So Im going to root my phone and havent flashed a ROM in a while and was wondering what is the best Google Pixel XL or Google Pixel ROM that is out. Any help is appreciated.
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So Im going to root my phone and havent flashed a ROM in a while and was wondering what is the best Google Pixel XL or Google Pixel ROM that is out. Any help is appreciated.
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PureNexus ROM is really good with battery life and even the stability. Give it a shot and also most of the Google Pixel features are already baked into this ROM. Hope you get what you are excited about
I didn't like Pure Nexus and would have recommended Cortex instead but the last two builds have been buggy--although I think a lot of that has to do with the monthly Google image the rom is built upon since similar image based roms are reporting similar issues--mainly with battery drain. I would have recommended Megapixel instead but that hasn't been updated since December. You might be stuck with Pure Nexus but since it is an Aesop based rom rather than based on the Google monthly image Google Assistant doesn't work properly for some people or stops working properly after a time. One good thing about Cortex is that GA works perfectly. I wish I had a better recommendation for you than Pure Nexus which I think is overrated but I'm still on January build of Cortex because of problems with the February and March builds. Good luck.
I tried pure nexus a couple of times. It's stable, and for me assistant have worked perfect all time.
Somehow I didn't like the Rom as much as megapixel. Cortex is buggy and I don't install it again, I have tried it 3-4 times.
I'm about to try resurrection remix now, worth a look. It comes with pixel launcher also, and having a ton of customisation.
Edit: After trying Resurrection Remix, I quickly removed it and went back to pure nexus.
I can understand that people love RR,I really do.. IF you love customization. Im not that into this stuff.
But for me, it's way too much and simply confusing. Of course, you can use the Rom without using the customisation, but then it loose some of it point I think. Pure nexus would be my number 1 recommendation.
I personally found Pure Nexus to be the most problematic rom I ever installed on any phone I have ever owned. I can't fathom why that rom is so popular. People who post problems to the forums are very frequently running Pure Nexus but always assume that whatever problem they are having has nothing to do with the rom. Unfortunately most of the devs seem to have abandoned ship where the 6P is concerned and there are only a small handful of roms still being updated. If you run Pure Nexus I hope you have a better experience than I did the two times I tried running it but if you start having issues with your phone after you flash it the problem is with the rom. Pure Nexus slowed down my phone compared to stock, caused battery drain compared to stock, caused multiple apps to crash repeatedly--and when I tried to get support all I got was attacked.
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I personally found Pure Nexus to be the most problematic rom I ever installed on any phone I have ever owned. I can't fathom why that rom is so popular. People who post problems to the forums are very frequently running Pure Nexus but always assume that whatever problem they are having has nothing to do with the rom. Unfortunately most of the devs seem to have abandoned ship where the 6P is concerned and there are only a small handful of roms still being updated. If you run Pure Nexus I hope you have a better experience than I did the two times I tried running it but if you start having issues with your phone after you flash it the problem is with the rom. Pure Nexus slowed down my phone compared to stock, caused battery drain compared to stock, caused multiple apps to crash repeatedly--and when I tried to get support all I got was attacked.
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Oh well... I really don't understand what's your point in telling someone that a ROM is so bad and that people who answered you in a ROM thread "attacked" you/your ports... Don't get me wrong, this is not a tribute i'm making here to PureNexus, nor am i trying to persude OP to choose it over another ROM... I see only 4 post from you in PN thread reporting issues. Your 1st post seems to have been ignored... Most likely because people never had such issues?! Also with adaway which i myself never had any issue using it... Here 3 users just answered, telling you they don't have issues with PN + AdAway. I don't see any attack here, do you? Finally you ended with reinstalling stock for testing purpose as kindly suggested by another user. And it seems like you weren't offended in any way since you even added a smile in the end of your post stating it resolved your issue!
Now telling someone a ROM is the worst of all simply because you didn't find your happiness is kind of offending and attacking regarding all the work @BeansTown106 puts in his ROM and for the community. Did you ever read one of the best XDA proverb that say: "logcat or it didn't happen" ? Proper logs are the least you can do when you report issues. Considering you're a member since nearly 2 years with ~ 600 posts, i think you should know that. At least, you could have asked for support from the developer.
Sorry OP, i'm kind of off topic here...
Now on topic... Yeah i do run PureNexus! And i never felt the need to swith to another ROM since. Well... Just because it works well for me doesn't mean it will work well for another user... Although normally it should, just like any other ROM on this forum!
About MegaPixel ROM, the developer's N6P is dead and he's going to upgrade to a Pixel, so no more update
I don't know about other ROMs. But since you only had two opinions, you'd better read through the developers forum and try installing a few ROMs for comparaison purpose. And if you don't like one, you can always switch to another one! At least you'll test by yourself and you'll see if it really suits your needs! :good:
Hey OP I definitely recommend PURE NEXUS or the NITROGEN OS rom.
Nitrogen OS + Flash kernel.
Pure Nexus also has an incredible user base with a ton of folks that help answer questions. I've been a PN user fairy consistently through two nexus phones. I also like Resurrection Remix.
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I personally found Pure Nexus to be the most problematic rom I ever installed on any phone I have ever owned. I can't fathom why that rom is so popular. People who post problems to the forums are very frequently running Pure Nexus but always assume that whatever problem they are having has nothing to do with the rom. Unfortunately most of the devs seem to have abandoned ship where the 6P is concerned and there are only a small handful of roms still being updated. If you run Pure Nexus I hope you have a better experience than I did the two times I tried running it but if you start having issues with your phone after you flash it the problem is with the rom. Pure Nexus slowed down my phone compared to stock, caused battery drain compared to stock, caused multiple apps to crash repeatedly--and when I tried to get support all I got was attacked.
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It sound strange. I have never had one crash and i don't have any battery drain either. In fact, my first cycle gave me over 5 hours sot, and have no wake up or other problem.
RR is as far as i know also a good ROM, but under set process i got serious lag,both times i installed this ROM. But once set up, it runs fine. But for my taste, way to much settings and customisation. If you like all that stuff, RR is maybe the way to go. PN have nice customisation also, but not too much.
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Oh well... I really don't understand what's your point in telling someone that a ROM is so bad and that people who answered you in a ROM thread "attacked" you/your ports... Don't get me wrong, this is not a tribute i'm making here to PureNexus, nor am i trying to persude OP to choose it over another ROM... I see only 4 post from you in PN thread reporting issues. Your 1st post seems to have been ignored... Most likely because people never had such issues?! Also with adaway which i myself never had any issue using it... Here 3 users just answered, telling you they don't have issues with PN + AdAway. I don't see any attack here, do you? Finally you ended with reinstalling stock for testing purpose as kindly suggested by another user. And it seems like you weren't offended in any way since you even added a smile in the end of your post stating it resolved your issue!
Now telling someone a ROM is the worst of all simply because you didn't find your happiness is kind of offending and attacking regarding all the work @BeansTown106 puts in his ROM and for the community. Did you ever read one of the best XDA proverb that say: "logcat or it didn't happen" ? Proper logs are the least you can do when you report issues. Considering you're a member since nearly 2 years with ~ 600 posts, i think you should know that. At least, you could have asked for support from the developer.
Sorry OP, i'm kind of off topic here...
Now on topic... Yeah i do run PureNexus! And i never felt the need to swith to another ROM since. Well... Just because it works well for me doesn't mean it will work well for another user... Although normally it should, just like any other ROM on this forum!
About MegaPixel ROM, the developer's N6P is dead and he's going to upgrade to a Pixel, so no more update
I don't know about other ROMs. But since you only had two opinions, you'd better read through the developers forum and try installing a few ROMs for comparaison purpose. And if you don't like one, you can always switch to another one! At least you'll test by yourself and you'll see if it really suits your needs! :good:
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I tried Pure Nexus two separate times and it was lousy both times. It's a wildly overrated rom. People claim its not buggy yet if you read through the forum people talk about bugs on pretty much every single build of the rom. I've run many roms on many phones and honestly nothing perplexes me as much as the popularity of Pure Nexus.
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I tried Pure Nexus two separate times and it was lousy both times. It's a wildly overrated rom. People claim its not buggy yet if you read through the forum people talk about bugs on pretty much every single build of the rom. I've run many roms on many phones and honestly nothing perplexes me as much as the popularity of Pure Nexus.
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Yeah sure... And yet you don't really know if the ROM is the culprit, since most of the time if not all the time, only one user reports having a specific issue. Of course, without providing any way to reproduce it, nor does he/she provides log for the developers to check. Who is to Blame? The ROM?
Pointing fingers at someone for your own mistakes or lack of common sense is easy. But who cares, it's a lot easier than trying to figure the issue on your own or help the developers to get it fixed.
Cheers, have a nice day... :good:
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I tried Pure Nexus two separate times and it was lousy both times. It's a wildly overrated rom. People claim its not buggy yet if you read through the forum people talk about bugs on pretty much every single build of the rom. I've run many roms on many phones and honestly nothing perplexes me as much as the popularity of Pure Nexus.
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Sounds like it's your problem. If you don't know how to install AdAway, then you're probably not a reliable source for bug reports. Ironically, PN is one of the most (maybe the most) stable custom ROMs for this phone.
Pure Nexus + Franco Kernel = Amazing battery life and stability.
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I personally found Pure Nexus to be the most problematic rom I ever installed on any phone I have ever owned. I can't fathom why that rom is so popular. People who post problems to the forums are very frequently running Pure Nexus but always assume that whatever problem they are having has nothing to do with the rom. Unfortunately most of the devs seem to have abandoned ship where the 6P is concerned and there are only a small handful of roms still being updated. If you run Pure Nexus I hope you have a better experience than I did the two times I tried running it but if you start having issues with your phone after you flash it the problem is with the rom. Pure Nexus slowed down my phone compared to stock, caused battery drain compared to stock, caused multiple apps to crash repeatedly--and when I tried to get support all I got was attacked.
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Lol , dang you should have known the self appointed Guardians of Devs (I think they are from middle Earth) , would find you, even in some random thread, these dudes can seek out an opportunity like an eagle spotting a mouse from the air.
Don't worry I'll drink an extra brew for you.
Give a try to Six ROM, is a Pixel themed rom and it runs smooth as it can be. Also battery life is good.
I would recommend Cortex but only if you also flash The Flash's kernel. On the stock kernel there are problems with battery drain. With Flash kernel Cortex is as smooth and bug free as any custom ROM I have ever run and it gives you a nice Pixel experience.
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Hi, simple question really, and shouldn't be too hard to answer for all you flashaholics out there !
All I want, is a completely bugless custom ROM, not bothered about much else. For me customisation etc comes last, bugs is my main priority.
As I always think I've found a good ROM, read into it and see an array of issues ranging from Faulty Wifi to Gyro's not working etc.
Thanks in advanced !
All software has bugs. Doesn't matter who makes it. It's not just features that get added with incremental OS updates. Contains more bugfixes than features in most situations.
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All software has bugs. Doesn't matter who makes it. It's not just features that get added with incremental OS updates. Contains more bugfixes than features in most situations.
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I don't think this is generally true, obviously software has glitches, that aren't necessarily bugs. I'm talking bug's that effect the devices performance and overall scope of technology.
Hense I stated stuff such as Data connections not working, Gyro's being broken, SOD's and what not.
I want a nice, smooth bugless ROM, can't be too much to ask?
Most bug's from the devs here come from trying to add to much (IMO) whereas I just want a clean, simple and bugless ROM to use as my daily driver.
For now, I think I'll stick with Stock unless I get some recommendations !
Xda devs push the bounds of these android builds beyond where they were meant to go. That entails adding bits and pieces of code that may add some bugs to the software while delivering unique abilities to the OS. Its a tradeoff so yes, I think asking for a bug less ROM that isn't stock is to much to ask. I think asking for anything is asking to much in fact. These devs do this in their free time and to complain and or lament about their efforts not being good enough is exactly the opposite of what XDA is founded upon. If you want something that "just works" then buy an iPad or go back to stock jellybean. This is a development website, if that fundamental point is going over your head then you need to find your kicks elsewhere.
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Xda devs push the bounds of these android builds beyond where they were meant to go. That entails adding bits and pieces of code that may add some bugs to the software while delivering unique abilities to the OS. Its a tradeoff so yes, I think asking for a bug less ROM that isn't stock is to much to ask. I think asking for anything is asking to much in fact. These devs do this in their free time and to complain and or lament about their efforts not being good enough is exactly the opposite of what XDA is founded upon. If you want something that "just works" then buy an iPad or go back to stock jellybean. This is a development website, if that fundamental point is going over your head then you need to find your kicks elsewhere.
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You've totally mislaid the point, I'm not complaining about the current ROM's out their as yes, like you said they push the boundaries which could cause bug's.
Asking for a bugless customer ROM isn't to much to ask for at all mate, and you clearly don't check enough of this forum, as for example on the HOX their are a couple of custom ROM's, like the Stock with no bug's but speed and performance enhancements.
I think you need to read and digest what I have already written, as I think you'll find you've taken this right out of context.
Who are you my Dad?
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Hi, simple question really, and shouldn't be too hard to answer for all you flashaholics out there !
All I want, is a completely bugless custom ROM, not bothered about much else. For me customisation etc comes last, bugs is my main priority.
As I always think I've found a good ROM, read into it and see an array of issues ranging from Faulty Wifi to Gyro's not working etc.
Thanks in advanced !
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If your primary concern is having the fewest amount of bugs (yes there are always bugs in software, some more obvious than others) then stick with stock Android on your Nexus 7. This is not a slam against any developers or distros, it is just the simple reality that comes from the fact that Google pays people to work on Android, and other developers work on their roms in their personal time. In the end, it's all personal choice and what works for me may not be what's best for you.
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If your primary concern is having the fewest amount of bugs (yes there are always bugs in software, some more obvious than others) then stick with stock Android on your Nexus 7. This is not a slam against any developers or distros, it is just the simple reality that comes from the fact that Google pays people to work on Android, and other developers work on their roms in their personal time. In the end, it's all personal choice and what works for me may not be what's best for you.
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Im in the same boat with you, I think the dev's here are brilliant, and really should be appreciated for their work. I am not mocking/having a go or anything else along those lines.
MaXimus ROM for HOX is better than stock, with no bug's and great performance boost etc.
All I wanted to know was, does one exist for the Nexus, sheesh kebab !
I am using eclipse build 3 and nitro provides a nice combination of customization and stability. Nitro is known to provide a very stable rom always easy to make a back up and try a new rom. You can always find the latest for eclipse on eclipserom.com
Hope this helps I was a flashaholic until I started using eclipse. Nitro also provides his own kernel and has been running great for me
Care to link me mate?
And thanks for a USEFUL reply.
obviously ur definition of "bugs" is different from the majority of people here..
i have yet to run into a "bugless" rom myself.. if u think any rom is "bugless", its probably that u have not used it thoroughly enough..
the only way to get an answer to ur question is to try out all those custom ROMs urself, and select the one with the least, or according to ur definition, no "bugs"..
another useless answer.. i know.. just like the question itself..
http://eclipserom.com/vforum/showth...ouper-Build-3-Welcome-to-the-Dark!!-(10-27-12)
Just make sure to make a nano back up before flashing that way if you do not like you can always go back. Happy flashing
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I have not ran bug less beast ROM on my n7 but it was very stable also on my gnex. Just a clean stock feel with some small changes. I like eclipse because of the stability and customization. But if eclipse is not for you try another that's the great thing about having a nexus don't like it just restore your stock back up.
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Im in the same boat with you, I think the dev's here are brilliant, and really should be appreciated for their work. I am not mocking/having a go or anything else along those lines.
MaXimus ROM for HOX is better than stock, with no bug's and great performance boost etc.
All I wanted to know was, does one exist for the Nexus, sheesh kebab !
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Yes. Stock. 'nuff said.
Rootbrain
Bugless pete. Clue is in te name.
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Currently using....
Eclipse and Rasbeanjelly without all the issues some seem to encounter on a routine basis. There are just way to many variables for me just not to flash and monitor how my tablet performs. Of all the ROMs I've tried I find I rarely encounter the amount or severity of issues being discussed. Maybe I'm just not what many here would consider a power user, but my use of my laptop and netbook have decreased dramatically! :laugh:
We all know that Devs put a lot of effort and time on their project's. therefore their creation is often constantly changing.
I literally flash and test all the roms along with those major changes that Devs bring.
My current device is n910t.
I lke to note that i never sell my older devices, when i retire them i pass them down to friends and family. And before i do that, i make sure that the device has the most stable rom.
Devs put a lot of time and energy into this, and want to thank all of them for giving me something that i like and enjoy.
This is for users like myself, that consider this a passion or a hobby, and want to leave a quick and short opinion to what's best for them at the moment.
Hopefully that will help other users to make a quick decision on trying a rom without going to a thread and annoying the OP with questions like "how is battery life" or often directly or indirectly, comparing one OP's work with others in their own thread.
No matter how many roms i try, something that I love doing is to read all the threads and specially hearing the addicted flashaholics talk about anything, or the veterans with all their wise answers helping everybody
I know talking about roms in general in a single thread, is walking a fine line on the rules, in this forum. But, if we are educated enough, or at least try to be nice and respectful to each other, and specially to the devs and their work, we probably can keep this thread open and interesting, like it's meant to be.
I spend a lot of time testing touchwiz roms and lately aosp ones to.
If you asked me as far back as one week ago which one you think is the best and worth the daily driver for the moment, my answer would have been completely different than now.
I am unbiased, and that i guarantee, but i have to admit that sometimes i speek a little to soon, without meaning anything bad, but that eventually defeats being unbiased, so i do sound bad when that happens.
You have to realize that there is actually a way to say what you like about a rom, without offending others.
I am not going to give my review or my current opinion about the best rom right now, but with everyone else i will talk and discuss along the way.
Interesting thread. Let's hope no one gets butthurt.
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Interesting thread. Let's hope no one gets butthurt.
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That would be cause a lot of them might of forgotten to take the midol this morning lol. People need to get a grip that people will like others better and may not like some things a dev does or how certain devs just blow you off when u have an issue. It not till everyone says the same that the devs says oh geez let me look into that. It sad what xda has come to but I give the op credit for stating his opinion.
Post the scores for each category. I think if you rate them on a bunch of categories and say which ones are best at which categories, it might be a good way to not make this thread be about the "best rom" otherwise it will be closed in no time.
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This thread will stay open as long as there is not comparison of best rom ....... otherwise it will get closed
If you are wandering about comments above, The OP has been modified and changed prior to this post.
All devs have personal preference and individual set of skill and time. Likewise, users with personal preference and time. Some get what is more stable, some get what they really want and find time to ask others, to fix and tweak, to make the rom more stable, customized. Sharing the end results with devs and users. In reality best rom I think is the one, oneself could make themselves. Each rom has pros and cons. Each user uses their device differently, so even pros and cons can shift from one user to the next. I myself find any kitkat roms more practical by design. A more efficient way to use the device visually, with features and settings more organized and faster to recognize icons visually rather reading the icons labels. Lollipop has some new unique features, seems faster and smoother performance wise, but on the most part priority seems to be the color of things. If we lived in a perfect world with no time, I wonder what the hybrid of kit Kat and lollipop would be, or if all devs were one team. I think the best rom would be to have all the possible features/customizations with on/off switches. But that would probably require a lot of time and memory space, to also not have one feature conflict with another. Interesting place. Appreciate all devs and users with useful information they share with others.
Right now i have a backup of pretty much all the roms out there. The one that i always have when i am working is poprock because of battery life and overall stability. At home i mostly have TeXoDUs because i love customizations and the looks of it. When driving or out with friends i have aosp CmRemix has been the go2 lately, love the speed and gets me out of TW world for a while
Went back to kitkat/Firekat with bioshock kernel. Ran tw lollipop since it's release and every rom had issues. Not any developers fault, just unfinished, unrefined product from Google. I had way too many issues with camera not focusing, unexplained heat, wake locks, crap battery life, signal problems with new modem, random app force closes, etc, etc.
Project Infinity
Stock LP. Haha!
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I've tried many but always come back to firekat 13. Its the only ROM my phone seems to like & the only one that runs stable with no heat or persistent wakelocks.
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Went back to kitkat/Firekat with bioshock kernel. Ran tw lollipop since it's release and every rom had issues. Not any developers fault, just unfinished, unrefined product from Google. I had way too many issues with camera not focusing, unexplained heat, wake locks, crap battery life, signal problems with new modem, random app force closes, etc, etc.
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Maybe be a little more patient? ? Give it a chance, play around get yourself used to LP and you will realize that it's not so bad. If the problems that you described were persistent, there wouldn't been so many roms and users making the switch.
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Will give this a shot and report back. Have you tried other roms to? Or did you stick with this from beginning? By saying more about this rom, in my opinion you advertise the devs work, and there is nothing more the devs want. They don't sell their work, it is a gift for us, the good words and popularity of their rom is more valuable to them then anything else.
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Stock LP. Haha!
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Nothing wrong with that. And again i ask you why? Have you tried other roms and ran into issues?
I have a cell phone store, so I've tried them all.
I can tell you my personal path, however.
Firekat, cmremix, poprocks, project Infinity, Tekhd's rom.
I can tell you what we put on note 4s the most.
Poprocks and CmRemix.
I'll have to pm you a link to project Infinity cause it got pulled.
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I've tried many but always come back to firekat 13. Its the only ROM my phone seems to like & the only one that runs stable with no heat or persistent wakelocks.
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If i just wanted something decent and never look back, i would have done the same to. But the truth of the matter is that i love NEW even if that is something that is not perfect yet. I love CHANGE, i like being curious with every update out there, and love flashing.
Lol i remember myself when i first bought a computer and would spend countless hours on IRC or going for days exploring programs, downloading torrents, and shiitte load of viruses along with them. Factory reseting windows weekly, and repeating the same thing over and over.
now these days i have settled with wiping and flashing. To old for anything else
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I have a cell phone store, so I've tried them all.
I can tell you my personal path, however.
Firekat, cmremix, poprocks, project Infinity, Tekhd's rom.
I can tell you what we put on note 4s the most.
Poprocks and CmRemix.
I'll have to pm you a link to project Infinity cause it got pulled.
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Nice, thnx man!
Don't forget RAPTURE by ib4bested, that's rock solid to, and very fest with the most minimal bloatware than any other rom out there
And i can tell you right now, if TEKXodus was a little more organized, and what i mean by that is that if he had al the mods and themes in one place, something similar like Brians rom DynamicPop, where he has incorporated a settings icon with all his mods and tweaks (CM has that to) and had a little less unnecessary bloatware, made it more compact. That would be a dream rom with twice the user base. He is always there with a lot more work and updates than anybody else, his rom has the speed the battery life and the customization all in one.
Let me give an example.
When i flash his rom all i wanna see is the speed and the looks that he has right now. Everything else including samsung, google, tmobile, optional aps (bloatware) lmt all themes sound app, tweaks, themed sms, pull down notification tweaks, status bar etc, all into one single icon as a user choice mods. Thats a lot of work i know, but thats something that he certainly doesn't lack.
This way he would give every single person what they exactly want. With one stone he would kill countless birds ))
Let's be honest to ourselves here guys, out beloved Moto X Style was officially released in September which means this phone has now been out for at least 3 months and while all the effort that has since been put in this devices by key developers and people from day 1 up till now is very much appreciated and will continue to be appreciated, the development of this device compared to most flagships has been slow motion.
I am just trying to understand what the hell went wrong with this phone that made it end up with such super slow motion development, as when I originally bought the device I was thinking this phone would be at least in the top 20 most active phones on XDA development wise.
It had so much going for it, easy root, easy unlockable bootloader, a pretty much almost complete stock version of android, kernel sources released and motorolas good track record of updating their flagship phones in a timely manner and good hardware to accompany the great bloatware free stock software and a cheap price compared to some other flagships from other companies such as Samsung and Sony
With all this in mind I thought developers would flock to this device and we would have a massive development forum with loads of options between custom roms, mods, themes and other tweaks etc
But this is far from the case and I know the Nexus 6P being released probably had something to do with it, Still this should have been at least in top 20
At first I thought when Android 6.0 MM will be released development will increase then we needed the kernel sources as that was apparently not enough, then we had kernel sources but apart from 1 or 2 roms showing up being in alpha stages nothings changed too much.
This is such a disappointment to say the least.
If only I could understand why this is happening maybe something could be done to fix this or increase the development of this phone, I dont know maybe get some developers from the nexus 6p forums on here some how ...
Any ideas why this has happened and if anything can be done to increase development?
IS THERE ANY WAY WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN GET MORE DEVELOPERS TO WORK ON THIS DEVICE?
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If only I could understand why this is happening maybe something could be done to fix this or increase the development of this phone, I dont know maybe get some developers from the nexus 6p forums on here some how ...
Any ideas why this has happened and if anything can be done to increase development?
IS THERE ANY WAY WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN GET MORE DEVELOPERS TO WORK ON THIS DEVICE?
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I think it's due to a combination of factors, such as :
1) The popularity of the phone/ manufacturer. These figures show Lenovo/Motorloa in 5th place for sales, having a 3.7% market share in Q3 2015
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
3) With phones getting more expensive, more people are put off from unlocking their bootloader due to warranty issues
4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
5) Some apps, for example ones for mobile banking or subscrition TV & Video, will not work with a rooted phone.
In the past I've had various phones from various manufacturers, and I'd say if you get your kicks from installing custom ROMs, then buy a Nexus.
When i had the one plus one there were so many roms that was a brain storm... I prefer some and reliable roms than a plethora where you get confused!!!
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
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4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
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IMO you hit the nail on the head. I love this phone. I had the MXPE 2014 as well, was not a fan. Also owned the original, Loved it.
This MXPE has been great in imo, the lack of development has not been disappointing to me. The stock rom is really pretty good, there are minor tweaks that can be done but most can do these on their own.
I used to be a flash-aholic, but like @GretaLewd has stated...custom roms tend to break things. I'm more in favor of kernel development. But how many different kernels can you have? One way or another they'll be the same.
I also own a Nexus 6P, but my MXPE is my go to device.
I see users complaining about this phone constantly, I really don't think it matters what phone you put in the hands of those users...they would still find fault and complain.
Motorola and Lenovo did good by this device, I just hope they keep up with incrementals for a while.
Isn't the 64bit cpu reason because it takes more work to get cm/aosp roms?
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Good thread. Would love to hear more thoughts
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Ordered the device today. Hope slow development doesn't disappoint me on this device, as others have stated...
I have been using this device for 2 months now. I am happy with it an didn't face a single issue. I can do a little bit tweaking myself using Xposed.
So far the slow development doesn't bother me.
Only buy a device for what it can do out of the box, not what you hope it will be able to do with additional modding and development... Nothing else is guaranteed!
As it stands I'm very happy with my rooted stock Style, not need for custom roms.
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Only buy a device for what it can do out of the box, not what you hope it will be able to do with additional modding and development... Nothing else is guaranteed!
As it stands I'm very happy with my rooted stock Style, not need for custom roms.
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That's a good way to approach Android phones I suppose but I believe
it's still nice to buy a phone that's great out of the box and good development wise, usually flagships tend to have good development and then the mid range and low end phones tend to get smaller developments but I guess there's an exception to everything.
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Isn't the 64bit cpu reason because it takes more work to get cm/aosp roms?
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I doubt that's the reason since 64 Bit has been the standard since Lollipop and pretty much all the flagships have a 64bit cpu since the beggining of 2015 but that doesn't stop other development forums from flourishing.
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I think it's due to a combination of factors, such as :
1) The popularity of the phone/ manufacturer. These figures show Lenovo/Motorloa in 5th place for sales, having a 3.7% market share in Q3 2015
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
3) With phones getting more expensive, more people are put off from unlocking their bootloader due to warranty issues
4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
5) Some apps, for example ones for mobile banking or subscrition TV & Video, will not work with a rooted phone.
In the past I've had various phones from various manufacturers, and I'd say if you get your kicks from installing custom ROMs, then buy a Nexus.
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Thank you for your break down on your thoughts of the subject and I must admit you've mention some very valid points here especially Point 1,2 and 5 but I think out of all of these its Point 1 and 2 that are the most significant, I suppose Motorola have a really small market share explains the lack of adoption between developers when comparing to some of the more prominent manufacturers such as samsung.
and The Android Stock OS has improved significantly within the past couple of years adding some new features that previously people had to root their phones to acomplish such as full app permission controls and backing up app data which google does for you now.
You need to follow development before buying a device these days. i.e. always wait at least 1-2 months. If you follow the development forums you would get an idea if developers are interested in said device or not. I for one, bought it right after I found out that AICP (CM12) rom was being developed. I was interested in running CM13 instead of other AOSP variations. And before I got the device the first (almost daily driver) builds were already uploaded.
Once cm is solid quite a few roms will pop up. Won't be long now.
Official MM has only been out for our phone for a little over a month. give it some time it may pick up. either way it's still an awesome phone out the box... and as stated above, once CM13 is stable im sure we'll see some of the other custom ROMs that are based off it.
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2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
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This is a great point, but I'd like to add that this is especially applicable to our MXPE. We're really close to stock as it is, so there's little motivation to go ROM to debloat like there is on Samsung, LG, and similar phones. On the flip side, we have a lot of really neat features (active display, approach, accelerator gestures, voice controls) that we would lose if we went ROM.
For me, these two points combine, leaving me with little motivation to ROM my phone, especially since I can could get most of the advantages of CyanogenMod with something like GravityBox, which will allow me to keep the Motorola features (I'm currently unrooted because of the warranty, but I'll be rooted in the future for sure) . Of course, these are my own personal opinions, but I suspect that they reflect at least some of the mindset of this community.
I agree with others, that custom roms are often more trouble than they're worth. The only reason to use them these days is if your device isn't going to be updated to the latest version of Android.
Ever since moto introduced 99% stock android + moto display, roms have been entirely unnecessary for me. I used to rom my phones to gain greater flexibility + customizability. Now that I have stock android + Xposed, I doubt I will ever flash another custom rom again.
I'm still waiting for custom super roms that will make this device best in the market. Why can we have a rom with 1080p display, tweak kernel with better control for heating issue for overall battery life and speed?
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The biggest issue is that developers don't support devices they don't own. With the launch of the nexus 6 (not the 6p) most developers got it and had no need to update to a y newer devices.
Also to the comment that all flag ships are 64 bit this is not the case. If you look the most popular devices as far as developers are concerned are non 64 bit.
Also as android matures you will see less and less roms. As it will be come harder. There are very few real development teams. Most are just kitchen sink roms. A base with tons of cherry picks and a new name. Nothing even worth looking at twice. But more developers are closing up the source of their projects because of these types of roms.
To be honest most users have no point in flashing roms. Only those that like the development side of it will continue to mod roms and flash things.
Hey guys,
I used to do ROM Reviews for the Nexus 6 a long time ago but got carried away with work and had to slow down (we all know how much time and effort it can take to wipe and restart with a new ROM). I feel like the reviews helped spark discussion and the responses to the reviews really helped me understand what factors mattered most to the average user.
Anyways, is there any interest in me starting this up for the Pixel? I've used PureNexus for quite some time now and feel like I have a very good grasp on it in terms of features and performance. I'm downloading and configuring Hexa tonight, so I can start with a comparison (outside of stock). If there's interest, I'll plan to post the first review at the end of this next week (around 3/4 Feb).
EDIT: I'm going to wait on this until the GApps issues all get ironed out. I'd love feedback on which ROMs to try, so I can start with the ROMs people want first.
Could use some in-depth reviews here. Perhaps a comparison to stock.
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Could use some in-depth reviews here. Perhaps a comparison to stock.
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Any ROM preference for the first one?
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Any ROM preference for the first one?
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Hexa would be nice. I've been contemplating flashing it but would like a review to compare it with PN
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Hexa would be nice. I've been contemplating flashing it but would like a review to compare it with PN
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So I tried installing Hexa last night. Coming from PureNexus, I played it safe and wiped everything first, didn't even install TWRP (just used fastboot to boot into TWRP every time). Still, I had nothing but issues with Google Play services. I'm also not a fan of all the AOSP apps that LineageOS includes. I wish there was an option during set up where it asks if you want to keep them, so users can decline the ones they'll never use (I'm fine with them including the essentials, like "Messaging", but I can't stand having the AOSP Email app and a bunch of other).
I then tried to install Oct-N, with a number of issues again.
If/when I do this, I'm going to have to wait until the process becomes less painful. I liked PureNexus a LOT, but for the moment (I'll keep trying next weekend) I'm going to stick with stock w/ root.
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So I tried installing Hexa last night. Coming from PureNexus, I played it safe and wiped everything first, didn't even install TWRP (just used fastboot to boot into TWRP every time). Still, I had nothing but issues with Google Play services. I'm also not a fan of all the AOSP apps that LineageOS includes. I wish there was an option during set up where it asks if you want to keep them, so users can decline the ones they'll never use (I'm fine with them including the essentials, like "Messaging", but I can't stand having the AOSP Email app and a bunch of other).
I then tried to install Oct-N, with a number of issues again.
If/when I do this, I'm going to have to wait until the process becomes less painful. I liked PureNexus a LOT, but for the moment (I'll keep trying next weekend) I'm going to stick with stock w/ root.
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Have you tried Dirty Unicorns yet?
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for me its either pure nexus or dirty unicorns. DU has a few more options and better battery life currently. at least for me. the pixel doesnt have anywhere near the dev community the nexuses or oneplus3t have. but ill take what I can get.
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for me its either pure nexus or dirty unicorns. DU has a few more options and better battery life currently. at least for me. the pixel doesnt have anywhere near the dev community the nexuses or oneplus3t have. but ill take what I can get.
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I don't think that's necessarily true. The Pixel's system is completely different from either of those devices, and it's taking significantly longer for the devs to sort out all of the kinks. It doesn't help that it's MUCH more consumer-focused than any of Google's previous phones or tablets.
I tried DU a long time ago on an older device, but not on my Pixel. Maybe I'll try that next. Does DU have a thing against sharing their builds on XDA?
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I don't think that's necessarily true. The Pixel's system is completely different from either of those devices, and it's taking significantly longer for the devs to sort out all of the kinks. It doesn't help that it's MUCH more consumer-focused than any of Google's previous phones or tablets.
I tried DU a long time ago on an older device, but not on my Pixel. Maybe I'll try that next. Does DU have a thing against sharing their builds on XDA?
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I dont think a lot of devs have the pixel or xl. they are pretty expensive. but yes I know the new partition scheme is a pita. thats why we dont have a stable twrp yet. ive yet to see another person with a pixel despite it selling well. I mostly see samsungs and iphones.
im not sure what the beef is with DU and xda. they are at devbase. I didnt join the site, just bookmarked for the builds.
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I dont think a lot of devs have the pixel or xl. they are pretty expensive. but yes I know the new partition scheme is a pita. thats why we dont have a stable twrp yet. ive yet to see another person with a pixel despite it selling well. I mostly see samsungs and iphones.
im not sure what the beef is with DU and xda. they are at devbase. I didnt join the site, just bookmarked for the builds.
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Fair point, especially if they enjoy the Nexus 6P...
Can you get Oct-N to work and leave a review? Seems interesting.
i have been running DU since it was released and recently flashed purenexus almost a week ago. while the 2 roms have similar mods i feel DU had better battery life. both roms run smooth but battery life is the deciding factor on which rom to use as a daily driver.
If i knew that this phone pixel xl has a very few ROMs and MODs i wouldn't really buy it, i prefer oneplus phones... it's just disappointing
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If i knew that this phone pixel xl has a very few ROMs and MODs i wouldn't really buy it, i prefer oneplus phones... it's just disappointing
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7.x seems like it was a real challenge for developers with the a/b partitions etc. Hoping the 8 treble improvements will help that situation out. The Sony theming engine already has helped me via substratum.
Still I'm thinking the stock room hasn't given me any reason to move. In general the deviations from AOSP I like.
But yes, sure isn't a Nexus 5.
I think it's down to the price. I see no reason to buy this to Dev on over any other device Pixel just isn't value for money and nowhere near as popular as some of the other devices out there
People griping about "Very Less DEVS" certainly won't improve the situation. Thread reported to mods. If you want to complain, at least use the right forum.
I'd rather have "very less" stable quality software rather than the trash I see in some of the custom roms.
Android has matured a significant amount since the EZroot days of the Droid 1 days to the point where the OS already comes from factory with the customization that people used custom ROMs for.
That, plus the frequency of monthly updates and the need for the rom developer to keep up with the monthy updates PLUS incorporating new ways to circumvent the safetynet check has made modifying less sought after.
I'm pretty sure the majority of people people that rooted and ran ROMs were for the purpose of increasing functionality and not solely for the purpose of saying "I modified my phone".
Placebo init.d scripts and build.prop days flooded the "developer" community for some time until people caught up with it. If a company could incorporate ways to increase speed and battery life without losing functionality, wouldn't you think they would do it so they can have an edge against their competition?
So I ask, what are you looking for in a custom rom that isn't available right now?
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I'd rather have "very less" stable quality software rather than the trash I see in some of the custom roms.
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Have to agree. I am running rooted stock and have all the mods I need with great battery life. I get the need for some people wanting to run custom roms for missing options from the stock rom, but with custom roms also comes with bugs.
Yea when I originally purchased this last year I figured the dev community would be huge. Don't get me wrong I appreciate the awesome ROMs we have just thought it would be a bigger scene. Seeing as how the phone is very expensive and if you want an unlocked bootloader you have to buy it through Google it makes sense (yes some Verizon models could be unlocked before updating). In general I still love the phone and it's by far better than anything I've had before. I don't upgrade phones often because I always wait for very good deals (Pixel for $140 new) so I'll likely have this for years.
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People griping about "Very Less DEVS" certainly won't improve the situation. Thread reported to mods. If you want to complain, at least use the right forum.
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THANK U but i think this forum is the discussion too, so it's the right place to complain.. i wasn't complaining only for mods, roms too ... i think u get my point
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7.x seems like it was a real challenge for developers with the a/b partitions etc. Hoping the 8 treble improvements will help that situation out. The Sony theming engine already has helped me via substratum.
Still I'm thinking the stock room hasn't given me any reason to move. In general the deviations from AOSP I like.
But yes, sure isn't a Nexus 5.
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i have substratum and i am always on swiftblack, i'm getting bored so can u please link the sony one ? hahahaha i think our phone is only limited in stock system.
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Android has matured a significant amount since the EZroot days of the Droid 1 days to the point where the OS already comes from factory with the customization that people used custom ROMs for.
That, plus the frequency of monthly updates and the need for the rom developer to keep up with the monthy updates PLUS incorporating new ways to circumvent the safetynet check has made modifying less sought after.
I'm pretty sure the majority of people people that rooted and ran ROMs were for the purpose of increasing functionality and not solely for the purpose of saying "I modified my phone".
Placebo init.d scripts and build.prop days flooded the "developer" community for some time until people caught up with it. If a company could incorporate ways to increase speed and battery life without losing functionality, wouldn't you think they would do it so they can have an edge against their competition?
So I ask, what are you looking for in a custom rom that isn't available right now?
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well i agree with u, and concerning your question i would say that if we can have a different room rather than the stock i would be happy, i used to have, nexus5, N6, N5x, N6P, 1+1 and 1+3.. i always look for something really different than the stock android, like miui or flyme os.. or at least a rom with plenty of features. i am just get bored to have always the same stock system as there is no other cutom oreo rom. i'm not a professional and i never tried to coock some here but i always change and flash my phone and even my family and friends phones . pixel xl is amazing especially with software updates and google things, even the camera app is the best so far and we recently have this new option of "AR STICKERS"... but i am bored that this phone doesn't really make me work on it.
i hope u get the message
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Yea when I originally purchased this last year I figured the dev community would be huge. Don't get me wrong I appreciate the awesome ROMs we have just thought it would be a bigger scene. Seeing as how the phone is very expensive and if you want an unlocked bootloader you have to buy it through Google it makes sense (yes some Verizon models could be unlocked before updating). In general I still love the phone and it's by far better than anything I've had before. I don't upgrade phones often because I always wait for very good deals (Pixel for $140 new) so I'll likely have this for years.
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what u said is exactly what i meant by making this post, and honestly this phone is the best so far, i just expected more devs on it as it's a huge phone especially a google phone.
To the OP,
It's been pretty clear for some time that there aren't many rooms for the Pixel XL: are you sure that you really could not have known this before you got one?
I'm not that bothered that there isn't much development: less is more, there's less necessity than a few years ago and the pace of updates and safetynet make this a more intensive task (as mentioned by others). I have root and only use this for very specific features like adblocking.
I've had 3 OnePlus phones (2, 3 & 5) and each generation of Nexus/Pixel (bar two: GNex and N6... I had the Pixel 2 but returned it as faulty). A number of the roms/mods for 1+ are attempts to replicate Nexus/Pixel features, with the rest fairly pointless shortcuts and 'features' of little value (and often already accessible through an app). Substratum does most all you need for theming, and xposed (apparently almost ready for Oreo as the biggest jump was to Nougat) takes care of much of the other stuff.
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well i agree with u, and concerning your question i would say that if we can have a different room rather than the stock i would be happy, i used to have, nexus5, N6, N5x, N6P, 1+1 and 1+3.. i always look for something really different than the stock android, like miui or flyme os.. or at least a rom with plenty of features. i am just get bored to have always the same stock system as there is no other cutom oreo rom. i'm not a professional and i never tried to coock some here but i always change and flash my phone and even my family and friends phones . pixel xl is amazing especially with software updates and google things, even the camera app is the best so far and we recently have this new option of "AR STICKERS"... but i am bored that this phone doesn't really make me work on it.
i hope u get the message
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I think you may have bought the wrong phone if u expected that you were going to need to be replacing the ROM... IMHO, none of the custom ROMs are going to be better optimisized, and its just a fact that none will be utilisizing the latest new android features, being as they are always months behind Google's releases....
custom roms tend to be far better suited for older phones, EOL devices, etc...
you can still get a ton of customizations on the stock ROM, but it comes down to custom kernels, launchers and root apps that can modify the ROM, etc....
I'm curious, what are the compelling features that u need out of rom that u can't get on stock?
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THANK U but i think this forum is the discussion too, so it's the right place to complain.. i wasn't complaining only for mods, roms too ... i think u get my point
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The mods must agree with me, not you. Enjoy complaining in the correct forum.
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To the OP,
It's been pretty clear for some time that there aren't many rooms for the Pixel XL: are you sure that you really could not have known this before you got one?
I'm not that bothered that there isn't much development: less is more, there's less necessity than a few years ago and the pace of updates and safetynet make this a more intensive task (as mentioned by others). I have root and only use this for very specific features like adblocking.
I've had 3 OnePlus phones (2, 3 & 5) and each generation of Nexus/Pixel (bar two: GNex and N6... I had the Pixel 2 but returned it as faulty). A number of the roms/mods for 1+ are attempts to replicate Nexus/Pixel features, with the rest fairly pointless shortcuts and 'features' of little value (and often already accessible through an app). Substratum does most all you need for theming, and xposed (apparently almost ready for Oreo as the biggest jump was to Nougat) takes care of much of the other stuff.
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I miss Xposed. So. Freaking. Much.
But not enough to to go back to nougat lol
Last Xposed report was almost ready for Oreo.. a few weeks back
Thank u guys, i know my subject is annoying, but i think i am just addicted to changing all time, and to this forum too lol. but if really Xposed comes to nougat, that would help my sickness
I have had no urge to install a custom ROM or even a kernel since I got the Pixel XL (right after release). Besides my being annoyed by Google putting the search bar on the bottom of the home launcher page and making it non-deletable or even movable, I have been totally happy with bootloader unlocked and rooted stock. My only development frustration is the moving target that the TWRP devs seem to be chasing and the SuperSU transition. I am liking Magisk so far, but I had got used to Chainfire's apps and have a hard time accepting this change LOL.
2nd hand Pixel XL's will swell the user base
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I think it's down to the price. I see no reason to buy this to Dev on over any other device Pixel just isn't value for money and nowhere near as popular as some of the other devices out there
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Cheaper 2nd hand XL's will make this phone more popular - I just got mine for £340 and am very pleased with it. (I should be as my previous phone was a Nexus 4 which I loved and nurtured for over 4 years!)
Having said that I'm on 8.1 stock unlocked but not yet rooted.
I'm waiting to see what Project Treble will bring.