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5 gig limit and tethering, i work for tmobile

ok, so i work for tmobile and i spoke to the tmobile vice president yesterday when he came in for a visit, and yes its true, the 5 gig limit to data service will be applied, once you go over 5 gig you will be throttled down to edge connection until your following month and also tethering will now be available as a feature which will cost 15 dollars a month, this will all go official real soon, so everyone who has been tethering on the side, sorry

What do you mean by that last line?

Bbe1367 said:
also tethering will now be available as a feature which will cost 15 dollars a month, this will all go official real soon, so everyone who has been tethering on the side, sorry
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This is worse news for me by far. I tether only now-and-then, but I do use it, and I'd hate to have to pay extra for the few times I do...even though, yes, other carriers currently charge.

This sucks! Well they are a business so I understand them charging for tethering but changing the cap to 5gb is pointless since tethering requires 15 bucks a month extra...
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I wonder if this applies to nexus one owners. I have had tethering for months on my nexus one have never neared the data cap. Why would I start paying monthly for a feature that I can get for free on my nexus one or for a 1 time fee from the app market for my G2?

Pretty sure that when I signed up for service, I signed up for unlimited data and when I bought my phone, it advertised HSPA+ speeds. So if my phone can only do HSPA+ speeds for a while and T-Mobile wants to try to act like the internet is a depleteable resource. I will be returning my phone and cancelling all of my family's lines and finding a new carrier.

Wraith272 said:
and T-Mobile wants to try to act like the internet is a depleteable resource.
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Air interface bandwidth is [a limited resource].

Wraith272 said:
Pretty sure that when I signed up for service, I signed up for unlimited data and when I bought my phone, it advertised HSPA+ speeds. So if my phone can only do HSPA+ speeds for a while and T-Mobile wants to try to act like the internet is a depleteable resource. I will be returning my phone and cancelling all of my family's lines and finding a new carrier.
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Any of those carriers you switch to will have an even more expensive tethering fee. Best thing to do at this point is to root. I use my nexus when I want to wifi tether.
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Wraith272 said:
Pretty sure that when I signed up for service, I signed up for unlimited data and when I bought my phone, it advertised HSPA+ speeds. So if my phone can only do HSPA+ speeds for a while and T-Mobile wants to try to act like the internet is a depleteable resource. I will be returning my phone and cancelling all of my family's lines and finding a new carrier.
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It sounds good and all but be sure to compare. Tmobile has a "fair" usage clause. They base what is fair usage on what the average data usage across the network is or something very similar to that. They never charge more for going over the cap, they just slow you down.

I'm guessing that they will make the tethering official and roll out the OTA at the same time.
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The majority of smartphone users likely don't crest 5GB usage. Those who do continue to have unlimited access at a slower speed. If this is unacceptable to them, they are free to terminate their accounts. As a moderate dataplan user, I'm perfectly fine with that, since in an unlimited scheme, moderate users are basically subsidizing the few outlier heavy users.

I was fine with the 5gb reduction too but charging another 15/month on the "unlimited data" plan to tether? 45/month seems excessive. Need some new perspective.

the cap is for web connect data plans, not for the unlimited plans connected to cell phones

jashsu said:
The majority of smartphone users likely don't crest 5GB usage. Those who do continue to have unlimited access at a slower speed. If this is unacceptable to them, they are free to terminate their accounts. As a moderate dataplan user, I'm perfectly fine with that, since in an unlimited scheme, moderate users are basically subsidizing the few outlier heavy users.
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You do realize that once there are no more heavy outliers, you become the heavy outlier. When T-Mobile lowers the cap again to below your data usage, I guarantee you'll be the first to complain.

What? Tethering won't be free? Sad face...
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How are they gonna block stuff like PDAnet from being used? heck Id rather pay for their full version than to pay a monthly fee for 2 years..
Iphone tethering is only 10$.. I dont beleive it til i see it. Im thinking it will be free but just capped at 5gb before they throttle to stop people from abusing it

Bbe1367 said:
ok, so i work for tmobile and i spoke to the tmobile vice president yesterday when he came in for a visit, and yes its true, the 5 gig limit to data service will be applied, once you go over 5 gig you will be throttled down to edge connection until your following month and also tethering will now be available as a feature which will cost 15 dollars a month, this will all go official real soon, so everyone who has been tethering on the side, sorry
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are you saying the 5GB cap will apply to customers on contract (and grandfathered customers free of contract) as well as prepaid customers? - the way that news release is worded, it appears to only apply or refer to prepaid customers.
any clairification appreciated

krayshunist said:
You do realize that once there are no more heavy outliers, you become the heavy outlier. When T-Mobile lowers the cap again to below your data usage, I guarantee you'll be the first to complain.
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There will always be heavy outliers in a chart of users (whether in 1990, 2010 or 2100). The important question is whether the bar is above or below the average. Realistically speaking the bulk of those exceeding 5GB are probably tethering (I don't actually agree that tethering should be separate from the phone access, but that's a different discussion), so with the $15 tethering fee it might move the curve back even further under 5GB.

Well, I just checked my month use on t-mobile's website and looks like i only used 1.7 GB for the whole month. Not bad since most of my heavy downloading is done through my residential internet connection anyways. I don't think that I'll ever reach 5GB..
I'm not worried.

Can they just knock us off from a 10gig soft cap to a 5gig? Isn't there a grandfather clause kinda thing?
Besides, how would they know if i tether using pdanet. My data usage doesn't reflect how its being used.

[Q] How's your data? Not happy w/TMO

So I've had my SGS III on tmobile about two weeks (Bought 6/28) And I've already hit my data cap at 5.2gb with 2gb from Play Music alone.
I just got off the phone with retentions and they told me 2 things:
1. ETF is $200 (so I could theoretically sell the phone here or on ebay for $300-600, or I still have 3 days to return the phone to walmart.)
2. There's nothing they can do for me, aside from charge me full price for the $65/mo 10gb "unlimited" data. I could not get the $10 off for 24 months either. I pay $108/mo after fees for unltd. everything. (Ha ha!)
So, Sprint users, how is your data? I'm seriously considering dumping tmobile this week for sprint, I can't do this throttling BS for two years.
And Tmo users, have *you* hit your cap yet? how quickly?

I've only hit my cap once with my 5 gig data plan since I switched over to T-Mobile from Sprint last year. I had Sprint for 4 years and boy does their data speeds suck. Yeah their data speed may be unlimited but you'll be stuck with dial up connections compared to to T-Mobiles hspa
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Gopena said:
So I've had my SGS III on tmobile about two weeks (Bought 6/28) And I've already hit my data cap at 5.2gb with 2gb from Play Music alone.
I just got off the phone with retentions and they told me 2 things:
1. ETF is $200 (so I could theoretically sell the phone here or on ebay for $300-600, or I still have 3 days to return the phone to walmart.)
2. There's nothing they can do for me, aside from charge me full price for the $65/mo 10gb "unlimited" data. I could not get the $10 off for 24 months either. I pay $108/mo after fees for unltd. everything. (Ha ha!)
So, Sprint users, how is your data? I'm seriously considering dumping tmobile this week for sprint, I can't do this throttling BS for two years.
And Tmo users, have *you* hit your cap yet? how quickly?
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I haven't hit my cap yet but I don't stream much, I have used 2 gb in almost 2 weeks that's for sure, also new YouTube app held since it downloads the videos in wifi, sprint if is good where you live is great but if is not you will definitely prefer to pay more for tmobile, I used to have sprint but loading YouTube videos sucks now, compare to two years ago, if you are in one of the cities that is getting sprint soon I would definitely recommend it to
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So please explain to us all how it's T-Mobiles fault? You obviously know what your usage habits are. You should know if 5GB a month won't be enough for you. I download apps, play online games, watch YouTube, surf the net, etc.. 2GB a month works well for me. So obviously if you use that much data it's on you and not on them. Upgrade to the highest plan and quit complaining.
No one's fault but your own, sorry.

Chicago281 said:
So please explain to us all how it's T-Mobiles fault? You obviously know what your usage habits are. You should know if 5GB a month won't be enough for you. I download apps, play online games, watch YouTube, surf the net, etc.. 2GB a month works well for me. So obviously if you use that much data it's on you and not on them. Upgrade to the highest plan and quit complaining.
No one's fault but your own, sorry.
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+1 This
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Seriously, it's like you think you're entitled to unlimited. You chose T-Mobile over anyone else, and chose their 5GB plan. Why are you so surprised that you'd have to pay more for more unthrottled data?

Cool story bro!
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How can you even use 2 gigs from Play Music in two weeks?!? Are you using it 24/7?

Hahaha!!!!!!!! Go to verizon lol they will sell you all the high speed you need. I just switched from Verizon to tmobile. Verizon charges $60/ month for 1gb and tmobile charges $25/month for 5gb.
I couldn't be happier. If you need to stream that much use fm radio or wifi or.. Pay more money.
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OP,
Why aren't you using wifi for large items?
I averaged 2GB data & 5GB wifi /mo on TMO....and that 2GB was surfing whenever I wanted and streaming pandora/google music for hours everyday..

Okay, then switch to sprint.. there's nothing we can do here..
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I'd say switch to sprint and hop on their unlimited. Lots of people complain about slow speeds (which compared to other carriers they are) but I 've never had a problem streaming Netflix and other videos while tethering and hopefully their quick with the lte rollout. I've been with sprint 11yrs and never had a problem

You may want to consider a bigger microsd card if you are streaming so much data. As far as speeds go, it all depends on market. Ask around at work and see if anyone has sprint, if they do, see if they will do a speed test for you. I know for a fact that in my area, sprint has the worst 3g out of any of the big 4. When i had them i averaged less than 100kb down. I've also seen people hit 1.5 mbps in other areas on a regular basis. YMMV.

dcmtnbkr said:
You may want to consider a bigger microsd card if you are streaming so much data. As far as speeds go, it all depends on market. Ask around at work and see if anyone has sprint, if they do, see if they will do a speed test for you. I know for a fact that in my area, sprint has the worst 3g out of any of the big 4. When i had them i averaged less than 100kb down. I've also seen people hit 1.5 mbps in other areas on a regular basis. YMMV.
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Yeah, after I realized that I'd lose the "4G" with the one on t-mobile waiting for sprint to roll out LTE in orlando, I think the best way to do this is trim down my music library and keep it on an SD, and just use play music to push new songs
I'm just frustrated that t-mobile calls it unlimited at all. It's a lie in itself because the service is limited in one way or another, it's not fair to still call it unlimited just because it's not limited in the way it usually is. :laugh:

sprint................suckkkksssssss! Had the service for 4 days and it was painful with roaming, pathetic speeds. Tmobile is insane in my area with their 3g+ I get consistent 15mbs down and 3mbs up. learn to find wifi and use it. wifi is our friend.

Gopena said:
I'm just frustrated that t-mobile calls it unlimited at all. It's a lie in itself because the service is limited in one way or another, it's not fair to still call it unlimited just because it's not limited in the way it usually is. :laugh:
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But they don't call it unlimited 4G access anywhere I've seen. They call it, quite clearly, unlimited data with xGB of high speed data. And they deliver exactly on that promise.

Chicago281 said:
So please explain to us all how it's T-Mobiles fault? You obviously know what your usage habits are. You should know if 5GB a month won't be enough for you. I download apps, play online games, watch YouTube, surf the net, etc.. 2GB a month works well for me. So obviously if you use that much data it's on you and not on them. Upgrade to the highest plan and quit complaining.
No one's fault but your own, sorry.
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++++1 On this. I consider myself an average to moderate user when it comes to data. I use the WIFI only at my house, and I have a 5 GB data plan. I have yet to pass 2GB of usage since switching from Sprint 3 months ago. On another note, I average 17MB down and 3MB up in my area, which is faster than my own internet service provider, and on Sprint I would average around 700KB down and 300KB up. Good luck switching to Sprint.

Gopena said:
Yeah, after I realized that I'd lose the "4G" with the one on t-mobile waiting for sprint to roll out LTE in orlando, I think the best way to do this is trim down my music library and keep it on an SD, and just use play music to push new songs
I'm just frustrated that t-mobile calls it unlimited at all. It's a lie in itself because the service is limited in one way or another, it's not fair to still call it unlimited just because it's not limited in the way it usually is. :laugh:
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Your frustrated...uh huh..sorry but I'm frustrated reading this post...They call it unlimited 2 gb, 5 gb.. there's a reason for the number after the unlimited, also read the fine print it says they throttle your speeds... In the future you should really try to read the fine print and ask questions like why is the unlimited 2gb cheaper then the unlimited 5 gb... Make sure YOU don't make the same mistake again in when you actually buy something important with financing like a car or house...

Op I say check in your area and see if sprint has good coverage and good network speed in your area before making any moves. I live in Miami and still have my e4gt since I rely on wimax and it isn't a big upgrade difference with the s3, here's some speed test I took a few days ago using wimax
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I rather get an average of 9-11mbps and highs 13-14mbps on a good day and have unlimited then to have 20-60mbps and have a data cap but that's just me lol, the speeds I get now is good enough to browse, play hd YouTube videos with no problem, and tether with good speeds too.
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[Q] I Need a Cellular Provider

I'm thinking of getting a Nexus 4 in the very near future, and I'm interested in seeing what might be the best provider for my needs.
My main interest is data. Having unlimited of it would be perfect (actually unlimited, not like 2GB and then shut-off notice or something like that).
I am also interested in tethering. Currently, I would only be interested in using my Nexus 10, and nothing else, but perhaps later on down the road I might get a laptop as well. Just want a plan that doesn't charge an additional fee for tethering (or at the least, a one-time fee; nothing recurring), and allows for tethering even. I don't plan to use huge amounts of data while tethering either, just maybe check some emails, G+, play some multiplayer games (GW2, PoE, etc.), and chat to friends over XMPP and Steam. No "major" downloading or anything like that (or very little of it; maybe the occasional 100MB game might need updating on my tablet like Shadowgun).
Voice minutes isn't too dire for me. Don't plan on talking too much, and if the minutes aren't unlimited, I'd just hope texting is, or I can fallback to Google Voice even.
I've checked out StraightTalk, Simple Mobile, and T-Mobile prepaid. From what I hear, the first two aren't too keen on tethering, and have some invisible data limit that if hit, they can cancel your service (but perhaps I've heard wrong, or maybe this was in the past). There was another plan I checked out (Solavi or something) but their privacy policy on shared info didn't seem too good, and I hear they too don't like tethering and have an invisible data limit.
I'm somewhat interested in T-Mobile's $30 prepaid plan. Unlimited data is pretty nice (the 4G is also nice, but my area is only 2G only according to their map). Not entirely sure on T-Mo's stance on tethering. I don't really see myself using more than 100 voice minutes a month, but if I understand right, it's like $0.33 per minute after that, or I can buy minutes with a T-Mo prepaid card. I currently have an old full-sized T-Mo prepaid SIM card lying around. Hoping I can just make this micro, pop it in, and then sign-up for the $30/month prepaid thing on T-Mo's site without problem.
But simply put, I need a plan with unlimited data, calling/text (doesn't have to be unlimited, but I need them nonetheless) and no strict-stance on tethering. Being under $50/month would be awesome I'm also in the United States, and don't plan on doing anything international, in the near future anyway. Should I go with T-Mobile's $30/month prepaid plan, or is there another provider I should look at instead?

espionage724 said:
I'm thinking of getting a Nexus 4 in the very near future, and I'm interested in seeing what might be the best provider for my needs.
My main interest is data. Having unlimited of it would be perfect (actually unlimited, not like 2GB and then shut-off notice or something like that).
I am also interested in tethering. Currently, I would only be interested in using my Nexus 10, and nothing else, but perhaps later on down the road I might get a laptop as well. Just want a plan that doesn't charge an additional fee for tethering (or at the least, a one-time fee; nothing recurring), and allows for tethering even. I don't plan to use huge amounts of data while tethering either, just maybe check some emails, G+, play some multiplayer games (GW2, PoE, etc.), and chat to friends over XMPP and Steam. No "major" downloading or anything like that (or very little of it; maybe the occasional 100MB game might need updating on my tablet like Shadowgun).
Voice minutes isn't too dire for me. Don't plan on talking too much, and if the minutes aren't unlimited, I'd just hope texting is, or I can fallback to Google Voice even.
I've checked out StraightTalk, Simple Mobile, and T-Mobile prepaid. From what I hear, the first two aren't too keen on tethering, and have some invisible data limit that if hit, they can cancel your service (but perhaps I've heard wrong, or maybe this was in the past). There was another plan I checked out (Solavi or something) but their privacy policy on shared info didn't seem too good, and I hear they too don't like tethering and have an invisible data limit.
I'm somewhat interested in T-Mobile's $30 prepaid plan. Unlimited data is pretty nice (the 4G is also nice, but my area is only 2G only according to their map). Not entirely sure on T-Mo's stance on tethering. I don't really see myself using more than 100 voice minutes a month, but if I understand right, it's like $0.33 per minute after that, or I can buy minutes with a T-Mo prepaid card. I currently have an old full-sized T-Mo prepaid SIM card lying around. Hoping I can just make this micro, pop it in, and then sign-up for the $30/month prepaid thing on T-Mo's site without problem.
But simply put, I need a plan with unlimited data, calling/text (doesn't have to be unlimited, but I need them nonetheless) and no strict-stance on tethering. Being under $50/month would be awesome I'm also in the United States, and don't plan on doing anything international, in the near future anyway. Should I go with T-Mobile's $30/month prepaid plan, or is there another provider I should look at instead?
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Here in Canada, I'm paying $30/mo. for service which includes unlimited local, canada-wide text and "unlimited" data. They say unlimited, but my speed is severely capped at 5GB (to about 10 kb/s, unusable). Well I don't know too much about US Providers, with the $30 I'm paying it sounds similar to T-Mobile's plan, BUT something I didn't know when I got my service was how limited the coverage would be. Even in Toronto there are spots where data is dropped because of poor reception, and I guess this is why the service is so "cheap" relative to other providers in canada. So I guess what's I'm saying is t-mobile's $30 data might not be as good and reliable as other carriers (maybe). It would be nice to hear from someone who actually has tried this plan though.

I'm using a straight talk att sim that was cut down. I've heard they have a 2 gig limit but I have never hit it. Their service is $50.05 after tax. I don't think you will find your service for less than $50 but curious if you do. I was on t mobile but once new buildings started being put up at my work it was unusable. Att in my area has broad coverage just a clogged network. IMO having unlimited 2g tmobile seems like a waste. If you are on wifi and don't live on YouTube you should be fine.
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Unlimited data, keep it no matter what?

The subject kinda says it all. I'm one of the lucky ones that got grandfathered in on big red's unlimited data plan.
My wife has been on at&t and she's tired of it. Her phone (Atrix 4G) is falling apart and she isn't thrilled with the phone offerings from at&t.
She loves the Razr M so I've been looking to get her added to my account. It would also save us about $30 per month for her not to be on at&t separately.
A few months ago it was still possible to add an individual line to an existing account, without affecting the primary account.
Now they force me to convert my primary line over to a share-all-your-money plan, which will mean I lose my unlimited data.
The thing is, I use, on average, about 2.5G of data. I'm not a heavy user and I know that. My wife isn't either so we could make due with 4GB.
So, I need some thoughts.
1) Keep my unlimited and sign my wife up for her own individual big red plan? (no savings per month, but happy wife)
2) Convert over to a shared data plan, and add line for wife. ($30/mo savings)
So, it comes down to this: is having unlimited data you don't really use worth the $30 in added cost?
One side of my brain says no, the other says yes.

I have been battling that same question. My answer was keep my unlimited data as long as I can. Why? With more and more things going towards the cloud my data usage is sure to go up in the future. So I'm thinking for then and not now. I don't think Verizon is doing this because the masses asked to share data as they would have us believe. Verizon seen data usage dramatically increasing in the future as well and is trying to get us to switch now when our usage is low. Now is when they can convince us we don't use much data.
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I was grand-fathered into unlimited data for a while, but then I started tracking my actual data usage and it was only about 1.5-2.0GB per month so I just switched over. The only time now where I would maybe want it back, is if I was using 4G has my home Internet connection and just using my phone as a mobile hotspot. I don't feel that would be reliable enough so I'm fine with it.
I have a feeling sooner or later Verizon will come up with some way to get those who are still on unlimited data and won't sign a new contract.

I would just get her a verizon pay as you go plan. Decent phones. Give your wife your phone and then make twelve monthly payments on yours?
I am almost certain if you keep calling back eventually you'll get someone to transfer you that can help. You can probably find a rep to finagle 29.99 4GB...
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THe only reason to a share plan is to get subsidized phone.
I have resigned myself to keep unlimited until they kick me off. I'll buy my phone retail if I have to.
If they kick me off I'll switch to Sprint.
Keep unlimited at all costs.
We use a combined 11-13GB on three lines.

I kind of split the difference. I stayed on the old voice plan but was able to get a subsidized phone upgrade by losing my unlimited data. I instead got a 5GB data plan and dropped unlimited texting and switched completely over the Google Voice (which I had been meaning to do). So I pay the same as a 2GB share everything plan but with 400 minutes of voice (not a problem for me) and 5 GB of data... I only ever use up till 3 GB so I have been considering lowering to 3 or 4GB and just paying the $10/GB overage on months that I go over.

So there is some room for negotiations when you talk to the tele sales folks. That's good to know!
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Keep it no matter what. NO MATTER WHAT. Even if you don't use the unlimited, you could sell it to a friend (someone trustworthy) who has a crappy home internet connection, and turn a hefty profit. Just give them the activated SIM card and they can put it in a mobile hotspot and easily beat ADSL speeds for less money and better reliability.
Seriously, you guys are making a huge mistake by giving up one of the last reasonable cellular data plans in North America; nay, the entire world.
Don't do it. Keep your unlimited. Set up a new account for a new phone if you have to. Pay retail on new phones if you have to. Sell your activated SIM to someone you trust who'll use the data for a huge profit. Do anything EXCEPT willingly give in to The Man and the fascist data plan, oops I mean the shared data plan.
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I wish I never got rid of mine. I switched to the 2gb plan when they first offered it to save money because I used about a gig a month. Now I have the 15gb plan.. Damnit
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Howard forums has people wanting to do assumption of liabilities. Now I've never heard of someone selling their unlimited plan but that's only because most people that go the aol route are in contract, need out, and find people that really need unlimited.
I would not be advising someone to use the sim solely for home Internet. Yes it's unlimited but some use hundreds of gigs of data. This isn't good for others. You could also get caught.
The only reason I'm keeping my unlimited plan is because we have 2 smartphones and 3 feature phones. Always transfer upgrades to the feature phones and transfer new phone back. Why waste upgrade when feature phones are super cheap retail?
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jfriend33 said:
I would not be advising someone to use the sim solely for home Internet. Yes it's unlimited but some use hundreds of gigs of data. This isn't good for others. You could also get caught.
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Few things:
1. You can consistently use between 50 and 75 GB per month and not get in trouble. Believe it or not there are people who use more than that and haven't been threatened with disconnection. But yes, if you download at 100% line capacity 24/7 you will get disconnected. Even 50 GB can be downloaded in an extremely short time (about 1 to 2 days depending on your LTE signal), leaving a lot of room for other users on the network.
2. Verizon is contractually prohibited by the FCC, which allows them to operate the licensed 700 MHz spectrum, from discriminating against a user because of that user's choice of device, which means you can either tether a smartphone or use a mobile hotspot, or even a USB modem, and they can't do anything against you based solely on your choice of device or they risk losing their operating license.
3. All of Verizon's towers will throttle your LTE speed down to a lower level (faster than 3G, but way slower than your LTE is capable of) if they identify you as a heavy data user AND the tower is 100% utilized. So they minimize data hogs' impact on other users by slowing them down when the tower is busy. Light or Occasional data users will be able to use the tower at full LTE speeds. When the tower isn't busy, well, why do you care if unlimited users are just using up spare capacity? That doesn't hurt anyone at all, and doesn't cost Verizon a penny, since all their back haul and peering is unmetered, so if they aren't 100% utilizing it they are actually paying for capacity that isn't being used, which is a waste.
I'm lucky that the tower closest to me at home is ALWAYS extremely under-utilized. I get fantastic speeds and no throttling, ever, at home. In the city I have seen close to 3G speeds on the LTE network due to saturation, which I am fine with. I still benefit from LTE's improved reliability and ping compared to 3G, so even if it's not 20 Mbps, I'm happy to have what I'm allowed. Verizon keeps me on a pretty long leash.
And no, I don't make the network worse for everyone else by using 70GB on an underutilized tower. 70GB over a month is not even a drop in a bucket to Verizon's back end infrastructure. I know some FiOS users who run multiple terabytes per month.
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I love my unlimited data and I'm definitely gonna keep it. If i like a new phone that comes out, ill just pay full price for it. I canceled my internet and cable at home because I have access to both thru my phone. I average around 150gigs a month and haven't seen a decrease in speed.
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I seem to have struck a nerve with someone and that was not my intention. You are probably used to having countless people advocating for verizon and following their rules. I am not one of them.
I was not aware that such policies were in place to protect the consumers. This is good to hear. I was under the impression that 4G devices weren't throttled (for the most part), even when on 3g and that only 3g devices were being throttled after heavy use. Verizon has obviously updated their guidelines so I need to read up on it.
I could not limit my home internet consumption to only 50 gigs. What is an average use anyway? I'm generally under 200 gigs. I am in areas where 4G is new and isn't that fast (under 10mbps, 3g tops off at 0.75) or in a big city where it's over utilized. I pay $20 a month for 50 mbps cable internet and that is a luxury many do not have.
Let's face it. We are lucky to have this unlimited plan. There are no guarantees on how much longer it will last. Just keep it, please?
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I switched from Sprint Unlimited to Verizon "share-all-of-your-money" (that's about right) plan. I had a real hard time letting go, but my wife and I have been on for 2 months now and it hasn't been a problem. We went with 4GB, and I initially thought it would be a problem, but we haven't even come close to 2GB yet. I mitigate that a lot by using WiFi as much as possible. Especially when I'm home, but also at work. I've also become a lot less bashful about asking for their WiFi password. What's the worst that could happen? They just say no. Many of them don't care though and don't give it a second thought. I also make the conscious decision to wait until I'm home to watch that YouTube video or what have you everyone one is clamoring about. I also used to tether my laptop to my phone and used that as my primary internet connection. Haven't needed to do that, so data consumption has gotten a lot less.
I haven't found it that difficult to live with a 4GB cap.

tech_head said:
THe only reason to a share plan is to get subsidized phone.
I have resigned myself to keep unlimited until they kick me off. I'll buy my phone retail if I have to.
If they kick me off I'll switch to Sprint.
Keep unlimited at all costs.
We use a combined 11-13GB on three lines.
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And what happens when Sprint cuts off unlimited? I agree with the idea of voting with your wallet but in this case, I feel there needs to be an exception. Given the financial standing of Sprint atm, I can't see why any one would risk jumping to them. Plus if enough people follow suit like you, it is bound to bog down Sprint's network until they start to cap data plans to.

Xplorer4x4 said:
And what happens when Sprint cuts off unlimited? I agree with the idea of voting with your wallet but in this case, I feel there needs to be an exception. Given the financial standing of Sprint atm, I can't see why any one would risk jumping to them. Plus if enough people follow suit like you, it is bound to bog down Sprint's network until they start to cap data plans to.
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They claim "unlimited forever".
What financial standing, they just got bought by SoftBank Mobile (Japanese).
They are building out their network and adding more LTE from their old iDEN spectrum, that and they bought Clearwire.
When Verizon makes me move from unlimited, I'll be jumping to Sprint.

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They claim "unlimited forever".
What financial standing, they just got bought by SoftBank Mobile (Japanese).
They are building out their network and adding more LTE from their old iDEN spectrum, that and they bought Clearwire.
When Verizon makes me move from unlimited, I'll be jumping to Sprint.
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There is an old saying. Talk is cheap. I seriously doubt they will retain unlimited forever. I would ask for a contract and read that thing over and over and over again as I would not be surprised to see some sort of clause in there that they have the right to terminate the unlimited data at any time because they get greedy like ATT and VZW.
Finance wise, you're right. I forgot about the buy outs. They are in a much better position financially and network wise, but they are still in the early roll out stages making it to early to judge just how well the network upgrade will be in the end. I also haven't heard how involved SoftBank has been so far. Have they only put up the money while still letting the former Sprint execs run the company for the most part?

My wife and I both gave up our unlimited data. She gave up hers to upgrade and I just gave mine up to save money. We have 3 smart phones sharing 4GB. I was using more than 10GB every month myself on unlimited. But a little prudence and control and we have no problem. In fact our month is over next week and we haven't even used 2GB between three phones.
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I'd say to just do the math of what saves you more of the course of 2 yrs. If its cheaper in the long run by a significant amount to switch to the new plan and get a subsidized phone, and you can't foresee needing unlimited data, it just makes sense to switch. I personally am planning on keeping my unlimited plan while buying phones at full price due to highly fluctuating data usage.

Xplorer4x4 said:
There is an old saying. Talk is cheap. I seriously doubt they will retain unlimited forever. I would ask for a contract and read that thing over and over and over again as I would not be surprised to see some sort of clause in there that they have the right to terminate the unlimited data at any time because they get greedy like ATT and VZW.
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Oh, they've already added that to the contract, effective July 1st. If you no longer qualify for a plan or they no longer support a plan, they can switch you to a new one. (Paraphrased, but close to a direct quote)
So glad I jumped ship from Sprint in May.
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New Verizon Unlimited Plan

Anyone switch to the new verizon unlimited plan who is grandfather in the old unlimited plan? I see the difference in savings but is it worth it? Any fine print we are missing?
https://www.verizonwireless.com/plans/verizon-plan/#plan-details

rsalas187 said:
Anyone switch to the new verizon unlimited plan who is grandfather in the old unlimited plan? I see the difference in savings but is it worth it? Any fine print we are missing?
https://www.verizonwireless.com/plans/verizon-plan/#plan-details
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I would say it's worth it if you use a lot of data and if it saves you money why not??

I don't know if they're planning on changing it but right now you'll lose your employee discount(s) per the CS rep I spoke to and his supervisor.
ETA I read the 1st post wrong, I don't know if you get discounts with the old UL plan. If not,disregard....

Norwester said:
I don't know if they're planning on changing it but right now you'll lose your employee discount(s) per the CS rep I spoke to and his supervisor.
ETA I read the 1st post wrong, I don't know if you get discounts with the old UL plan. If not,disregard....
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You are correct, Discounts will no longer happen on new plans.
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I went by the my local verizon store and the new plan is 22gb shared for all lines and not 22gigs per line. You also get 10 gig for your hotpspot shared. #FinePrint #VerizonFail
If it was 22gigs per line I would switch today but to get that it would $100 per line.
One side note: Because I'm on the grandfathered plan, phone upgrades were never possible. The system now lets me do a payment plan on all phones. They tried this on a pixel XL in the system and everything went through with no issues.
Hope it helps!

rsalas187 said:
You are correct, Discounts will no longer happen on new plans.
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I went by the my local verizon store and the new plan is 22gb shared for all lines and not 22gigs per line. You also get 10 gig for your hotpspot shared. #FinePrint #VerizonFail
If it was 22gigs per line I would switch today but to get that it would $100 per line.
One side note: Because I'm on the grandfathered plan, phone upgrades were never possible. The system now lets me do a payment plan on all phones. They tried this on a pixel XL in the system and everything went through with no issues.
Hope it helps!
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The 22 gigs isn't a soft cap, they just might throttle you if the network is congested in your area. I don't see them doing it often though since they don't on legacy UDP users and AT&T says the same thing on their UDP (for DirecTV customers) and I've seen people on that plan use over 50GBs without throttling on that plan. Verizon usually mirrors AT&T plans/policies, which is why I think that's relevant.
I don't think Verizon reps are very reliable either, as I've asked different reps the same question several times before and got different answers on technical things like this before. I would ask another one or two more on the phone or in store and you'll see how useless they are.

rsalas187 said:
Anyone switch to the new verizon unlimited plan who is grandfather in the old unlimited plan? I see the difference in savings but is it worth it? Any fine print we are missing?
https://www.verizonwireless.com/plans/verizon-plan/#plan-details
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I have the exact same question!
I hate to make this move after struggling for years to keep grandfathered UDP. The only downside I see is that currently we wouldn't be throttled above 22 GB, but with the new plan, we could be. If that is the only downside (even after losing company discount), it is so worth it to save $50/month in my case.
I did ask Verizon and they said I'm not losing anything by making the switch, but I don't exactly trust them.
How can we determine for sure?

svtkobra7 said:
I have the exact same question!
I hate to make this move after struggling for years to keep grandfathered UDP. The only downside I see is that currently we wouldn't be throttled above 22 GB, but with the new plan, we could be. If that is the only downside (even after losing company discount), it is so worth it to save $50/month in my case.
I did ask Verizon and they said I'm not losing anything by making the switch, but I don't exactly trust them.
How can we determine for sure?
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I switched the day it came out. I'm currently at 30GB for the month and haven't noticed any throttling yet, and I've been steaming a lot and watching quite a bit of YouTube. I've been running speed tests to check randomly. They said throttling or being prioritized on the network might happen to the top 3% I believe. It probably all depends on your location as far as any of the fine print goes. It's a leap of faith, but worth it in the long run I'd imagine unless you need peak speeds at all times. Which most people probably don't.

T-Mobile is still the best deal with the best price. $70 1 line, $100 for 2 lines full HD 1080p streaming (VZW is 720p) 10gb HotSpot 28gb before de-prioritization (VZW 22gb). It's the 2 line deal thats the no brainer.

Eric214 said:
T-Mobile is still the best deal with the best price. $70 1 line, $100 for 2 lines full HD 1080p streaming (VZW is 720p) 10gb HotSpot 28gb before de-prioritization (VZW 22gb). It's the 2 line deal thats the no brainer.
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Yeah as long as you live in a larger city where they actually have coverage. I get 110mbps download speeds at my house in the middle of nowhere with Verizon. T-Mobile barely has 3G and no building penetration back here. Pass.

JRJ442 said:
Yeah as long as you live in a larger city where they actually have coverage. I get 110mbps download speeds at my house in the middle of nowhere with Verizon. T-Mobile barely has 3G and no building penetration back here. Pass.
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Stupid question regarding building penetration - I live in Atlanta where the coverage is great except for my condo. If I was in the middle of the building, I'd expect crappy signal due to concrete structure, etc; however, with floor to ceiling windows and being very close to them, why would I still get crappy signal?
I've never pulled 110 mbps down - that is nice! What am I doing wrong?

JRJ442 said:
Yeah as long as you live in a larger city where they actually have coverage. I get 110mbps download speeds at my house in the middle of nowhere with Verizon. T-Mobile barely has 3G and no building penetration back here. Pass.
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Well I don't live in a big city. I live in a rural area 40 miles south of Philly and about 60 miles north of Baltimore. I get 80-90mbps . The thinking of T-Mobile having only coverage in big cities hasn't held true for well over a year or 2 now. Plus, I doubt you're truly in the middle of nowhere if you're getting 110mbps. That would mean you would have a cell tower on your property basically.

You get up to 22 gigs then it slows down. But if people in your area are not crowding the towers you should be good
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My question is: for anyone who tethers on the grandfathered unlimited data plan without paying extra because you have an unlocked nexus 6p, will verizon be able to detect the 10GB of tethering if you switch to the new Unlimited plan, even if you didn't buy your phone from verizon (ie no software to detect tethering to force you to pay more, as would happen on grandfathered unlimited data)?