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I've had my Note a few months now and I still believe its the best tablet out there. The nexus 10 does have a higher resolution but the
Note screen is beautiful anyway, also I use the S pen for everything and it has an SD card, so that tips it for me.
I remember years ago when I was a lad buying hi-fi equipment or stuff like that, Samsung was always at the bottom of the pile, the Beko
of the hi-fi world, if you had Samsung, you just had crap. Sony and the others were the things to aspire to, and if you were really
lucky, Technics! So it really does amaze me how samsung have seemingly come from nowhere over the past few years and are in the
position they are in now.
I had the original Galaxy phone and I think that represented a milestone with its combination of Amoled screen and Android operating
system. The numbers it sold in clearly showed Samsung they had created a winner and that this was the direction to go in. Thankfully
they did. After that I had the original Note. The return of the stylus to the small screen devices was a masterstroke. I sold the Note a
few months ago as it was a bit big for me and I was missing the Sense user interface I had years ago on the HTC Blackstone. I'm now
using a One S.
I'd never be daft enough to be like one of those iSheep who cant think beyond what a marketing campaign tells them, or who has no
sense in value for money. But am I a Samsung Fanboy? Definitely.
P.S. Samsungs projected phone sales for 2013 are over half a billion units.
Samsung been producing top class electronics for years .
VCR TV DVD Hard |Drives SGS1 2 3 and Note 10.1 are just a few of my Samsung products .
Sony no longer cut the mustard in my view .
jje
I had the Original Samsung Galaxy Nexus and was only so-so on it. I quickly traded it for a Motorola Razr Maxx. But the S III looks like a great phone and most people that own it seem to really like it. The Note phones are just too big for my tastes. But it would be cool to have that form factor with a pen. I'm hearing rumors the S IV may have a pen with a smaller form factor than the Note. We'll see.
But I won't make the decision on my next phone, or any other product, just based on my love of the Note 10.1. But I will give them serious consideration, unlike Apple. I have no desire to go down that dark path.
Only for tables i love the built quality of htc phones i had hd2 for 3 years without a single scratch and i may consider htc butterfly as my next phone, but on tablets i have nerarly owned every samsung tablet out there and i will not buy any tablet rather than samsung again
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Fanboy? No...
In fact, I dislike Samsung because of some of their surreal business practices - like having reciprocal 'no sell' policy between Canada and the US that prevents me from buying Samsung products from stores like Amazon.com. Which would be ok - if Samsung Canada carried the same products as Samsung US, or at least allowed you to order them *through* Samsung Canada - but they don't. This makes their opening the first physical Samsung Store in Burnaby, BC, Canada rather surreal since the store carries a tiny fraction of what Samsung US sells.
The customer support is often wonky and frustrating (note, we North Americans are still waiting for *any* updates for the Note while it's already rolling out for the second time in Europe).
They try too hard to be Apple and get it wrong too often.
That being said, here's the reality - I have an Q1U-V tablet, a Series 7 Slate, a Galaxy Nexus and a Galaxy Note 10.1. I have two external DVD drives, both Samsung. About the only thing I don't own made by Samsung is a desktop computer or monitor. I've had to buy most of them by driving to the US and buying them over the counter and bringing them back to Canada.
Why?
Simple. While they don't get it perfectly right - they get far closer to what I want than anyone else does. In the end, really - I have no other options. And Samsung seems to be slowly fixing the things I find annoying - so I'm prepared to cut them a lot of slack.
So am I Samsung fan boy? No. But they are my main consumer electronics producer for now...
Nope. I tolerate them only because of the S-Pen. As soon as someone else comes out with one that runs Android I will jump ship immediately.
I don't really value the name of the company ..
Even apple , I believe it produces bad products when it comes to smartphones and tablets aka ipads .. but I dream of a mac laptop ..
I had a Samsung and I'm buying the next tablet from samsung again too ..
ONLY BECAUSE OF THE PEN AND THE SOFTWARE FEATURES ..
I have to admit It sucks when it comes to quality .. I never expected it would feel this bad ..
but It's still a Great device even with the bad feeling of the material of it :good:
I may have tendencies of fanboyism but tbh they do make quality products, it all started with my S3 then i bought an SSD and now the Note, all of which serve me well and work flawlessly.
I feel that the large departments for R&D which they possess play a large role in how good these devices are, e.g they have shrunk the die in many of their mobile chips in order to lower power consumption and heat production. Not many companies are capable of such things and this in my books is why samsung excels.
Nope
While I love my Note 10.1 and have had it since the first day it was released in the US it is far from the perfect tablet.
Proprietary charger.
Always a big negative in my book for any device. If you want to have more functionality than a standard usb form factor charger offers then include a second port for that functionality but leave the charging to a standard usb form factor plug.
Screen resolution.
While I have no real complaints about the screen I expect an apple style rollout this year of a new Note 10.1 with a higher resolution screen making all of us early adopters have to decide if the upgrade is worth it for something we all wanted and expected in the beginning.
Software Updates.
It is frustrating to watch multiple updates come out across the globe for items in the same family of devices without getting even a hint or update on the progress of updates for your region. I think Samsung could do a lot to quiet people's complaints on the update delays by communicating the progress and causes of delays to their users. Even without a definite release date just being able to see that it is in the pipeline would do a lot to satisfy me.
And one final minor issue for me.
Placement of the S-Pen in the body of the device.
The pen placement really confuses and frustrates me. It seems that the note is designed to be held in a landscape orientation, speaker placement, volume button directions, native app orientations, camera positions, accessory orientation, etc. That being the case why does the pen come out of the bottom of the device? If I am using a stand I have to lift up the tablet to get the pen out or put it back in place. When I hold the tablet in portrait orientation, which I do most of the time, because I am right handed I have to choose ease of access to the s-pen (camera to the left), or keeping the light sensors uncovered (camera to the right). I would guess the same from the reverse would be true for lefties. Upper left corner vertical in landscape, next to the power button, would have made much more sense as then the pen would be easily accessible from any position other than upside down while keeping the power and volume buttons accessible as well.
The note 10.1 is a great tablet. It is fantastic for taking notes and as a digital sketchbook but it isn't anything that would make me into a fanboy for Samsung.
I do love my note 10.1. The best tablet for me right now. Not the best at everything, but best overall. The nexus would have been my second choice.
Higher Res screen is no good for me as my eye sight is not as good as it used to be. So the nexus would not have been beneficial.
The nexus had no SD card slot, may as we have an ipad.
A big plus for me with the note is USB charge. I can go travelling and use the same extended battery for my phone and tablet.
My old tablet was an ald xoom. I sold it for 160 ukp and bought the note for 330 with 80 cashback, so it was a sub 100 ukp upgrade.
Yes it has. I have a Glaxy Player, GS3 and now a Note 10.1.
I think "fanboy," especially the way it's used on XDA, implies a kind of blindness favoring a specific manufacturer. I bought (coming from a i9100 SGS2) the Teg3 One X over the SGS3 when they came out because I liked the display, design, and Sense vs. TW.
Here's a quote from Samsung's CEO made in June:
"A particular focus must be given to serving new customer experience and value by strengthening soft capabilities in software, user experience, design, and solutions."
http://www.informationweek.com/mobi...ung-ceo-software-key-to-device-wars/240002193
It's clearly being taken to heart. The welcome and unique capabilities of the Note series make other Android devices look barren. I liked the features (I'm a productivity user) of the Note 10.1 so much I got a N2. And it has even more features than the 10.1. I was playing with a friend’s N10 over the holidays and it looks like a barren wasteland feature-wise compared to the Note. Similarly, he was amazed at what the Note could do that his N10 couldn't.
Samsung's raised the bar for other manufacturers in features and usability. From the "Phone X" leaks at Motorola it seems they've gotten the message. The N4/Optimus G and One X+/DNA/Butterfly are simply re-hashes of existing direction with better h/w. To me, features are like crack; once you're hooked they're hard to give up. So I'm not married to Samsung and would consider other devices but not if it means I'm going backward.
In the high-end space I think manufacturers that just mildly evolve their devices are going to be screwed going forward. As it is, their a generation behind Samsung and if Samsung keeps moving the goal ahead their struggles will only continue. Motorola survives because of Verizon and HTC actually lost market share with the introduction of the One series. From a volume and market share perspective everyone other than Samsung’s in trouble. It'll be interesting to see what's announced at CES and MWC in the next couple of weeks.
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Fanboy? No...
In fact, I dislike Samsung because of some of their surreal business practices - like having reciprocal 'no sell' policy between Canada and the US that prevents me from buying Samsung products from stores like Amazon.com. Which would be ok - if Samsung Canada carried the same products as Samsung US, or at least allowed you to order them *through* Samsung Canada - but they don't. This makes their opening the first physical Samsung Store in Burnaby, BC, Canada rather surreal since the store carries a tiny fraction of what Samsung US sells.
The customer support is often wonky and frustrating (note, we North Americans are still waiting for *any* updates for the Note while it's already rolling out for the second time in Europe).
They try too hard to be Apple and get it wrong too often....
That being said, here's the reality - I have an Q1U-V tablet, a Series 7 Slate, a Galaxy Nexus and a Galaxy Note 10.1. I have two external DVD drives, both Samsung. About the only thing I don't own made by Samsung is a desktop computer or monitor. I've had to buy most of them by driving to the US and buying them over the counter and bringing them back to Canada.
Why?
Simple. While they don't get it perfectly right - they get far closer to what I want than anyone else does. In the end, really - I have no other options. And Samsung seems to be slowly fixing the things I find annoying - so I'm prepared to cut them a lot of slack.
So am I Samsung fan boy? No. But they are my main consumer electronics producer for now...
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I laughed a little I'm not sure I quite agree with they "try to hard to be Apple and get it wrong too often." comment. What does that mean exactly?
Frankly Samsung has very clearly innovated, beyond and better than has Apple in many cases. I think one can only fault, if that's even a realistic term in this case, things like the heavy use of plastic vs metal/glass... but is that even really fair? Those same materials are what make the unit so "flexible" in many cases (replaceable battery, internal sd card, light weight, more resiliency when dropped).
I think if anyone is playing catch up now it's Apple. Samsung isn't building knock-offs, they are building better and in many ways different mouse traps. Even Samsung's software is well polished comparatively.
The only thing I dislike on the Note 10.1 is the lower res screen. But that's simply because I know there's better out there. However that doesn't mean it's low quality, quite the contrary it's an excellent screen.... I just wish it was as "excellent" as the one on my Note 2
It's not that I won't buy from other manufactures, Samsung has just made consistently the best products I have use recently. They have converted me from HTC for phones, and Nexus tablets. Now I own a galaxy s3, 8 Samsung pebble, a note 10.1, and a Samsung laptop. As long as they keep up the innovation and good customer service, I think I will stay with them for a long time. As much as everyone complains on these forums, I actually think their rollout schedule of updates is really good
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I'm not a samsung fan boy and i will never be one. Will never spend a penny on samsung products again.
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I'm not a samsung fan boy and i will never be one. Will never spend a penny on samsung products again.
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why?
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It would appear not to matter. Motorola and HTC both had new products in the period and still lost market share. LG maintains its percentage of market share primarily with low to mid-range devices. According to reports the N4's sold only 400K units so it's in high-demand from lack of supply.
I can say I.support Samsung now. This note 10.1 and SG3 are my first Samsung devices. They perform so well I left them stock. Not even rooting them. I underestimated them. They do produce some quality products.
I will say though I loved my previous Transformer Prime. Only reason I got refund on it(to buy note 10.1) was because I saw its forum and developement scene kin agoing downhill. It still was, IMO, a great experience. Its the price we pay to be on cutting edge technology at the time. I still have my Nexus7 to satisfy my Tegra3 /Asus needs though
I'd easily recommend either Samsung device I own to others. They work great out the box. Only thing I don't like is their updating software routines. but its cool with me since device works so well out the box.
Also I will likely be getting a Note 2 shortly. Then give my SG3 to my woman. I love that huge. 5.5in. SuperAmoled. Screen on it. It'll compliment my tablet well. Can you believe that that company Haewei is releasing a 6in+. Phone? Love it. Even the rumored SG4 will likely be at least 5ins. I love the phablet category!
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I can say I.support Samsung now.
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Whoever thought we'd see that day.
I'm having fun with my Note, it's a toy to me....Samsung has to do a lot more to lure me away from my HTC phones........
First of all let me make it clear I. Love. This. Phone. No question this is the best - functionality wise - phone I have had in more than 10 years. Because it is my daily driver and the attention grabber everywhere I went (until the S6 edge came out) I am even more disappointed/disturbed by Samsung treating the phone, and those that really like, as disposable.
Because Samsung billed this as a concept phone there is virtually ZERO real development for the edge panel since it was announced last September. The bad part is that Samsung themselves could have made useful panels but instead they dropped the ball. How many months more will we see that the panel store is "coming soon"? Instead of exploiting this feature and keeping us engaged it is now an exercise in futility hitting the download button to see the same panels or virtually useless ones that are not in a language you don't understand or is of zero use.
Then there s the ROM aspect. I used to do more flashing that Barry Allen back in the day. Have you seen the number of fully functional ROMS for this phone. It is slim to none. It seems Sammy's lack of passion to push the phone has pushed chefs to other devices. This is squarely on Samsung.
Lastly, I am an accessory fiend - admittedly. Finding GOOD accessories and add-on's to this phone have be like finding the Lost Ark of the Covenant. From buying 9 different screen protectors that promise to protect the actual edge - that don't or looking for a functional case almost everything is a chore or a serious waiting game. they have sucked the fun of really getting into this device - for me at least.
If this new article is to be believed they are even going to cut down on some of the specs from the Note 5 equivalent: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ge-2-features-leaked/articleshow/47204012.cms. I will not believe it until I see it but I do not feel good about the next iteration of the phone either. When you consider that there is no removable battery in the S6 nor a micro slot either things do not look good.
If things go as the article states and I see that the marketing and exposure for the Note Edge 2 or anemic I will stick with what I have now. Again, I love this phone which makes the stagnant interaction on this board and in products tick me off more. This could have easily been avoided.
I totally agree with everything you have said. I was so excited about the Galaxy Edge announcement! A phone with two screens and great specs. I still love my phone but like you I am extremely disappointed at the lack of development for our devices. I too used to flash a new ROM every few weeks but I can't. I also can't believe Samsung took their eye of the ball and stopped giving us Edge owners (people who put faith in their 'concept' design)exclusives or even panels (which was promised).
I have made a few posts in the DEV section asking why we have so few ROMS/tweaks etc. Apparently it is to do with not having the source code..even though it has been released..so I'm not sure if this is the real reason etc
I kinda agree as well. This phone has been rather dissapointing to me. Not because of lack of potential but lack of support and development. This phone had the potential to be epic but it is now shadowed by the over hyped s6 edge. Oh well. Im guessing because the s6 edge has had a great bit of responsiveness and praise the next note edge will be better supported. I kinda am torn with the idea of a smaller screen but 5.5 is still a good size screen.
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I absolutely disagree entirely
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Let me explain. ...
It's supposed to be a useful accessory. .... not a full blown new gadget.
When u look at it in that context it is incredible.
Just the
1) nightclock
2) edge board as the app tray
3) quicksetting shortcut functions
4) a second screen when dealing with quick functions such as music player etc
Are enough to make this worthwhile as adding tangible beneficial functionality.
Anything else is a bonus and won't really add much more utility. Yes it would be nice but won't add that much.
I'd bought this after some indecision as was pretty sure it wouldn't get developer support given the limited numbers. Took the plunge because the edge was just too enticing.
Couple of months on, am quite happy overall. The phone itself, as everyone agrees, is fantastic. Plus,
1. Lots of cases now, from flip to non flip. Range covers the edge as well as leaving it open.
2. Screen protectors have been a pain, especially the lack of glass ones. The plastic ones, however, do cover the full edge, and are quite smooth. You have to wait for a week or so for all the bubbles to vanish and the surface to really smoothen out, though.
3. ROMS are in short supply, but as if now, find it is responsive enough without too many tweaks. A lot of the mods for Note 4 work quite well, which eases the pain.
4. The Samsung panel store started well and then died out. But there are quite a few very useful productivity panels coming on play store now. I particularly like the quick settings and quick contacts ones. Still some shortage of content based feeds etc, but don't think that will be resolved.
So some minuses, but overall still very good. No thanks to Samsung, of course (which is the point of the OP, I suppose) ☺
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I'd bought this after some indecision as was pretty sure it wouldn't get developer support given the limited numbers. Took the plunge because the edge was just too enticing.
Couple of months on, am quite happy overall. The phone itself, as everyone agrees, is fantastic. Plus,
1. Lots of cases now, from flip to non flip. Range covers the edge as well as leaving it open.
2. Screen protectors have been a pain, especially the lack of glass ones. The plastic ones, however, do cover the full edge, and are quite smooth. You have to wait for a week or so for all the bubbles to vanish and the surface to really smoothen out, though.
3. ROMS are in short supply, but as if now, find it is responsive enough without too many tweaks. A lot of the mods for Note 4 work quite well, which eases the pain.
4. The Samsung panel store started well and then died out. But there are quite a few very useful productivity panels coming on play store now. I particularly like the quick settings and quick contacts ones. Still some shortage of content based feeds etc, but don't think that will be resolved.
So some minuses, but overall still very good. No thanks to Samsung, of course (which is the point of the OP, I suppose) ☺
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1) I agree about the range of cases but prefer the a flip that covers the edge. ...
Imo the protection is more important than the visibility.... 99% of the time u need the edge only. ... there is no problem with leaving the flip open. Eg when using as a night clock.
2) I think screen protectors are pointless. ...especially if u have a flip case.
Any protector inevitably takes away from usability.
I agree to an extent with the op. I guess one of the things I am most disappointed about is that ever since lollipop came out for our edge phones, the main features that were HUGE turn on to the edge screen have been removed. Case in point, the camera button that was on the edge screen is now off to the side of the phone. Even what little they offered in the edge screen in kit Kat has been reduced even further with lollipop. I truly feel that as great as this phone is, I should have stayed with my note 4. The edge was seriously overhyped to bring us in and then dropped like raw egg on concrete.
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I love love this phone. When I heard that S6 was to be edged both sides I was very disappointed in what they did to that generation. No removable battery and slot for SD card , I feel like I'm look I ng at a CrApple phone. If this is the way Samsung is going, I'll keep this phone till it dies and look elsewhere.
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I agree to an extent with the op. I guess one of the things I am most disappointed about is that ever since lollipop came out for our edge phones, the main features that were HUGE turn on to the edge screen have been removed. Case in point, the camera button that was on the edge screen is now off to the side of the phone. Even what little they offered in the edge screen in kit Kat has been reduced even further with lollipop. I truly feel that as great as this phone is, I should have stayed with my note 4. The edge was seriously overhyped to bring us in and then dropped like raw egg on concrete.
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Am wondering whether to upgrade. Could you mention any other negative changes? Thanks.
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Am wondering whether to upgrade. Could you mention any other negative changes? Thanks.
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If u like playing around with ROMS etc... then don't buy it.
If u r not fussed by that sort of stuff. ... there isn't a better phone in the world.
Should have clarified. I already have the edge. Wondering whether to upgrade to Lollipop
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I kinda agree as well. This phone has been rather dissapointing to me. Not because of lack of potential but lack of support and development. This phone had the potential to be epic but it is now shadowed by the over hyped s6 edge. Oh well. Im guessing because the s6 edge has had a great bit of responsiveness and praise the next note edge will be better supported. I kinda am torn with the idea of a smaller screen but 5.5 is still a good size screen.
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I think that for the most part the disappointment comes at the hands of Samsung. sure, would I love for the battery to have been bigger and give me a solid 6 hours screen time...of course. but from form factor, wow factor, functionality standpoint this phone is awesome. I just feel that by abandoning it - at launch - they left a lot on the table.
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I agree to an extent with the op. I guess one of the things I am most disappointed about is that ever since lollipop came out for our edge phones, the main features that were HUGE turn on to the edge screen have been removed. Case in point, the camera button that was on the edge screen is now off to the side of the phone. Even what little they offered in the edge screen in kit Kat has been reduced even further with lollipop. I truly feel that as great as this phone is, I should have stayed with my note 4. The edge was seriously overhyped to bring us in and then dropped like raw egg on concrete.
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I, personally, feel I got everything I expected and more. Especially from a superficial perspective. This phone turns heads -and go a few numbers for me :good: based on people not knowing what the heck it was. I actually got 6 people to buy the phone base on my conversation with them about all its features. With lollipop coming so late/ changing accustomed to features, the panel store sucking and limited to no development I can see how "overhyped" could be applied but for me its only from the standpoint that my expectation level was higher from a Samsung support and development standpoint.
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I love love this phone. When I heard that S6 was to be edged both sides I was very disappointed in what they did to that generation. No removable battery and slot for SD card , I feel like I'm look I ng at a CrApple phone. If this is the way Samsung is going, I'll keep this phone till it dies and look elsewhere.
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Amen brother! I saw the S6 in silver and was impressed by the look of it. when I saw the emasculated features of the side panels the first thing I thought of was: they are going to do something monumentally horrible to the note edge 2. Then I read the article I posted. I have not rooted the phone because, for the most part, it is a beast out the box. But if you are going to make the screen smaller, no removable battery, no card slot and have continually crappy support and development then I will stick with what I have until something better comes along. The sad part is that I am REALLY brand loyal. If you treat me right I will get in line to hand you my money for what I believe is something worthy to be purchased. Samsung is really making me question them. Yes, the note 5 is probably going to be a beast but I really like the Note edge dangnabbit and want them to just do what's right by the people they sold the edge to.
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Should have clarified. I already have the edge. Wondering whether to upgrade to Lollipop
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I took the plunge cuz so many people who flashed it said it made the phone run faster. no such luck here and my battery drains faster. If I could un-do it I would. But everyone's experience is not the same.
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In all honesty, the phone itself is awesome! I love the note edge. The problem is samsung development. They could have blown this to the moon and beyond, but it seems like they are trying to pull backon the edge screen. Even kitkat had more to offer than lollipop. The lollipop update has removed quite a bit of the edge screen features that made it so attractive to begin with.
I'd still buy the edge, but if they keep removing edge screen features, then id rather go back the note 4
Welcome to Samsung Folks
As much as I hate to say it, this is no different from what Samsung has always done in the past. This is their business model. The sooner they can obsolete devices, the sooner they can sell more.
The amazing thing is that they get the device to the point where it works very well, with the bare minimum features and stability they can get away with, and then totally forget about the device. The Gear S on my wrist, the Note 10.1 2012 and 2014, the Note 2, all of these devices Samsung got to work, worked out the majority of bugs, and left them without looking back.
This is what they do. Sadly, you buy a Galaxy device for what it is now, not what it can become in the future. They are locking them down tighter so developers can't do anything anymore, and carriers are loving every moment of it.
I watched videos of Samsung's developer conference and it was sparse. No one wants to mess with their devices anymore, and sadly, people messing with their devices is what got them to where they are now. That is what's changed. Just like jailbreaking iPhones was huge early on but fizzled out after Apple started to sell more devices based on the eye catching features outweighing the desire for customizability, rooting and building custom roms is fizzling out as Samsung sells crocksh*ts of Galaxy devices that have three or four excellent features that keep people buying them blindly without caring about customization.
Blogs are ignoring these issues brought up by OP because they are being paid or coerced or conned by Samsung into glorifying everything about the S6, while actively ignoring the Note. "If we give you this tester device, you aren't allowed to talk negatively about any of our other devices, and are limited to saying X, Y or Z about those other devices."
Samsung knows that the Note is the BEST phablet, or really, it is the BEST Android phone out there. Hands down. I'm not saying that because I like it, I'm saying it because based upon the balance between features and price, it is number one.
I have a Nexus 6. It isn't all that it is cracked up to be, and I wonder whether that's because Google is slacking off. In any case, I bought the Nexus a few days ago, and I'm already done with it. It is clearly a baseline phone. Current roms have nothing but kernel mods, everyone is trying to make it more "buttery smooth," and Xposed has been trampled by Samsung's big boot.
So what's really going on? Is Samsung thinking they don't have to try so hard because no matter what any other manufacturers do, they won't be able to match Samsung's eye catching features? Look at LG's attempts. They are good, but not ground breaking.
In any case, Google and manufacturers are taking back our customizability from us, and forcing us into the iPhone model, while throwing out a bone here and there and acting like Android is still the customizable and open ecosystem it has always been.
There it is.
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As much as I hate to say it, this is no different from what Samsung has always done in the past. This is their business model. The sooner they can obsolete devices, the sooner they can sell more.
The amazing thing is that they get the device to the point where it works very well, with the bare minimum features and stability they can get away with, and then totally forget about the device. The Gear S on my wrist, the Note 10.1 2012 and 2014, the Note 2, all of these devices Samsung got to work, worked out the majority of bugs, and left them without looking back.
This is what they do. Sadly, you buy a Galaxy device for what it is now, not what it can become in the future. They are locking them down tighter so developers can't do anything anymore, and carriers are loving every moment of it.
I watched videos of Samsung's developer conference and it was sparse. No one wants to mess with their devices anymore, and sadly, people messing with their devices is what got them to where they are now. That is what's changed. Just like jailbreaking iPhones was huge early on but fizzled out after Apple started to sell more devices based on the eye catching features outweighing the desire for customizability, rooting and building custom roms is fizzling out as Samsung sells crocksh*ts of Galaxy devices that have three or four excellent features that keep people buying them blindly without caring about customization.
Blogs are ignoring these issues brought up by OP because they are being paid or coerced or conned by Samsung into glorifying everything about the S6, while actively ignoring the Note. "If we give you this tester device, you aren't allowed to talk negatively about any of our other devices, and are limited to saying X, Y or Z about those other devices."
Samsung knows that the Note is the BEST phablet, or really, it is the BEST Android phone out there. Hands down. I'm not saying that because I like it, I'm saying it because based upon the balance between features and price, it is number one.
I have a Nexus 6. It isn't all that it is cracked up to be, and I wonder whether that's because Google is slacking off. In any case, I bought the Nexus a few days ago, and I'm already done with it. It is clearly a baseline phone. Current roms have nothing but kernel mods, everyone is trying to make it more "buttery smooth," and Xposed has been trampled by Samsung's big boot.
So what's really going on? Is Samsung thinking they don't have to try so hard because no matter what any other manufacturers do, they won't be able to match Samsung's eye catching features? Look at LG's attempts. They are good, but not ground breaking.
In any case, Google and manufacturers are taking back our customizability from us, and forcing us into the iPhone model, while throwing out a bone here and there and acting like Android is still the customizable and open ecosystem it has always been.
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Dude, the market moves a an absolutely blistering pace.. Before one device is even completed the tech inside of it is basically obsolete think of it from an research and development standpoint. They have to develop the best device they can, which I feel they do a damn good job at, so during the time of development they have to already be looking ahead to the next iteration of the same device. It's a giant cycle of constant improvement that takes time to design, to then develop, to implement it , and then market the **** out of it and in background the new device is already begun it's design and development process .. Samsung more so that not, delivers a top of the line device consistantly.. we here on xda tend to be more knowledgeable and more used to the tech than the average consumer whom maybe coming from some crap device to even a note 3 which would blow their mind not to mention the note 4 or edge. Come on Samsung is constantly smashing the competing oems in tech and design. Htc doesn't count because their internals are absolutely horrible, I don't care what it looks like because I know it's a pile of garbage. LG just looks at Samsung and then kangs the f out of them. Their ui is so twiz like it's not even funny. Except it runs like crap. Nice cams that's it. Samsung does a damn fine job in my opinion. Better than any other oem by miles. They aren't perfect, but they are still the best.
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Dude, the market moves a an absolutely blistering pace.. Before one device is even completed the tech inside of it is basically obsolete think of it from an research and development standpoint. They have to develop the best device they can, which I feel they do a damn good job at, so during the time of development they have to already be looking ahead to the next iteration of the same device. It's a giant cycle of constant improvement that takes time to design, to then develop, to implement it , and then market the **** out of it and in background the new device is already begun it's design and development process .. Samsung more so that not, delivers a top of the line device consistantly.. we here on xda tend to be more knowledgeable and more used to the tech than the average consumer whom maybe coming from some crap device to even a note 3 which would blow their mind not to mention the note 4 or edge. Come on Samsung is constantly smashing the competing oems in tech and design. Htc doesn't count because their internals are absolutely horrible, I don't care what it looks like because I know it's a pile of garbage. LG just looks at Samsung and then kangs the f out of them. Their ui is so twiz like it's not even funny. Except it runs like crap. Nice cams that's it. Samsung does a damn fine job in my opinion. Better than any other oem by miles. They aren't perfect, but they are still the best.
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No one argues, it is the best of the tippity top phones on the market.. the argument is in the developement and lack of support. Its like buying a laptop in order to have adobe photoshop where ever you are, and then finding out that they will no longer offer adobe photoshop to that one model. And then you find out that the next model of the same laptop is getting adobe photoshop, office suite pro, 283tb of unlimited cloud storage, and a date with sofia vergara with a garanteed handjob.... tell me you wouldnt be just a lil upset.. lol
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Should have clarified. I already have the edge. Wondering whether to upgrade to Lollipop
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I've recently upgraded to lollipop and at first I hated it - made my phone run slow, hot, and the battery drained super fast. As much as I hated doing it, I did the dreaded factory reset and restore, painstakingly loading back on the hundreds of apps and settings. But so far it's been worth it and the phone feels snappier than before. I can't really comment on battery life yet but hopefully that will be better too.
As for negatives I don't like that you can't deactivate the lollipop style notifications as now when browsing YouTube the notifications cover the screen.
Regarding the camera, I actually prefer to have the shutter button on screen, as it's easier to hit and the position of my fingers mean that I know longer get a finger in the shot!
I really wish I saw this thread yesterday!!! I just came home with the Sprint variant and found this two minutes after I updated to Lollipop and rooted.. Are you serious? Did I just drop $800 on "THE BEST DEVICE SINCE SILICON WAS DISCOVERED!!" that is basically a Betamax player already?!? (showing my age with that reference..) If I read y'all correctly, I'm stuck with TouchWiz, I can't discover that perfect "unknown" little custom ROM to flash, and I basically ruined the eponymous Edge by upgrading from 4.4.4? Really? K.. deep breath...
Lollipop has killed the Edge. It was a great phone out of the box with Kit Kat. Although AT&T shoved the update down our throats, the community has come through with a downgrade. Development has been slow but im sure and hope itll come around. Its my daily driver and I am more content with smaller mods and full functionality over full blown customization.
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Hello fellow smartphone users,
Just something that annoys me, feel like talking about it.
My contract with my mobile provider is over and I can now choose a new contract with a phone
I own a LG G3 since may 2014. I swapped my G2 for the G3 just because of the external SD. Other changes were minimal, but the SD was a must for me.
Now normally you would be happy when your contract is over and you get to choose a new phone, but honestly I'm disappointed. The G3 is a great phone, works very well and has all things one can expect in a todays flagship phones.
Smartphone innovation has stopped. What do the new "flagships" even have to offer that would improve smartphone use? It feels like they desperatly try to make up new things like ow lets add another GB of RAM. Make the phone bigger so there's more room for that extra GB, make it look a little different and sell it as the next big thing.
Right now I feel like waiting till they release new phones like idk the S7 or G5, but honestly there's absolutely no need for a newer phone.
What do you guys think?
Im gonna switch back to iphone ..durability is outstanding and way better than my g3 ..also I have to order a new camera lens due to scratching screen 10$ not a big deal but hey ...also this lag get me to a point of no return ..
send from LG G3
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Im gonna switch back to iphone ..durability is outstanding and way better than my g3 ..also I have to order a new camera lens due to scratching screen 10$ not a big deal but hey ...also this lag get me to a point of no return ..
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With the amount of smashed screens I've seen on iPhones. I'd say durability is outstandingly bad.
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I think that's a really interesting point. Just got my HTC One M7 back to work to fiddle around with it a little bit and it performs sooo well even compared to my G3 (that's running AOSP). There is a Full HD screen and an all metal body - pretty much standard by now for many OEMs. 2013 was in general a major step forward in the smartphone territory, the last 2 waves of flagship were not even close to being so game-changing.
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I think that's a really interesting point. Just got my HTC One M7 back to work to fiddle around with it a little bit and it performs sooo well even compared to my G3 (that's running AOSP). There is a Full HD screen and an all metal body - pretty much standard by now for many OEMs. 2013 was in general a major step forward in the smartphone territory, the last 2 waves of flagship were not even close to being so game-changing.
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exactly. It's like they're out of innovation. It seems main points of smartphone innovation used to be better screens, faster processor for a smoother and faster user experience and thinner body. But it seems those points are perfected in some way. Higher resolution screens wouldn't do any good. The used software is fast enough and gets all the processing power it needs. Overall graphics are awesome. GPU power can always be improved ofcourse but c'mon who even wants to play call of duty or fallout 4 on a smartphone. And phones are thin enough. Only innovation on battery power would make a significant difference, but that requires entire new technology which isn't developed yet.
At this point smartphones are handheld computers as well as telecommunications devices. What is new in computers from year to year? Hardware. So what do you get with a new laptop this year vs one from last year? faster processors, more memory, SSDs are so 2 years ago, touchscreens more so, Phones, like computers, for the most part 2 year old computers are still working fine so sure, you can get along just fine with a 1 or 2 year old phone. Hardware is in control of the manufacturer, software provided by Google...so new phones from year to year will have better cameras, more RAM, more storage, faster processors, and with new developments in display technology, will be more durable (providing some manufacturers finally drop the idea of glass encased cases..SMH).
Well its kinda off topic but the new Windows mobile with its continuüm is a innovation ithink and a Iris scanner.
But for Android not so much ithink?
well, from my point of view the things i say:
If you are a geek, if you like to be "on top of tecnology" is obvious you want the newer phones, the most talked in the moment but you have a price for that and if you dont care about so go ahead!
If you are satisfied with your device and dont care about evolution, newer things and think "well, is all the same but only with 2 or 3 things different" then i say: stick with your actual phone!
- All depends of your need's or your brain! For me i dont care about better or worst, i have a G3, i love the device and i will keep it as long as i can, and now i will buy a G Flex2 just because the curvature and for SD810 (i know is a problematic processor but i dont care, i want to try it!) and for the experience to have a curved screen! For me LG are my thing, i cant move to other brand, and if you see my history with phones you know i am a LG and Sony user. I dont go for Sony anymore because they dont do it so well as LG does.
I love LG phones because i get in love with back keys, i cant live without them now, and get back to a phone without them is like to go to stone age!
I like the UI of LG, i cant live without IR Blaster now, is so usefull and because my job is eletronics, i work a lot with TV's, STB's and other things and have a IR Blaster to keep me away for the Remotes and have a phone to do that things is a must for me!
It's my opinion, and i will go for G Flex2 because theyr ridiculous price right now (i can order it for 260€ ~280$) and for the hardware they offer worth a lot the price!
I dont go for apple products because i think they dont worth the price they want for theyr products, i think is a steal to consumers because every year they launch a different one with 1 or 2 things different but the apple users brain says "i have to get the last because i am on top of the tecnologic world" - shut up guy's iphone's is only for status, i cant see other thing from people who buy that thing!
If anyone give me one iphone i sell it as fast i could and for the price i get for it i will buy 2 LG phones, and with better specs...and for sure i will keep the change!
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well, from my point of view the things i say:
If you are a geek, if you like to be "on top of tecnology" is obvious you want the newer phones, the most talked in the moment but you have a price for that and if you dont care about so go ahead!
If you are satisfied with your device and dont care about evolution, newer things and think "well, is all the same but only with 2 or 3 things different" then i say: stick with your actual phone!
- All depends of your need's or your brain! For me i dont care about better or worst, i have a G3, i love the device and i will keep it as long as i can, and now i will buy a G Flex2 just because the curvature and for SD810 (i know is a problematic processor but i dont care, i want to try it!) and for the experience to have a curved screen! For me LG are my thing, i cant move to other brand, and if you see my history with phones you know i am a LG and Sony user. I dont go for Sony anymore because they dont do it so well as LG does.
I love LG phones because i get in love with back keys, i cant live without them now, and get back to a phone without them is like to go to stone age!
I like the UI of LG, i cant live without IR Blaster now, is so usefull and because my job is eletronics, i work a lot with TV's, STB's and other things and have a IR Blaster to keep me away for the Remotes and have a phone to do that things is a must for me!
It's my opinion, and i will go for G Flex2 because theyr ridiculous price right now (i can order it for 260€ ~280$) and for the hardware they offer worth a lot the price!
I dont go for apple products because i think they dont worth the price they want for theyr products, i think is a steal to consumers because every year they launch a different one with 1 or 2 things different but the apple users brain says "i have to get the last because i am on top of the tecnologic world" - shut up guy's iphone's is only for status, i cant see other thing from people who buy that thing!
If anyone give me one iphone i sell it as fast i could and for the price i get for it i will buy 2 LG phones, and with better specs...and for sure i will keep the change!
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Well, I am a tech guy, and I have always wanted the best. Not just with technology, but also with musical instruments(i'm a musician). I need to have the best guitar, I need to have the best amplifier, I need to have the best pc, graphics card, and ofcourse phone. I have always had the latest flagships since smartphones became a thing. But now it doesn't feel like that. I would need to spend some extra money on my new contract and pay about €200 intitial costs, but for the first time it feels like it's not worth it, but the "need for the best" is still there, believe me
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Well, I am a tech guy, and I have always wanted the best. Not just with technology, but also with musical instruments(i'm a musician). I need to have the best guitar, I need to have the best amplifier, I need to have the best pc, graphics card, and ofcourse phone. I have always had the latest flagships since smartphones became a thing. But now it doesn't feel like that. I would need to spend some extra money on my new contract and pay about €200 intitial costs, but for the first time it feels like it's not worth it, but the "need for the best" is still there, believe me
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you have to choise, if you want to trow money to junk or to spend less but have your needs only!
i know your point, and i am the same but i never feel "love" for apple, i dont think theyr products atractive, and never think they are high end...because they arent!
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you have to choise, if you want to trow money to junk or to spend less but have your needs only!
i know your point, and i am the same but i never feel "love" for apple, i dont think theyr products atractive, and never think they are high end...because they arent!
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yeah i'm not talking about apple. Apple is out of the question. Extremely overpriced, retarded company charging 100 extra for extra storage, purposely excluding a 32gb version. Breaks to easy and is build to last 2 years. There are always battery problems, which can not be removed ofcourse because, you know, **** you, you don't get a removable battery or SD slot, or the possability to replace parts. Need a new screen?, better buy a whole new phone. My parents actually got the advice to buy a new ipad when their new one didn't start anymore. When I got it in my hands, I pushed some buttons and it seemed it was only in recovery mode.
nonono apple is not even an option, don't even get me started on their purposely locked software with retarded compatability for pretty much anything
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yeah i'm not talking about apple. Apple is out of the question. Extremely overpriced, retarded company charging 100 extra for extra storage, purposely excluding a 32gb version. Breaks to easy and is build to last 2 years. There are always battery problems, which can not be removed ofcourse because, you know, **** you, you don't get a removable battery or SD slot, or the possability to replace parts. Need a new screen?, better buy a whole new phone. My parents actually got the advice to buy a new ipad when their new one didn't start anymore. When I got it in my hands, I pushed some buttons and it seemed it was only in recovery mode.
nonono apple is not even an option, don't even get me started on their purposely locked software with retarded compatability for pretty much anything
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ok, now i get cleared about what you want! well...all depends of the offer your network offers, if you want a update better wait 1 or 2 months because V10 is out there and some networks will have it, or wait more and get the G5 wich i can tell is the bomb for the new year, i belive SD820 be inside it!
honestly i think smart phones have hit that 'ceiling' in evolution, same way dumb phones have hit the ceiling right before the iphones changed up everything (didnt really change but more like pivot in a different direction with more overhead evolution).
Manufacturers can stick in better spec processors, ram, storage etc.. but as long as people feel they have everything that they need currently, then we're stuck in a loop until convinces us otherwise.
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Im gonna switch back to iphone ..durability is outstanding and way better than my g3 ..also I have to order a new camera lens due to scratching screen 10$ not a big deal but hey ...also this lag get me to a point of no return ..
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seriously dude? i owned iphone, not the latest one like iphone 6, 6+ and 6Sh*t + Rose Gold..
it's just Black Coloured iPhone5S and i use it for my second number..
here's my own review in term of PERFORMANCE and DURABILITY
yes, iphone is a real lag-free devices, the software is real outstanding !
it's worth to pay for that ( iOS ) but unfornately the iphones not even great in term of durability
my iphone crack it screen twice in my pockets! LOL.. maybe my jeans is too tight i guess..
so i replaced it twice and already waste around $200 for that S*tty Screen.
and in terms of BATTERY LIFE and CAMERA
my iPhone is worser than my G3 ( avg 14 hours ) or my Xperia ZL ( avg 8 hours ) or maybe Lenovo A889 ( avg Almost a day )!
Please take note that i'm not a heavy user, enough for socialing and clash of clans only.
for camera, both doing great job ( flawless result ) but extra score for G3 with additional support for 4K video, OIS and RAW with XCam.
Don't Forget! G3 also have front facing flash too.. so i wouldn't need the iPhone 6Sh*t for an upgrade..
As conclusion, iphone easy to use in one hand while android is real fun to use.. NO JOKE!
but it's customizable.. even jailbroken iphone can't be customized too much.. still boring
what i can say, it's your choice.. and this is my opinion.. bear in mind that nothing is perfect
everything made has it's own pro's and cons depend on what purpose do you use it for..
Final word from me, i'm still use both of it... im satisfied with both G3 and iPhone 5S
I definitely agree with you on the fact that these recent phones have just been disappointing. I was itching to buy the 6p when I heard about it, but then when I realized they removed external battery and SD card that was my deal breaker. It's really sad that our contracts can expire and we can still prefer our current phones, but I have hope that we'll see some amazing stuff in the next few years. I'm currently in love with my g3, and the only thing that'll take it away from me is an equal device with a fingerprint scanner.
However, right now seems to be the year of software. We're getting an amazing update compared to our lollipop experiences, and google is really refining itself.
OP welcome to the world of corporate marketing.
Coming from the last 4 generations of nexus phones, the G3 was my first non nexus in a while. I kept it for 11 months, but i could never get used to the lag and choppy animations, it just hurt my eyes. I liked the camera though. Recently i sold it and switched back to my nexus 5, and i cannot describe enough how silky smooth it is on Marshmallow, every transition animation, every action, it's just a pleasure to use, despite being a 2 year old phone.
For me, the only candidate for a possible upgrade would be the nexus 6P, but i might as well just skip this generation and wait for a 2016 stock android flagship.
I'm not returning to laggy phones anymore.
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Coming from the last 4 generations of nexus phones, the G3 was my first non nexus in a while. I kept it for 11 months, but i could never get used to the lag and choppy animations, it just hurt my eyes. I liked the camera though. Recently i sold it and switched back to my nexus 5, and i cannot describe enough how silky smooth it is on Marshmallow, every transition animation, every action, it's just a pleasure to use, despite being a 2 year old phone.
For me, the only candidate for a possible upgrade would be the nexus 6P, but i might as well just skip this generation and wait for a 2016 stock android flagship.
I'm not returning to laggy phones anymore.
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I experienced lag aswell when the 5.0 update was released. After the first update this problem was solved for me. Also some advice or just a little trick idk, I also turn off some animations or speed them up in the developer mode menu in order to make things a bit quicker and possibly less laggy. When this is done the phones feels faster.
Right now I'm waiting for the 2016 releases aswell. We'll see what LG or maybe samsung has to offer coming year.
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OP welcome to the world of corporate marketing.
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hahaha I know, I know. I know all about business strategy and marketing, But still, this year it feels a little bit more like trying to be innovative instead of being innovative
Where is my my small flagship... Motox x gen 1 with g3 or better speed
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Well I just went to AT&T to try the LG v20. It's as big as an iPhone 7 Plus, but I have to say I thought it was fantastic. It's screen is slightly bigger, it's brighter (!) which surprised me and when I ran gagnam style on both (always my test video) I have to say that I thought the screen was better on the v20. The whites are whiter and the Note looked yellowish by comparison. Very interesting. It's also far quicker at switching apps, as fast as the iPhone. Camera is very quick too.
Anyway just food for thought. There is life after the Note7
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Gagnam style lol nice... Thats what im considering going too. I have yet to see it so i want to actually hold it and play with it before i make a decision
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Yeah if I have to replace my note I'm thinking the v20. Don't want the s7 edge (had it as a loaner and it was okay but not great). Only disappointment is that I won't be able to use my new gear vr. Also, at&t's version won't come with those earphones
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Gagnam style lol nice... Thats what im considering going too. I have yet to see it so i want to actually hold it and play with it before i make a decision
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Gagnam is great as its bright, colorful and many scene changes, and you can test the sound too.
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I will take the v20, 64gb storage, 4gb ram, usb-c, 5.7 screen, android 7.0, not water resistant, but its not like you can use the note 7 for snorkeling so, I think the note 7 is done. So lets go LG
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How about the new "newer" note 7....maybe available in a few weeks
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How about the new "newer" note 7....maybe available in a few weeks
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I am hoping the exynos version for all.
Yeah I think I may wait to see what Samsung does to try to keep my business. My guess is that they realize this is a big pain to customers and will hopefully offer a special deal to keep them loyal. If not I will probably switch to a different brand. Not sure what yet though since there isn't much that compares.
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Yeah I think I may wait to see what Samsung does to try to keep my business. My guess is that they realize this is a big pain to customers and will hopefully offer a special deal to keep them loyal. If not I will probably switch to a different brand. Not sure what yet though since there isn't much that compares.
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Unless they have a Note 7.5, Note 8, or an S8 ready to go, I'm done. They have treated me like crap throughout this entire recall.
Probably going back to Apple this year.
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Unless they have a Note 7.5, Note 8, or an S8 ready to go, I'm done. They have treated me like crap throughout this entire recall.
Probably going back to Apple this year.
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I feel ya, but I could never go back to Apple. Like being handcuffed... Just can't stand iOS, the device itself is awesome but can't stand iOS.
I still have an S7e so I will probably go back to that for the short term. I love the Note line even if it is re-branded I will look at the Note 8 next year.
i did the same, returned Note 7 for pre order of LG V20 this morning. The camera was extremely fast, it was snapping pics as fast as I hit the button. The screen was slightly bigger, or appeared to be anyway (good thing). I like the little display on the top as well, and display looked much better than I expected. Cant wait for my order to arrive!
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I feel ya, but I could never go back to Apple. Like being handcuffed... Just can't stand iOS, the device itself is awesome but can't stand iOS.
I still have an S7e so I will probably go back to that for the short term. I love the Note line even if it is re-branded I will look at the Note 8 next year.
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I settled for the S7 Edge once already, because Samsung screwed up the Note 5. That's 2x in a row in my book. I don't want to go back to it, because 1.) I'm spoiled by the Note 7's 64GB plus expandable storage, and 2.) The edges are more obvious, and i do not like them at all. There's also the lack of S- pen and hdr. The Note 7 also boosts the audio for video playback, which I loved.
**I consider the Note 5 a flop, because there was no expandable storage and 64GB max onboard. The same reason that I haven't bought a 1+3. NB4 you don't need more than 64GB. If company says "Never Settle", don't tell me to settle.**
If I go back to Apple, I get the water resistance, imessage, stereo speakers, unrivaled speed, great battery life, and a home button that is not on-screen (lookin at you, Google and LG). I also lose micro sd (got 256 on-board so), fast charging, wireless charging, qhd, and certain freedoms on the software.
If Samsung would let me buy a Note 7, or if the 1+3 could take a micro sd card, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But the Pixel XL is crap (my opinion), the htc 10 is too small, the S7 Edge is too curvy, and the 1+3 lacks enough storage. I know, I'm picky.
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I settled for the S7 Edge once already, because Samsung screwed up the Note 5. That's 2x in a row in my book. I don't want to go back to it, because 1.) I'm spoiled by the Note 7's 64GB plus expandable storage, and 2.) The edges are more obvious, and i do not like them at all. There's also the lack of S- pen and hdr. The Note 7 also boosts the audio for video playback, which I loved.
**I consider the Note 5 a flop, because there was no expandable storage and 64GB max onboard. The same reason that I haven't bought a 1+3. NB4 you don't need more than 64GB. If company says "Never Settle", don't tell me to settle.**
If I go back to Apple, I get the water resistance, imessage, stereo speakers, unrivaled speed, great battery life, and a home button that is not on-screen (lookin at you, Google and LG). I also lose micro sd (got 256 on-board so), fast charging, wireless charging, qhd, and certain freedoms on the software.
If Samsung would let me buy a Note 7, or if the 1+3 could take a micro sd card, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But the Pixel XL is crap (my opinion), the htc 10 is too small, the S7 Edge is too curvy, and the 1+3 lacks enough storage. I know, I'm picky.
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I have been anti apple for as long as I can remember. I do not like apple for many reasons from being so constrained on a phone I own to apples business model to apples proprietary hardware etc etc. BUT this time I decided to give the 7+ a try for 1 year after i returned my Note 7. So far after 2 weeks I have absolutely nothing bad to say about my 7 Plus. It is incredibly fast, incredibly powerful and just down right does everything perfectly EXCEPT they are having some bluetooth issues with certain devices. One of those happens to be my 8.4" UConnect headunit that it is not streaming nicely with. Random skips and choppy audio when streaming music. But my headunit has ipod controls so I simply plug my 7 Plus into a usb port and stream my music that way and it charges the phone as well. If you do go 7 plus I dont think you will be unhappy with it. Also the standby time and overall battery life is outstanding. I first got a silver one then decided I want black instead so my 128GB Silver one is on ebay right this second with 2 days left in the auction. Brand new condition.
So I talked to someone I know that works for Samsung. Samsung is a business partner of the company I work for. It is not looking good. Right now there are two options being discussed internally at Samsung.
1.) Stop the production of the Note 7 ALL together and refund everyone who bought one. This is an issue because phones sold on a secondary market may be difficult to get refunds for. It also will cause many users to leave Samsung all together and go the LG V20 / Pixel / iPhone 7 rout.
2.) Do ANOTHER recall replacement. I was told a new run of the phones would be available by the end of the month to be swapped out if Samsung chooses to go down this path AGAIN. I would hope the 3rd time is the charm and this 3rd build of the phone is perfect. However this has issues as well. There is a chance some if not all of the USA carriers won't pick up the 3rd version of the phone AT ALL and not offer it as a replacement to consumers. Also if it is offered as a replacement there is still not guarantee that USA carriers will EVERY being to sell it as new again.
Both of these options leave me with a few concerns.
1.) This phone will probably NEVER have the correct software support it deserves. Meaning IF it gets the android 7.1 update in the 4th quarter of this year like it is supposed to it will probably be the only update it ever gets. Also it may not get the monthly security patches ever, which makes this not usable for my work.
2.) I do not know what Samsung can do to restore confidence with me that this 3rd version of the Note 7 will not one day blow up. I have also lost all faith in the CPSC. I mean what are they doing this time that will GUARANTEE that this version of the phone won't blow up as well. Just seems like its going to be a hard sell to me.
3.) Samsung still seems a bit short sited to me on fixing this issue. If they really want to "stop the bleeding" of loyal customers they need to focus on future product sales. Again this means leaving the Note 7 dumpster fire behind, but it also means trying to convert note 7 users into future sales. I would hope they would consider offering a discount voucher for a Samsung phone bought in the future as a part of this 2nd recall, but judging by everything I have seen coming from their company it looks like they are more worried about the now, and they are going to lose even more customers because of it.
Anyone have any other thoughts? What would it take for Samsung to get you to stay with the Note 7, or in the future consider buying a S8 or a Note 8?
What stores have the lg v20 demo?
I returned both of ours for a full refund.. Ordered an axon 7 and a oneplus 3 as replacements.
Seriously I went into my local Att store and no V20 demo unit there.
Heres my 2 cents. I came from the Note 4, and the Note 2 before that, so you can understand the waiting I had to do in order to get something amazing. The Note 7 checks so many boxes off of a long list of features that I have always found useful. The pen, the screen size and resolution as well as top specs in the cpu and ram department every time they are released. But, this one thing that kept buggin me on the newer Notes was the non-removable batteries. It was the reason I held out on upgrading the Note 4 for so long. And here we are witnessing something that is hugely affected by the decision of not including that capability.
In terms of what Samsung should have done, its obvious - they should have included a slightly smaller battery in terms of thickness and capacity in order to reduce the risk of defects. Something like a smaller/thinner 3000 mah battery would have been totally fine. Even a slightly thicker version of the 3600 mah battery and thicker chassis would have been fine as well. But my honest opinion is that devices that are catching fire are actually suffering from some slight bending in the chassis at some point after they are purchased. This most likely would be something like dropping it hard or even having it bend slightly when in a pocket. Im thinking the latter is the cause for the batteries to have warped a tiny fraction causing the layers/connectors in the batteries to warp. But this is an inherent risk with all batteries in phones I think. Its just exponentially worse the thinner you go. And if the production tolerances on both those aspects are so dang tight, expect more issues than say an Iphone which can bend all day and still not catch fire.
It would be great to see Samsung give people full refunds for international variants and exchanges through carriers like they are doing. Should they give a discount for future devices? It would be awesome obviously from a consumer standpoint. Will they actually give some discount of meaningful value? Most likely not. They are a massive multi-billion dollar corporation. I would think the Note customer base is the smaller of their top 2 devices. So even if they lose some of this crowd, there is still the massively successful S7/S7 edge crowd to bank on. Especially since we will be seeing the S8 in like 4-6 months. Its actually smart of them to stagger device releases in this case. I'm not particularly excited about anything else being released this year. Google has the specs now, but looks so boring. And that top headphone jack...just ugh. The iphone as everyone saw is just a placeholder until next year. The V20 is, well, just another LG phone. Tough decisions all around at this point.
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This store has a demo, I messed with it for a bit while my Note 7's were being returned.
7025 FM 1960 RD E STE. 100, HUMBLE, TX 77346
Anyone played with an Honor 8 or the ZTE AXON?
I am not a fan of LG devices.
I'm probably go back to the S7e but it's really not a great replacement.
How many people would get another replacement Note 7 if one is offered?
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Anyone played with an Honor 8 or the ZTE AXON?
I am not a fan of LG devices.
I'm probably go back to the S7e but it's really not a great replacement.
How many people would get another replacement Note 7 if one is offered?
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I will , but I will wait to trade mine in . When they have them in the store , then I will go. I still want this phone , its why I bought it in the first place.
Which phone will be more long lasting in terms that it will not slow down after Android or Interface (Samsung Experience, One UI) upgrades?
I'm looking between these 2 phones for the one that will have a better CHANCE for lasting 5 years being as quick and as “battery life good” AS POSSIBLE.
I think all of us know that the OEMs make our phones slower by patches, upgrades with attached algorithms to slowly month after month (so we couldn’t notice) shorten the battery life, slower the speed and make battery consumption bigger with sole intention for us to buy a new model next year or in the next 2 years.
BTW I don’t need the Pen and I don’t play any games and I don’t need a super good cam. EDIT: no rooting and no custom romming for me on that device for ever.
If I don't need the Pen why to bother with Note you may ask?
Well, I hope that Note being the business phone is going to be treated better by Samsung in the above terms than a Galaxy S phone, but maybe it’s the other way around?
What do You think?
No Android phone will last you 5 years without feeling crippled.
Besides that, you don't sound like you need a Note at all and the Note doesn't get any specific treatment from Samsung, it has older components, it is less popular, it is worse in literally everything by being a generation behind.
I don't know your prices, but if price is not an issue then get the S10+ and stop worrying for at least 3 years, I'm easily getting 12-14h SoT whenever I want to, the battery is great and we still have to get plenty of updates.
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No Android phone will last you 5 years without feeling crippled.
Besides that, you don't sound like you need a Note at all and the Note doesn't get any specific treatment from Samsung, it has older components, it is less popular, it is worse in literally everything by being a generation behind.
I don't know your prices, but if price is not an issue then get the S10+ and stop worrying for at least 3 years, I'm easily getting 12-14h SoT whenever I want to, the battery is great and we still have to get plenty of updates.
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Thank You
I value Your opinion but during years I saw plenty of comments and sellers claiming that Note is better cause aimed for business. The comparison was always like this :Galaxy S(gen) with Note(gen-1)
From the beginning till Note8 it the above scenario Note was always more expensive on premiere day.
But this year S10+ prices was 26 USD more than Note's 9 on premiere day - sad to say (for Note fans) maybe somethings wrong is about to go down like no more busyness phone treatment for Note series.
But I still do believe that Note is somehow treated better but after that price reversal I wanted toread what You think.
What do You think about that dangerous Pie+oneUI update (dangerous because look what it did to my S8)? - that's in Note 9 case.
PLEASE USERS tell me what You think of all of this???
androidbadboy said:
Thank You
I value Your opinion but during years I saw plenty of comments and sellers claiming that Note is better cause aimed for business. The comparison was always like this :Galaxy S(gen) with Note(gen-1)
From the beginning till Note8 it the above scenario Note was always more expensive on premiere day.
But this year S10+ prices was 26 USD more than Note's 9 on premiere day - sad to say (for Note fans) maybe somethings wrong is about to go down like no more busyness phone treatment for Note series.
But I still do believe that Note is somehow treated better but after that price reversal I wanted toread what You think.
What do You think about that dangerous Pie+oneUI update (dangerous because look what it did to my S8)? - that's in Note 9 case.
PLEASE USERS tell me what You think of all of this???
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What happened to your S8?
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What happened to your S8?
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When I updated trough OTA from Android 8.0 with Samsung Exp. to Android 9 Pie + One UI the pros: battery consumption went at least 3 times(!!!) the cons: S8 started lagging, microfreezing, isntt as smooth and speedy as its used to be, despite:
- very low amount of foreign apps that I installed since buying
- frequent restarts of phone as recommended
- phone has never been rooter or custom rommed
I use a phone as a main work tool, replaced a lap top a long time ago.
The note has one advantage, in meetings you are writing on your phone and no one bats an eye lid, use an S9 and use your finger to tap on it you are stared at horribly, like you are the devil
As for this deliberate slowing down of phones, well it's massively exaggerated imo and it's obvious older phones with less memory and slower CPUs will struggle with large updates. This is now a myth imo, relevant at some point but you are still using an Iphone3 are you? You move on and with 8gb memory and fast CPU it will still be going strong before you can say S15 yes please
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Davey Dual Sim said:
I use a phone as a main work tool, replaced a lap top a long time ago.
The not has one advantage, in meetings you are writing on your phone and no one bats an eye lid, use an S9 and use your finger to tap on it you are stared at horribly, like you are the devil
As for this deliberate slowing down of phones, well it's massively exaggerated imo and it's obvious older phones with less memory and slower CPUs will struggle with large updates. This is now a myth imo, relevant at some point but you are still using an Iphone3 are you? You move on and with 8gb memory and fast CPU it will still be going strong before you can say S15 yes please
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+! thanks points! for You!
The info about Note and S9 and eye-stare will be helpful.
How about when I use a S9 with a stylus pen instead of a finger?
As for deliberate slowing down pf phones..... I like Your attitude although I don't agree with your point of view cause when You really look at the bigger picture not only from Samsung's stand point but other brands, Google as Android manufactuer, the early 1900's story of bulbs, modern cars, everything and you return later form this wide picture to Samsung''s perspective with all that's been happening everywhere a person that is well oriented in mobile stuff and can even do some tests by himself can CLEARly see that phones are deliberately being slown down. Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge for instance could handle Android Pie with ease as well much more next ones if it weren't for that sad practice - of course AS LONG AS there would be no new hardware required new software feature(s) without which the Android future release would loose it's main event special funcionality.
However. I would like to hear what You and other have to say about it, cause I can see that people here make very interesting points and not often a major myth is being discovered thanks to our conversations.
Please enjoy and come in everyone
BTW is norma S10 without PLUS even a contender for Note9?
Kind people of XDA hellp me make a decision please. Write what you think
Ohh I forgot to mention this will be a snack for these users that want 2 phones S10+ and Note9, here it is:
due to debut of S10 and finished preorder selling (mainly due to that) and perhaps the Huawei danger of P30/P30 Pro Samsung decided to:
- lower the price of Note 9,
- sell it with payback in some areas and/or other bonuses
- all color versions are acceptable
- the normal model with 128 GB of internal storage is 100% under the obove rules I don't know if the special ones are.
Can You help me pick up a winner in this fight. Every reply is welcome. Every argument is needed! Please respond!
I have both devices. Battery better on the S10+. Screen better. Speed faster. Unlocks quicker and easier for me, lighter, thinner, sound is much louder , camera gas the wife mode, selfie is better. The only thing I am [not] missing is the s pen.
I had the note 9, and just got my s10 plus yesterday. There is absolutely no comparison camera wise. My note 9 was horrendous, and in any sunny out door setting it would blow out the highlights and over expose. The hdr function was **** too. S10 plus is the best phone I've ever used
I have both also but Ive only had the S10 plus for a few days so I cant make a detailed comparison yet.
What I will say is the ultrasonic fingerprint scanner on the S10 needs more development..its terrible.
Hardly ever unlocks the first try and is slow when it does unlock. My Note 9 unlocks the first time every time and is instant.
Im sure sammy will improve the function with software updates but even after a few days the S10 plus is annoying me due to this.
I also miss being able to use face unlock on the S10 due to having to wear surgical gloves at work it is handy at tines, they really should have left the retina scanner on the device.
Unlocking your phone is a basic function and should work flawlessly, its just not there yet on the S10 IMO.
@ekerbuddyeker @sstanton86 @force70
You folks literaly came from thy sky for me with your outstanding answers (You all get +1 T of course).
I am now in a serious peril: S10+ costs the same from the day of pre-order, Note9's price is still significant but it dropped to 90% of it's launch price plus it has a payback promotion making the price drop to the 80% of Note9's premiere price.
I also found a shop with the last new Note8s for 51% launch price of Note9.
I'm so confused now, what would you advice me in this situation?
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@[email protected]@force70
You folks literaly came from thy sky for me with your outstanding answers (You all get +1 T of course).
I am now in a serious peril: S10+ costs the same from the day of pre-order, Note9's price is still significant but it dropped to 90% of it's launch price plus it has a payback promotion making the price drop to the 80% of Note9's premiere price.
I also found a shop with the last new Note8s for 51% launch price of Note9.
I'm so confused now, what would you advice me in this situation?
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Id rule out the the note 8, i had an S8 plus but the fingerprint scanner was in an absolutely idiotic place beside the camera, Note 8 isn't much better. Also it does not have stereo speakers.
For me at the moment I prefer my Note 9 still to the S10 plus and if in a few weeks I'm still not liking the S10 plus ill get rid of it.
In favour of the S10 plus is the camera set up, louder speakers and it is more comfortable in hand. Newer hardware as well of course.
I mean you really cannot go wrong with either and Im nitpicking the S10 plus really lol.
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Id rule out the the note 8, i had an S8 plus but the fingerprint scanner was in an absolutely idiotic place beside the camera, Note 8 isn't much better. Also it does not have stereo speakers.
For me at the moment I prefer my Note 9 still to the S10 plus and if in a few weeks I'm still not liking the S10 plus ill get rid of it.
In favour of the S10 plus is the camera set up, louder speakers and it is more comfortable in hand. Newer hardware as well of course.
I mean you really cannot go wrong with either and Im nitpicking the S10 plus really lol.
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"nitpicking" - maybe you thought of not picking.
The reason I mentioned Note8 is that I just want to expriance that phone for a while and probably sell it after 3 months or who knows, everyone claims that I could get addicted to Note and never buy anything else....
I will test a bunch of flagships from many brands like Huawei, Samsung, LG, Xiaomi, OnePlus, Oppo and then decide which is the one for me. I bet it could be a Note vs. S10+ vs. a ..... Xiaomi (!!!!)
androidbadboy said:
Ohh I forgot to mention this will be a snack for these users that want 2 phones S10+ and Note9, here it is:
due to debut of S10 and finished preorder selling (mainly due to that) and perhaps the Huawei danger of P30/P30 Pro Samsung decided to:
- lower the price of Note 9,
- sell it with payback in some areas and/or other bonuses
- all color versions are acceptable
- the normal model with 128 GB of internal storage is 100% under the obove rules I don't know if the special ones are.
Can You help me pick up a winner in this fight. Every reply is welcome. Every argument is needed! Please respond!
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Well man the Note 9 is now 7 months old and it is about £300 cheaper than the S10+
I don't think any 2018 Exynos device is good for that price, the SoC was just badly made, they tried to fix it with Pie but there's not much left to be done.
If we rule out the Note 9 for it being an older device and overall a worse deal, the S10+ wins for:
Thinner
Better cameras
Better power management
Better thermals
Subjectively better design
Superior panel and HDR+
SoC that isn't bad at all, and has plenty of software improvement room
More RAM on base models
Will soon get dedicated night mode and 25W charging if you care about that
Could be one of the last flagships with a headphone jack
AI implementation to adapt the phone to your usage
Gorilla Glass 6
Safer fingerprint authentication that can't be physically hacked with glue
You can get it for £800 as a student
I was very tempted to buy the Note 9 when it came out, right now it feels like a stupid choice, I'd feel bad for owning it knowing I gave up on all those improvements from the next generation.
Mobile phones can be seen as a remote extension of our nervous system due to all the things they allow us to do better and faster, I would never cheap out on such day to day element, the Note 9 isn't bad but it feels wrong to me.
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Well man the Note 9 is now 7 months old and it is about £300 cheaper than the S10+
I don't think any 2018 Exynos device is good for that price, the SoC was just badly made, they tried to fix it with Pie but there's not much left to be done.
If we rule out the Note 9 for it being an older device and overall a worse deal, the S10+ wins for:
Thinner
Better cameras
Better power management
Better thermals
Subjectively better design
Superior panel and HDR+
SoC that isn't bad at all, and has plenty of software improvement room
More RAM on base models
Will soon get dedicated night mode and 25W charging if you care about that
Could be one of the last flagships with a headphone jack
AI implementation to adapt the phone to your usage
Gorilla Glass 6
Safer fingerprint authentication that can't be physically hacked with glue
You can get it for £800 as a student
I was very tempted to buy the Note 9 when it came out, right now it feels like a stupid choice, I'd feel bad for owning it knowing I gave up on all those improvements from the next generation.
Mobile phones can be seen as a remote extension of our nervous system due to all the things they allow us to do better and faster, I would never cheap out on such day to day element, the Note 9 isn't bad but it feels wrong to me.
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+ 1 Thanks!
1. It's amazing how we agree on the importance of a smartphone. I always tell the people who don't want to "waste" their money for a flagship that the phone is like a third hand, you need to have it as good as possible.
2. I feel being now really drawn more and more after each reply in this S10+ Forum.
3. So You think that Note9 has a bad Exynos?
4. How about Note8 that I could have for 51% of the launch prize of Note9?
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+ 1 Thanks!
1. It's amazing how we agree on the importance of a smartphone. I always tell the people who don't want to "waste" their money for a flagship that the phone is like a third hand, you need to have it as good as possible.
2. I feel being now really drawn more and more after each reply in this S10+ Forum.
3. So You think that Note9 has a bad Exynos?
4. How about Note8 that I could have for 51% of the launch prize of Note9?
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That Exynos is quite bad, yeah.
The Note 8 on the other hand is not just slower than that Exynos, sure it's cheaper but they easily get burn-in, I saw many S8 and Note 8 screens having burned notification and nav bars, sometimes the whole facebook interface was there :laugh: it's also reaching end of life regarding major software updates, Pie is its last stop.
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That Exynos is quite bad, yeah.
The Note 8 on the other hand is not just slower than that Exynos, sure it's cheaper but they easily get burn-in, I saw many S8 and Note 8 screens having burned notification and nav bars, sometimes the whole facebook interface was there :laugh: it's also reaching end of life regarding major software updates, Pie is its last stop.
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1. Since Note's are business phones I think Samsung will give them longer time for security patches and probably +1 more Android update in compare with the Galaxy S series.
2. Note's are for businessman and You might think that they will change it every September for a new one cause they can simply afford it but I strangely enough they somehow get used to one and stay on him. I witnessed a guy that came down to the mall's electronic shop with the best Samsung device ever (Note 4) and with sad face told the sellers that he thinks it's time to change his Note4 for a newer Note because ........ damn I can't remember that cause I was so shocked.
3. Business man don't really care about having the best or latest phone. The don't have the teens or women's addiction to shopping and having everything new.
4. Businessman have a lot more on their heads than worry about a phone and I think that Samsung realizes it and that's why a Note would win in terms of longevity with a Galaxy S.
5. I am the kind of man that will not get screen burned out - too long story. Just believe me that this argument is not for me.
6.. Now it's up to which Note shall I buy. Cause S10+ will be bought eventually during 12to24 months.
7. Note8 is so cheap that I could make my dreams come true and test every brand like I mentioned a couple of posts before.
8. Please don't give up and try to fight for Note9 or Note8 or against them., cause if I don't buy any of them I could quicker roll over the competition phones by saving the money that I have for Note8/Note9.