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I don't get how the largest electronics company in the world cannot work out how to make 4G support for their main smart phone chip. Like it's the biggest failure about this phone, the only reason why I wanted it was for the Exynos 5 + the 544 but instead now we get the Snapdragon with the Adreno 320. Basically it has the same internals as every other frigging phone out there and I bet they'll be cheaper too like the HTC One has no up front cost.
It's just made me got "forget the GS4" not only did it look no different to the GS3 but the internals are a let down too because Samsung doesn't have 4G support for Exynos. At this point I'm just going to end my contract, go on a month by month contract as it's only £12 for unlimited data what I'm paying £40 a month for now. Then I'm just going to wait it out for something better, hopefully Nokia do a 41mp Windows Phone or something actually interesting rather than these lack luster phones we've had so far this year.
I was gonna upgrade but no Exynos 5 + 4G = no sale.
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I don't get how the largest electronics company in the world cannot work out how to make 4G support for their main smart phone chip. Like it's the biggest failure about this phone, the only reason why I wanted it was for the Exynos 5 + the 544 but instead now we get the Snapdragon with the Adreno 320. Basically it has the same internals as every other frigging phone out there and I bet they'll be cheaper too like the HTC One has no up front cost.
It's just made me got "forget the GS4" not only did it look no different to the GS3 but the internals are a let down too because Samsung doesn't have 4G support for Exynos. At this point I'm just going to end my contract, go on a month by month contract as it's only £12 for unlimited data what I'm paying £40 a month for now. Then I'm just going to wait it out for something better, hopefully Nokia do a 41mp Windows Phone or something actually interesting rather than these lack luster phones we've had so far this year.
I was gonna upgrade but no Exynos 5 + 4G = no sale.
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Using a seperate radio and SoC consumes more battery, and LTE already consumers more battery. The N2 has a gigantic battery which is why it was released with Exynos. With 40 different LTE bands a different radio has to be used depending on the market which also makes developing and supporting the s/w a pain in the ass.
This is coming out mid-year and should allow multiband LTE-capable devices to be built and sold just like HSPA devices have been in the past. Samung's already said they plan on using it.
http://www.qualcomm.com/media/relea...olution-enables-single-global-lte-design-next
Thing is if that comes out later in the year, at that point I might as well just see what Nokia or Apple do and possible Google will have the Nexus 5 by then. It's just not good enough really and I have my upgrade now from my GS2 like loads of other people who got one in 2011.
What are u talking about the upgrade is HUGE
www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s3-169204/
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The Exynos supports LTE so the whole question you're posing is loaded with misinformation.
The question you should be asking why Samsung decided to pair it up with the Qualcomm instead; that has some more meaningful answers and hypothesises:
- The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
- Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
- Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
- Why did they even release it as such - that's what most people are angry about; it sucks for the enthusiasts but it makes perfect sense from a business perspective. Release it early so to catch as many users as possible who would be otherwise tempted by the HTC One or the Z.
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
Using a seperate radio and SoC consumes more battery, and LTE already consumers more battery.
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That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is again something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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The Exynos supports LTE so the whole question you're posing is loaded with misinformation.
The question you should be asking why Samsung decided to pair it up with the Qualcomm instead; that has some more meaningful answers and hypothesises:
- The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
- Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
- Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
- Why did they even release it as such - that's what most people are angry about; it sucks for the enthusiasts but it makes perfect sense from a business perspective. Release it early so to catch as many users as possible who would be otherwise tempted by the HTC One or the Z.
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is again something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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It's unlikely we will get a refresh with Exynos + LTE. Even the Korean LTE versions are Snapdragon-based.
We might see them earliest in Note 3.
Livebyte said:
It's unlikely we will get a refresh with Exynos + LTE. Even the Korean LTE versions are Snapdragon-based.
We might see them earliest in Note 3.
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It's up to Samsung.
Japan also got a refresh and was in the same situation; original release was the Qualcomm S3, then they got the S3 Alpha which is basically an i9305 with the Note 2 Exynos revision. T-Mobile are also adopting their M3 (i9305) variant.
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The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
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Wild ass guess.
Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
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They used Exynos 4 in tablets last year so they had plenty and still multi-sourced.
Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
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Until the RF360 comes out LTE radios are hardware limited as to the bands they support so there are multiple radio configurations based on where the device is to be sold or used.
Release it early so to catch as many users as possible
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Wild ass guess. How many mainstream users know what an Octa or Snapdragon is and would care if they did?
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
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A wild ass guess I'd agree with based on it driving more profit for Samsung by using their own SoC.
That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is against something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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Why did Samsung deploy the N2 with Exynos/LTE and not the SGS3?
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Why did Samsung deploy the N2 with Exynos/LTE and not the SGS3?
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Qualcomm didn't start offering a standalone LTE+GSM combo solution until late 2012 as far as I know. And Samsung did eventually offer an Exynos+LTE SGS3 with the I9305, which was released in fall 2012.
I suspect the Exynos vs. Qualcomm difference has nothing to do with LTE but is for some other reason, as others have said, the Snapdragon variants are not using one of the Qualcomms with integrated baseband, but one of the standalone modem chipsets (like the Xperia Z and Nexus 4 do... And in fact I think every quad-Krait device on the market is using an APQ with an external modem chipset.) Probably production rampup is one of the issues, also, the Exynos5 "Octa" is not by any means a proven platform, so Samsung might be sticking with a more proven base for the majority of their devices.
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Until the RF360 comes out LTE radios are hardware limited as to the bands they support so there are multiple radio configurations based on where the device is to be sold or used.
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I think you're massively mistaking amplifiers and actual modems. The modems are identical on all models since they're compatible with everything. The Note 2 LTE variants are globally the same thing and the only difference are the antennas and amplifiers.
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They used Exynos 4 in tablets last year so they had plenty and still multi-sourced.
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Why did Samsung deploy the N2 with Exynos/LTE and not the SGS3?
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"Last year" encompasses a period of 12 months, so please think a bit before doing such arguments. The S3 was launched on May 29th while the second device to have the Exynos was the Galaxy Note 10.1 in mid-August. That's already a 3-month period between devices and in manufacturing terms, that's an eternity. Furthermore you're comparing a device in double-digit million sales within the first two months to a tablet which basically nobody bought.
Furthermore they did not release it with LTE because at the time there wasn't any discrete modem available and only Qualcomm's MSM offered LTE capability. This is the same reason the Tegra 3 One X never came out in the LTE enabled countries, they were in exactly the same situation. The Note 2 (And i9305) came out with the Exynos + Qualcomm because the MDM9215 was specifically available as a discrete chip by that time.
Also please refrain from calling things wild ass guesses when your own claims are even more uninformed.
Check this:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/data/competitive.pdf
BTW, does s600 have integrated LTE? I believe not.
I recall the model name was APQ***
s800 is supposed to have integrated LTE.
hot_spare said:
Check this:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/data/competitive.pdf
BTW, does s600 have integrated LTE? I believe not.
I recall the model name was APQ***
s800 is supposed to have integrated LTE.
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No, the 600 being included in the GS4 is an APQ - which means no integrated baseband.
While there are quad Kraits with integrated modem on Qualcomm's roadmap, they are quite rare. As in I have yet to see a quad-Krait device that wasn't an APQ.
Could be related to the yield issues mentioned in the PDF above.
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The Exynos supports LTE so the whole question you're posing is loaded with misinformation.
The question you should be asking why Samsung decided to pair it up with the Qualcomm instead; that has some more meaningful answers and hypothesises:
- The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
- Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
- Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
- Why did they even release it as such - that's what most people are angry about; it sucks for the enthusiasts but it makes perfect sense from a business perspective. Release it early so to catch as many users as possible who would be otherwise tempted by the HTC One or the Z.
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is again something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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Can you give more information on which LTE bands exynos supports?
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Can you give more information on which LTE bands exynos supports?
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Exynos4 and Exynos5 don't support ANY LTE bands directly. In fact they don't have built in wireless capability of any form. Neither does the Snapdragon 600 that is going to be sold in the GS4, neither does the APQ8064 used in many current Qualcomm quad-Krait devices.
All of the above depend on an external modem chipset, in almost all cases for LTE devices Qualcomm MDM9x15 or MDM9x25. Band support is determined by the RF frontend chipset (Qualcomm WTR1605L in all cases probably) and what bands the manufacturer added RF frontend filters for.
There is nothing that prevents a MDM9x15 or 9x25 from being hung off of an Exynos4 or Exynos5 (in fact, that's what was done for LTE Note2 variants).
The misconception that "this or that CPU doesn't support LTE" comes from the early days of LTE when the only multiband multimode modem was Qualcomm's, and initially Qualcomm only provided it in the form of fully integrated MSM CPU+baseband solutions. But since Qualcomm started selling the standalone MDM9615 last fall or so, there's nothing preventing any CPU with HSIC support (which basically any modern CPU has) from having LTE connectivity.
Exynos "Octa" not having LTE almost surely has nothing to do with technical incompatibilities but everything to do with Samsung not wanting to put all of their eggs in one basket with an unproven highly complex processor.
so what will be the better choice ? Snapdragon or Exynos, if both support 4G?
Now if the extnos octa does support lte, which I believe it does just not American frequencies. If it has a Qualcomm radio and its model supports multi band or world radio chip that support everything (forgot model number). Can a different modem enable those lte bands or is it all hardware related??
S4 Exynos 5 import -- 4g works?
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Exynos "Octa" not having LTE almost surely has nothing to do with technical incompatibilities but everything to do with Samsung not wanting to put all of their eggs in one basket with an unproven highly complex processor.
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Absolute novice here, so if it's not down to technical reasons would an imported GS4 with the Exynos 5 still actually work with 4G networks, or will it just not work end-of? Would there be any way to mod the phone's firmware to get the 4G supported, or is the failure due to the hardware itself?
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Absolute novice here, so if it's not down to technical reasons would an imported GS4 with the Exynos 5 still actually work with 4G networks, or will it just not work end-of? Would there be any way to mod the phone's firmware to get the 4G supported, or is the failure due to the hardware itself?
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Same question here. Furthermore, I am curious as to why no one else makes LTE modem besides Qualcomm.
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Absolute novice here, so if it's not down to technical reasons would an imported GS4 with the Exynos 5 still actually work with 4G networks, or will it just not work end-of? Would there be any way to mod the phone's firmware to get the 4G supported, or is the failure due to the hardware itself?
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Each device is customized for the bands it will run on. See the Note2 as an example - There are multiple t0lte variants, the N7105, I317 (AT&T), T-Mobile version, Sprint version, Verizon version - Each had RF frontend hardware customized for their target carrier/region. The CPU was the same (Exynos), the modem was the same (MDM9615), the primary RF chipset was the same (WTR1605L I *think*), but the RF frontend filter and switching circuitry was different for each variant, meaning you couldn't just flash an I317 baseband to N7105 and get AT&T LTE support for example.
As to why no one else is making an LTE modem besides Qualcomm - Qualcomm have more experience with these things than any other company. Many of the core principles of communications theory were created by Qualcomm's founders. Principles of Communication Engineering is still considered the Bible of communications theory, written by Wozencraft and Jacobs (Jacobs being one of the founders of Qualcomm, along with Andrew Viterbi, famous for the Viterbi Algorithm.) Same reason Qualcomm was the first company to achieve reasonably power-efficient UMTS baseband chipsets.
Edit: Here's a good read regarding Qualcomm's modems: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6541/the-state-of-qualcomms-modems-wtr1605-and-mdm9x25
maybe somebody interestening in
octa core with lte all 20 bands???
go to sammobile and look the new news.
Octacore supports LTE all 20 bands
Hi!
I've been using an international Note 2 for the last 2 and a half years and am planning to upgrade to a Note 4 soon. I won't be buying it in India since it costs quite a lot more, and I'd prefer the Exynos version.
I'm quite confused with regard to the bands, I'm leaning towards getting the N910H and am not sure if it supports all the bands in use in India. LTE isn't really important to me. I have read that not having some bands will affect battery life negatively as the phone needs to search more, will this be the case for me with the N910H?
The Samsung India website doesn't list which model they sell, but it is a Snapdragon version since it mentions 2.7GHz on the spec page. It apparently supports the following bands:
2.5G (GSM/GPRS/EDGE) : 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G (HSPA＋ 42Mbps): 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
4G (LTE Cat.6 300/50Mbps)
"May differ by country and carrier"?
Bands the N910H supports
2.5G (EDGE, GSM/GPRS ) MHz:850, 900, 1800, 1900
3.5G (HSPA+, UMTS/WCDMA ) MHz:850, 900, 1900, 2100
> According to a different website: Cellular Networks: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850 (B5), UMTS900 (B8), UMTS1900 (B2), UMTS2100 (B1)
Bands the Note 2 supports:
2G bands GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G bands HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
Bands used in India, according to GSMarena
2G capabilities
GSM 900, GSM 1800
3G capabilities
UMTS 2100
4G capabilities
LTE 2300
I'm quite confused as to what the different versions are supposed to do, are all Snapdragons the same? Are all Exynos versions the same? Why so many variants?
There is an exynos version with LTE support, which version is this?
Is it worth switching to the Note 4 from my Note 2? I am quite happy with my phone, the screen is fine too. Are the new features worth it? Or are they just something to use for a week and then fade into oblivion?
Also :
Does the Note 4 support air view with a finger instead of the S-Pen like the Note 3/S4 did?
Is using hover wake up faster than tapping the home button?
Does it support tapping the screen to wake?
Does it have a dedicated pedometer, rather than using the accelerometer to count steps?
Dedicated chip for always on listening like the Moto X has? I've heard the snapdragon version supports always on listening for 'OK Google' , and have seen someone using a command to open S-Voice with the screen off. Does the Exynos version have this chip?
Does region matter? Can a n910h use a n910x if they are both exynos devices?
I'd appreciate any insight please, thanks!
Cheers!
Ok I will start answering:
Yes, any INTERNATIONAL Note 4 will work just fine in India (N910C, N910H, N910F and N910U). There are two Exynos models that have LTE capabilities: the N910C (which is the device I own) and the N910U. The last one is less known and I really don't know what differences have with the N910C other than it have an Intel Modem. If you want an Exynos device with LTE support, buy the N910C. If you want a Snapdragon version with LTE, get the N910F. Both are known to work fine in the place where you live.
Now the other questions:
1. Yes, it (partially) support finger Airview. It's hidden in the Settings app but it can be enabled with a Play Store app.
2. It can support double tap to wake, with the proper application. This is a workaround since it only enables the Touch support when the device is locked (which results in a battery drain since it disables deep-sleep function). if the question is "Does it have a proper sensor like the LG G3 which supports double tap to wake" then the answer is NO.
3. Yes, the Note 4 features an inbuilt pedometer, just like the S5 had. It's really accurate.
4. Yes, the Note 4 (Exynos and Snapdragon) support the "always on" feature for both Google Now and S-Voice. In S-Voice you can even customize the command and use any phrase you want to wake it up. About Google Now, I'm not sure if it supports Indian language yet (this doesnt have anything to do with the Note 4 anyway, it's just Google fault)
5. Yes, Region and CHIPS matter if you want to use a rom from a different device. If you own a N910H and you want a N910C rom, you have to delete the modem to get it perfectly working. That's because I recommend you the N910C since it supports LTE and it's international. Anyway, if the rom IS MADE for your device, then the region doesn't matter. It will just work fine.
I hope that this will help you. If you have any other question feel free to tell me. Cheers!
Really helps, thank you!
A few more if I may :
I used one in the store today, it seemed quite slow. Loading the camera or multitasking menu wasn't much faster (if at all) than my current phone, is there a fix?
Is the software good enough to not need a custom rom? I've almost always been rooted though.
Do apps need to reload when multitasking? I saw a video on youtube where games needed to reload once minimised, it wasn't recent so I'm wondering if it is still the case.
Is it worth buying for the equivalent of about 550USD? over a phone like the Zenfone 2 for about 250? Which would you get personally? Is it a worthy upgrade to something over the Note 2 for basic usage? (Clash of clans, Reddit , WhatsApp )
How many hours of screen on time do you get on average?
Thank you! I just realised your ID is galaxynote2, have you switched from it?
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Really helps, thank you!
A few more if I may :
I used one in the store today, it seemed quite slow. Loading the camera or multitasking menu wasn't much faster (if at all) than my current phone, is there a fix?
Is the software good enough to not need a custom rom? I've almost always been rooted though.
Do apps need to reload when multitasking? I saw a video on youtube where games needed to reload once minimised, it wasn't recent so I'm wondering if it is still the case.
Is it worth buying for the equivalent of about 550USD? over a phone like the Zenfone 2 for about 250? Which would you get personally? Is it a worthy upgrade to something over the Note 2 for basic usage? (Clash of clans, Reddit , WhatsApp )
How many hours of screen on time do you get on average?
Thank you! I just realised your ID is galaxynote2, have you switched from it?
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1.The camera loads fast enough, don't worry about it.
2.The software is good, it could use some optimization but it's good enough.
3.Depends on the game and the time you were out of the game.So basically, yes.
4.I would say that it is much more worth buying the note 4, $550 is a good price for it.And yes, it is a good upgrade over the note 2 in every aspect.
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1.The camera loads fast enough, don't worry about it.
2.The software is good, it could use some optimization but it's good enough.
3.Depends on the game and the time you were out of the game.So basically, yes.
4.I would say that it is much more worth buying the note 4, $550 is a good price for it.And yes, it is a good upgrade over the note 2 in every aspect.
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Thanks again. Could you look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st0eS2NeLQE and tell me if the performance is supposed to be this way? The multitasking lag and relative price are the only things that keep me doubtful, i'm sorry for the bother!
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Thanks again. Could you look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st0eS2NeLQE and tell me if the performance is supposed to be this way? The multitasking lag and relative price are the only things that keep me doubtful, i'm sorry for the bother!
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It's really not that much of a lag on the note 4, it performs very good and it's ok for that price.I would go for the note 4 over the Zenfone 2.Or, you can always get the S6 which is a better performer than both of them
The s6 is quite a bit out of my price range, and doesn't have the battery life the Note offers!
Important question, I've decided to go for the N910c like you mentioned. The website I'm buying from lists an N910 with LTE and the exynos chip in it, is there any other way to check which variant it is? (I.e international (c) or some other region specific variant?)
Apparently there are a few regions which have both LTE and the exynos chipset, they sell a bunch of versions but this is the only one without a letter mentioned. Any telltale sign?
Ashatar said:
It's really not that much of a lag on the note 4, it performs very good and it's ok for that price.I would go for the note 4 over the Zenfone 2.Or, you can always get the S6 which is a better performer than both of them
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The s6 is quite a bit out of my price range, and doesn't have the battery life the Note offers!
Important question, I've decided to go for the N910c like you mentioned. The website I'm buying from lists an N910 with LTE and the exynos chip in it, is there any other way to check which variant it is? (I.e international (c) or some other region specific variant?)
Apparently there are a few regions which have both LTE and the exynos chipset, they sell a bunch of versions but this is the only one without a letter mentioned. Any telltale sign?
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The s6 is quite a bit out of my price range, and doesn't have the battery life the Note offers!
Important question, I've decided to go for the N910c like you mentioned. The website I'm buying from lists an N910 with LTE and the exynos chip in it, is there any other way to check which variant it is? (I.e international (c) or some other region specific variant?)
Apparently there are a few regions which have both LTE and the exynos chipset, they sell a bunch of versions but this is the only one without a letter mentioned. Any telltale sign?
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The only way you could really check the device is if you go and see it for yourself.Send a link for the site where you're buying your note 4.
Hi Ashatar, I've sent to you as a message
I currently have a LG G4 verizon edition. I am jumping to ATT so I need a new phone. I looked at the G5s but not much changed or is different than my current g4. I would jump to G4 gsm version but the boot loop issue is not something I want to risk. I need the phone to last a couple years. Note 4 seems comparable to G4.
Things I care about:
- Removeable battery
- SD Card
- IR blaster
- OIS
- unlocked bootloader for root access
- support both ATT and Tmobile bands
Note 4 seems to check all these off. I been reading about the 910T (snapdragon tmobile version) and they seem to be able to unlock the bootloader and still support att bands. I know att and verizon tend to lock their phones down too tightly. Should I consider an international version (exynos), if so which version that supports both att and tmobile bands?
Does the exynos or snapdragon tend to have better unlocked bootloader/root support? I will probably just run a debloated stock firmware since I want s-pen support/etc.
Get the 910C (international exynos), 910T (tmobile snapdragon), or 910F (international snapdragon)?
Thanks
I have straight talk att service with my unlocked N910T and I wouldn't trade it for anything. I bought it specifically for the frredom that N910T offers just to unlock root and use with ST. The bootloaders are factory unlocked "for the most part". Meaning very open to to root and custom roms....but if you get one that has been updated to the latest 5.1.1 firmware (DOK2) you can't downgrade....at least as of right now...I did a lot of research on your question for myself and haven't regretted my decision not once since I bought it in january. But the question about exynos vs snapdragon is something that depends on the user...depends on what country you will use or whether it's just gonna be a phone to d OK root things to or if you plan on heavy gaming.....things like that
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So bottom line bud, I wouldn't go with anything else!!
I have the 910C & it's been great on AT&T Straight Talk. 910C got Marshmallow before the 910F did, which was great. Being an international model, there is no carrier bloatware, which is another plus.
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J0eggernaut said:
I currently have a LG G4 verizon edition. I am jumping to ATT so I need a new phone. I looked at the G5s but not much changed or is different than my current g4. I would jump to G4 gsm version but the boot loop issue is not something I want to risk. I need the phone to last a couple years. Note 4 seems comparable to G4.
Things I care about:
- Removeable battery
- SD Card
- IR blaster
- OIS
- unlocked bootloader for root access
- support both ATT and Tmobile bands
Note 4 seems to check all these off. I been reading about the 910T (snapdragon tmobile version) and they seem to be able to unlock the bootloader and still support att bands. I know att and verizon tend to lock their phones down too tightly. Should I consider an international version (exynos), if so which version that supports both att and tmobile bands?
Does the exynos or snapdragon tend to have better unlocked bootloader/root support? I will probably just run a debloated stock firmware since I want s-pen support/etc.
Get the 910C (international exynos), 910T (tmobile snapdragon), or 910F (international snapdragon)?
Thanks
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Exynos might suit you better since SP has some lagging issues after 10min of doing graphical work like gaming , but most devs support SP and not exynos so it depends on you , personally im more into flashing stuff and ask myself everyday "why did i buy exynos ??" , if you really love Exy you might want to take a look at the 3g model (N910H) if the battery life matters to you , GoodLuck
Thank you the feedback. Are any of the phones running on MM 6.0 able to be rooted/ have an unlocked bootloader? I feel like there is a good chance that if I buy a used phone it will be on the latest OTA. Does that mean the 910T is out of the question?
Do the 910C and 910F come with unlocked bootloaders? I don't really game. The 910C and 910F seem to be about $100 more than the 910T. I don't really have a preference for SP or Exy, just as long as I can unlock the bootloader and de-bloat and it will work on ATT/T-mobile.
J0eggernaut said:
Thank you the feedback. Are any of the phones running on MM 6.0 able to be rooted/ have an unlocked bootloader? I feel like there is a good chance that if I buy a used phone it will be on the latest OTA. Does that mean the 910T is out of the question?
Do the 910C and 910F come with unlocked bootloaders? I don't really game. The 910C and 910F seem to be about $100 more than the 910T. I don't really have a preference for SP or Exy, just as long as I can unlock the bootloader and de-bloat and it will work on ATT/T-mobile.
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Bootloader is unlocked(and locked )
Unlocked- You can flash same or newer ROM,recovery,etc etc
Locked- You cant downgrade to previous ROM(if u upgrade to last ROM you cant go back-except 6.0.1 it allow rollback to 5.1.1)
Ps : both N910c & N910F you can root without problems (even on 6.0.1)
Jovan1997 said:
Bootloader is unlocked(and locked )
Unlocked- You can flash same or newer ROM,recovery,etc etc
Locked- You cant downgrade to previous ROM(if u upgrade to last ROM you cant go back-except 6.0.1 it allow rollback to 5.1.1)
Ps : both N910c & N910F you can root without problems (even on 6.0.1)
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So once you go to MM 6.01 you cant downgrade to lollipop? I am fine with that. I can still flash roms/recovery/root on MM though right?
Seeing as you live state side and want to switch to AT&T. You are better off getting a Note 4 from AT&T as that way you will be sure to get full access to their LTE/4G bands without any problems. While getting either any of the international variants may not be able to support the use of AT&T's LTE/4G bands.
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Seeing as you live state side and want to switch to AT&T. You are better off getting a Note 4 from AT&T as that way you will be sure to get full access to their LTE/4G bands without any problems. While getting either any of the international variants may not be able to support the use of AT&T's LTE/4G bands.
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I checked the bands all the phones mentioned support ATT. ATT/Verizon phones tend to be locked down.
I think I am going with the 910T given that it supports band 12 (ac) which ATT now supports. Phones that support band 17 bc dont support band 12a. I am mostly in the states so I like the freedom to jump between tmobile or att and 910C doesn't support band 12 which is primarily used by tmobile.
If someone else stumbles across the thread maybe this will help:
910T (tmobile snap) lte bands: 2/3/4/5/8/12ac/17bc
910C (international exy) lte bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/17bc/20
910F (international snap) lte bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/17bc/20
910A (att snap) lte bands: 2/4/5/7/12ac/17bc
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J0eggernaut said:
I think I am going with the 910T or 910F given that it supports band 12 (ac) which ATT now supports. Phones that support band 17 bc dont support band 12a. I am mostly in the states so I like the freedom to jump between tmobile or att and 910C doesn't support band 12 which is primarily used by tmobile.
If someone else stumbles across the thread maybe this will help:
910T (tmobile snap) lte bands: 2/3/4/5/8/12ac/17bc
910C (international snap) lte bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/17bc/20
910F (international exy) lte bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12ac/17bc/18/19/20/26
910A (att snap) lte bands: 2/4/5/7/12ac/17bc
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Actually both the N910C and N910F support the use of the same LTE/4G Bands as they are both designed for the same international markets. However the N910C is the equipped with the Exynos 5433 while the N910F is equipped with the Snapdragon 805.
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Actually both the N910C and N910F support the use of the same LTE/4G Bands as they are both designed for the same international markets. However the N910C is the equipped with the Exynos 5433 while the N910F is equipped with the Snapdragon 805.
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Yep, I mixed up the C and F snapdragon vs exynos, my original post had it correct. I guess they do have the same bands, both missing band 12.
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Can a 910f board fit in a 910t frame and lcd? What boards can fit in a 910t? Tyvm
Snapdragon chipset has 4-core 2.7 GHz chipset, Exynos chipset has 4x1.9 GHz and 4x1.3 GHz 8-core hybrid chipset. Thus, benchmark results and performance are sided to Exynos. However, Snapdragon chipset has Cat. 6 LTE modem, Exynos has only Cat. 4. Thus in theory, Snapdragon allows to speed of 300 MBit/s, Exynos allows to only 150 MB/s. Major pluses and minors are these.
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Snapdragon chipset has 4-core 2.7 GHz chipset, Exynos chipset has 4x1.9 GHz and 4x1.3 GHz 8-core hybrid chipset. Thus, benchmark results and performance are sided to Exynos. However, Snapdragon chipset has Cat. 6 LTE modem, Exynos has only Cat. 4. Thus in theory, Snapdragon allows to speed of 300 MBit/s, Exynos allows to only 150 MB/s. Major pluses and minors are these.
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Please read my post above yours. Thanks
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Please read my post above yours. Thanks
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All Note 4 versions use same frame and LCD. I don't have full knowledge of deep details of frame,LCD or board change but it should work I say.
When the phone was first released, there were many tests done which showed a HUGE battery life advantage for the Exynos variant. I'm curious if there has been any more recent testing, say, since Nougat was released, or with more recent updates.
I want to get a 128GB dual sim S7 Edge, but I'd need to switch carriers if I move to Exynos, for technical reasons I'll explain below. If there's a huge battery life difference, I'll do that, but if recent software updates have closed the gap, I'd rather go with Snapdragon.
(Technical reasons: It's possible to enable WCDMA Band 6 on the Snapdragon variant. I live in Japan, in an area where I need WCDMA Band 6 for my carrier to work. There's no way to enable it on the Exynos variant, but there is another carrier which uses Band 8, which would work, but the other carrier does not have quite as good of service terms.)
I've had the sd820 for almost a year and cracked my screen so I got a g935f recently, I don't think theres enough difference to justify one over the other, I would just get the one more convient for you to get, unless you like rooting than definitely get the international version
I was just looking at the prices for the P10 Lite on Amazon and both the 3gb and 4gb RAM models are listed as International Versions. Does that mean it can't be used in the US?
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I was just looking at the prices for the P10 Lite on Amazon and both the 3gb and 4gb RAM models are listed as International Versions. Does that mean it can't be used in the US?
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Not necessarily. It may lack carrier features and it won't work on CDMA networks (Verizon and Sprint).
Remember to check the bands the phones support and compare it to the bands your network uses. You'll want all your network's bands to be supported for optimal performance and connectivity. It should still work even with a band or two missing but you may run into issues occasionally depending on what bands are missing.
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Not necessarily. It may lack carrier features and it won't work on CDMA networks (Verizon and Sprint).
Remember to check the bands the phones support and compare it to the bands your network uses. You'll want all your network's bands to be supported for optimal performance and connectivity. It should still work even with a band or two missing but you may run into issues occasionally depending on what bands are missing.
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I think I'm gonna go with the LG G5 RS988. It only has a quad-core processor and still out performs most phones, in it's price range, with octo-cores. It also runs on all three bands that MetroPCS uses. It destroys the P10 Lite in every category when comparing them side by side on GSMArena.
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I think I'm gonna go with the LG G5 RS988. It only has a quad-core processor and still out performs most phones, in it's price range, with octo-cores. It also runs on all three bands that MetroPCS uses. It destroys the P10 Lite in every category when comparing them side by side on GSMArena.
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Of course. LG G5 is a flagship device from last year, so it should be better than a budget phone. It's cheap now because of the poor sales.
I should note that you run the risk of bootloops which has plagued a lot of LG phones including the G5 I believe. Not trying to dissuade you but I feel like I should give you a heads up so you know what you're getting into (or potentially getting into).