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Battery issue - new question

I know battery issues have been discussed over and over in this forum, but I have a question that I couldn't find the answer to in this forum.
I have an unlocked rogers x10 that's updated to R2BA020 that I'm using on Fido network, the phone is always roaming because I'm on Fido.
I'm thinking this is why my battery life sucks. I tried everything, task killers, juice defender, dim screen, full discharge.
Does the phone use more juice if it's roaming?

Yes, but it doesn't make a very large difference. If you're worried about constantly roaming, take a look at android, which let's you turn off Amsterdam on 3G.
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naz78 said:
I know battery issues have been discussed over and over in this forum, but I have a question that I couldn't find the answer to in this forum.
I have an unlocked rogers x10 that's updated to R2BA020 that I'm using on Fido network, the phone is always roaming because I'm on Fido.
I'm thinking this is why my battery life sucks. I tried everything, task killers, juice defender, dim screen, full discharge.
Does the phone use more juice if it's roaming?
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Have you tried spare parts or something similar to check your battery usage? It lets you see what component is using the most battery. Even the Battery Usage option under Settings->About Phone should tell you where your juice is draining.

j4mm3r said:
Have you tried spare parts or something similar to check your battery usage? It lets you see what component is using the most battery. Even the Battery Usage option under Settings->About Phone should tell you where your juice is draining.
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If he doesn't want to download spare parts, he could just dial *#*#4636#*#* (did I get that right?) in his dialer to get to the same menus.
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Greetings,
Yeah will be more wise to check whats actually draining your battery so we will facts in front of us and try to find a solution.
As for roaming i think yes draining more battery, please gove us usage of the phone , activity and how much your battery can hold up.
Also please onform us what home you use.
I recomend home++.
Regards
Vatis
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I'm still having battery life issues as well on my Rogers x10a.
I was at 100% as of 12:00pm and it's now at 87% 5:00pm.
According to the battery info I've used:
Voice Calls - 30% (10m 35s)
Cell Standby - 28%
Phone Idle - 22%
Display - 11%
Android System - 4%
ADW.Launcher - 3%
3G on, WIFI off, BT off
No idea what is draining my battery so much

I'm on Fido as well, though I don't see a roaming icon anywhere.
Are you sure you're roaming?

glitchexe said:
I'm still having battery life issues as well on my Rogers x10a.
I was at 100% as of 12:00pm and it's now at 87% 5:00pm.
According to the battery info I've used:
Voice Calls - 30% (10m 35s)
Cell Standby - 28%
Phone Idle - 22%
Display - 11%
Android System - 4%
ADW.Launcher - 3%
3G on, WIFI off, BT off
No idea what is draining my battery so much
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2.6%/hr with actual use (not sleeping overnight) is not bad at all. a 4inch screen, 3g connected all the time smartphone will not get great battery life if you actually use it. many people talk about how they get a couple of days or more on a single charge but there is no possible way for this to happen unless you are barely touching your phone. the best i can hope for is a full days use as i use my phone all day and evening.
sometimes an app sits in the background and uses lots of juice, so if you want to make sure that is not happening you might want to do a hard reset and not install any apps for a day and see how battery life it. you can add back apps slowly so that you will be able to tell if one is causing your phone to use too much juice.
the other things you can try is not to use widgets that auto update all the time or try locking your phone to 2g for the day, turning screen brightness down to the lowest level when possible. stuff like that will help. since i updated to the r2 generic rom my battery life has been good enough. i could always use more, but i use my phone too much to expect more.

Thanks I use my phone a lot as well but hearing all these awesome battery life stories had me expecting more. Guess I'll live with what I have.
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glitchexe said:
Thanks I use my phone a lot as well but hearing all these awesome battery life stories had me expecting more. Guess I'll live with what I have.
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It drives me nuts too but the reality is that we all use our phones differently so while some people are happy getting two days of use by barely using their phone I just can't do that. I rely on my phone for too many different things, so if I can get through one day I am fine. It was a shock for me initially as I was using a blackberry 9700 and it had a very small screen and long battery life

vatis24 said:
Greetings,
Yeah will be more wise to check whats actually draining your battery so we will facts in front of us and try to find a solution.
As for roaming i think yes draining more battery, please gove us usage of the phone , activity and how much your battery can hold up.
Also please onform us what home you use.
I recomend home++.
Regards
Vatis
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I took my phone off charge 6 hours ago and I have 79% left as I type.
I did a 5 minute phone call, 10 minutes browsing, 2 minute YouTube video and I turned on WiFi for 30 minutes and Bluetooth for 45 minutes.
I checked the settings and it says:
Display 48%
Standby 18
Phone Idle 13%
Voice call 13%

I've been switching options on and off for the last few weeks that I have x10 and the conclusion is => turn of APN when you don't use it and the battery last for 3 days. Only problem I can think of is mail push but you can always check mail every 30min. There is this "APN on/off" widget that makes switching APN on and off pretty easy so there shouldn't be too much problems.

Doesnt make a difference here.. wifi and 3g cane my battery!!
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naz78 said:
I took my phone off charge 6 hours ago and I have 79% left as I type.
I did a 5 minute phone call, 10 minutes browsing, 2 minute YouTube video and I turned on WiFi for 30 minutes and Bluetooth for 45 minutes.
I checked the settings and it says:
Display 48%
Standby 18
Phone Idle 13%
Voice call 13%
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Update:
I removed JuiceDefender, and I installed advanced task killer, and APN on/off widget and the battery life is much better now. I turn data off when I'm not using the phone and I kill tasks about 3-4 times a day. The screen is dimmed to 15%.
As per Android system info:
Up time: 1 days, 3 hours, 1 minutes, 59 seconds
Up time (without sleep): 0 days, 4 hours, 23 minutes, 8 seconds
17 % battery life left
I checked the settings and it says:
Display 40% (time on 2h 33m 58s)
Standby 29%
Phone Idle 22%
Wifi 4%
Android System 3%
Broswer 2%
Quick question for advanced users, I noticed that Android sys info says up time without sleep is just over 4 huors while the phone settings says 2h 33m, any idea which one is more accurate? I'm assuming up time without sleep = time screen is on.

Switch off GPS. I read about it and how it improved batteries. Bloody true. Its great advice.

naz78 said:
Quick question for advanced users, I noticed that Android sys info says up time without sleep is just over 4 huors while the phone settings says 2h 33m, any idea which one is more accurate? I'm assuming up time without sleep = time screen is on.
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Time without sleep = time screen is on
IF nothing isn't keeping the phone awake.
The phone setting says 2h 33m because it counts the time that the phone was asleep AND the screen was off.
The real percentage is the one Android sys info gives you.
It is rather normal for the phone to have slightly more awake time that screen on time, as some applications work even when the screen is off (push Gmail, the clock, some widget etc...).
As long as your wake time is not 100%, you're just fine.

My_Immortal said:
Time without sleep = time screen is on
IF nothing isn't keeping the phone awake.
The phone setting says 2h 33m because it counts the time that the phone was asleep AND the screen was off.
The real percentage is the one Android sys info gives you.
It is rather normal for the phone to have slightly more awake time that screen on time, as some applications work even when the screen is off (push Gmail, the clock, some widget etc...).
As long as your wake time is not 100%, you're just fine.
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Thanks for the info. Good to know that Android sys info is accurate, almost 5 hours of up time is amazing.

SGS2 Awake time

When I look at my battery usage I saw that my S2 is constantly awake, even when I turn the screen off and put the phone away for a couple of hours.
I've turned off Wifi/3G and even background sync, but it stays awake all the time causing the battery to drain a lot faster than I want. Is there a way to stop this?
I hear people talking about theirs dropping only a couple percent per hour when not using the phone but mine at least drains 10% per hour.
Could it be the Social Hub?
Btw, my S2 runs on the latest KE2 firmware.

For me, I've noticed a big decrease in idle-battery draining when I rooted and removed Social Hub and I never even used it. It still stays "awake" as much as it did before on the little lines in the battery usage app, but a lot more juice.
Used to lose 10% per hour like you, now more like 5%.

If it stays awake all the time, something is _wrong_. If I don't use my phone the only awake time I can see in the battery status is every 15 mins (approx) when it goes "awake" a couple of seconds to update all the **** I have updating. It never stays awake all the time.
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And just to give some more info. Mine is still stock on KE2 with all the crap Samsung put in the phone still in place.

SBS_ said:
If it stays awake all the time, something is _wrong_. If I don't use my phone the only awake time I can see in the battery status is every 15 mins (approx) when it goes "awake" a couple of seconds to update all the **** I have updating. It never stays awake all the time.
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And just to give some more info. Mine is still stock on KE2 with all the crap Samsung put in the phone still in place.
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sorry for highjacking your thread, but how do you guys get all this awake battery time info, is there a particular app you guys use.?

marvi0 said:
sorry for highjacking your thread, but how do you guys get all this awake battery time info, is there a particular app you guys use.?
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Tap the graph at the top of the battery page.

LarcusMywood said:
For me, I've noticed a big decrease in idle-battery draining when I rooted and removed Social Hub and I never even used it. It still stays "awake" as much as it did before on the little lines in the battery usage app, but a lot more juice.
Used to lose 10% per hour like you, now more like 5%.
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I think I experienced the same thing this night. I lost about 10% in 7 hours but the graph still showed that my phone was awake all the time.
Again, I turned the Wifi and 3G off. I'm still running the stock KE2 firmware together with all the Samsung apps. I haven't rooted it yet.
Also, Maps and Social Hub seemed to be active a lot when I look at their stay awake times.

bump.
to much awake time here as well.
how can i find out whats causing it?

I'd put money on it being widgets. Remove all the widgets from home screens, restart the phone and see if that fixes it. You can thank me later ;-)
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try watchdog, or adb logcat

I have this problem from time to time, killing wifi sharing stopped it for me. Comes back once a day for no reason I can see. 1 Kill a day keeps the phone last a full day for me.
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Yeah I also see the occasional WTF moment when the phone suddenly decides in the middle of the day to stay awake 100% of the time. Battery then drains about the same 5-10% an hour you see. Not sure what causes it but a reboot usually fixes it, battery drain goes back to 0.5%-2% an hour that it usually sits at.
Sometimes I also see wifi sharing eating a constant ~50% of CPU, at which point battery drains more like 25% an hour, though not sure if it's related. If only I could disable the damn thing without rooting.

I also have this weird problem. My 2g data connection remains on because I receive a lot of emails so Ive enabled push notifications. However the problem is even when the screen is off, the phone stays awake 100% of the time.
I went to sleep after completely charging the phone at around 11pm and when I woke up at around 9 am, the battery was at 30%. That is 70% battery gone for not doing anything at all. Really need a solution for this guys. Or should I just turn off my data connection?

i had this prob with Widgetsoid installed.
Problem gone when i removed it.

Find on XDA BetterBatteryStats app.. Use phone for a while then run app. Check detected wakelocks. Based on that you can hunt which app or widget keep device always on.
Phone works normally if you compare Screen On and Awake graphs. Both graphs should match. Awake periods can be sometimes be out of screen-on intervals, but no too often.
In my case, I found that maps keep my phone awake.. then I figired that weather widget kep tracking my location (and uses maps for this). Also Lattitude uses maps to track location. When I configure weather widget to not track my location (im usually always in a home town) and turn off latitude, lots of awake periods dissaperar.

[Q] Battery drain issue

Hi,
I got my second android phone (LG G2 obviously) this christmas, and I haven't had time to properly use it (I don't have a micro SIM yet). I noticed that my battery is going empty pretty fast, although I heard this phone has a amazing battery. My friend got this phone too and he told he's been on one charge for about 36 hours with constant wi-fi connection, app downloading, playing games etc. so I figured something's off. I charged the device before going to bed and when I woke up (10 hrs later) battery was on 85% (only 2 MINUTES of screen time!!!!) and I had no apps running on the backround, no nothing. So now I'm thinking is there some easy fix for this or should I return it and get a replacement? Also something weird I noticed yesterday was that even though I don't have a SIM card yet, but 16% of the battery was used by the phone application. I did some screenshots of battery usage today and yesterday too if anyone's interested.

There are literally dozens of similar threads... suggest you start searching.

And I literally have gone through 90% of them so I decided to start a new thead. Do you (or someone) think that a factory reset could help? And the next question might sound stupid, but if I do a factory reset then does the warranty remain? Better safe than sorry I guess

I just played 4 minuts of hill climb racing and lost 3% of my battery, this is not normal. Does anyone even have a solution for this? All I see on other threads is questions and questions, but I don't see anyone saying "That worked and my battery life is normal now"

It's normal if screen is bright. Especially if carrier bloat is still there. Post screens, all you have, and what carrier. The phone could have been sick in a search state.

I don't think my phone is tied to any carrier, it was bought from just a regular electronics shop, but frankly I did a facory reset and didn't realize that all my screenshots will be gone too. Do you really think it's normal that 10 hrs of idling causes 15% battery loss? And it has the stock LG apps (safety care, life square, cell broadcast etc.). What do you mean by "The phone could have been sick in a search state."? My screen brightness is on 70%.

It's normal with bloat in it. They all have bloat stock. 70 is high and can eat at the battery pretty good. I mean it could have software glitched and was struck searching for activation behind the scenes. Use Wake Lock Detector and see what is keeping it awake.

This, almost 20% drop was caused by downloading 3 apps (facebook, facebook messenger and twitter), updating ~10 apps (all done via wi-fi) and rearranging my home screen.

Steamer86, are you sure? My friend told me that he has been 36 hrs on one charge without changing any settings and just downloading apps, playing games and testing the phone.

Your idle is great at that point in time. Facebook is a battery killer. That's a lot of activity with 70% brightness all the time. It's 17% and medium higher side usage and an hour+ of screen time. What are you expecting? At this rate with 70% constant screen and Wi-Fi pushing pretty good you would get almost 6 hours OST. That isn't bad bud.

Steamer86 said:
Your idle is great at that point in time. Facebook is a battery killer. That's a lot of activity with 70% brightness all the time. It's 17% and medium higher side usage and an hour+ of screen time. What are you expecting? At this rate with 70% constant screen and Wi-Fi pushing pretty good you would get almost 6 hours OST. That isn't bad bud.
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I hope you are right, but for helping and giving advice I'm going to hit that 'thanks' button

This night i lost 18% of my battery and my phone was almost all the time on deep sleep.

But i did notice something weird, battery usage shows that Android OS is using up most of my battery and when I press on it and then hit the back button then the Android OS changes to something called surfaceflinger for a millisecond (check the screenshots)

xyrrrrr said:
This night i lost 18% of my battery and my phone was almost all the time on deep sleep.
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Can you try putting your phone in airplane mode and then turn on Wi-Fi? If you aren't using a cell carrier than there's no need to keep that on.
See how this works in increasing battery life for you.
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SM-N9005 4.4.2 Battery Issue

hoping to get some help...
i have update my SM-N9005 from 4.3 to 4.4.2 through Odin. rooted. with CWM Recovery.
tried probably 3 custom ROM that support 4.4.2 and end up on the Official leaked.Build 4.4.2 ( rooted)
the battery performance is driving me crazy.
on 4.3 stand By mode i used to loose 0.8 per hour now with the same setting same features turned on. i loose 2.3 percent per hour.
on 4.3 screen time with the lowest Brightness i lost 1 percent every 10 minutes. now i loose 3% with same brightness level. 3 percent every 10 minutes.
Android OS and Android System are always on top of screen in the battery Graph. i
media is also on top of the screen in the battery graph.
have tried a lot of solutions and factory reset with no luck at all. ( i have placed the device with Airplane mode with no SUCCESS )
installed a lot of battery analyzer apps did not have a clue who's eating all the Juice.....
any idea how to fix this??

SAMERKAD said:
hoping to get some help...
i have update my SM-N9005 from 4.3 to 4.4.2 through Odin. rooted. with CWM Recovery.
tried probably 3 custom ROM that support 4.4.2 and end up on the Official leaked.Build 4.4.2 ( rooted)
the battery performance is driving me crazy.
on 4.3 stand By mode i used to loose 0.8 per hour now with the same setting same features turned on. i loose 2.3 percent per hour.
on 4.3 screen time with the lowest Brightness i lost 1 percent every 10 minutes. now i loose 3% with same brightness level. 3 percent every 10 minutes.
Android OS and Android System are always on top of screen in the battery Graph. i
media is also on top of the screen in the battery graph.
have tried a lot of solutions and factory reset with no luck at all. ( i have placed the device with Airplane mode with no SUCCESS )
installed a lot of battery analyzer apps did not have a clue who's eating all the Juice.....
any idea how to fix this??
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No wakelocks in BBS?

Install Better Battery Stats. Leave the screen off for 1 hour and tell us what the top Kernel Wakelocks are.

aydc said:
Install Better Battery Stats. Leave the screen off for 1 hour and tell us what the top Kernel Wakelocks are.
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great, ill update...

I have the same problem, android system is always on top but i can achieve 6 hours of screen.. i will post my wakelocks

Guys,
really it was so big problem to check page 2 and woila :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2609260
Check the problems there, post yours, wait for answer, Samsung is probably monitoring this thread... And
this is not QA section...

is this screen shot Enough??

Or this
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SAMERKAD said:
is this screen shot Enough??
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Partial Wakelocks are usually caused by apps running in the foreground. There's usually not much you can do about that. If you are actually using the phone, battery will run out. What you need to find out is what happens when you are not using the phone.
Do this:
1) Charge the phone to 100%. Disconnect the cable.
2) Let the phone sit idle for 1-2 hours with screen off.
3) Get Kernel Wakelocks from Better Battery Stats.
Then you'll know what's eating your battery when you are not actually using the phone.
In my case, I get ril-fd, l2-hsic and wlan_rx_wake wakelocks the most. I know the causes, but I can't do anything about them without rooting.

aydc said:
Partial Wakelocks are usually caused by apps running in the foreground. There's usually not much you can do about that. If you are actually using the phone, battery will run out. What you need to find out is what happens when you are not using the phone.
Do this:
1) Charge the phone to 100%. Disconnect the cable.
2) Let the phone sit idle for 1-2 hours with screen off.
3) Get Kernel Wakelocks from Better Battery Stats.
Then you'll know what's eating your battery when you are not actually using the phone.
In my case, I get ril-fd, l2-hsic and wlan_rx_wake wakelocks the most. I know the causes, but I can't do anything about them without rooting.
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thanksssssss
ill check that for sure... but just to know, can i disable any of these (ril-fd, l2-hsic and wlan_rx) incase they were the problem?
im rooted on Leaked 4.4.2

im losing only 1 to 2 % in idle, way better then JB, but interactive use sucks the soul out of it. rarely pass 30 hours of use.

Im not getting anything
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I've noticed the first 10 percent (from 100 to 90) go away fast as hell. Use your phone as you would today, just make sure you have enough juice by the end of the day. Leave it as it is overnight and then post your screenshots.. You don't seem to have any wakelocks so your battery shouldn't be draining.. Mine is going like 1% for 8 hours or something, the problem starts when I turn me screen on lol!

I had this problem on my all my Samsung device
the only solution was to take out the battery for a few seconds
worked for me on
note 2 and 3
s4 9505 and 9500

testmonkey1 said:
I've noticed the first 10 percent (from 100 to 90) go away fast as hell. Use your phone as you would today, just make sure you have enough juice by the end of the day. Leave it as it is overnight and then post your screenshots.. You don't seem to have any wakelocks so your battery shouldn't be draining.. Mine is going like 1% for 8 hours or something, the problem starts when I turn me screen on lol!
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i am loosing more than1.5% per hour where on stand by mode... everything is switched of.f im surprised there is no wakelocks showing... ill wait till the end of the day.
its been 4 hour since last charge and now im on 93%..
im assuming the drain is happening due to the bad reception where i am at.
how do you manage 1% per 8 hours that's Awesome (knock on wood) :laugh: .. is this with WIFI and Data on?

i don't understand ... how come i have no wakelock after screen off.. and my battery draining 1.5 % per hour on stand by mode.... and android Os always on top ?

BBM.
And I haven't done anything special, actually you have to do something to NOT get great battery life while idle. After a factory reset, nothing disabled (so G+, G search and all those wake cycles still present) with WiFi off and Mobile Data ON I lost the usual 1 to 2% per 8 hour sleep. The problem starts for me when I turn on my screen, not when it's turned off

aydc said:
Partial Wakelocks are usually caused by apps running in the foreground. There's usually not much you can do about that. If you are actually using the phone, battery will run out. What you need to find out is what happens when you are not using the phone.
Do this:
1) Charge the phone to 100%. Disconnect the cable.
2) Let the phone sit idle for 1-2 hours with screen off.
3) Get Kernel Wakelocks from Better Battery Stats.
Then you'll know what's eating your battery when you are not actually using the phone.
In my case, I get ril-fd, l2-hsic and wlan_rx_wake wakelocks the most. I know the causes, but I can't do anything about them without rooting.
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What are the causes for wlan rx wake? 12hsic is related to mobile data i guess.

sohebq said:
What are the causes for wlan rx wake? 12hsic is related to mobile data i guess.
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It's caused by broadcast packets sent by other devices in your network waking the phone up. The solution is to install a custom kernel that filters such packets.

Almost 100% Awake time draining my battery

My battery life had previously been fine. We had that last security update from AT&T and suddenly, my device is awake almost 100% of the time. Android OS is always at the top of my stats and awake time shows at 99%. I used the light version of Wakelock Detector (which doesn't require root) and it's not really showing anything, but I deleted all apps showing the most wakelocks anyway and I'm still at 99% wake time. I even took out my SD card to test that and it hasn't changed anything. I also disabled GPS to test and "awake time" still stayed at max.
I'm on the verge of wiping it, but I have already done that once to resolve other issues and I know there has to be a cause to all of this. Is anyone else experiencing this since the last update? Anything I haven't tried that someone recommends? I have not installed any new apps or anything.
One thing to note is that my drain is only around 1%/hr at idle, but I'm pretty sure the phone still shouldn't be awake almost 100% of the time.

1%/hr drain while idle means 4 days of standby i think you're fine
greyhulk said:
One thing to note is that my drain is only around 1%/hr at idle, but I'm pretty sure the phone still shouldn't be awake almost 100% of the time.
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percussionking said:
1%/hr drain while idle means 4 days of standby i think you're fine
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That doesn't change the fact that the phone is awake over 99% of the time. After a wipe, it's no longer going that and my idle drain is less. So, something was clearly wrong.
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Yeah, you're right if the behavior is different after resetting the phone. I was wondering if maybe Wakelock Detector might see certain features of the QC820 like AOD as applying a wakelock.