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Kitkat for SM-P600 in Europe

Hi!Last May Samsung released the update to android 4.4.2 for SM-P600 (WiFi model) in spain (PHE). Nowadays Samsung hasn't realised the update for any other European county yet .Does anybody knows why?

...because....Samsung. Sorry, no one knows why, we assume bug fixing but I doubt those at Samsung have a good excuse other than they can't be bothered. Take solace in the fact that when it will be released, it hopefully will be completely bug free, but don't count on it!

periswell said:
...because....Samsung. Sorry, no one knows why, we assume bug fixing but I doubt those at Samsung have a good excuse other than they can't be bothered. Take solace in the fact that when it will be released, it hopefully will be completely bug free, but don't count on it!
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I've given up on ever getting it. Mine is OK without kitkat though so I am not bothered. Especially as I will be getting the nexus 8/9 when it arrives. Samsung cannot keep up with the range of devices they have.

KitKat...when? Who knows?...Do Samsung care?
Who knows? There never seems to be any rhyme or reason to Samsung's firmware update schedule.
It usually doesn't bother me as when you read around, most of the other manufacturers are just as bad. Lately though, Samsung seem to have gotten progressively worse with their firmware updates.
In the case of the SM-P600 I bought this as it was their latest tablet at the time of buying (Christmas 2013) and I thought it would be a prime candidate for a quick update. How wrong could i be?
I've always favoured Samsung hardware over other stuff (not sure why, I just like their stuff) but the firmware update debacle with their phones and tablets is seriously making me think about a switch to a Nexus next time round. At least you know what you're getting with a vanilla Google phone.
Come on Samsung, pull your finger out!!

They just don't care and they wonder why their sales are constantly falling...
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Lympe said:
They just don't care and they wonder why their sales are constantly falling...
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Exactly!
Some days I think who cares about the update but then I tell myself why do I settle for this aweful service from Samsung ... I have an S3 and safe to say I wont buy a Samsung phone anytime soon and I'm hopeing in a couple of years time when I upgrade my tablet there is something equal or better than this Note 2014 because Samsung are a joke with the updates. Last update for UK was November - 9 Months ago! Samsung clearly don't care and tbh I no longer care for Samsung and I have actually been talking many people out of buying Samsung products because of this.
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The Note 10.1 2014 is definitely the last samsung mobile product I'll ever buy. In the future I'll stick with Apple and Google as they provide updates for a decent amount of time. Heck, my iPhone 4S is even running the latest software ...
Geordie Affy said:
Exactly!
Some days I think who cares about the update but then I tell myself why do I settle for this aweful service from Samsung ... I have an S3 and safe to say I wont buy a Samsung phone anytime soon and I'm hopeing in a couple of years time when I upgrade my tablet there is something equal or better than this Note 2014 because Samsung are a joke with the updates. Last update for UK was November - 9 Months ago! Samsung clearly don't care and tbh I no longer care for Samsung and I have actually been talking many people out of buying Samsung products because of this.
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Why would people want the kitkat release? Battery life is less and you lose card writes for third party apps. My 2014 is much better staying now with 4.3. Battery life is better and all of my apps work fine with writing to the sd card. Only catch is 128gb cards ironically do not work with 4.3. 64g are fine though.

rushless said:
Why would people want the kitkat release? Battery life is less and you lose card writes for third party apps. My 2014 is much better staying now with 4.3. Battery life is better and all of my apps work fine with writing to the sd card. Only catch is 128gb cards ironically do not work with 4.3. 64g are fine though.
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Well i read battery is a equal and initially I was annoyed at the sd card restrictions but I've noticed lately it wont realy affect me.
Kitkat is meant to be faster and also lately my note crashes ... no idea why as I havent messed about with anything, this is exactly what happened to my S3, fine at first and slowly starts to slow. Simple as Samsung are rubbish, all too common issues and they aint getting my money in the future.
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uiterlix said:
The Note 10.1 2014 is definitely the last samsung mobile product I'll ever buy. In the future I'll stick with Apple and Google as they provide updates for a decent amount of time. Heck, my iPhone 4S is even running the latest software ...
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Same here, it will take a lot to get me to buy another samsung phone. As I sit here watching my loudly buzzing samsung plasma tv....
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There is nothing stopping you from installing 4.4^^ As far as I know you won't break anything when you install official software. Just download and install any 4.4 firmware...
I use it since 4 months or so (custom rom based on the spanish 4.4), battery is fine and sd card can be reenabled with root.
Still would be nice if they released an official version for the other countries. There is no reason not to do it.

Lympe said:
They just don't care and they wonder why their sales are constantly falling...
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Seems to be a common theme as of late...

Hello guys,
a silly question but can I upgrade my tablet to 4.4.2 Spain STOCK version without tripping the knox? I'm on 4.3 stock -Belgian model. We have been waiting and waiting and waiting but it doesnt seem that Samsung is ever going to upgrade the rest of the N2014 p-600 tablets. Some were lucky and received the upgrade and some like the Belgium, Netherlands, UK not... (((((

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Where on earth is Lollipop?

Hi guys,
I have a British Note 4, running BTU and I'm still waiting for Lollipop. Having owned many many devices over the last few years, I'm more than used to this waiting game, but it's getting a bit crazy now?
Lollipop was released a few weeks after the Note 4 was announced, we are now three, almost four months in to the following year and I'm yet to receive the update?
Poland, Samsung's Beta location received the update a long time ago. What's going on are there some serious Lollipop issues?

If you're running Exynos CPU then apparently were awaiting Intel to produce drivers for the radio. I have N910U international unbranded model and no update yet either, yet most carrier models are updated, very unusual. I feel you though, we are almost in to the 4th month of the year and I seem to recall SS mentioning GN4 will be receiving Android 5.0 shortly 6 months ago lol, oh well looks like I may consider the Saygus V2, beast of a phone!

I wish I could say that's the model I have but unfortunately it isn't! I'm running the N910F
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I'm using the same phone and I'm wondering exactly the same. Keep checking this forum nearly daily to see if there is any news but nothing. Must be coming soon tho.
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Lolipop update for Note 4 its official a failure!! I see HTC One M8 and LG G3 and Note 3 that i sold to buy the Note 4 with oficial updates and my Note 4 on 4.4.4
Worst... no oficial word on the subject by Samsung.

homer285 said:
If you're running Exynos CPU then apparently were awaiting Intel to produce drivers for the radio. I have N910U international unbranded model and no update yet either, yet most carrier models are updated, very unusual. I feel you though, we are almost in to the 4th month of the year and I seem to recall SS mentioning GN4 will be receiving Android 5.0 shortly 6 months ago lol, oh well looks like I may consider the Saygus V2, beast of a phone!
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At last someone asked this question, I was wondering why no one has asked this already!

Samsung should update us
note 3s are being updated etc ...but most unlocked carrier free international phone still no update.....Samsung should say something like we are sorting out bugs but we plan to release it within the next few weeks.
the way they are doing it now doesn't help create a good brand

Although hard every company should be like Apple when it comes to software updates. Everyone should get it at the same time.
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The G version we have down here in Australia is in the same boat. Until every component is built in house (applies to any manufacturer) then software updates for every model variation won't be possible. Sucks but usually comes with the option of choice.

The UK is one of the countries which has the gear VR and that might be the reason for the delay as the UK note 4 has to work with the gear VR on lollipop and is waiting for oculus update.

No one gives a flying you know what about Gear VR, its a poor excuse to prolong an update so that SS can release S6 in hope (we whom remain pre updated and with bugs) that we jump ship!
Deplorable and unforgivable!
Another lost customer here Samdung, better to not bull**** consumers when releasing products!

homer285 said:
No one gives a flying you know what about Gear VR, its a poor excuse to prolong an update so that SS can release S6 in hope (we whom remain pre updated and with bugs) that we jump ship!
Deplorable and unforgivable!
Another lost customer here Samdung, better to not bull**** consumers when releasing products!
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Calm down mate. The only thing I don't get, is how come you're on XDA developers forum and still doesn't have lollipop? I'm on ee and have dirty flashed with Odin first German and now that new Dutch rom and it's all good. UK is important market for Sammy, hence I guess they want to make sure everything is buttoned up before proper release. DBT rom wasn't good, that's why they stopped rollout.

homer285 said:
No one gives a flying you know what about Gear VR, its a poor excuse to prolong an update so that SS can release S6 in hope (we whom remain pre updated and with bugs) that we jump ship!
Deplorable and unforgivable!
Another lost customer here Samdung, better to not bull**** consumers when releasing products!
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You really think that people are going to change their phone just because the new one has the latest lollipop? Surely you would have to be an idiot to that.

What's happened to 5.1.1 update

Is it because when we get it our battery problems will be solved and battery life will beat note 5... Strange that full price unlocked phones still no updates but usa carriers have. Disgraceful really... One thing I really like about the iPhone upgrades are fast and for every model with support for older models at least 2 or three years

Santa will bring it.

I agree with you that Samsung are holding 5.1.1 for Note 4 and that's probably not to fix bugs but more likely because they want Note 4 users move to Note 5.
But I don't think Apple is the best example when it comes to updates. They usually release updates that have performances or battery life problem on older iphone's models and only newer models (or the one from the year before) can access to all fonctionalities.

alex9898 said:
I agree with you that Samsung are holding 5.1.1 for Note 4 and that's probably not to fix bugs but more likely because they want Note 4 users move to Note 5.
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That can't be true. The 5.1.1 update is only available in the US right now which is the only country (apart from Korea) that will actually get the Note 5.

Yes us cariers... But what about the rest of the world.... Not to mention people who paid full price.

iridaki said:
That can't be true. The 5.1.1 update is only available in the US right now which is the only country (apart from Korea) that will actually get the Note 5.
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I said Note 5 but I think about the S6 Edge+ too.

magichoward said:
Yes us cariers... But what about the rest of the world.... Not to mention people who paid full price.
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read it again.

Is it not normally the case that the clever folk on the XDA forums can make it so that the US firmware for 5.1.1 can work on the international variant 910F?

captainbirdseye86 said:
Is it not normally the case that the clever folk on the XDA forums can make it so that the US firmware for 5.1.1 can work on the international variant 910F?
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Shouldn't be too much work, but I doubt it would be worth it considering the official update could come any day now. Also Sprint and T-Mobile released the updates, not Samsung, so Samsung could still be holding back the firmware for international Note 4 customers. There's just nothing we can do right now, other than to wait for the update to drop. I'm going to guess we'll see it the same time the Note 5/S6/S6 Edge/S6 Edge Plus (how many top tier phones does one company really need?) gets updates to Android Marshmellow (which is running awesome btw on my Nexus 5).

captainbirdseye86 said:
Is it not normally the case that the clever folk on the XDA forums can make it so that the US firmware for 5.1.1 can work on the international variant 910F?
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Sammy have screwed things up with lollipop on the sd variants. To get it to boot you need the modem files from the same base. This means to get 5.1.1 tmob booted we'd need the tmob modem. Trust me I've tried every thing I can think of to get either the tmob or sprint releases to boot but no luck
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Toss3 said:
Shouldn't be too much work, but I doubt it would be worth it considering the official update could come any day now. Also Sprint and T-Mobile released the updates, not Samsung, so Samsung could still be holding back the firmware for international Note 4 customers. There's just nothing we can do right now, other than to wait for the update to drop. I'm going to guess we'll see it the same time the Note 5/S6/S6 Edge/S6 Edge Plus (how many top tier phones does one company really need?) gets updates to Android Marshmellow (which is running awesome btw on my Nexus 5).
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I should add note5 firmware doesnt have stagefright fix too. They will want to add that fix in note 4 firmware aswell.

Guys will Touchwuiz Themes will be added in 5.1.1 update ?
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I dont think so. Samsung wants you to buy s6 or Note 5... then u got themes when u pay cash

I don't think Samsung is holding back updates because of their selling policy. The usual customer doesn't know abou it. We on xda are keeping an eye on the updates, but we are probably just 1% and that isn't significant.

muamers said:
I don't think Samsung is holding back updates because of their selling policy. The usual customer doesn't know abou it. We on xda are keeping an eye on the updates, but we are probably just 1% and that isn't significant.
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That is a valid argument, but most regular people at the store normally go for the phone with the newer android version, so even for regular Joes it matters.

Toss3 said:
That is a valid argument, but most regular people at the store normally go for the phone with the newer android version, so even for regular Joes it matters.
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I don't know...I'm just saying that my family is just buying the newer phones and they don't know what android version they are getting. I recently got my brothers note3 to use and he didn't update at all since he buyed it. And I think he's an avarage user.
The android versions are confusing for the avarage user, not like iOS. Google and Samsung and other manufacturers don't make such big deals of the updates like Apple does.

We've been waiting far too long for 5.1.1, I must say. Samsung truly have taken their time.
I've had the S2, S3 and S4, and never waited this long for updates.
I am loving my Note 4 more than any other Samsung...heck any phone in general I've owned, that is including more than my 1st smartphone, the Nokia N80, which I absolutely adored. Yet I can't help but feel Samsung is letting down what has to be their greatest smartphone in recent times with slow updates, its such a shame really.
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POLO_i780 said:
We've been waiting far too long for 5.1.1, I must say. Samsung truly have taken their time.
I've had the S2, S3 and S4, and never waited this long for updates.
I am loving my Note 4 more than any other Samsung...heck any phone in general I've owned, that is including more than my 1st smartphone, the Nokia N80, which I absolutely adored. Yet I can't help but feel Samsung is letting down what has to be their greatest smartphone in recent times with slow updates, its such a shame really.
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Never waited this long for updates? Seriously, seems like you never owned a Galaxy Note N7000. More than 8 months waiting for the Jelly Bean 4.1.2 update and one year for Carrier Updates. The best treated Note was the Galaxy Note 2, which recived JB 4.2.2, 4.3, 4.4 Kitkat and even Lollipop was planned for it. But yes, now that the Note 5 is released, we need to wait a couple of months to see a big update for our Note 4. I'm pretty sure that Android 6.0 Marshmallow will be the last one, sadly, knowing Samsung and their update policy.

It is very simple. They delay 5.1.1 because of Note 5. They want customer have more reasons to upgrade, to buy their new phone. And if they do like 5.0.1, just upgrade OS core, no more features like on S6, Note 4 user will be disappointed with them. Many user want removable battery, better battery life option, sd card support so they will not upgrade soon!

Zanr Zij said:
It is very simple. They delay 5.1.1 because of Note 5. They want customer have more reasons to upgrade, to buy their new phone. And if they do like 5.0.1, just upgrade OS core, no more features like on S6, Note 4 user will be disappointed with them. Many user want removable battery, better battery life option, sd card support so they will not upgrade soon!
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You are right, this is the truth.
I will keep my Note 4 (KitKat 4.4.4), I downgrade from 5.0.1 because of bugs and I will not update my Note 4 to any new firmware unless it will be bug free as much as the 4.4.4 firmware.
that will lead me to change my mind regarding what is next after Note 4 (My next smartphone) ?!!!
I will think twice before buying something from Samsung, specially after using glass for building their smartphones.

Guess when Verizon Note 4 will get MM 6.0.1~

Sprint MM 6.0.1 was released as an Odin flash by someone, with OTA likely coming within the next few days.
T-Mobile MM 6.0.1 rumored to be released within the next 2 weeks.
Verizon MM 6.0.1 -- going by Verizon's history versus the other US carriers, I guess we can expect MM 6.0.1 by about October 2016? Knowing Verizon, they will purposely delay the release until at least the Note 6 is released, and possibly even a month later because f*** the current devices owners! Buy a new f***ing device if you want an updated OS! So maybe November 2016 and Verizon says you'll like it!
The good news is, now that we have all have Developer Edition Verizon Note 4's, any enterprising dev can take it upon themselves to port one of the other carrier Note 4 MM 6.0.1 releases to our phones :laugh:

I predicted about 4 months ago that we'd get MM around the end of June to early July. However, with Verizon's recent flurry of "fast" updates to MM on LG devices and most of the other Samsung handsets, I'll revise that date to end of May to early June. I am also predicting that the Galaxy Tab S models will never receive MM in any official form and will be EOL'd with 5.0.2

That's a bold prediction and I hope you're right!
I just don't want to wait the usual 6 months on Verizon Time to get updates lol

I'm willing to bet we are gonna wait a bit longer then what verizon planned due to the recent exploit found to unlock the bootloader.
No way they're gonna just let that slide without implementing a fix before a major update.
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As soon as I unlock this B**ch, and flash CM13! I'm sick of waiting for them.. my old Nexus 7 2013 has had marshmellow since last sept!

mustk1ll20 said:
I'm willing to bet we are gonna wait a bit longer then what verizon planned due to the recent exploit found to unlock the bootloader.
No way they're gonna just let that slide without implementing a fix before a major update.
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Well you can't exactly close this exploit without making it impossible for legitimate Samsung updates to write to the eMMC from what I know. That's how they found it in the first place, because Samsung found a problem with the eMMC in the S5 which they determined required patching and the only way to do it was overwrite a protected region using the special write command which isn't supposed to be public knowledge. So if you disable that, and you find a problem down the road, you just made your device unfixable.
Newer Samsung devices use UFS anyways so this isn't exactly an exploit with a lot of current device usefulness. Verizon has no choice but to let this one go.

The note 4 is just about at the end of its shelf life sales wise. I don't think they'll spend a dime more on support than they'll have to.

I was a long time Samsung user who ditched them around the S5/Note 3 days when they starting locking everything down tight. I did own a dev S5 and loved that phone when I had.
So as soon as I saw that the N4 was unlocked I scooped one up on Craigslist. There's no way I can use 5.1.1 after having 6.0 for so long on other devices. I'm on CM13 now which is pretty smooth but it has the normal CM bugs... Camera that works most of the time and only fails when someone is posing for a picture, flashlight won't come on after/during camera fail, occasional reboot, wonky navigation. I've had no data losses which was my biggest concern so I believe this is a rock solid CM build. But I've grown accustomed to everything working all of the time.
I was just about to say goodbye to this phone until I read this post. Maybe I'll stick it in a drawer and see if we get a MM port soon.
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Thanks for informing me on that. Haven't really kept up with all this as the past few phones I've owned have been locked down.
Assumed it'll be a simple patch for them.
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Sam Mobile has been busy with 6.0.1 odin files for various Note 4 variants. Here's what I was able to find.
SM-N910G - http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-N910G/
SM-N910P - http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-N910P/
SM-N910R4 - http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-N910R4/
SM-910U - http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-N910U/
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Drat.. no SM-N910V yet

Where is android 7.1.x for S8+?

The last Samsung phone I owned was a Galaxy S3, a few years later I bought the Galaxy S8+. My previous phone (the Z5 already has android 7.1 for months now). Even then people on XDA were complaining about how slow Sony updates their phones. But now I'm here, with the S8+ and I'm wondering, why does the S8+ not have android 7.1 yet? Is there any schedule available of Samsung updating this phone. There's also so little development. Back in the days the Galaxy phones had so much development going on, which I missed.
I'm happy with this phone and android 7.0, but android 8 is almost coming and were still running on 7.0.

the step from 7.0 to 7.1 is not that big...

At all but the note 8 will be first

I've been in the Motorola community for the last 3 years, but I think the lack of development has to do with Knox.
Also, is bought this phone knowing that updates were going to be slow, and I am fine with that. After years of custom roms, I am getting tired of doing workarounds just to get things to work. I am happy to have things just work.

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I've been in the Motorola community for the last 3 years, but I think the lack of development has to do with Knox.
Also, is bought this phone knowing that updates were going to be slow, and I am fine with that. After years of custom roms, I am getting tired of doing workarounds just to get things to work. I am happy to have things just work.
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I agree with this, the only reason I rooted my phone was to use AdAway and mainly to use Viper4Android. Which I'm regretting a little, since I can't use Secure Folder, but I'm hoping someone manages to make it work... With Knox tripped. Now a stock ROMs are so good that rooting isn't needed as often to require something.
Although people say the step from 7.0 to 7.1 aint big, progress is progess and in my eyes Samsung is taking a long time to update this phone.

Yeah but its a bummer seeing £500 phones come out with it (Blackbury, One+) come to mind and my £850 flagship is still running 7.0
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More likely Samsung is going to skip 7.1 and we will get upgrade to 8.0
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Why does anyone care. It's just a number. We've got the latest security patch and apart from that 7.1.x brought basically nothing new.
Better Samsung invests their time into a timely 8.0 release.

I care. Android 7.0 has a bug in its (default) TLS implementation which makes it not work with implementations / servers which offer higher ec curves than 256 (such as secp384r1 or secp521r1). If any of those curves are offered as preferred, the whole TLS connection fails (instead of just using a lower curve, if offered; or a non-EC cipher suite). This bug has real world implications. E.g. davdroid (caldav / cardav sync adapter) fails with any TLS server using such a setup. To make matters worse in nginx this can only be configured globally, i.e. for all domains served. While the config option is available in server{} statements, it doesn't have any effect. The nginx developers claim this is due to a bug in OpenSSL.
Anyways, the true issue is Android 7.0 failing. This has been fixed by Google in 7.1. Of course Samsung could backport this fix, and remain at 7.0. But they didn't even do that. Given that this bug is known for a long time and has been fixed (in 7.1) for a long time this is really bad support for a such a premium phone.

Tiges said:
More likely Samsung is going to skip 7.1 and we will get upgrade to 8.0
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domsch1988 said:
Why does anyone care. It's just a number. We've got the latest security patch and apart from that 7.1.x brought basically nothing new.
Better Samsung invests their time into a timely 8.0 release.
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yes I also think that samsung will skip 7.1 to directly go to 8.0, and as 7.1 is not that big and Samsung is not very quick even for big os upgrades

robhug said:
yes I also think that samsung will skip 7.1 to directly go to 8.0, and as 7.1 is not that big and Samsung is not very quick even for big os upgrades
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Yeah so we probably will get 8.0 in 2018
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I also own LG G5 (T-Mobile) and it has 7.0 still. I wish Samsung was faster on updates. I am waiting on Nokia 8

Charkatak said:
I also own LG G5 (T-Mobile) and it has 7.0 still. I wish Samsung was faster on updates. I am waiting on Nokia 8
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I'm really surprised to say that, but the Nokia 8 looks like a really great phone. They seem to have nailed it pretty much.