the devs working on this and the work they do, I don't have the patience to wait long term for each LG phone I get. Thought I'd maybe move away from HTC entirely, but...guess not. Oh well.
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I ALMOST got the M9...just couldn't get past the camera deficiency it has. It's not even a good camera by 2014 standards...and doesn't come close to the best of 2015. I'm willing to even say it isn't as good as the M8's (and possibly even M8. Problem with it is that this year's camera lacks both OIS (which M7 had) and the second camera for depth or imaging chip (which M8 had), leaving it with just a huge MP count and no hardware help to assist the sensor. Sure, software can do some adjustment, but it'll never be like having the actual proper hardware for the job. So while they will likely update the camera...many times, it is still limited by it's unfortunate lack of hardware assistance and isn't likely to ever match any of the other 2015 devices. Best hope from HTC is the "Hero device" they're talking about for this fall.
Either way, I'm gonna stick with LG till next year's flagship round comes out. Sure it sucks to wait for unlock and root, but I'd rather have the top end camera hardware. I use my phone as my primary camera, so I'd rather have bootloader issues than camera deficiency.
Th3Bill said:
I ALMOST got the M9...just couldn't get past the camera deficiency it has. It's not even a good camera by 2014 standards...and doesn't come close to the best of 2015. I'm willing to even say it isn't as good as the M8's (and possibly even M8. Problem with it is that this year's camera lacks both OIS (which M7 had) and the second camera for depth or imaging chip (which M8 had), leaving it with just a huge MP count and no hardware help to assist the sensor. Sure, software can do some adjustment, but it'll never be like having the actual proper hardware for the job. So while they will likely update the camera...many times, it is still limited by it's unfortunate lack of hardware assistance and isn't likely to ever match any of the other 2015 devices. Best hope from HTC is the "Hero device" they're talking about for this fall.
Either way, I'm gonna stick with LG till next year's flagship round comes out. Sure it sucks to wait for unlock and root, but I'd rather have the top end camera hardware. I use my phone as my primary camera, so I'd rather have bootloader issues than camera deficiency.
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Same here, my phone is my primary camera, especially for vacations. And for the record my wife still has her m8 and my son the m7 and you're correct, BOTH of them take better pictures than the M9 does. We'll see about that hero device. I'm up for another JUMP upgrade in November (I'm grandfathered on the twice a year upgrade plan) so it's possible I could jump ship around then. Just have to see. Absolute worst case I pay this thing off and buy something outright. Dunno yet.
Back on topic though (sorry 'bout that ), my main issue is one of patience. It's probably my fatal flaw...as I said I KNOW it takes time to find and package (for money or free) a stable root exploit. Even longer to find a bootloader unlock exploit usually. This isn't the devs fault by any stretch. I'm just used to being able to quickly unlock and root my device...it's been a REAL long time since I've had to wait for root and finding that LG isn't planning to support an unlock is majorly disappointing to me.
I don't know why anyone would buy a carrier phone, and expect a factory unlock. That's what we have XDA for. Anyway, since we know the phone can be rooted, I'm hopeful that we will see a bootloader unlock, or work around as well. The phone hasn't been out that long, so you just have to have a little patience.
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I don't know why anyone would buy a carrier phone, and expect a factory unlock. That's what we have XDA for. Anyway, since we know the phone can be rooted, I'm hopeful that we will see a bootloader unlock, or work around as well. The phone hasn't been out that long, so you just have to have a little patience.
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'Expect' no. 'Hope' yes. Plus remember I'm coming from HTC where they're unlockable out of the box. Didn't occur to me that LG would flatly refuse to do it. My own fault, but what can you do?
Don't blame LG but your stupid USA cell providers. Which pay a lot of money to let you enjoy their spam.
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Don't blame LG but your stupid USA cell providers. Which pay a lot of money to let you enjoy their spam.
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Well typically I'd agree with you, however this one's LG's decision. TMO doesn't have any issues with unlocked bootloaders. If it was Verizon or AT&T I might agree with you.
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'Expect' no. 'Hope' yes. Plus remember I'm coming from HTC where they're unlockable out of the box. Didn't occur to me that LG would flatly refuse to do it. My own fault, but what can you do?
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Ugh, HTC. I agree with you about their cameras. I started out with the M8 last year, but that camera sucked hard. My wife already had the G3, and when I saw that the devs were confident about rooting/unlocking, I got rid of the M8, bought a G3, and rode it out until it came to fruition.
Is there anyone here who work with LG? I need them to 'deliver' a message..
Here's the thing.. I started with LG G3.. it was a great device and I really love it.. specially the camera.. very nice quality.. and I absolutely loove the root on this thing.. I can switch ROM that I like and add other customization with root ability of course (xposed, adblock, etc..)
And there's the new LG G4.. basicaly an upgrade to LG G3 wich I found very significant upgrade from previous device, LG G3.. without hesitation I upgrade it right away (seeing my lovely expericence with LG G3 before).. But here's the thing.. altough is a wonderful device, I'm very.. very.. very.. very dissapointed they not releasing the root for my device (H818P).. If I known this sooner, I will NOT buy LG G4 and stick to my LG G3..
Soo my 'message' to LG is very clear.. release the unlock, or this is my LAST experience with their phone.. PERIOD.. I heard they are now preparing the LG G4 Pro next year.. well, if they still not releasing the unlock for LG G4, they can forget about it.. well at least from me.. I'm soo done with LG
Think you all have to be patient. There will be a developer who will get it unlocked.
At least I guess. Has there ever been a phone not unlocked?
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Think you all have to be patient. There will be a developer who will get it unlocked.
At least I guess. Has there ever been a phone not unlocked?
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Yep. Motorola had a couple, and I believe the G2 (I could be wrong on that one though).
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Same here, my phone is my primary camera, especially for vacations. And for the record my wife still has her m8 and my son the m7 and you're correct, BOTH of them take better pictures than the M9 does. We'll see about that hero device. I'm up for another JUMP upgrade in November (I'm grandfathered on the twice a year upgrade plan) so it's possible I could jump ship around then. Just have to see. Absolute worst case I pay this thing off and buy something outright. Dunno yet.
Back on topic though (sorry 'bout that ), my main issue is one of patience. It's probably my fatal flaw...as I said I KNOW it takes time to find and package (for money or free) a stable root exploit. Even longer to find a bootloader unlock exploit usually. This isn't the devs fault by any stretch. I'm just used to being able to quickly unlock and root my device...it's been a REAL long time since I've had to wait for root and finding that LG isn't planning to support an unlock is majorly disappointing to me.
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I had both, so I was willing to stake my bet that both took better pics (though admittedly I've never had the M9).
I'm right there with ya on waiting sucks.....probably why I've never bought a device this early in it's "life". I usually get it after it's been out for a few months and has at least root.. I was in the unfortunate situation of my Note 4 becoming so unstable on 5.0 that it was hardly functional....would have to reboot 3-5 times a day average. Got the G4 because I couldn't take the idea of having an apple-looking device in my hand LOL
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Yep. Motorola had a couple, and I believe the G2 (I could be wrong on that one though).
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Hopefully it's not the case. Normally I was already on a custom rom.
No unlocked bootloader means less development on custom roms
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Soo my 'message' to LG is very clear.. release the unlock, or this is my LAST experience with their phone.. PERIOD.. I heard they are now preparing the LG G4 Pro next year.. well, if they still not releasing the unlock for LG G4, they can forget about it.. well at least from me.. I'm soo done with LG
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I'm not saying they don't care about you, but lets face it...they don't care about you. If you don't buy another LG, that's what....1 device per year? Maybe two. Consider this...we have what appears to a few hundred users on the G4 thread. We're probably not 1% of the total sales of the G4....and probably never will be. LG is going to look at "the masses" (aka people who don't xda, have no idea what root is, and wouldn't know what to do with unlock), which is like 99% of the users. They'd rather focus on the next update to the G4 or the next model they release, as if they can make it better than Apple or Samsung's next iteration of the smartphone, they can gain thousands of unit sales. Not to mention, this more than likely is a CARRIER driven situation than an LG driven one. Carriers don't really want us being able to remove their ads and other bloat....they worked hard to fatten our phones up!
I think it's a crazy situation that a carrier can decide that YOUR payed device is locked because of advertising bloatware.
Glad to live in a country with freedoms.
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I had both, so I was willing to stake my bet that both took better pics (though admittedly I've never had the M9).
I'm right there with ya on waiting sucks.....probably why I've never bought a device this early in it's "life". I usually get it after it's been out for a few months and has at least root.. I was in the unfortunate situation of my Note 4 becoming so unstable on 5.0 that it was hardly functional....would have to reboot 3-5 times a day average. Got the G4 because I couldn't take the idea of having an apple-looking device in my hand LOL
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Whereas I'm always 'get me that damned device the second it's available!!! NAO!!!!
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I think it's a crazy situation that a carrier can decide that YOUR payed device is locked because of advertising bloatware.
Verstuurd vanaf mijn LG-H815 met Tapatalk
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It's not because of carrier bloatware. It's largely because of warranty and support. 98% of the people out there aren't going to unlock the phone even if it's able to unlock.Frankly the carriers don't really care about those of us who want to unlock it...we're not a big enough amount of their revenue to matter. Which is why the carriers (well Sprint and TMO anyhow) will usually let you unlock. Like I said, this one isn't because of the carriers (aside from AT&T and Verizon probably). This is about LG not wanting to provide the unlock.
I understand there is a trial and error, and one can always use the US996 boot for the rom and see if it loads the H918 rom.
But is there anyone who can confirm this works? I am trying to trudge through threads and it's far and few with a definitive answer.
Please, any information is appreciated.
As I am stuck deciding between H918 and the US996 model LG v20 to purchase.
The h918 and us996 are closely related. Even tho it seems the h918 is getting a lot of attention dev wise, they mostly focus on that device first then add other variants of the v20 to it. So I'd say if you have no patience you can go with the h918 if your willing to wait you can get the us996. But it's always good to have an unlocked device, hope you don't take this wrong.
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The h918 and us996 are closely related. Even tho it seems the h918 is getting a lot of attention dev wise, they mostly focus on that device first then add other variants of the v20 to it. So I'd say if you have no patience you can go with the h918 if your willing to wait you can get the us996. But it's always good to have an unlocked device, hope you don't take this wrong.
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I wanted to say thank you for you reply.
These are my sentiments actually.
I understand T-mobile version is the most beloved when it came to the v10 (as that was the most easily rooted one).
And it continued here, albeit LG posted their own bootload unlocked for the v20 on their website.
I see there is some dev support for the US996. But it's falling behind the h918.
And of course factory unlocking is the way to go. I'm just thinking of longevity of the phone. 2+ years down the road.. Which will have the most dev support?
I don't upgrade every year. I think it's ridiculous.
And I understand v20 is in its infancy.. But which wins long term? H918 or US996?
Because the h918 is getting all the love in the beginning.
Will there be a point where the tides turn and some more seasoned developers focus on the US996 and the h918 falls behind?
I understand it's silly to speculate so early. But these are my questions before I hop onto this v20 train. I want it so bad. Lol.
You're asking us to predict the future. Logic says most people have carrier models because not everybody wants to put up $600-$800 upfront for a phone. Either one you choose now guarantees root. Up to you. There are some slight differences like 918 having FM radio. Which features are more important?
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You're asking us to predict the future. Logic says most people have carrier models because not everybody wants to put up $600-$800 upfront for a phone. Either one you choose now guarantees root. Up to you. There are some slight differences like 918 having FM radio. Which features are more important?
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Genuinely. I never thought about that. Up front for the phone. That's very true. That's probably why t-mobile has taken off.
Maybe a pros and cons of each device?
I understand the US996 is more capable with networks.
And the h918 has fM radio.
Besides that. There really is no difference?
It all comes down to EOL after the phones. I think tmobile is a safe bet. We have resurrection remix rom already for that variant... Which I run on my galaxy s3.
So longevity is important to me.
I bought the note 4 910H. Boy was I wrong. Barely any roms. And the snap dragon version has resurrection remix among other 7.1.1 roms going for it.
Interesting topic. I'm not concerned about if the 996 development'catches up' to the 918. The question to me is still there be enough.
I too am a longer term user. I'm on the T-Mobile version of the Note 4 so I could have root. I'm generally not enthused about putting ROMs on, as I find there are virtually always issues of some kind.
That being said, it was getting slow enough that I finally started putting ROMs on it, and finally landed on Maximum Overdrive's ROM. It is a great ROM, and has allowed me to extend life of the phone...in fact I'm still on it. I see he is doing a ROM for the 918, and had indicated he will not be developing for the 996 because he does not have one.
I'm interested in the 996 mainly because it will work on both AT&T and Verizon. Data is so bad where I live that I'm considering changing carriers. If not for that I'd get either a Oneplus 3T, or a Mate 9. I'm getting tired of paying $800 for phones.
Would be good to hear that ROMs are interchangeable.
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Interesting topic. I'm not concerned about if the 996 development'catches up' to the 918. The question to me is still there be enough.
I too am a longer term user. I'm on the T-Mobile version of the Note 4 so I could have root. I'm generally not enthused about putting ROMs on, as I find there are virtually always issues of some kind.
That being said, it was getting slow enough that I finally started putting ROMs on it, and finally landed on Maximum Overdrive's ROM. It is a great ROM, and has allowed me to extend life of the phone...in fact I'm still on it. I see he is doing a ROM for the 918, and had indicated he will not be developing for the 996 because he does not have one.
I'm interested in the 996 mainly because it will work on both AT&T and Verizon. Data is so bad where I live that I'm considering changing carriers. If not for that I'd get either a Oneplus 3T, or a Mate 9. I'm getting tired of paying $800 for phones.
Would be good to hear that ROMs are interchangeable.
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This is excellent. I encourage all discussion. I'm sure I'm not the only one experiencing this dilemma.
In all honesty, I'd probably stick with my note 4 until it borked.. But there's no support for my model, really. Very little. And it's stuck on 6.0 marshmallow. Lame.
A lot of note 4 users seem to find their way over to the LG V20 side. It's almost like the bigger brother in a way.
If I knew what I know now. I'd have bought the tmobile model too, or close to it. For the support it has.
Also, I believe the maximum overdrive is already out for the v20?
Are you planning on moving to the v20?
I spent 800 for this note 4.. Not including the square trade warranty.
Its just nice to be on the phone that can last with developer support.
If lg keeps it up. I'm sure the v30 and v40 will be outstanding.
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This is excellent. I encourage all discussion. I'm sure I'm not the only one experiencing this dilemma.
In all honesty, I'd probably stick with my note 4 until it borked.. But there's no support for my model, really. Very little. And it's stuck on 6.0 marshmallow. Lame.
A lot of note 4 users seem to find their way over to the LG V20 side. It's almost like the bigger brother in a way.
If I knew what I know now. I'd have bought the tmobile model too, or close to it. For the support it has.
Also, I believe the maximum overdrive is already out for the v20?
Are you planning on moving to the v20?
I spent 800 for this note 4.. Not including the square trade warranty.
Its just nice to be on the phone that can last with developer support.
If lg keeps it up. I'm sure the v30 and v40 will be outstanding.
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As I noted in the post, Max OD is writing for the 918 only. So, even if I went to a V20, I couldn't use the OD ROM...unless it is determined that 918s will run on 996...but everybody says "Don't do that".
But in fact, I have finally decided to NOT go with the V20. I keep reading about folks having the lens on the camera break, and some are emphatic that they did not hit it or do anything to cause it. LG is NOT warranting them for that issue.
I've seen it often enough that whether it is caused by a bump or automatic explosion it's often enough to turn me off of the phone.
So, I guess I'll be hanging on to the Note 4. BTW...I originally had a AT&T model, but it got so horrible with lags and stuff, I sold it and got the T-Mobile version, and it has paid off.
I have given strong thougth to all the latest 'hot' phones: Oneplus 3T, Xaiomi, Asus Zenphone 3, ZTE Axon 7 and a couple others. All have their short comings, either poor picture, not available in intl that would cover both Verizon and AT&T, poor GPS, poor community support, or in the case of the V20...exploding camera lens.
So, my Note 4 will have to hang on a little longer. Interestingly, it is working good enough that I question why I want to get another phone...especially when they are $800.
Eventually I'll have to give up on some of my 'must have' items on the list...and probably have to pay too much money.
Lens break? Do you know how small a sample that is? And have you seen some of the pictures? It was obviously impact. Some people are in denial. Always some thread about something. What phone hasn't a bad battery life thread?
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Lens break? Do you know how small a sample that is? And have you seen some of the pictures? It was obviously impact. Some people are in denial. Always some thread about something. What phone hasn't a bad battery life thread?
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I'm sure it is a small percentage. And I'm sure a small percentage of folks that have that happen even know about this forum to come and complain.
I am a type of geek who like using a phone for long period of time(3.5years for my original moto g now).
I really like the hi-fi audio recording and quad-dac in the V20,but I am worrying about the software support of the phone.I don't want to stuck with outdated software over years of time to degrade the user experience.(retailers in my cities are selling H990N which cannot unlock BL)
So another alternative - HTC 10,come to my mind with some sacrifices,but come with countless dev support to keep me on par with latest android update.
So which one should I choose???
(they are both selling for about $400 USD in my country)
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I am a type of geek who like using a phone for long period of time(3.5years for my original moto g now).
I really like the hi-fi audio recording and quad-dac in the V20,but I am worrying about the software support of the phone.I don't want to stuck with outdated software over years of time to degrade the user experience.(retailers in my cities are selling H990N which cannot unlock BL)
So another alternative - HTC 10,come to my mind with some sacrifices,but come with countless dev support to keep me on par with latest android update.
So which one should I choose???
(they are both selling for about $400 USD in my country)
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Me personally, as a tinkerer, would go with which ever phone has support for BL unlock. However, if its primarily software support your worrying about the V20 will probably have the same life span as any other top tier smartphone in the same class, if not more. And with the release of Android O, google has confirmed they will stop upgrading the nexus devices first, and will rather update all android devices with updates as they come out. Google is also fighting the many vetting processes that Providers go through before releasing the update to your phones.
TL;DR: Both phones will have support for years to come, google has stopped updating nexus devices exclusively, and if you're worried about BL Unlocks, go with the one that's unlockable.
Edit: Forgot to mention Im almost certain the v20 has better camera hardware & software then the HTC 10 does, but that can be considered an opinion on the internet now a days so, do with it as you will.
Unfortunately Google, OEM's and Carriers mostly dictate what ends up on every phone. And cooperation between the three is often lacking, late, fragmented.
I did my research before getting my V20 so I don't have any expectations regarding newer firmwares, b/l unlock or rooting.
I'll take whatever comes along.
There's very little open development and what there is only covers a few variants.
Although the V20 is a fantastic phone I think you would be better going for the HTC or another similar device.
personally I would go with the v20, no doubt!!
a much better screen (unless you're one of the lucky 10% to find a Sharp panel, the Tianma looks quite awful...), a better dac, even if the aQstic dac on the htc10 isn't a bad choice at all; more ram; v20 was equipped with android N at the launch so my guess is it will be updated to android P
about the custom roms matter: I'm not sure how the dac would behave on a custom rom, so you better check before you decide!
LG V20 with official Android P-ie-in-the-sky
I'm also an optimist, but as there's not even 7.1.1 yet I'm not gona hold my breath.
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LG V20 with official Android P-ie-in-the-sky
I'm also an optimist, but as there's not even 7.1.1 yet I'm not gona hold my breath.
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This is my real concern here as I would definitely keep my device for more than 3 years(unless it gets into hardware bootloop), android updates is something important for me
(I use my tiny moto for so long as it gets 7.1.2 running flawlessly)
However,since I love the feature of V20 so much,it is going to be a tough choice
Yeah it probably is a tough choice. But it is your choice. My suggestion was in reply to your post.
The V20 is one of the best phones I've owned. I knew the state of play before I decided to get it. And I've no regrets.
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LG V20 with official Android P-ie-in-the-sky
I'm also an optimist, but as there's not even 7.1.1 yet I'm not gona hold my breath.
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Lg has never bothered updating to any x.1 release, so I'm quite positive we won't see any 7.1.1 update... As I'm planning to keep this phone for a couple of years I'm hoping Lg will follow his usual 2 major updates policy anyway... we'll see!
. OK, seems you know more about LG's weird ways of doing things than I do. But I'm learning lol.
So, their flagship V20 the first to be released with Nougat out-of-the-box..... then update limbo until whenever they can be arsed....
Marvellous
I'd be happy with a couple of minor updates, at least security patches would be more pertinent.
Personally because you have a removable battery on the v20 I would say go for it.
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Personally because you have a removable battery on the v20 I would say go for it.
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As I'm a careless user who drop the phone more often than anyone else,the removable battery option just makes the phone less durable in drops...
But it has a mil spec drop resistant...
Gosh I can't make any choice?
zack1175 said:
As I'm a careless user who drop the phone more often than anyone else,the removable battery option just makes the phone less durable in drops...
But it has a mil spec drop resistant...
Gosh I can't make any choice?
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The removable battery doesn't affect it's durability, v20 is a bit different in that the back doesn't just pop off there is a button you have to press to remove it. The removable battery won't negatively affect durability.
I think the removable battery is important if you're going to keep your phone long term because the battery is likely the first component to degrade.
As far as updates go LG tends to support their phones for at least one major release (Android O in this case) which is what the majority of manufacturers do.
Google is the only company that tends to support their phones beyond a typical one major release, the Nexus 6 for example has gone from Lollipop (5.x) to Nougat (7.x).
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I say go with the V20 but ONLY after the V30 info has been released. The V30 might be a worthy upgrade so don't throw any money at the V20 yet.
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I say go with the V20 but ONLY after the V30 info has been released. The V30 might be a worthy upgrade so don't throw any money at the V20 yet.
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I can't purchase latest flagship as they are beyond my budget well over $200 USD...
(400USD VS 699USD for brand new phone)
I've dropped my phone 3x, the back pops off but it hasn't affected the phone or battery in any way. The phone only got minor scratches. Anyways, if the spare removable battery ? isn't important to you then get htc. I believe to truly enjoy this phone YOU HAVE TO have a spare battery. Battery life isn't that great but with a spare I don't care. We'll good luck
Yeah removable battery is key if you plan on keeping phone for 2+ years. Disassembling the whole phone just to change the battery as well as resoldering it is going to be a pain unless you are ok with dealing with the lost capacity from the battery due to age.
Resoldering?
Batteries are modular so there's no soldering required.
And many phones aren't all that hard to dismantle for battery access. Teardowns are readily available.
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Resoldering?
Batteries are modular so there's no soldering required.
And many phones aren't all that hard to dismantle for battery access. Teardowns are readily available.
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Could have sworn the Nexus 5x my buddy had was soldered when he went to switch out the battery. Maybe not I don't really remember as it's been awhile. That's pretty nice if so, still a pain having to take it apart compared to to just a couple of seconds to pop off the back of the v20.
Also doing a battery pull can be very helpful sometimes in the modding community when rooting and stuff. I've had to do it a few times on my s4 and note 4 back when I was flashing all sorts of different rooms trying stuff out.
Nexus 5x has a connector most phones use a connector but there are some devices that are soldered so it's not unheard of. The iPod nano battery replacement is an example of a battery that requires soldering.
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Wtf iPod Nano?
Some batteries are connected with a plug.
Some connect via spring contacts - V20 for example.
Modular: easy replacement if required, cuts service labour time etc..
I wonder how many recent devices have hard-wired batteries.
A colleague of mine is selling his nearly mint att LG V20 (H910) device for just $150. I would like to get this device as I have lost data on my Galaxy S4 Play Edition and can not restore it. (I really like S4 and works without any problem, but I can not restore the data. Didn't get much ideas in Galaxy S4 board so finally giving up on it.)
I like to keep my devices for at least 3 to 4 years. To be able to keep this long, I should be able to root it without much complication. There should be enough community that ROMs will keep appearing after LG decides to stop updating (Not sure Oreo is coming to this device). No unexpected problems should show up due to hardware failure (bootloops on G4, G5, V10) that would require manufacturer to fix. I am not interested in paying a dime.
I can see some rooting info is available. ROMs are also available, but I am not too sure with regards to hardware.
Will appreciate inputs from the users.
Thanks in advance.
fuzzychicken said:
A colleague of mine is selling his nearly mint att LG V20 (H910) device for just $150. I would like to get this device as I have lost data on my Galaxy S4 Play Edition and can not restore it. (I really like S4 and works without any problem, but I can not restore the data. Didn't get much ideas in Galaxy S4 board so finally giving up on it.)
I like to keep my devices for at least 3 to 4 years. To be able to keep this long, I should be able to root it without much complication. There should be enough community that ROMs will keep appearing after LG decides to stop updating (Not sure Oreo is coming to this device). No unexpected problems should show up due to hardware failure (bootloops on G4, G5, V10) that would require manufacturer to fix. I am not interested in paying a dime.
I can see some rooting info is available. ROMs are also available, but I am not too sure with regards to hardware.
Will appreciate inputs from the users.
Thanks in advance.
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Root is more complicated compared to samsungs, the v20 is basically end of life and just now getting oreo, which isn't anything to get excited about as LG software support sucks. The v20 has screen retention issues, poor cellular signal strength just to name a few common issues. Development is pretty scarce as the majority of original devs have long since moved onto other devices. The v20 may get pie but expect it to be a long time considering LG's track record. Your money may be better spent elsewhere
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Root is more complicated compared to samsungs, the v20 is basically end of life and just now getting oreo, which isn't anything to get excited about as LG software support sucks. The v20 has screen retention issues, poor cellular signal strength just to name a few common issues. Development is pretty scarce as the majority of original devs have long since moved onto other devices. The v20 may get pie but expect it to be a long time considering LG's track record. Your money may be better spent elsewhere
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Thank you for the comment.
I do not expect any software support from LG. From what I am reading Oreo is coming to Korea only so att device may never see it. As long as Lineage folks keep releasing nightly ROMs, I am content with that.
Can you pls elaborate on the screen retention issues? Do they get burn-in quickly?
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Thank you for the comment.
I do not expect any software support from LG. From what I am reading Oreo is coming to Korea only so att device may never see it. As long as Lineage folks keep releasing nightly ROMs, I am content with that.
Can you pls elaborate on the screen retention issues? Do they get burn-in quickly?
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All variants will get oreo, I don't use lineage due to its numerous short-comings and issues. The screen retains images and there is ghosting, most of it can be alleviated by using a custom kernel with kcal support.
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Thank you for the comment.
I do not expect any software support from LG. From what I am reading Oreo is coming to Korea only so att device may never see it. As long as Lineage folks keep releasing nightly ROMs, I am content with that.
Can you pls elaborate on the screen retention issues? Do they get burn-in quickly?
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In my opinion, the Moto G5s Plus(that my father has) is way better in terms of speed and battery life. So you should probably spend your money on Moto G6 or something that falls within your budget if you care most about speed, stock android and battery life. It may be more expensive than 150$
Otherwise, additional features like the second screen, IR blaster are pretty good on LG v20.
Also screen retention/ghosting is annoying and using KCAL with certain settings, fixes it but colors look a bit weird.