Firstly, what a phone!!
So, I went to 4 shops, all advised against a windows phone, found a Win 8 Lumia 800 for 150 euro, sim free... thought to my self, at that price worth a punt.
Edit// Just realised this is on 7.5.. oh... well still impressed!
And big smiles all round - solid piece of kit, feels great in the hand, the glass is particularly nice, snappy, zippy and love the social integration. I just don't understand why people are suggesting against? I know there is the cool factor and windows 8 in most people eyes isn't cool, but to me it is actually very cool, nice refreshing, crisp OS, well manufactured bit of kit and not slow at all (bar one thing I'm about to ask about).
So 2 questions I guess, other than the "media" and the "style!" objections is there really another reason to not buy one of these?
Second question.
Download/push/response on social applications, email, facebook, the built "messages" application are very slow at updating, I think it is a battery saving feature but I've searched everywhere and cannot locate it for the life of me? Any one have any ideas?
I do 90% of my chat via whatsapp and facebook so this is a fairly big problem, some messages take 5 minutes to come through?
Am I just missing something really simple? And while I love the unified systems play by MS with calling it all Windows 8... Am I missing an acronym or something for the phone edition? Troubleshooting online becomes a real pain in the ass as you get sent to forums about all sorts of randomness, about tablet and PC oriented questions.
The WP7 (Windows Phone 7, which is what the Lumia 800 runs) forum is that way. There is no such thing as a "Win 8 Lumia 800"; you can get the Lumia 810/820/822 which runs Windows Phone 8 (*still* not Windows 8, although a lot more similar; Win8 is a PC/tablet OS with the desktop and all) if you want the newest version of the phone software. That's why the 800 was cheap; it's the last year's software. There's at least one more update coming in the next month or three for WP7 devices, but that will only bring some of the WP8 features not all of them.
Dell Venue 8 Pro is $229 now at Walmart. I so appreciate the roms here but sometimes wonder if Android is too limited.
I hate Windows 8 and avoid it on my desktop. I run win 7.
Sometimes websites just dont work well on android and flash is always a problem.
Would you return your Nexus 7 2013 for an even exchange of a Dell Venue 8 Pro?
Holysmoke99 said:
Would you return your Nexus 7 2013 for an even exchange of a Dell Venue 8 Pro?
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No. The resolution is too low, 8" is slightly too large for most of my pockets and I don't miss Windows 8 applications while I'm on the go. I have an 11.6" 2in1 convertible tablet with a digitizer for my work related stuff and my Nexus 7 is purely for entertainment and consumption. For that, Android is well enough and the pros it has far outweigh the cons for me.
Now, if the Dell had HDMI/DP output, full sized USB ports, a normal SD slot or at least a 128GB SSD and a digitizer with a quad core Kabini, that might have swayed me.
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No. The resolution is too low, 8" is slightly too large for most of my pockets and I don't miss Windows 8 applications while I'm on the go. I have an 11.6" 2in1 convertible tablet with a digitizer for my work related stuff and my Nexus 7 is purely for entertainment and consumption. For that, Android is well enough and the pros it has far outweigh the cons for me.
Now, if the Dell had HDMI/DP output, full sized USB ports, a normal SD slot or at least a 128GB SSD and a digitizer with a quad core Kabini, that might have swayed me.
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8" is too small to run windows in a desktop environment. I can hardly find my way around with big fingers. so then you need apps to make the tablet usable but then you remember win8 apps are non existent.
I agree with all - 8 inch is way too small for real Windows desktop. Android is perfect for 7, 8 inch tablets.
Also, media consumption isn't where it should be on windows tablets, yet.
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I checked that today.
the Dell seem to be a nice tablet but 32gig is not enough for window 8.
for now I stick with window 7 on a old netbook and my n7.
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Also, media consumption isn't where it should be on windows tablets, yet.
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What are you talking about? Windows doesn't lack media options at all. In fact, it's one of the few platforms that can play basically everything. Even 1080p 10 bit h264 plays without dropped frames on a Dell Venue 8 Pro.
I have a Venue 8 Pro I'm playing with now, and I'm so tempted to switch at times. Metro performance is way ahead of any Android device in scrolling and loading. Metro IE is actually amazing fast and Chrome on desktop is about Chrome on Android. And despite running a full desktop and apps, it seems to keep programs in memory longer.
Unfortunately, while Metro app performance is really good, it's still seriously lacking in basic apps. There's basically 1 choice for IM outside of Skype. Only Metro apps have connected standby and get notifications when the tablet is asleep, so it's a major drawback. The virtual keyboard also doesn't seem to do any autocorrect on desktop, making typing a major pain.
I'm really torn. The 2 problems I have with it are major problems for me, but on the other hand, there's the performance and the ability to run basically any old program.
There's also a 64 GB version and microSD, so storage isn't that much of an issue.
No way. I'd get one of the Galaxy tabs. If only for the reason that the Windows devices don't have much market penetration, and they are not at least semi open source like Android. Fragmentation has become less of an issue in my opinion as Android matures.
I just read an article yesterday that Windows 8 use dropped, just a tiny amount, while Windows 7 went up a bit.
Windows tablets will be like the Windows media players. While working well enough for purple who prefer them, their numbers will plateau at a fairly low percentage while the numbers for Android/iDevices will go up. To me that matters.
And I like Android, a lot.
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I think it depends on what you want to use that tablet for. I agree with the others that the screen is too small for it to really be a productivity tablet, so then its more for consumables and I'd pick the higher resolution of the 7.
Rick
Holysmoke99 said:
Dell Venue 8 Pro is $229 now at Walmart. I so appreciate the roms here but sometimes wonder if Android is too limited.
I hate Windows 8 and avoid it on my desktop. I run win 7.
Sometimes websites just dont work well on android and flash is always a problem.
Would you return your Nexus 7 2013 for an even exchange of a Dell Venue 8 Pro?
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Where is it for 229.00 I see it in Wal-Mart for 269.00
I actually did the total opposite! I bought the Dell Venue Pro 8 and after a few days, returned it and picked up a N7, and I am very glad I did. The v8p is a very nice device, however I found that I prefer Android...and if one is using android then the N7 is boss!
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In case anyone hasn't noticed, Dell Venue 8 Pro will be on sale next Monday morning(Dec 9) for $99 at Microsoft Stores.
Just get both.
Unless you're comfortable with an external bluetooth mouse you're not going to want a Venue 8 Pro. Desktop applications + touch screen Win 8 =
Trust me, I have a touch screen laptop. You use the touch screen for Metro apps. the occasional scrolling/zooming, and that's about it.
EDIT: but for $99...
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Where is it for 229.00 I see it in Wal-Mart for 269.00
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OP posted the price on Nov 26th and during the sale week of black friday, you responded 8 days later so ya.... I am sure there is most likely a price difference now on most items :laugh:
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Unless you're comfortable with an external bluetooth mouse you're not going to want a Venue 8 Pro. Desktop applications + touch screen Win 8 =
Trust me, I have a touch screen laptop. You use the touch screen for Metro apps. the occasional scrolling/zooming, and that's about it.
EDIT: but for $99...
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I am using this tool, no Bluetooth mouse is needed.
http://www.lovesummertrue.com/touchmousepointer/en-us/
I have to say after picking up the HP Omni 10 Win8.1 tablet, I've grown to prefer it over Android. I can actually watch any movie files and things just work and not in a limited way. Everything is smooth and no crashes...yet but it's still windows after all. Still have the N7FHD of course for app games and such.
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No way. I'd get one of the Galaxy tabs. If only for the reason that the Windows devices don't have much market penetration, and they are not at least semi open source like Android. Fragmentation has become less of an issue in my opinion as Android matures.
I just read an article yesterday that Windows 8 use dropped, just a tiny amount, while Windows 7 went up a bit.
Windows tablets will be like the Windows media players. While working well enough for purple who prefer them, their numbers will plateau at a fairly low percentage while the numbers for Android/iDevices will go up. To me that matters.
And I like Android, a lot.
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I have the venue 8pro. And a Nexus 7 2013.
Market penetration means nothing when it comes to personal use and functionality.
They are totally different devices.
Windows 8 isn't the best tablet os, but it's great if you want a portable device to do Microsoft work.
For regular use I prefer the Nexus because Android allows me to install
3rd party keyboards and I've grown accustomed to using SwiftKey. So for the Windows 8 tab my opinion is that the keyboard needs vast improvement if you're gonna use it like an android tab.
Speed wise venue 8 pro is not bad. I recommend getting the 64gb version cause 32 fills up fast!
-Wizzle
I hated the Venue 8 pro so much that I returned it hours after purchasing.
Windows on an 8" screen is such a joke. Metro apps are such a joke.
Windows is for large monitors. Android is for small screens. :silly:
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I hated the Venue 8 pro so much that I returned it hours after purchasing.
Windows on an 8" screen is such a joke. Metro apps are such a joke.
Windows is for large monitors. Android is for small screens. :silly:
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Yea. Windows RT isn't even full windows. Just a few Microsoft mobilized apps and some apps.
I honestly see using an 10" iPad or Android Tab for normal use, and remote desktop into a Windows 8 PC for business.
I do this now and its great. 1 PC at the office and I can manipulate my files and email them out all from my couch or hotel room. Sure its not going to allow graphic artistry or anything crazy, but Office and Email is perfect. I can operate our ticketing application with ease.
With this method you get the best of both. A solid mobile OS with tons of development and entertainment, and Remote Desktop for work stuff.
You can't remote desktop into an Android or iOS device.
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Yea. Windows RT isn't even full windows. Just a few Microsoft mobilized apps and some apps.
I honestly see using an 10" iPad or Android Tab for normal use, and remote desktop into a Windows 8 PC for business.
I do this now and its great. 1 PC at the office and I can manipulate my files and email them out all from my couch or hotel room. Sure its not going to allow graphic artistry or anything crazy, but Office and Email is perfect. I can operate our ticketing application with ease.
With this method you get the best of both. A solid mobile OS with tons of development and entertainment, and Remote Desktop for work stuff.
You can't remote desktop into an Android or iOS device.
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Dell Venue 8 Pro runs Full Windows 8, not RT.
I am curious I really haven't heard much and have googled it quite a bit to no avail. I am just curious has there been any news or insight of how microsoft will implement windows 10 on their current non pro series line up. A user of both series/platfoms I hope they don't leave the non pro series in the dark. I am also keeping my fingers crossed that they implement it into windows phone correctly as well.
https://twitter.com/joebelfiore/status/517441902669340672
Thanks now that I think back I think I saw that some where I am just really curious and waiting to see how they implement the new design they really have chance of making huge improvements on multiple platforms
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I'm hoping for an RT refresh that sports one of the tegra k1 with the bazillion cores. When they first announced that, I thought for sure we'd hear about a surface 3 with k1. But maybe it makes sense that they want to wait for windows 10 before releasing a new RT.
I just bought the HP Stream 7 and hardware wise it is a pretty great device, but software is a different story. Yes full Windows 8.1 might sound great at first, but it is on a 7" screen with touch controls making it very difficult to use when not hooked up to a mouse and keyboard. I was wondering if anyone as anyone been able to make Windows 8.1 more mobile friendly? Web browsing is terrible because it loads the desktop version of everything meaning no mobile support anywhere forcing you to try and tap on links that are extremely small. Maybe a modified user agent for IE11 could fix that? I'd even accept any sort of hacking on this thing, like maybe an Ubuntu OS with some kind of touch friendly front end. What have you guys done with your small 7 - 8" tablets to make them more usable when mobile?
I second this. Have mine comming in in a few days. This was exactly my concern. Anyone with experiences with Windows on small screens?
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I got a stream 8 and I basically purchased a stylus for it. I recommend the adonit jot pro. Kinda pricey (29.99), but is worth it considering g the headaches I got trying g to use with does 8.1 with my finger
So I've always had an adroid phone AI cell the G1. I like having the best phones but I guess mainly since it helps with keeping android smooth.
Ive tried iPhone a few tines but kept going back to android. I'm really liking the smoothness and simplicity of Windows mobile. I don't want to get a high end one, at least not yet but am looking at the new and great priced blu win HD LTE. For $200 not a bad price.
Just wondering what you have to say about the change for those who have become windows users.
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So I've always had an adroid phone AI cell the G1. I like having the best phones but I guess mainly since it helps with keeping android smooth.
Ive tried iPhone a few tines but kept going back to android. I'm really liking the smoothness and simplicity of Windows mobile. I don't want to get a high end one, at least not yet but am looking at the new and great priced blu win HD LTE. For $200 not a bad price.
Just wondering what you have to say about the change for those who have become windows users.
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Hi, I have an android phone (5.1 64bit dual sim zopo), but recently bought Blue Win HD lte and like it. Its quick, good battery life and plenty of apps. Takes a while to get used to, not as intuitive as android, but great for the price, text size is a bit small for my eyes!
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gmincca said:
Hi, I have an android phone (5.1 64bit dual sim zopo), but recently bought Blue Win HD lte and like it. Its quick, good battery life and plenty of apps. Takes a while to get used to, not as intuitive as android, but great for the price, text size is a bit small for my eyes!
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Plenty of apps? Its not true at all. It's full of dumb app. The most used apps on Android are not available on Windows mobile. I use the Lumia 550 with Windows 10 and its not easy to live with after using Android Marshmallow on the Android One(Karbonn Sparkle V). I've chosen the Windows phone because de camera and the batery, but i miss so much the Swiftkey and Google Photos backup apps. Oh and the Edge browser just sucks on Windows 10. There ar so many features and options thar are missing from Wondows OE and the windows apps.