WHATS YOUR PREFERENCE FOR THE STABLEST KERNEL FOR OUR ONEPLUS 5 .
For the battery and performance ratio .
I am a Blu spark lover .Share your views .
Stock.
I won't use anything Blu Spark. His kernel boosted performance on Nougat but Oreo is already faster and smoother than Nougat natively. I prefer Flash which is rock solid stable and has a more responsive developer and a far more civil thread. If it came down to using Blu Spark or just throwing away the phone I would throw away the phone.
jhs39 said:
I won't use anything Blu Spark. His kernel boosted performance on Nougat but Oreo is already faster and smoother than Nougat natively. I prefer Flash which is rock solid stable and has a more responsive developer and a far more civil thread. If it came down to using Blu Spark or just throwing away the phone I would throw away the phone.
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How's your battery backup on the flash kernel .
dladz said:
Stock.
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Share some battery stats
Aarju said:
Share some battery stats
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on stock i get around 2 days battery life with about 10 hours + SOT.
On Elemental after a fair bit of tweaking i get a little less, 1.8 days battery life and between 8 and 9 hours SOT, so both good kernels for stamina and performance.
I use elemental simply for the audio boost as i have a problem with my earpiece.
All of the above is subjective though and each and every user is going to have a varying experience based on what they have in their phone, their charging habits and what they use their phone for.
Personally i keep my phone extremely light, I don't have any apps with ad's i don't have any live widgets, apps like facebook, skype, viber, snapchat, so that makes a big difference.
Aarju said:
WHATS YOUR PREFERENCE FOR THE STABLEST KERNEL FOR OUR ONEPLUS 5 .
For the battery and performance ratio .
I am a Blu spark lover .Share your views .
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There's a official review section for this type of questions with lots of reviews already https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/review
Sot, heavy usage endurance, light usage endurance, overall speed etc. With detailed scenarios.
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How's your battery backup on the flash kernel .
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What do you mean battery backup? Battery life varies depending the settings used and the ROM you are running. Flash is great at going into deep sleep on CrDroid, Phoenix, AOKP and DU. I don't run OOS but people who use Flash on it say it runs well. One Plus hires the software engineers in China who aren't talented enough to work for OPPO or Huawei. I prefer custom ROMs on this phone. OOS is hard to stomach if you are fond of stock Android.
There isn't any "best" kernel and there won't ever be one. I would say every kernel which is provided here justifies its existence. Flash them and try it out.
RogerF81 said:
There isn't any "best" kernel and there won't ever be one. I would say every kernel which is provided here justifies its existence. Flash them and try it out.
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agreed
HydroX7 said:
I couldn't live without your kernel. I use it now, and I used it on OneplusOne and on Samsung Glaxy Nexus. I made some screenshots, the battery life with 25% CPU underclock + GPU underclock + Max screen brightness lowered by 40%, is INSANE
https://imgur.com/a/Pqv84
On low usage I got 5 days idle with 2h screen on time and stil had 50% left !
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Pretty much my experience with Franco kernel. There were a few buggy versions on Oreo builds, but everything is back to Nougat level now (battery, performance and stability).
blu_spark kernel is on the high value, bug free, stable, packed with useful features.
We get 300Mhz idle freqs, we get no notification delay and no connection drops for web apps, did I mention fastlane on blu_active governor?
Full features list is in the OP.
Performance is wild, battery runtime goes beyond anything else out there.
Better to throw it away on a flash indeed.
blu gets a lot of badmouthing from one particular corner but kernel and TWRP releases speak for themselves.?
So, using blu_spark, why use anything else? (rhethorical question obviously)
WOW, and star wars enabling possible by editing cust_flag value on the fly, just remembered from my SS.
Chaplan said:
blu_spark kernel is on the high value, bug free, stable, packed with useful features.
We get 300Mhz idle freqs, we get no notification delay and no connection drops for web apps, did I mention fastlane on blu_active governor?
Full features list is in the OP.
Performance is wild, battery runtime goes beyond anything else out there.
Better to throw it away on a flash indeed.
blu gets a lot of badmouthing from one particular corner but kernel and TWRP releases speak for themselves.
So, using blu_spark, why use anything else? (rhethorical question obviously)
WOW, and star wars enabling possible by editing cust_flag value on the fly, just remembered from my SS.
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your reply made my work easy
i will stick to blu spark .
thanks buddy
Anyone else curious? I am doing tests.
I'm on NitrogenOS, and use my own tweaks.
This test is not to make any kernel look bad.
These are the kernels I will test. (See Screenshot)
Plan to post results at end of entire testing, not per kernel.
Note: I have more than one Mady kernel listed, but I will only be testing latest. All test will be done using latest version of that kernel compatible with Latest NitrogenOS (4/13 version, until I complete my testing).
Edit : Usage will be mostly consistent. Plan on playing Injustice bout 30mins /day, otherwise just checking email, checking updates, playstore etc. Will tell if I do something different that day that I don't usually do.
Thanks for any interests. I am primarily doing these tests for fun & my benefit. Just thought others might like to see MY results.
You can all these kernels and A LOT more from this link: Thanks to @sidd007
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3t/how-to/info-list-oreo-roms-kernels-available-3-t3688139
Thanks to @sidd007 for helping me figure out how to get this thread up and running and for letting me take up space on his incredible thread
Thanks to @mady51 for his kernel. I vow to make these tests unbiased, but if it was not for his tremendous kernel, I would have to charge my phone a lot more often
Thanks to @flar2 because, well, because he's flar2
@osmosis To me, he is one of the greatest gifts to Android
Tweaks I will be using :
GFknQz TWeaKz
Depending on kernel, a lot of these settings may be set by default, with no need to adjust.
Set all on boot:
Underclock cpuz
Little Cluster - 1132
Big Cluster - 1056
Both min - 307
Both governors - Interactive (alternative alucard)
Disable Cpu TouchBoost
Disable msm_thermal
Enable Core Control
Do not allow work queues
Gpu:
Max frequency - 315
Min frequency - 133
Initial - 214
Powersave governor
Backlight Dimmer Enabled
High Brightness Disabled
Adaptive Memory Killer Disabled
ZRAM Disabled
Dirty Ratio 20
Dirty Background Ratio 5
Min Free kbytes 147456
VFS Cache Pressure 100
Overcommit Ratio 50
I/O - cfq (alternative maple)
Readahead 128
TCP Congestion - cubic (alternative westwood)
Block Wakelocks:
Wlan_wow_wl
Wlan_pno_wl
Wlan_ipa
Wlan_extscan_wl
Wlan
Sensor_ind
Qcom_rx_wakelock
Netmgr_wl
IPA_WS
[timerfd]
NETLINK
Disable gentle fair sleepers
I have added my kernel settings above. They may be adjusted, modified etc varying by kernel and/or rom I am using at the time, but generally they stay the same. My settings are ALWAYS the tweaks I use to get the best battery for my usage, BUT I will not tolerate lag or poor performance, and if I experience such things, I will update my posts and experiences. These settings work great for me, your usage surely differs, and therefore more than likely, your battery life and performance may differ as well. If my settings cause issues either don't use them, adjust the proper settings according to your issues, or post about it here, and I will TRY to find an answer or solution.
Thanks everyone
Anyone else curious? I'm offering to do a test. Semi-scientific. If I get enough likes here, I'll do it. If not, I'm not gonna waste my time.
I'm on NitrogenOS, and use my own tweaks.
My test would be these custom kernels. My tweaks are based on battery life more than performance. That being said, performance must be fluid, not noticeably lagging. Plan to charge phone to 100%, flash kernel, reboot, and let run for 24hrs discharging. I just want to see results using exkm battery monitor, and device battery use(phone idle, android system, etc). Edit : May include some bbs or accubatty stats
This test is not to make any kernel look bad. My tweaks, as mentioned, are to test kernels based on my battery saving settings. That does not mean that a kernel tested cannot test relatively poorly on my test, and not be the best possible kernel for performance, stability, game play, etc. You can do your own test if that's your preference.
These are the kernels I will test.
First test will be NitrogenOS stock kernel.
Plan to post results at end of entire testing, not per kernel.
Note: I have more than one Mady kernel listed, but I will only be testing latest. All test will be done using latest version of that kernel compatible with Latest NitrogenOS (4/13 version, until I complete my testing).
Edit : Usage will be mostly consistent. Plan on playing Injustice bout 30mins /day, otherwise just checking email, checking updates, playstore etc. Will tell if I do something different that day that I don't usually do.
Thanks for any interests. I am primarily doing these tests for fun & my benefit. Just thought others might like to see MY results.
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Well to make it a truly scientific test, I would need about, let's think, about 40 different roms, a dozen different kernels, stock oxygen os with stock kernel, that many roms on custom kernels no tweaks, that many roms on my settings, plus each rom on each custom kernel, so that's somewhere in the neighborhood of 16 billion oneplus-3 or 3t phones. My math may be off. More confused ??
I'm just testing NitrogenOS, the rom I use, on half a dozen different custom kernels. This experiment may not help anybody but me. But I can tell you without any doubt that kernels and settings do make a difference. I'm struggling to make 24 hrs on Nitrogen stock kernels with my tweaks. I started yesterday at 4pm, where I live, and just woke up at 7am and only have 49% battery, after minimal use yesterday. And this is usually the time I'm busiest on my 3t. So to think I'll make it 9 more hours of moderate usage is pretty hopeful. Maybe my setup merely conflicts with stock Nos kernel. That's a possibility. And that's a part of what I'm trying to determine. After I test the kernels on my tweaks, I'm going to test best 3 or 4 on devs stock settings. Maybe I am testing in reverse order of what I should. Regardless, I'm spending over a week to run the test. All kinds of factors go into usage, and all usage is different. If anybody else wants to test their way with their usage, I encourage it. We've all probably tried custom kernels on our roms at least a little. And found one that works for us. Slightly or vastly better than another. Im just doing it my way, and making my findings public here. People are welcome to ignore my results or take them with a grain of salt. That's entirely up to readers.
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I've revamped the way I'm doing test. For 2 reasons. My test started planning to use nos 4/13. But 4/15 dev made tons of changes to stock kernel again. I've been on Nitrogen long enough, and read every changelog, to know that @xyyx generally only updates kernel when it's important. So, in fairness, I'm using Nitrogen 4/15 now. Secondly, I decided, also in fairness, to use stock kernel settings per kernel. Meaning flash & forget. No tweaks on my end. To get more accurate results for the kernels themselves. Then I will take the best 3 or 4 and apply my tweaks and test. Once again, I am doing this voluntarily, and mostly for myself, but I will gladly share results. Each kernel, I will test 4pm(where I live) to 3pm the next day. I realized I need an hour to recharge . I'm about 5hrs away from my first actual test completion for Boeffla's. I'll post result here.
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Tweaks I will be using :
GFknQz TWeaKz
Depending on kernel, a lot of these settings may be set by default, with no need to adjust.
Set all on boot:
Underclock cpuz
Little Cluster - 1132
Big Cluster - 1056
Both min - 307
Both governors - Interactive (alternative alucard)
Disable Cpu TouchBoost
Disable msm_thermal
Enable Core Control
Do not allow work queues
Gpu:
Max frequency - 315
Min frequency - 133
Initial - 214
Powersave governor
Backlight Dimmer Enabled
High Brightness Disabled
Adaptive Memory Killer Disabled
ZRAM Disabled
Dirty Ratio 20
Dirty Background Ratio 5
Min Free kbytes 147456
VFS Cache Pressure 100
Overcommit Ratio 50
I/O - cfq (alternative maple)
Readahead 128
TCP Congestion - cubic (alternative westwood)
Block Wakelocks:
Wlan_wow_wl
Wlan_pno_wl
Wlan_ipa
Wlan_extscan_wl
Wlan
Sensor_ind
Qcom_rx_wakelock
Netmgr_wl
IPA_WS
[timerfd]
NETLINK
Disable gentle fair sleepers
I have added my kernel settings above. They may be adjusted, modified etc varying by kernel and/or rom I am using at the time, but generally they stay the same. My settings are ALWAYS the tweaks I use to get the best battery for my usage, BUT I will not tolerate lag or poor performance, and if I experience such things, I will update my posts and experiences. These settings work great for me, your usage surely differs, and therefore more than likely, your battery life and performance may differ as well. If my settings cause issues either don't use them, adjust the proper settings according to your issues, or post about it here, and I will TRY to find an answer or solution.
Thanks everyone
I'm charging my phone now. Test is complete for Boeffla kernel. And I have to say results are impressive. I'll post them after charge is complete
Boeffla's Latest for custom roms. Much better than my last Boeffla test on 8.1 custom rom.
Overall really good results. I was worried for a while. I played Injustice for almost an hour and my screen on percentage was over 18%.it is extremely cpu & gpu intensive tho, as I've said before. It evened out over time tho, to under 14%.if I was to rate this kernel, STOCK BOEFFLA SETTINGS, from MY EXPERIENCE, it would land a solid 4.1 out of 5. Or good to very good. Or above average. I have gotten better stats in the past with similar usage. But not much better. Had better battery stats and accu battery results for you guys, but they weren't in my screen shots when I tried to add them. But they were really good. Good dozing times, percentages etc. Idle time was very good.
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I like what you're doing. If you manage to keep your usage pattern consistent, that will be great.
One variable that I know has a big impact is the ratio of wifi to mobile data. I get get better usage when on wifi. And mobile data is also sensitive to signal strength. So, are you doing the tests in the same location or at least with the same profile of locations? And are you using wifi or mobile data?
One suggestion, though I know you've started your tests, is to charge the phone just before you go to sleep and start the test from that point. This will show how well the phone sleeps. The battery stats when you wake up are useful info to record.
You gave Boeffla a score of 4.1. Is this a subjective score or are you using an objective basis for the scoring?
One last comment: on my phone (stock OOS 5.0.1, rooted) I nearly always get excellent sleep results (battery drain of <0.3%/hr overnight). But occasionally I will get ~1.2%/hr due to the system not sleeping (100% awake with the screen off). A reboot fixes this.
So just make sure you aren't dealing with this outlier in your tests.
Looking forward to the rest of your tests.
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BillGoss said:
I like what you're doing. If you manage to keep your usage pattern consistent, that will be great.
One variable that I know has a big impact is the ratio of wifi to mobile data. I get get better usage when on wifi. And mobile data is also sensitive to signal strength. So, are you doing the tests in the same location or at least with the same profile of locations? And are you using wifi or mobile data?
One suggestion, though I know you've started your tests, is to charge the phone just before you go to sleep and start the test from that point. This will show how well the phone sleeps. The battery stats when you wake up are useful info to record.
You gave Boeffla a score of 4.1. Is this a subjective score or are you using an objective basis for the scoring?
One last comment: on my phone (stock OOS 5.0.1, rooted) I nearly always get excellent sleep results (battery drain of <0.3%/hr overnight). But occasionally I will get ~1.2%/hr due to the system not sleeping (100% awake with the screen off). A reboot fixes this.
So just make sure you aren't dealing with this outlier in your tests.
Looking forward to the rest of your tests.
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Thanks so much for your valid input. I meant to add information to op, but this is my first thread, and I'm still figuring some things out.
My tests are almost 100% on my home wifi, very little mobile usage. A couple of phone calls and several texts. I may be on mobile signal 10-15 mins a day, going to store and back for beer and/or cigarettes. I am disabled (foot) and work from home which is good for these tests. My wifi signal is pretty much 3 to 4 out of 4 bars constantly, so not much deviation there.
I was going to do my test before bed, but I may go to sleep 9 one night and midnight the next. Same with waking up. May be 6am one morning, and 10 the next. That's why I am doing it afternoonish.
I'm finding the hardest part of the test IS time consistency. Yesterday I completed the test for Boeffla kernel at 3pm, but then it took to 4:20 to fully charge for ceasium test. Then I updated a magisk module, and accidentally reboot killing my battery stats. So ceasium test started at 9pm. What I will make sure of is that it gets the same 23hr test as Boeffla s kernel, with same usage. By creating my own thread, I can share more stats throughout the day.
One last piece of info. I use greenify and naptime for better idle stats. Everything else right now is stock kernel settings the dev of that kernel cooks in. I do not necessarily consider naptime or greenify kernel tweaks, considering either one of those can be used on all kernels with or without root. Those settings will remain unchanged throughout testing, to maintain consistency.
Thanks again
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So far, about halfway through Caesium testing
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BillGoss said:
You gave Boeffla a score of 4.1. Is this a subjective score or are you using an objective basis for the scoring?
Looking forward to the rest of your tests.
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I'm just using my past experiences. I honestly do not expect any test to result in extremely poor results. But ir is paramount to me to be consistent. There is no official grading system being used. Pretty much rating kernels in relation to each others performance. Once again, to be clear. I do not want to criticize any kernel. I respect all of these developers work. I certainly do not have the skills (yet) to build my own kernel. I admire that ability very much
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There is a poll here!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3t/how-to/oreo-8-1-custom-kernel-test-t3779020
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gFknQ said:
So far, about halfway through Caesium testing
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Is that with stock settings ?
amrtalaat said:
Is that with stock settings ?
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Yes. All I did is flash ceasium kernel and reboot.
Not using any kernel manager to apply any tweaks
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gFknQ said:
Yes. All I did is flash ceasium kernel and reboot.
Not using any kernel manager to apply any tweaks
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Im in omni rom . If i flashed this kernel will i get ota weekly updates as regular ?
amrtalaat said:
Im in omni rom . If i flashed this kernel will i get ota weekly updates as regular ?
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Wrong thread. Ask that in the Omni ROM thread.
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amrtalaat said:
Im in omni rom . If i flashed this kernel will i get ota weekly updates as regular ?
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That is good question, unfortunately I do not have an answer. I'd ask omni or ceasium thread. I'm on Nitrogen, so can't say. But I don't see why kernel would interfere with ota at all. It's easy to flash and find out. All you have to do if it doesn't work for some reason is reflash omni rom as you usually would
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Ok thanks dude :good:
I have concluded this round of testing for Caesium DastardlyDurian.
I'm charging my phone for next test. I'm giving Boeffla a slight edge over Caesium. I'm giving it a 4 out of 5. I'll provide stats, screenshots, reasoning etc after my phone charges a little. I need to be at 100% to start next test.
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Here is my results for Caesium DastardlyDurian kernel. I was debating between 3.9 and 4, but will gladly give it a 4 and here's why.
I got very slim margin of difference between Boeffla and Caesium kernels. Here's why I was considering a 3.9
1) I've been using NitrogenOS with stock or Mady's kernels for almost 6 months. Startup time using either of these kernels is 99% between 42secs & 56secs. Caesium was also within this range. With Boeffla, it was consistently 32-42secs. This is not a significant factor to me. If I restart my phone 3times a day that's a total difference of about 30 seconds. Not a big deal to me. But it is a difference, and may matter to some. I have experienced this advantage of speedy boot up times with Boeffla kernels in the past. But still it makes little difference to me, but it is a difference.
2)Everything I did while using Boeffla's kernel was extremely snappy. We're talking fractions of a second of difference. But still a difference. I would not say Caesium lagged at all. But I noticed, so. And I had one forced close playing Injustice on Caesium. That is not extremely uncommon to me playing injustice on my tweaks, which are extremely battery saving centered. But I have no tweaks currently set up, just kernel stock. So...
Now here's the thing, and the ultimate reason I would still most likely favor Caesium kernel.
I used Caesium kernels for the majority of the time Oreo first came to OnePlus3T. I mean at the very beginning, it was there. The developer is GREAT. He seems no nonsense, but still allows off topic on his thread. What other OP does that!? I will, I'm fine with it if I can help somebody as long as they don't get upset if I can't. Also, he updates super frequently, and is open to a lot of questions, criticisms, suggestions, etc other devs and op are not.
Boeffla kernel is still considered beta(by him), for custom Oreo on 3t. But Boeffla loves charging as much $ as he can to use his kernel. I know, I've paid. And that's his choice, he can do that if he wants. He's extremely brilliant when it comes to getting the most out of a device and has always been and had one of the very best kernels for any device he's built for. Having said all those things, Jarvis has never charged for Caesium, and remains consistent with development etc. Technically Boeffla doesn't charge to use his kernel. Just for his kernel manager license to tweak his kernel. Currently Boeffla Oreo kernels are free to grab and tweak. Hopefully they will continue to be so after going stable. But based on MY EXPERIENCES, the guy is kind of a jerk. Extremely arrogant. If you don't pay for his license, he will not help you, and possibly not if you do. Not at all open to questions, or criticism etc. That is my opinion and other readers may not agree with my opinions or experiences with either of these developers or kernels.
But here is the results for Caesium. Almost identical usage and stats to my previous test. Great kernel, great developer. To me at this point, between these two kernels, it's a toss up, for the reasons listed above
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I'm starting next test in 12 mins for ElementalX
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