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http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CX5P8FC...pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1770051702&pf_rd_i=507846
Just ordered an Amazon Fire TV, i have 2 Madcatz Mojo and a Ouya 16GB so look for a review comparing all 3 once it arrives on Friday. Close to the same hardware as the mojo but half the price... except its 8GB instead of 16GB for storage. Ouch!! I really hope mojo gets 4.4 and the ouya store before amazon tv gets rooted (its running android) else i'll be jumping ship.
Was just annouced. I just purchased 1 for testing.
Amazon Fire TV:
SOC: Qualcomm Snapdragon 8064
Network: Wifi and 100mb Ethernet
Storage: 8GB
RAM: 2GB
Price: $100
Ouya:
SOC: NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad-Core
Network: Wifi and 100mb Ethernet
Storage: 8GB
RAM: 1GB
Price: $100
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8064 vs NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad-Core
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-S4-Pro-(APQ8064)-vs-Nvidia-Tegra-3-(T33)
Madcatz Mojo:
SOC: NVIDIA Tegra 4 T40S
Network: Wifi and 100mb Ethernet
Storage: 16GB
RAM: 2GB
Price: $200
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8064 vs NVIDIA Tegra 4
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-S4-Pro-(APQ8064)-vs-Nvidia-Tegra-4
Interesting!
I'm 99.99% sure it's their flavor of android.
I like the tegra zone, just knowing anything there will work with no problems.. I'm sure they'll have something similar.
It blows the Ouya's 2012 hardware out of the water!
MOJO is still the best microconsole
T4, USB3, 16GB, BT4 and CTRLR!
And I think the killer feature for MOJO is en route:
GameStream!
Letting me wire into my network at home, and playing all my PC games (that have controller support of course) on my TV... that's what I dream from this little box (alongside its HTPC capabilities which are flawless right now).
mejdam said:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CX5P8FC...pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1770051702&pf_rd_i=507846
Just ordered an Amazon Fire TV, i have 2 Madcatz Mojo and a Ouya 16GB so look for a review comparing all 3 once it arrives on Friday. Close to the same hardware as the mojo but half the price... except its 8GB instead of 16GB for storage. Ouch!! I really hope mojo gets 4.4 and the ouya store before amazon tv gets rooted (its running android) else i'll be jumping ship.
Was just annouced. I just purchased 1 for testing.
Amazon Fire TV:
SOC: Qualcomm Snapdragon 8064
Network: Wifi and 100mb Ethernet
Storage: 8GB
RAM: 2GB
Price: $100
Ouya:
SOC: NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad-Core
Network: Wifi and 100mb Ethernet
Storage: 8GB
RAM: 1GB
Price: $100
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8064 vs NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad-Core
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-S4-Pro-(APQ8064)-vs-Nvidia-Tegra-3-(T33)
Madcatz Mojo:
SOC: NVIDIA Tegra 4 T40S
Network: Wifi and 100mb Ethernet
Storage: 16GB
RAM: 2GB
Price: $200
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8064 vs NVIDIA Tegra 4
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-S4-Pro-(APQ8064)-vs-Nvidia-Tegra-4
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The SoC in the Amazon Fire is basically a S600. The Tegra 4 is more powerful. If the Amazon Fire was an S800 it could have been more powerful but that's not the case. Also, don't forget to factor in the controlker which brings the Fire price up to 140 vs. 200 for the MOJO. The the better gaming/Android solution in this case is the MOJO in my opinion especially since it has Play Store capability and rooting to enable greater functionality is easy. Especially if you consider that you can easily install the amazon app store on the MOJO but there's no guarantee that the Play Store will ever come to the Amazon Fire (unofficially obviously). If you're more concerned with a streaming solution the Fire is a better option because of all the supported services. It also most likely has better multimedia support. On the other hand from what I read it doesn't have keyboard support at the moment.
So for gaming if you pay for the MOJO it's 60 dollars more and you get twice the storage, an "extra" USB port (if they ever update the OS to free it up) and somewhat more powerful hardware (the GPU is sometimes close two twice as pwerful, other times much less but still more powerful). And I know that on the HTC One Anomaly 2 drops frames which I'm guessing that on the MOJO it happens less or maybe not at all.
If a multimedia player is your priority the Fire is 100 dollars less (sans controller) has better audio codec support AND optical out (which is very important for some).
I think the Fire will be a better consumer experience but the MOJO will provide a better device for gamers and users (not necessarily the "power" ones) willing to put some effort into it (but unless MOJO puts more effort into the software it will never be a hassle free experience/solution).
For the MOJO T40S GPU performance benchmarks compared to the Adreno 320 in the S600 you can check out the Tegra note review on anandtech and compare with the google nexus 7 (2013) with its qualcomm processor. www.anandtech.com/show/7508/nvidia-tegra-note-7-review
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...........Also, don't forget to factor in the controlker which brings the Fire price up to 140 vs. 200 for the MOJO. The the better gaming/Android solution in this case is the MOJO in my opinion especially since it has Play Store capability and rooting to enable greater functionality is easy. Especially if you consider that you can easily install the amazon app store on the MOJO but there's no guarantee that the Play Store will ever come to the Amazon Fire (unofficially obviously). If you're more concerned with a streaming solution the Fire is a better option because of all the supported services. It also most likely has better multimedia support. On the other hand from what I read it doesn't have keyboard support at the moment......
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1) the amazon fire tv also comes with a standard remote that just isnt an option officially on the Mojo, maybe a Mele f10 ($20).
2) Even though Mojo has been "open" there really hasnt been much development. With the numbers that the fire tv is going to sell there will be more development once they achieve root. Koush has even gone on record and bought one.
Why is the Nvidia Shield faster then the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., and sometimes much faster, why do we not have the same Chip-set CPU/GPU?
Is so strange not to use the same speed CPU/GPU.
AmigaWolf said:
Why is the Nvidia Shield faster then the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., and sometimes much faster, why do we not have the same Chip-set CPU/GPU?
Is so strange not to use the same speed CPU/GPU.
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dont hijack the thread, please start your own thread.
AmigaWolf said:
Why is the Nvidia Shield faster then the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., and sometimes much faster, why do we not have the same Chip-set CPU/GPU?
Is so strange not to use the same speed CPU/GPU.
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Your MOJO can run at the same speed!
Just Overclock it a little bit, stand it horizontally.
Or you can overclock it a lot (2Ghz+) and put an USB fan underneath it, to blowing the hot air up.
PS: I haven't done any of this and don't recommend it... maybe in 2 years when the MOJO struggles to keep up
@mejdam
True, hacking community is small, but it's there
It's great that there's more 'microconsoles' more choice :good:
Especially from bigger players.
mejdam said:
dont hijack the thread, please start your own thread.
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What are you talking about?
You were talking about Ouya and Amazon Fire TV and the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. speed and specs differences, and i ask why the Nvidia Shield is
faster then the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. nothing more.
Get off your high horse please, will you.
Madcatz makes official Amazon Fire TV's controller?
WOW madcat have their 'claws' well into microconsoles!
MOJO, Ouya store and now Amazon's Fire TV's official controller?
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-04-02/amazons-fire-tv-piles-into-the-living-room
Owners can play games with either the remote control or Amazon’s Kindle Fire tablet. For customers who prefer a more traditional video-game experience, Amazon said it would separately sell a traditional game controller, manufactured by the San Diego-based Mad Catz Interactive (MCZ), for $40. “Millions of people have game consoles, of course, and they love them,” says Pete Larsen, an Amazon vice president. “Many, many millions more don’t have consoles, and they don’t have them because they can’t afford them or they don’t want to pay for them. They would love to play games on TV.”
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Looking at it, it does look a bit like the CTRLR (no switch mouse/PC modes), but with all the buttons/triggers/sticks and includes a microphone for voice search. Interesting angular body design too.
I recognise that Dpad anywhere!
http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/amazon-fire-tv-game-controller/
"AA batteries"
"Intelligent power management with auto-sleep."
Getting good reviews too:
http://www.amazon.com/Amazon-53-000...dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
@Mad Catz Nate, is it MOJO compatible? is it BT4?
mejdam said:
dont hijack the thread, please start your own thread.
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The Shield being the better overall device hijacks it by default
Faster
Better controller, plus the option of using what you want
Built in very good speakers
Oh, and it is portable with great battery life
For $200 getting both a home console and portable device.
Now THAT is hijacking
rushless said:
The Shield being the better overall device hijacks it by default
Faster
Better controller, plus the option of using what you want
Built in very good speakers
Oh, and it is portable with great battery life
For $200 getting both a home console and portable device.
Now THAT is hijacking
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Nice hijacking!
But the shield is NOT A MICRO-CONSOLE, it's a portable with TV out.. kinda like a tablet & a BYO controller, have fun setting that up every time!
Better controller.. hahah
The CTRLR can do what the shield does (being a portable) with a phone/tablet and do it better (fullsize controller, newer SoC's)
Faster.. lol it's the same SoC.. the mojo can be over clocked.. just put on it side and the heat raises.
How's your fan noise and your tinny 5inch screen?
Hey check out my 7inch CTRLR Shield killer!!!
I just ordered 2 more CTRLR's on amazon.. looking forward!
IMO the Shield will be remembered like the PSP-GO.. hahah yeah remember that one?
Sorry buddy, you picked the right race.. but you backed the wrong horse
I've been very pleased with my MOJO and enjoy all of it's capabilities thoroughly. MOJO is a better gaming console than the Fire and rooting it will not void any warranties. I never considered buying the Fire and bought the MOJO a week before it came out. As for the Shield, I looked into it a bit, but it didn't fit my needs. I needed a dedicated console for media, android gaming and emulation. This is where the MOJO fills all my needs. I have a tablet if I want a portable gaming device and the Shield would require another controller if plugged into the television. Hooking up and unhooking all the time wouldn't be all that desirable for my wall mounted television. The MOJO fits snuggly behind it out of view. We could go on and on about which device one thinks is better than another, but in the end I think it really depends on what you want to use your device for, and for me, the MOJO fills my needs.
gwaldo said:
Nice hijacking!
But the shield is NOT A MICRO-CONSOLE, it's a portable with TV out.. kinda like a tablet & a BYO controller, have fun setting that up every time!
Better controller.. hahah
The CTRLR can do what the shield does (being a portable) with a phone/tablet and do it better (fullsize controller, newer SoC's)
Faster.. lol it's the same SoC.. the mojo can be over clocked.. just put on it side and the heat raises.
How's your fan noise and your tinny 5inch screen?
Hey check out my 7inch CTRLR Shield killer!!!
I just ordered 2 more CTRLR's on amazon.. looking forward!
IMO the Shield will be remembered like the PSP-GO.. hahah yeah remember that one?
Sorry buddy, you picked the right race.. but you backed the wrong horse
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Sorry to say but the NVIDIA Shield is MUCH more popular then this (M.O.J.O.) device, just look at NewEgg.com and Amazone.com.
The NVIDIA Shield has a special made JoyPad Keymapper so that almost all the games works on it, the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. does not, so only a few
games work good, you have to use third party software to have JoyPad keymapping on the M.O.J.O., and they do not work as good as your own
keymapper software (App).
The NVIDIA Shield has Android 4.4 Kitkat, the M.O.J.O. does not have that, and there is still no news when we are getting it.
The NVIDIA Shield has a fan so he wil not get hot (or overheat) the M.O.J.O. does not have a fan and can get very hot, and can freeze every time, more
people has this problem: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2712067
On the NVIDIA Shield you can stream games from cloud (GRID CLOUD GAMING) is not on the M.O.J.O.
And i can go on and on, so he backed up the right horse.
gwaldo said:
Nice hijacking!
But the shield is NOT A MICRO-CONSOLE, it's a portable with TV out.. kinda like a tablet & a BYO controller, have fun setting that up every time!
Better controller.. hahah
The CTRLR can do what the shield does (being a portable) with a phone/tablet and do it better (fullsize controller, newer SoC's)
Faster.. lol it's the same SoC.. the mojo can be over clocked.. just put on it side and the heat raises.
How's your fan noise and your tinny 5inch screen?
Hey check out my 7inch CTRLR Shield killer!!!
I just ordered 2 more CTRLR's on amazon.. looking forward!
IMO the Shield will be remembered like the PSP-GO.. hahah yeah remember that one?
Sorry buddy, you picked the right race.. but you backed the wrong horse
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Actually, on top of AmigaWolf's points, Shield has a console mode to behave exactly like a console
1 Put in console mode
2 Plug up HDMI
3 Choose to use the Shield controller or the bluetooth controller of your choice. Mouse and keyboard too.
You do not even need to use console mode unless you want to use another controller.
Shield seems no contest compared to any current micro console due to the huge option of also being portable with great battery life. Also games that need some touch function can be mapped
to use the controllers with Shield. Apps like DrasticDS and other touch centric apps can be easily mapped, or just use the built in touch function with the display.
This horse won before the race started Very good $200 bet.
If a dedicated portable gaming devices is so great, why amazon/google/etc/etc not do one?
I think the market for dedicated portable gaming devices is becoming smaller thanks to mobiles/tablets.
They do what the shield does and better because they don't lock you in to the hardware, ie your 5inch screen on a T4.
Like I said the MOJO has a great controller which works on desktops and Android plus it has a holder for your phone/tablet (ie what shield does with better soc's).
@AmigaWolf your the only one on here TMK that had overheating issue.
NVIDIA has vast more experience working with android, MC doesn't.. so the kitkat/mapper, etc, etc delays is to be expected.
The shield is just a portable (with TV out) but not a micro-console.
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if the Shield 2 (K1) is not a hand-held portable but.... a micro-console!!!! yes like the MOJO, OUYA, FIRE etc, etc. lol
Edit: and bundled/optional with a MC controller like TV Fire
gwaldo said:
If a dedicated portable gaming devices is so great, why amazon/google/etc/etc not do one?
I think the market for dedicated portable gaming devices is becoming smaller thanks to mobiles/tablets.
They do what the shield does and better because they don't lock you in to the hardware, ie your 5inch screen on a T4.
Like I said the MOJO has a great controller which works on desktops and Android plus it has a holder for your phone/tablet (ie what shield does with better soc's).
@AmigaWolf your the only one on here TMK that had overheating issue.
NVIDIA has vast more experience working with android, MC doesn't.. so the kitkat/mapper, etc, etc delays is to be expected.
The shield is just a portable (with TV out) but not a micro-console.
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if the Shield 2 (K1) is not a hand-held portable but.... a micro-console!!!! yes like the MOJO, OUYA, FIRE etc, etc. lol
Edit: and bundled/optional with a MC controller like TV Fire
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Sorry to say but i can buy a great controller which works on desktops and Android plus it has a holder for your phone/tablet, like the Moga controllers, and
many more.
I am the only one which had overheating issue? have you seen my post, 3 other people have it on MY post, but i don't care, i gone go with a different
Android TV BOX (they payed back the money that the M.O.J.O. cost), and i think i gone go with the Android TV BOX that have a Rockchip RK3288, and
that chipset is gone have a ARM Cortex-A17 2.0GHz processor and Mali T628 GPU and it has H.265/HEVC support for 4K2K videos, and HDMI 2.0 for 4K
@ 60 fps video output, and Gigabit Ethernet.
But this (M.O.J.O.) would be a great Android TV BOX if it had also a remote controller, and a ON and OFF button, and Read and Write support for NTFS
formatted Hard drives, and XBMC preinstalled like the Tronsmart Vega S89, that has Dolby Digital (AC3) 5.1 and DTS 5.1 and DTS-HD HRA 5.1 and
DTS-HD MA 5.1 HDMI passthrough.
And of cores a control mapper like the NVIDIA SHIELD, with the NVIDIA SHIELD it automatically downloads the mapped controls for that particular game.
Now it is just a Half-baked Android TV BOX, and you have to do to much to get everything working, and a lot of Apps won't work because you first have to
Root him, and thats to hard to do for the normal people that just don't know how all that work, they just want to buy a machine that has everything already,
now it's to much work, and thats also one of the biggest reason most people won't buy this Android TV BOX.
If that all was made correct the first time, this Android TV BOX would be a great BOX.
Mad Catz could have learned so much from NVIDIA Shield if they just looked and waited how they have done it.
The Shield is not even in the same category. You are talking about a portable handheld with a screen, batteries that are not replacable (or easily replacable) and it is not a set top box. Did you buy the Shield yet by the way? I hope so. This way you can migrate to the Shield forums and whine about the issues with that device
Oh no, I see you went with a Rockchip device instead. I see why you are so upset now.....I feel for you. That chipset sucks. You are probably able to do one third of what you can do with a Tegra device. You are not relying on that thing on a daily basis, are you? Just don't push it that hard and you might be able to use it to play some MP3 files.
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The Shield is not even in the same category. You are talking about a portable handheld with a screen, batteries that are not replacable (or easily replacable) and it is not a set top box. Did you buy the Shield yet by the way? I hope so. This way you can migrate to the Shield forums and whine about the issues with that device
Oh no, I see you went with a Rockchip device instead. I see why you are so upset now.....I feel for you. That chipset sucks. You are probably able to do one third of what you can do with a Tegra device. You are not relying on that thing on a daily basis, are you? Just don't push it that hard and you might be able to use it to play some MP3 files.
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I know it's hard to hear the truth, i feel for you i really do.
Thank you very much for your kind words:silly:
OP can you test the amazon remote that comes with the fire TV on the mojo and ouya? I'm looking to get either the mojo or ouya after sending my fire TV back but would like to know if the simplified remote will work with either one. I wouldn't want to use the controller for media playback also to keep it simple for the kids to use.
There are many reasons to buy the device, but here are some of the highlights:
1. Runs stock Android. Not some heavily secured or modified version as seen on the FireTV, Ouya, etc
2. Rooting does NOT void your warranty. The company (Mad Catz) actually EMBRACES it!
3. It is bar non the most powerful Android set top box available today. No other cheap knockoff compares.
4. It contains the well renowned Nvidia Tegra 4 processor and all of the power that comes with it.
5. The controller is a nice, solid piece of equipment equivalent to a Xbox 360 controller
6. It has USB 3.0 (very few tv boxes have this)
7. It handles a slew of addons. I have a 7-port USB 3 hub, 2TB hard drive, two USB controllers, wireless mouse and keyboard.
8. It's more than just a game console. It has literally become my PC. It is that powerful!
9. It has nothing to do with "Amiga and Wolves". Actually, there is a UAE emulator, so it does have something to do with the Amiga...so that is ok. As long as it has nothing to do with the prior
10. It is priced *right* at $199. Once you realize how versatile this device is, it is a bargain. I almost want a second one as a spare, but will wait to see if any K1 boxes come out in the future.
There are many more reasons of course, but that is my top ten list. Great device!
I agree..
But lately I bought my second CTRLR and would say that the CTRLR is actually the best part of MOJO!
As time goes on, others are catching up with the mojo's specs... while the CTRLR is really unique.
Im no order:
1. Travel clip for your mobile (better then the shield IMHO)
2. Mouse mode is really excellent, especially compared to other consoles that dont have it
3. PC/Mac gamepad, including mouse mood.. I use mine as a wireless mouse and yes media keys work!
4. Great battery life and AAA is good because i have rechargables for remotes
5. Excellent build quality
6. Media keys.. Works great and i can use then without looking
7. BT4 ready for new devices
I think the MOJO is a good stational alternative to Shield but then the price is a little high cuz you get the same hardware in a mobile device for the same price.
If they would reduce the price to at least $150, I'd think about buying one to replace my Ouya.
Honestly, I've stopped using mine. I'll sell it for $150. It's rooted, of course.
ExtremeRyno said:
Honestly, I've stopped using mine. I'll sell it for $150. It's rooted, of course.
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Can I ask why you stopped using your MOJO? Just curious.
Gaming is the main reason why you should buy a MOJO. Great for emulation and certain android games. The selection of games isn't bad, I mean how many android games can you play at a time? There is plenty of material of solid games that can take up quite a bit of time. Media playback is mediocre for me. Price is too high for what you get. I agree with gwaldo, the controller is awesome. If kit Kat comes and ouya store comes and some bug fixes come, i'd say its a great system. I would however need a replacement if I were to get rid of it, because I love the android on big screen and mojo does well with it overall. It's by far my fastest android I have. Just needs some fine tuning and I hope it comes
I wanted a streaming media giant that played all my console games... The experience is less than ideal streaming media-wise with the MOJO. I dunno...I still use it for game emulation sometimes, but it has been at least a month. I love the controller, though.
I actually bought a Note PRO 12.2, and since then I spend more time on it than any other device. I have it paired with a keyboard and controller so it does everything I wanted the MOJO for except Tegra 4...which I am living without. It's like having my own TV and my wife can't change the show on Netflix or make me turn my game off. The SPen is the icing on the cake, really.
Shield is Awesome !!! But it still doesn't completely replace my Mojo. The Mojo still can download many games not available on Shield. My only complaint with the Shield is that the base model only allows installing applications to Micro SD card only. No native support for installing to USB drives.
I love my mojo, got it on sale for 103.99 from madcatz sale ends in 3 days by the way.
The shield is just so dam powerfull! X1 specs blow my mind. The shield has 2 usb 3.0 ports which I am sure will in the furture be used for external hard drives just like the ouya. Which is why I am getting the 16gb flash model. That way I will be able to use whatever external drive I please. If you get the 500gb model, sure you have alot of room right away, but if your hard drive fails it is not user replaceable. The 16gb model should have a longer life span since the only moving part is one fan. I hope for ouya sake, that nvidia incorporates ouya everywhere, it would be great for them. After all they where the first android tv system as far as I know.
If you could root the shield without voiding warranty then it would have it all.
If the shield does well, which I think it will. It might be the end of normal game consoles.
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Shield is Awesome !!! But it still doesn't completely replace my Mojo. The Mojo still can download many games not available on Shield. My only complaint with the Shield is that the base model only allows installing applications to Micro SD card only. No native support for installing to USB drives.
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Can you use the CTRLR on the shield, i'm sure you can.. it would be weired...
How's the shield's controller compared to the mojo's?
I'm sure it's been rooted by now lol
I stopped looking into shield when i found out that there's no sata cable plug :crying:
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subcreep said:
I love my mojo, got it on sale for 103.99 from madcatz sale ends in 3 days by the way.
The shield is just so dam powerfull! X1 specs blow my mind. The shield has 2 usb 3.0 ports which I am sure will in the furture be used for external hard drives just like the ouya. Which is why I am getting the 16gb flash model. That way I will be able to use whatever external drive I please. If you get the 500gb model, sure you have alot of room right away, but if your hard drive fails it is not user replaceable. The 16gb model should have a longer life span since the only moving part is one fan. I hope for ouya sake, that nvidia incorporates ouya everywhere, it would be great for them. After all they where the first android tv system as far as I know.
If you could root the shield without voiding warranty then it would have it all.
If the shield does well, which I think it will. It might be the end of normal game consoles.
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lol ouya? you mean razer lol
They sold out to razer last week.. i think they'll be coming out with a console.... a budget version of the shield..
Actually, I called it months ago, that ouya would be bought out by a microconsole vendor.
The 500gb model is the better option, unless the 16GB has been hacked to support a harddrive.
Drives don't tend to malfunction when in a stationary state. :silly:
gwaldo said:
Can you use the CTRLR on the shield, i'm sure you can.. it would be weired...
How's the shield's controller compared to the mojo's?
I'm sure it's been rooted by now lol
I stopped looking into shield when i found out that there's no sata cable plug :crying:
I did not try the Mojo controller on Shield but I am sure it will work. I still like the Mojo controller for overall function but the Shield controller is awesome in its own right. They have rooted it.
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lol ouya? you mean razer lol
They sold out to razer last week.. i think they'll be coming out with a console.... a budget version of the shield..
Actually, I called it months ago, that ouya would be bought out by a microconsole vendor.
The 500gb model is the better option, unless the 16GB has been hacked to support a harddrive.
Drives don't tend to malfunction when in a stationary state. :silly:
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They say the upcoming Android M is supposed to address the storage issues with Android. Again I am not going to hold my breath. Ouya to me is still the only microconsole that has the storage question right.
I can install games via usb 3.0 external drive on my shield Tv. I use to do the same thing on my WiiU and they ran just as well externally as they did if installed on the internal.
I got the 16gig model because it is cheaper to get a external and if it breaks I can replace it my self. The 500gig drive model is not replaceable if it fails, you can't replace it your self.
Android Tv is the easiest system to surf thru on a tv, plus it runs like hot butter on the shield tv.
Hello fellow Humans,
I ordered my shield TV this weekend directly from nvidia and should get it this week! :victory:
I was wondering if there is something I should do like avoiding updates that block rooting or something like that. I know that on Amazon's Fire TV and sticks rooting is not possible due to updates.... is there maybe anything else like Hardware related that I should keep an eye on? When it comes to the Shield TV I'm a total noob. I would simply like to know what I definitely should and shouldn't do.
chieco said:
Hello fellow Humans,
I ordered my shield TV this weekend directly from nvidia and should get it this week! :victory:
I was wondering if there is something I should do like avoiding updates that block rooting or something like that. I know that on Amazon's Fire TV and sticks rooting is not possible due to updates.... is there maybe anything else like Hardware related that I should keep an eye on? When it comes to the Shield TV I'm a total noob. I would simply like to know what I definitely should and shouldn't do.
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Standard or Pro model?
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Standard or Pro model?
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I got the 16gb Ver. because I own a NAS for all my media files. so I thought I won't need a 500gb drive. Apps I believe I won't install many of them. And besides doesn't it have a micro sd card slot + 2 USB ports... they have a promotion going on right now (at least in Germany) where i got the remote for free. So Shield TV and the remote for 199€ which is still expensive but that seems to be the price for the best Hardware u can get. Also big part on me deciding to get the Shield TV was the headphone jack on the remote and controller for private listening. Do you think I made a mistake by choosing the Standard Ver.? Also what do you think about the headphone jack does it work perfect or are there any issues?
chieco said:
I got the 16gb Ver. because I own a NAS for all my media files. so I thought I won't need a 500gb drive. Apps I believe I won't install many of them. And besides doesn't it have a micro sd card slot + 2 USB ports... they have a promotion going on right now (at least in Germany) where i got the remote for free. So Shield TV and the remote for 199€ which is still expensive but that seems to be the price for the best Hardware u can get. Also big part on me deciding to get the Shield TV was the headphone jack on the remote and controller for private listening. Do you think I made a mistake by choosing the Standard Ver.? Also what do you think about the headphone jack does it work perfect or are there any issues?
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I think the free remote is being offered everywhere. Yes the 16 gig is probably fine if you're not a heavy gamer. I don't have access to the 500GB hard drive which makes it somewhat useless and it also might be one of the recall unites. The headset seems to work fine I would love to try it with a microphone if they had any multiplayer android games.
chieco said:
I got the 16gb Ver. because I own a NAS for all my media files. so I thought I won't need a 500gb drive. Apps I believe I won't install many of them. And besides doesn't it have a micro sd card slot + 2 USB ports... they have a promotion going on right now (at least in Germany) where i got the remote for free. So Shield TV and the remote for 199€ which is still expensive but that seems to be the price for the best Hardware u can get. Also big part on me deciding to get the Shield TV was the headphone jack on the remote and controller for private listening. Do you think I made a mistake by choosing the Standard Ver.? Also what do you think about the headphone jack does it work perfect or are there any issues?
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I have the 16 GB also and have have a NAS like you, with 11 TB in it The shield does have a MicroSD and and two USB ports so you can add TONS of external storage, also Marshmallow (whenever Nvidia finally releases it) will suppport external storage as native storage, you can already store stuff on the MicroSD but not on the HDD. I currently have a 64 GB MicroSD and a 500 GB HDD connected to mine, I have a bunch of ROMs on the external HDD for RetroArch. Even though the Shield is touted as a gaming machine, I rarely play games on it, not because it sucks at gaming, mostly because I don't find a lot of the indie games that interesting and I find the Steam and GeForce experience apps useless for me since my PC is literally right next to my TV, so an HDMI connection to my TV from my PC is far better than going throught the Shield. Nvidia GameStream is pretty cool though and as cheap as Netflix, but once again there aren't a lot of interesting titles to me. I mostly just use it for Netflix and Kodi.
IMO root doesn't really add much to it, I took the plunge and rooted my first one (The v1.4 update bricked it) and then was like "now what?" there aren't really any custom kernels for it (that I know of, haven't really been active in this section in a while) and it lacks a lot of the normal root apps that one would find in the play store. If you want to use "normal" Android then that's a different story, I put normal Android on mine....and hated it. I'm perfectly happy with it using the stock Android TV build, which is extremely odd because I usually immediately root and flash a custom ROM to any Android device I get. Also getting into the bootloader/recovery menu is a MAJOR pain in the a$$ since there aren't any physical buttons on it, just the single capacitive button on top and you have to do a morse code-like tapping of that button to get into the recovery from a cold boot. Most annoying thing ever.
The only gripe I have with the Shield is that there isn't an on/off switch on the controller so I have to charge mine like every other day or so because it constantly stays on when I'm not using it. It seems to have a mind of it's own because sometimes it will stay on for an hour when untouched, other times it will turn off after 10 minutes of not being used.
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Marshmallow (whenever Nvidia finally releases it) will suppport external storage as native storage, you can already store stuff on the MicroSD but not on the HDD
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yeah saw that advertised in the official nvidia announcement video on youtube.
I currently have a 64 GB MicroSD
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was also planing to put my good old 64gb microsd card from my note 3 days in there which currently isn't used.
Even though the Shield is touted as a gaming machine, I rarely play games on it
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I also don't plan on gaming on it very much. I heard someone in a unboxing video mentioning that there is a Free 3 Months trail for their game streaming service maybe I use that trail but after looking up the titles online doesn't seem that much interesting.
Maybe some psx, psp, gamecube/wii emulation.
I mostly just use it for Netflix and Kodi.
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Yes Kodi was the reason why I got the Shield. I wanted the best possible experience for it.
IMO root doesn't really add much to it
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My main question regarding was that I was wondering if there is a certain FW or Build or something that would block all rooting. Right now I can't think of a reason for rooting the Shield but who knows maybe some App in the future needs root access.
Would I be out of luck if I would update my Shield to the most up to date FW? I would like to know. Or does it not matter on which FW I am and still root my Shield even with future updates?
I doubt anything would block root on it, Nvidia and Google seem to be pretty open about hacking it, they seem to treat it like a Nexus device (they provide system images for it and the bootloader is easily unlockable via the standard method) so I wouldn't really be worried about losing root in the future. We'll probably be seeing some new awesome games for it in the near future since Vulkan was officially released a few days ago (it's a low-overhead, bare metal, cross-platform GPU API) and Nvidia has already implemented it, along with Google and Valve (Steam).
I just ordered one as well. I'm currently using a Nexus Player, and it's not too bad, I just can't help knowing I'll have better results with everything with 3 gb vs 1 gb of ram. Having said that, I've used all of them at this point, and unlocking/rooting this will be closer to unlocking a Google device than the amazon fire. Unlocking that was one ridiculous task. The upside to rooting would be the ability to side load some apps and others like ad away, which could help out with folder apps (for example, EXFile explorer) and Youtube.
I just recently picked up a Darcy (love it). I got it for $169 w/ controller and remote, so it was a good deal which is why I didn't buy the Pro at $299. It's now time for me to add adoptable storage and I'm trying to figure out which route to go. I'm looking at a 500GB Samsung T5 USB 3.1 SSD for $169 which is also a great deal. Read/Write speeds at 540MB but how much of that speed am I going to see on Android? If I get half of that I'd be happy. A 256GB USB 3 Patriot Flash Drive is $115 with speed of 400MB/200MB - read/write. (Which I doubt I'll see even close to that). So technically the price per GB is better with the SSD. But will the Shield utilize any of these options at their potential? Perhaps I'd be better off going with a USB 3 hdd if it weren't for the fact that I don't want to hear it spin when things are quiet. Can someone tell me based on their setup with a USB 3 SSD what it's actually read/write is on a Shield? I could really use some advice based on personal experience here. Thanks.
I'm using a SanDisk 128gb USB 3.1 drive as internal storage and a 1tb Toshiba external HD USB 3.1.
I didn't test the read write speeds but I had both installed since February and no issues for me.
On the USB adapted as internal obviously the mainb programs are installed there.
On the external HD I have all my Roms from Spectrum to all the SEGA console, PSP, PS, Nintendo etc and this never affects performance of Emulation from what I can tell.
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Anybody out there with a USB 3 SSD?
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I'm using a SanDisk 128gb USB 3.1 drive as internal storage and a 1tb Toshiba external HD USB 3.1.
I didn't test the read write speeds but I had both installed since February and no issues for me.
On the USB adapted as internal obviously the mainb programs are installed there.
On the external HD I have all my Roms from Spectrum to all the SEGA console, PSP, PS, Nintendo etc and this never affects performance of Emulation from what I can tell.
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did you eventually benchmark the speed of your disk?
A1 SD Bench is a great tool as it works with remote
DJarkIV said:
I just recently picked up a Darcy (love it). I got it for $169 w/ controller and remote, so it was a good deal which is why I didn't buy the Pro at $299. It's now time for me to add adoptable storage and I'm trying to figure out which route to go. I'm looking at a 500GB Samsung T5 USB 3.1 SSD for $169 which is also a great deal. .
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You have indeed made a wise purchase and even more so with not purchasing the pro.
Your setup is perfect and with the T5 used as adoptive storage mixed ...Your machine vs the pro version now become`s a Beast compared to the pro .
You have far greater performance and also the added bonus of pure flexibility. The best of both worlds.
You can use the Samsung T5 as both adoptive and also a separate storage hard drive. Take a look at the threads below and set up the USB SSD as a mixed drive via SM command. You can do any combination you need . So effectively you will have 2: partitions on the SSD-T5 ..... 1 : for adoptive storage and 1: for everything else, via the mixed option and in any capacity you prefer.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...speedy-ideas-and-adoptable-drive-decryption-/
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...reasing-your-storage-in-android-7-0-nougat/7/
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You have indeed made a wise purchase and even more so with not purchasing the pro.
Your setup is perfect and with the T5 used as adoptive storage mixed ...Your machine vs the pro version now become`s a Beast compared to the pro .
You have far greater performance and also the added bonus of pure flexibility. The best of both worlds.
You can use the Samsung T5 as both adoptive and also a separate storage hard drive. Take a look at the threads below and set up the USB SSD as a mixed drive via SM command. You can do any combination you need . So effectively you will have 2: partitions on the SSD-T5 ..... 1 : for adoptive storage and 1: for everything else, via the mixed option and in any capacity you prefer.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...speedy-ideas-and-adoptable-drive-decryption-/
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...reasing-your-storage-in-android-7-0-nougat/7/
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Hey thanks, for the info. That will come in handy because I can use the other partition to duel boot into a sock nougat ROM. Zulu wrote a guide online how to use Flashify to boot sock Android from an external SSD while keeping Nvidia experience on the main 16GB internal storage. Also not sure if you know but if you're rooted you can take the 6.3 OTA and it will, to my surprise, validate and install. You will loose root but only need to flash SuperSU or Magisk again and you're back to normal.
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Hey thanks, for the info. That will come in handy because I can use the other partition to duel boot into a sock nougat ROM. Zulu wrote a guide online how to use Flashify to boot sock Android from an external SSD while keeping Nvidia experience on the main 16GB internal storage. .
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Hi mate, Any further info on this Zulu ROM and installation and where to find such info (reliable links) would be greatly appreciated.
I like the sound of this duel boot setup.
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polosolo said:
Hi mate, Any further info on this Zulu ROM and installation and where to find such info (reliable links) would be greatly appreciated.
I like the sound of this duel boot setup.
Best Regards,
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Here ya go, https://www.google.com/amp/s/androidtv.news/2016/08/dual-boot-android-android-tv/amp/
On that page is the basic concept, a link to a video of it being done and a link to the instructions. It's not the easiest thing to do but you will ultimately be using Flashify to switch the kernel at will which upon reboot will select the partition that boots up. I personally have not done this yet but I know it's been confirmed working and plan on trying it myself down the line. I just updated to 6.3 so i will have to wait for the factory images to be released before attempting it. Best of luck.
Thank you for the info.. .I have had my shield since Jan 2nd and it is still residing in the box unopened .
I am still unsure which way to go , So this is a process I will keep in mind and bookmark for future reference when a eventually find the time to setup.
Thanks again for your time and help.
Best Regards,
polosolo said:
Thank you for the info.. .I have had my shield since Jan 2nd and it is still residing in the box unopened .
I am still unsure which way to go , So this is a process I will keep in mind and bookmark for future reference when a eventually find the time to setup.
Thanks again for your time and help.
Best Regards,
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I can tell you right now that Android TV ROM is the way to go as the daily driver. The stock ROM is great for all your entertainment needs, stable and easily controlled with the remote. Full Android ROM is fun to toy with or secondary boot to if you don't mind using a keyboard/mouse to control it. It's obviously not meant for TV's. My only gripe about Android TV is the lack of apps supported or made compatible for it so the play store is limited. But if you root you can run Titanium backup, install BusyBox if needed (etc). Chrome browser also works (you'll have to get outside of play store but once installed it will update via play store), various file explorers and Aptoid for all the apps you can't find on play store. Basically, where there is a will there is a way. Have fun.
DJarkIV said:
I can tell you right now that Android TV ROM is the way to go as the daily driver. The stock ROM is great for all your entertainment needs, stable and easily controlled with the remote. Full Android ROM is fun to toy with or secondary boot to if you don't mind using a keyboard/mouse to control it. It's obviously not meant for TV's. My only gripe about Android TV is the lack of apps supported or made compatible for it so the play store is limited. But if you root you can run Titanium backup, install BusyBox if needed (etc). Chrome browser also works (you'll have to get outside of play store but once installed it will update via play store), various file explorers and Aptoid for all the apps you can't find on play store. Basically, where there is a will there is a way. Have fun.
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Yes I agree, there is no need to try custom roms, despite that I like to play with such things.
I am in the Nvidia Beta programme so that is good reason to stay on official release too.
I have a problem that Chrome does not update from the Play store for me. it gets stuck on continuously downloading so I had to disable auto-update as it blocks all my apps from updating.
Aptoide should update your apps without a hitch. I use it most of the time with my 16gig Shield TV, and another really good one is ACMARKET! They have a modded app section, unlocked apps, no ads, or unlim gold, money, fuel in games etc.
I came here while researching if the Shield TV supports UASP? Can anyone confirm Y/N? I don't think it would make a difference with the Shield TV anyway. The external USB 3.0 case supports it and the SSD is fast enough. Thanks in advance =)
Check out TeaTV and FreeFlix HQ, they are great! ACMARKET has ad free versions too. I use a lightly used ($300 pawnshop bought) Epson EX-9200 Pro wireless in the bedroom with the Shield TV. 120" image on the wall with three coats of a HomeDepot gray, matallic PPG paint. Older $15 GoodWill Yamaha RX-V665 receiver under the bed with a Walmart $5 (clearance section) blue tooth adapter lol. $5 GoodWill Insignia NS-HT51 10" powered sub and cheap common Sony 10" powerswered Sub also from GW for $10 under the bed. 5 RCA surround speakers (not my favorite brand, but does the trick) from GW for $9. Cheap mismatched audio BUT kicks and is loud when nessary =) IF I had a hefty income, I would probably have BOSE everywhere or similar high end. For what I paid for everything though, it sure beats a 55 or 65" TV in the bdrm... I will be striping the paint form the area the projector hits and redoing it with an electric handheld spreyer and even better metallic paint in the future to remove the roller hotspots, picture frame it and add inexpensive wireless remote LED moodlighting strips behind the framing trim. Sorry I got carried away, I enjoy sharing good ideas...
Has anyone done read and write speed tests in MB/s?
shaunydub said:
I'm using a SanDisk 128gb USB 3.1 drive as internal storage and a 1tb Toshiba external HD USB 3.1.
I didn't test the read write speeds but I had both installed since February and no issues for me.
On the USB adapted as internal obviously the mainb programs are installed there.
On the external HD I have all my Roms from Spectrum to all the SEGA console, PSP, PS, Nintendo etc and this never affects performance of Emulation from what I can tell.
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I am a new Shield user and discovered adding an external drive as internal means the internal storage is no longer used. Do you know that an external SSD over USB 3.0 is as fast as the internal memory? I have the 16 GB Shield and I have a spare SSD that is not a super fast one, but of course most any SSD is faster than a spin drive.
Yeah, I don't have a spare ssd though and it's a bit overkill for me.
My emulators work just fine from the normal HD.
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