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N7100 or N7105

I really have no idea but it appears the N7105 is international version with no LTE, at least that works with ATT. The N7100 is the model number with LTE that will work with ATT. Is this true? Negri Electronics is selling the N7100, the spec says "4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100". Does this work with ATT 4G LTE? Is this the model, if you want LTE, to buy?
I preordered from Negri a week ago, but definitely want LTE in U.S.so keep order or cancel? Many websites reference in specs LTE but others call for 2 models....anyone really know. Clove U.K. simply calls device Samsung Note 2, no reference to N7100 or N7105. It clearly doesn't show in specs 4G LTE, only 3G.Handtec (U.K.) calls out phone N7100 with the following spec:"3G: HSPA＋ 21Mbps (HSDPA 21Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps) 4G LTE: 100Mbps/ 50Mbps (HDSPA 42Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps)
So which is it? Does anyone know?

I am not sure, but in the fcc documents for the N7105 there's no mention of lte at all.
So I believe that the n7105 is the international without lte.
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If you live in the US, you want LTE. It's awesome in every respect. It's like having a FIOS line in the palm of your hand.

In Singapore, Note 1's model number is GT-N7000 while Note 1 LTE is GT-N7005. I do believe that Samsung's naming format for their international handsets doesn't differ from country to country. Therefore GT-N7105 is Note II LTE. just my educated guess.
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mix1987 said:
In Singapore, Note 1's model number is GT-N7000 while Note 1 LTE is GT-N7005. I do believe that Samsung's naming format for their international handsets doesn't differ from country to country. Therefore GT-N7105 is Note II LTE. just my educated guess.
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Correct! The models ending with 05 are LTE

nascar24usa said:
I really have no idea but it appears the N7105 is international version with no LTE, at least that works with ATT. The N7100 is the model number with LTE that will work with ATT. Is this true? Negri Electronics is selling the N7100, the spec says "4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100". Does this work with ATT 4G LTE? Is this the model, if you want LTE, to buy?
I preordered from Negri a week ago, but definitely want LTE in U.S.so keep order or cancel? Many websites reference in specs LTE but others call for 2 models....anyone really know. Clove U.K. simply calls device Samsung Note 2, no reference to N7100 or N7105. It clearly doesn't show in specs 4G LTE, only 3G.Handtec (U.K.) calls out phone N7100 with the following spec:"3G: HSPA＋ 21Mbps (HSDPA 21Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps) 4G LTE: 100Mbps/ 50Mbps (HDSPA 42Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps)
So which is it? Does anyone know?
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There are at least 5 different versions if not more. Although it is LTE capable, the version sold for England does not have a LTE chip, The German one does but it will not work on ATT. There are no LTE networks in Europe that I know about compatible with ATT LTE bands. If you buy one in Europe plan on using 3G and 2G on ATT. Make sure it has these bands:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
ATT uses 850 and 1900 for 2G and 3G. You need both.
To use ATT LTE you need a chip for this:
LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100.

From what I can tell, even if you happen to buy out of country versions that are compatible for some LTE frequencies for example AT&T, it may not be as compatible as phones you would get from AT&T directly because of the mix and match LTE spectrums that AT&T and all other carriers have purchased. I'm guessing the days of importing International versions are over if you care about good LTE coverage.
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There are at least 5 different versions if not more. Although it is LTE capable, the version sold for England does not have a LTE chip, The German one does but it will not work on ATT. There are no LTE networks in Europe that I know about compatible with ATT LTE bands. If you buy one in Europe plan on using 3G and 2G on ATT. Make sure it has these bands:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
ATT uses 850 and 1900 for 2G and 3G. You need both.
To use ATT LTE you need a chip for this:
LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100.
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Negri lists as follows:
Negri Electronics (Las Vegas) pre order lists the Note 2 as follows:
3G/4G bands 850 , 900 , 1900 , 2100
DATA GPRS Yes
EDGE Yes
Speed HSDPA, 21 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps; LTE, Cat3, 50 Mbps UL, 100 Mbps
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100
If accurate, this will work with ATT LTE, yes?

here is the lte version from hk web site but not yet official by samsung.
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=145083

according to what you can read here : http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3807&c=samsung_gt-n7105_galaxy_note_ii_lte_32gb
N7105 is LTE for LTE2600 (B7) and LTE800 (B20). Those frequencies have choosen for LTE in France

I wonder if the Korean LTE one released today will work in uk when our 4g is up and running. Anyone know?

lawtq said:
I wonder if the Korean LTE one released today will work in uk when our 4g is up and running. Anyone know?
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Unfortunately not. I believe that South Korean LTE is on 1800MHz. Post auction UK LTE frequencies are 800MHz and 2600MHz (these are the bands to be auctioned off before the end of 2012). However, it will likely work on EE's Interim LTE network.
Everything Everywhere will launch an 'interim 4G' solution, running LTE on some of its unused 1800MHz spectrum (from the T-Mobile/Orange Merger). This will be rolled out to 16 cities before the end of the year. EE 4G is up and running as we speak, but only for dongles, and one cannot yet buy a phone on contract from them.
Aside from that, O2 and Vodafone have lots of spectrum at 900MHz, depending on what they secure at 800MHz, they might ask ofcom to allow them to run LTE on 900MHz, likely siting ofcoms agreement to allow EE to run LTE on 1800MHz as ammunition!
Three (which only had 2100MHz spectrum since its a 3G only provider), has bought some 1800MHz spectrum off EE. They have not yet declared what they will use this for, but one would suspect limited 'interim 4G' like EE.
There are basically no phones out there at the moment that support both post-auction UK LTE frequencies (800MHz and 2600MHz). France apparently uses 800MHz and 2600MHz although only the latter is currently live. There is a note 2 variant on its way that does 800/2600MHz. Lots more will follow.
The problem we have in the UK, is that we might end up with 4 LTE bands: 800MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz and 2600MHz !!! No phones are going to be doing all this lot anytime soon. (I was wrong: Nokia Lumnia 920 does, Samsungs do not yet)
Additionally, what happens post-auction to EE's (and perhaps 3's) LTE network at 1800MHz - are they just going to shut it down (one would assume not!) If not then future phones for that network will need to do 800,1800 and 2600MHz. Will they cover the initial 16 cities with 800/2600MHz as well as 1800MHz to keep the early adopters happy?
UK LTE is a mess. Its partially DSO (TV digital switchover) that's to blame, but ofcom could have sold off the 2600MHz spectrum some time ago, and then done the 800MHz auctions after DSO. This is the way that France chose to run its auctions. If ofcom had done this then we could have had 4G 12-18 months ago, and we could not have ended up with half-way-house 1800MHz LTE from the likes of EE.
Anyway to answer your question, if you get any of EE's current phones: iPhone5, SGS3, Lumnia 920, (and, if they announce it, Note 2 - Korean) etc then these ONLY do 1800MHz LTE EE's 'Interim LTE' (and perhaps 700 and 2100MHz LTE - which are useless in UK). Early next year, EE will start to spread coverage outwith those initial 16 cities, but they will do this using the 800MHz and 2600MHz LTE they won at auction.
That phone you got from them wont work on these post-auction LTE frequencies. You'll likely be on a two year contract, paying dearly for the fact that you adopted LTE early since those that waited would enjoy much better LTE coverage from their later-generation phones. On top of that, your phone, not having the right radio's for UK LTE will be worth sweet FA on ebay!
The operator arguments over the 800 and 2600MHz bands have hardly started yet. If O2/Voda get permission to run LTE on their 900MHz spectrum (and are also allowed to bit on 800MHz), you can bet you house that the operators without 900MHz aint gonna be happy!
What really gets me regarding all the arguments, is that neither O2, vodafone nor (to a lesser extent) orange ever bothered to implement 3G properly. It works in cities, thats about it. Only Three and T-Mobile actually implemented a reasonable 3G network that covered most of the UK.
Personally, I would forget about LTE for 18 months until there is a viable network, and some viable hardware that is actually able to take advantage of all the LTE infrastructure no matter what frequency is happens to run on! I certainly would not be signing up with EE (or three if they do 1800MHz LTE) for 2 years, just to be the first - as there's good potential to get caught out 9-12 months down the line.
For the operators, there are other issues at 800MHz. Folk living close to base stations are likely to loose the freeview muxes that are sat in the low 800MHz. In simple cases, this is fixed by a filter, in other cases, it will require a new roof antenna, while for some other folks, it will require a switch from freeview-freesat. One of the conditions attached to the 800MHz spectrum is that the mobile operator needs to fix-up the TV signal's for any customer that is likely to be effected. This will also reduce the radiation patterns, and thus range of the base stations in certain directions. Ofcom will only allow switch-on of the BS once the MO has fixed up all potential TV reception issues. Its going to cost them a fortune!
NB: What what I have seen thus far, Galaxy S3 and Note 2 don't do 1800,800 & 2600 in the same device. BUT Nokia Lumnia 920 does.
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veletron said:
NB: What what I have seen thus far, Galaxy S3 and Note 2 don't do 1800,800 & 2600 in the same device. BUT Nokia Lumnia 920 does.
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I didn't realise just how many Note II variations have been / are being released!
GT-N7105
LTE2600 (B7), LTE800 (B20)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3807&c=samsung_gt-n7105_galaxy_note_ii_lte_32gb
SGH-i317
LTE700 (B17), LTE1700/2100 (B4)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3826&view=1&c=samsung_sgh-i317_galaxy_note_ii_lte
SHV-E250S
LTE850 (B5)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3851&view=1&c=samsung_shv-e250s_galaxy_note_ii_lte
SPH-L900 (CDMA)
LTE1900 (B2), LTE1900 (B25)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3832&c=samsung_sph-l900_galaxy_note_ii_lte
SCH-R950 (CDMA)
LTE850 (B5), LTE1700/2100 (B4), LTE1900 (B2), LTE700 (B12)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3877&c=samsung_sch-r950_galaxy_note_ii_lte
Reading the following suggests that the Korean version (N7105?) supports all three networks - SKT, KT and LG U+:
http://sammyhub.com/2012/09/26/samsung-announces-galaxy-note-ii-for-south-korea/
... and, according to the following article, the only frequency supported by KT is 1800Mhz:
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/08/15...e-for-8001800-mhz-lte-service-on-next-iphone/
This would suggest that the Note 2 for Korea supports 800, 1800 & 2600Mhz.

Korean versions:
SK's SHV-E250S Supports Band 3 and 5
KT's SHV-E250K Supports Band 3 and 8
LG's SHV-E250U Supports Band 1 and 5

So basically if I'm on ATT here in the states with my Note 1, I should cool my jets and wait for the official US ATT version comes out instead of jumping the gun and getting an international version. Am I correct?

This GT-N7105 sold on NegriElectronics details these LTE bands:
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4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100

Unfortunately, I think Negri Electronics is misinformed over the specs of the N7105. Although they list the necessary LTE bands for AT&T, I believe that may be incorrect. According to Android Authority and the FCC, the N7105 does not support USA/Canada LTE bands sadly... I hope we're all proven wrong soon though!
Alternatively, assuming all other features and hardware of the AT&T/Rogers Note II are exactly the same as the international N7105, then it's likely possible that we can simply flash N7105 firmware out of the box, but continue to use the modem.bin from the carrier firmware for continued LTE functionality. That's what I did with my OG AT&T branded Galaxy Tab, and it worked brilliantly!
So, to recap:
1. Int'l N7105 is likely NOT North American LTE friendly :'(
2. North American carrier branded GSM/LTE Note 2's will likely have 99.9% identical hardware to Int'l N7105 (the .1% difference being the tweaked LTE radio and modem.bin driver file)
3. Possible workaround for North American users would be to get GSM carrier Note 2, retain modem.bin from carrier firmware, flash Int'l N7105 firmware, flash carrier modem.bin, and viola! North American LTE friendly Int'l Note 2!

Hmmm, I may have to contact them for clarification and cancel my order if that's the case.
Will update when I get feedback from them.
Edit: Talked with a Negri CS rep, and he suggested I cancel my pre-order and wait until they receive units to verify compatibility. That's what I have just done.

Engadget have a review up with the lte bands and model numbers. BUT
they don't list the 7105 as having band 1800 which is EEs network yet EE are set to sell the lte variant next week. :-/
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EE's LTE Variant
T-Mobile UK called me yesterday to confirm that they've received stock of the Note 2 LTE. I received a text to confirm that one of these is scheduled for delivery to my home within the next four hours (by midday UK time). Once it arrives, hopefully I can tell you exactly which bands in addition to band 3 (if any) are supported.

[Q] Korean version of LG2 with a microSD dose work in europe and Gulf countries?

hi
if i order the Korean version of LG2 with a microSD slot dose it work in europe and Gulf countries?
dose it have same camera effect? i mean the camera quality are same as non korea vertions?
thankx

shajar said:
hi
if i order the Korean version of LG2 with a microSD slot dose it work in europe and Gulf countries?
dose it have same camera effect? i mean the camera quality are same as non korea vertions?
thankx
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Yes.
Yes, and Yes

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the_chinaman said:
Yes.
Yes, and Yes
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i call lg here in Qatar they told me it has special frequency and lock only for specially carried and it is not advise to bring here what you think if i find unlocked i mean carrier free is it going to be match with European carrier and middle east carrier

What do you mean with "will work".
Depending on the Korean variant and the europe country you are asking for the LTE may not work. 3GM works for most countries. I'm not sure if all countries. 2G works in all countries.

Phoost said:
What do you mean with "will work".
Depending on the Korean variant and the europe country you are asking for the LTE may not work. 3GM works for most countries. I'm not sure if all countries. 2G works in all countries.
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hi i mean if i use Qatar Vodafon or in Europe T-Mobile, dose the korean vertion accept my SIM ?
can i get signal?
what aboth 3g?4g?
thank

You need to know what LTE bands your country providers are using.And choose the corrent korean model for you.If you know the LTE frequencies (bands) then we will be able to help more.

woof123 said:
You need to know what LTE bands your country providers are using.And choose the corrent korean model for you.If you know the LTE frequencies (bands) then we will be able to help more.
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due to this site:
http://ltemaps.org/home/
Hungary-Budapest
Operator/Network Name Deployment Status LTE Band
Vodafone Hungary Planned 2013
Telenor Hungary In Service Jul 2012 LTE-1800
T-Mobile Hungary In Service Jan 2012 LTE-1800
Qatar
Operator/Network Name Deployment Status LTE Band
Ooredoo (Qatar Telecom) In Service April 2013
Vodafone Planned 2013 LTE-850

The F320s model has the bands you want 850,1800.

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The F320s model has the bands you want 850,1800.
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Regarding this site http://www.gsmarena.com/network-bands.php3?sCountry=HUNGARY and this site
http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
we have this bands in Hungary and in Qatar
HUNGARY
2G capabilities
GSM 900, GSM 1800
3G capabilities
UMTS 2100
4G capabilities
LTE 1800
and in Qatar
Oooredi :
GSM-900/1800 (GPRS)
2100 MHz UMTS, HSPA
800/2600 MHz LTE
Vodafone:
GSM-900/1800
2100 MHz UMTS
so which Lg g2 version is compatible here?

My friend these band you show me now are different from before....
F320S supports these bands,GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS2100 (B1) LTE2100 (B1), LTE850 (B5), LTE1800 (B3)
F320K supports these bands,GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS2100 (B1) LTE2100 (B1), LTE1800 (B3), LTE900 (B8)
I think that LTE might not be supported from the korean models in your country...

[Q] N910U not working in ATT LTE

Hi Bros,
I got a gift from my Hong Kong friend which is Note 4 but is N910U, which is different from US ATT version N910A.
I check up the LTE band, N910U support the below cellular:
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850 (B5), UMTS900 (B8), UMTS1900 (B2), UMTS2100 (B1), LTE2100 (B1), LTE850 (B5), LTE1700/2100 (B4), LTE1800 (B3), LTE2600 (B7), LTE1900 (B2), LTE900 (B8), LTE700 (B28)
For ATT in my area, LTE mostly are using band 4 and band 17. Sure it should able to using ATT LTE even band 4 is the only band available in N910U.
However, I insert the ATT SIM card, it not going to LTE, mostly the top signal icon only show U+/U, seldom show 4G. Sure never have 4G LTE show up.
I call up ATT customer service and I also provide the IMEI # for them and see they can manual register this IMEI # into their database for LTE support, but they said this IMEI show non LTE support. Even they tell me the APN manual set up, also I x check with my existing unlock Oneplus One, but still cannot switch to 4G LTE band.
I also use LTE Discovery App to confirm my area what is the LTE band, I'm sure when I'm using band 4 on my Oneplus One, this N910U still not connected to band 4, just stay at U/U+ only.
I don't know should I need to talk to a more technical person in ATT? Or this is a business issue that ATT will not support unlock phone from outside even LTE band is matching ATT?
I need some advise from you, my wife love this phone as she are on Note 4 for 2 years and she like to use stylus too.

tkcctkcc said:
Hi Bros,
I got a gift from my Hong Kong friend which is Note 4 but is N910U, which is different from US ATT version N910A.
I check up the LTE band, N910U support the below cellular:
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850 (B5), UMTS900 (B8), UMTS1900 (B2), UMTS2100 (B1), LTE2100 (B1), LTE850 (B5), LTE1700/2100 (B4), LTE1800 (B3), LTE2600 (B7), LTE1900 (B2), LTE900 (B8), LTE700 (B28)
For ATT in my area, LTE mostly are using band 4 and band 17. Sure it should able to using ATT LTE even on band 4 is available in my area.
However, I insert the ATT SIM card, it not going to LTE, mostly the top signal icon only show U+/U, seldom show. Sure never have 4G LTE show up.
I call up ATT customer service and I also provide the IMEI # for them and see they can manual register this IMEI # into their database for LTE support, but they said this IMEI show non LTE support. Even they tell me the APN manual set up, also I x check with my existing unlock Oneplus One, but still cannot switch to 4G LTE band.
I also use LTE Discovery App to confirm my area what is the LTE band, I'm sure when I'm using band 4 on my Oneplus One, this N910U still not connected to band 4, just stay at U/U+ only.
I don't know should I need to talk to a more technical person in ATT? Or this is a business issue that ATT will not support unlock phone from outside even LTE band is matching ATT?
I need some advise from you, my wife love this phone as she are on Note 4 for 2 years and she like to use stylus too.
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The AT&T cell towers does not fully support Intel 7260 modem inside your Galaxy Note 4 device. Most, if not all, devices sold in the US use Qualcomm Gobi modems and Ericsson X modems. The only option I can think of is receiving a new authentication from the cell towers by asking AT&T for a new SIM card.

tkcctkcc said:
Hi Bros,
I got a gift from my Hong Kong friend which is Note 4 but is N910U, which is different from US ATT version N910A.
I check up the LTE band, N910U support the below cellular:
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850 (B5), UMTS900 (B8), UMTS1900 (B2), UMTS2100 (B1), LTE2100 (B1), LTE850 (B5), LTE1700/2100 (B4), LTE1800 (B3), LTE2600 (B7), LTE1900 (B2), LTE900 (B8), LTE700 (B28)
For ATT in my area, LTE mostly are using band 4 and band 17. Sure it should able to using ATT LTE even band 4 is the only band available in N910U.
However, I insert the ATT SIM card, it not going to LTE, mostly the top signal icon only show U+/U, seldom show 4G. Sure never have 4G LTE show up.
I call up ATT customer service and I also provide the IMEI # for them and see they can manual register this IMEI # into their database for LTE support, but they said this IMEI show non LTE support. Even they tell me the APN manual set up, also I x check with my existing unlock Oneplus One, but still cannot switch to 4G LTE band.
I also use LTE Discovery App to confirm my area what is the LTE band, I'm sure when I'm using band 4 on my Oneplus One, this N910U still not connected to band 4, just stay at U/U+ only.
I don't know should I need to talk to a more technical person in ATT? Or this is a business issue that ATT will not support unlock phone from outside even LTE band is matching ATT?
I need some advise from you, my wife love this phone as she are on Note 4 for 2 years and she like to use stylus too.
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I don't know where you got your info but I am sure it is wrong. According to Samsung on this site http://www.samsung.com/nz/consumer/mobile-phone/smartphone/smartphone/SM-N910UZWENZC
it does not support AT&T's LTE bands.

tkmobilesupport said:
The AT&T cell towers does not fully support Intel 7260 modem inside your Galaxy Note 4 device. Most, if not all, devices sold in the US use Qualcomm Gobi modems and Ericsson X modems. The only option I can think of is receiving a new authentication from the cell towers by asking AT&T for a new SIM card.
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So it is not related to N910U using Samsung Exynos 5 Octa 5433? Is the modem itself? Or Exynos 5 Octa 5433 embedded the 7260 modem which is not support by ATT cell towers?
Let me go ATT shop to get a replacement SIM and see how it work or not. Thanks.
PS: I try to search the detail spec for N910U, it never point out using Intel 7260 modem, how to know the phone using the exact modem? So in future can understand more before getting new unlock phone. Thanks.

CodeNameRedNeck said:
I don't know where you got your info but I am sure it is wrong. According to Samsung on this site http://www.samsung.com/nz/consumer/mobile-phone/smartphone/smartphone/SM-N910UZWENZC
it does not support AT&T's LTE bands.
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Hi,
The link you post here is not Hong Kong, pls see the below official Samsung HK:
http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/consumer/mobile/galaxy-note/galaxy-note/SM-N910UZWETGY
4G FDD LTE: B1(2100), B2(1900), B3(1800), B4(AWS), B5(850), B7(2600), B8(900), B28(700)
So it absolutely support LTE band from ATT
another 3rd parties link:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&...g_sm-n910u_galaxy_note_4_lte-a_samsung_muscat

The issue is not from the exynos chipset, but the modem itself. I can assure you that SM-N910U comes with Intel 7260 LTE modem because I've been working with Samsung Software Engineers to develop kernels and drivers for this modem.
To clarify... AT&T engineers has programmed the towers in a way that make the towers reject certain modems because they cannot guarantee the compatiblity. What they are trying to do is to make you use a more stable HSPA+ connection rather than LTE connection that has issues with the modem because in the long run, AT&T will have to give you credit for service disruptions and they are not willing to do that.

tkmobilesupport said:
The issue is not from the exynos chipset, but the modem itself. I can assure you that SM-N910U comes with Intel 7260 LTE modem because I've been working with Samsung Software Engineers to develop kernels and drivers for this modem.
To clarify... AT&T engineers has programmed the towers in a way that make the towers reject certain modems because they cannot guarantee the compatiblity. What they are trying to do is to make you use a more stable HSPA+ connection rather than LTE connection that has issues with the modem because in the long run, AT&T will have to give you credit for service disruptions and they are not willing to do that.
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Thanks bros. So just a only customer (or few more) using N910U, ATT engineering team will not change their policy to accept other modems or work out some software upgrade program to accept other modem with 100% compatibility. So bad then.

tkmobilesupport said:
The issue is not from the exynos chipset, but the modem itself. I can assure you that SM-N910U comes with Intel 7260 LTE modem because I've been working with Samsung Software Engineers to develop kernels and drivers for this modem.
To clarify... AT&T engineers has programmed the towers in a way that make the towers reject certain modems because they cannot guarantee the compatiblity. What they are trying to do is to make you use a more stable HSPA+ connection rather than LTE connection that has issues with the modem because in the long run, AT&T will have to give you credit for service disruptions and they are not willing to do that.
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1 more, I search multiple tear down webpage, sure not yet find any one tear down N910U, but find a name Qualcomm MDM9225M, is this the one you talk about the modem?
PS: I search it, it is belong to Qualcomm Gobi modem chipsets. So if not using Qualcomm 805 as processor, that means they are not using Qualcomm chipset for thin modem and so ATT not going to support. Qualcomm dominate the US market then. Too bad.

tkcctkcc said:
Thanks bros. So just a only customer (or few more) using N910U, ATT engineering team will not change their policy to accept other modems or work out some software upgrade program to accept other modem with 100% compatibility. So bad then.
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No they will not. Unfortunately, that's how carriers in the U.S. do their jobs.
-->About the modem: If you are not using a Qualcomm Snapdragon 805, your device comes with either Intel 7260, Ericsson, or Samsung 300 modems. SM-N910U uses Intel.

Hi Bros,
As coming Galaxy S6 not using Snapdragon 810, but using Exynos 7420, so the modems also not using Qualcomm,. Do you know S6 using what modem? If S6 using Intel modem or other like what you said Ericsson, or Samsung 300 modems, ATT should change their software to support non Qualcomm modem, which means my N910U may able to use ATT 4G LTE support? Can you advise?

Based on my reading for months on here. N910C seems to be the only variant with exynos and supports AT&T LTE.
I bought mine about 2 weeks ago and so far I get LTE in most places.

Redmi 3S - Global version vs Chinise

I have a question about hardware difference between Xiaomi Redmi 3S China version and the Global one.
I thought that the only difference is the EU-plug, but I noticed this item on aliexpress with LTE B20 (800MHz) support.
I asked the seller about it and the seller insists that all of that is true.
Can someone confirm or deny this situation?

zBear said:
I have a question about hardware difference between Xiaomi Redmi 3S China version and the Global one.
I thought that the only difference is the EU-plug, but I noticed this item on aliexpress with LTE B20 (800MHz) support.
I asked the seller about it and the seller insists that all of that is true.
Can someone confirm or deny this situation?
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i don't think that there is any hardware difference
it's one device
the one with global rom , i guess it has the adapter , google services (and play) and some chinese apps removed
if you see here (with google translate)
http://www.mi.com/hk/redmi3s/specs/
you see this table
4G FDD B1/3/4/5/7/8/20
4G TDD B41
3G WCDMA B 1/2/5/8
2G GSM
B 2/3/5/8

kodorevi8ulis said:
if you see here (with google translate)
http://www.mi.com/hk/redmi3s/specs/
you see this table
4G FDD B1/3/4/5/7/8/20
4G TDD B41
3G WCDMA B 1/2/5/8
2G GSM
B 2/3/5/8
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but here you can find another information
4G FDD-LTE B3/B5 TDD-LTE B40
3G WCDMA 900MHz / 2100MHz
2G GSM 900MHz / 1800MHz
you think the software limits the LTE bands?

zBear said:
but here you can find another information
4G FDD-LTE B3/B5 TDD-LTE B40
3G WCDMA 900MHz / 2100MHz
2G GSM 900MHz / 1800MHz
you think the software limits the LTE bands?
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well the only think that i am sure is that as an european is difficult to find the "india" version
(because i know -and can buy from - only chinese stores)
also 2 band for lte is weird so i guess it's just a rom limitation or just incomplete list of specs (because it doesn't matter for India the other bands)
p.s. i don't see roms only for india , i only see china and global roms

Their hardwares should be same.

Charger different
China version don't have Google Play service+bandwidth those stuffs should be different?

so... any more infos about the 800MHz FDD-LTE support ?
anyone tried to unlock the bootloader on a chinese version and flashing a xiaomi.eu multilang rom to see if B20/800 is available ?

This is of great interest to me too. I want to buy two Redmi 3s's, but need B20 as well. If it's as easy as flashing the global/international ROM, it would save me lots of $$. Has anyone tried this and succeeded using B20 on a Chinese 3s?

I bought the international version of Redmi 3s, and the B20/800 is working! Also arrived with official global ROM

Aleks93ts said:
I bought the international version of Redmi 3s, and the B20/800 is working! Also arrived with official global ROM
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of course it works, that's the point of the international version

No it's impossible to enable. The only way is to buy the int. version

If anyone is still interested, I found 3 models of R3S
1. 2016030
Chinese version . Chinese factory ROM, manuals, box and plug.
Most common version on aliexpress.
2016030 frequencies
GSM 850, GSM 900, GSM 1800, GSM1900
UMTS 2100 (B1), UMTS 1900 (B2), UMTS 850 (B5), UMTS 900 (B8)
TD-SCDMA TD-SCDMA 2000 (B34), TD-SCDMA 1900 (B39)
FDD-LTE 2100 (B1), FDD-LTE 1800 (B3), FDD-LTE 2600 (B7)
TD-LTE 2600 (B38), TD-LTE 1900 (B39), TD-LTE 2300 (B40), TD-LTE 2500 (B41)
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2. 2016031
International version with factory global ROM, english manual, box and EU plug
2016031 frequencies
GSM 850, GSM 900, GSM 1800, GSM 1900
UMTS 2100 (B1), UMTS 1900 (B2), UMTS 850 (B5), UMTS 900 (B8)
FDD-LTE 2100 (B1), FDD-LTE 1800 (B3), FDD-LTE 1700/2100 (B4), FDD-LTE 850 (B5), FDD-LTE 2600 (B7), FDD-LTE 900 (B8), FDD-LTE 800 (B20)
TD-LTE 2500 (B41)
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3. 2016032
Indian version.
2016032 frequencies
GSM 900, GSM 1800
UMTS 2100 (B1), UMTS 900 (B8)
FDD-LTE 1800 (B3), FDD-LTE 850 (B5)
TD-LTE 2300 (B40)
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Hi
Thanks for the listing of the models.
How do I know which model I have?
Model 2016030: Critical bands missing: FDD-LTE 900 (B8), FDD-LTE 800 (B20)
Model 2016031: No missing bands
Model 2016032: Critical bands missing: UMTS 850 (B5), LTE 900 (B8), 800 (B20)
Redmi 3S Gold
Android 6.0.1 MMB29M
MIUI Global 8.1.1.0
RAM 3GB
MEM 32 GB
Baseband ENNS_PACK-1.69259.1.69863.2-V036
Kernel 3.18.20-ge45c102

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How do I know which model I have?
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No. There's should not be and hardware differences until it comes to Mobile Broadband frequencies, but i think this is software dependent. As you flash Global or Chinese you choose frequencies probably. I use Global Stable with Root and some tools and it's just fine.

JakeCherry97 said:
As you flash Global or Chinese you choose frequencies probably
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no, it's not working this way
I've seen some development attempts regarding enabling missing channels, but with no success

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Thank you!
So I have 2016031. If the information I provided above is correct, that means I have all necessary bands for Europe.
The problem is I found different information here:
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Xiaomi: https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/redmi-3s-with-lte-b20-800mhz.33957/
2016030 is 32gb version
2016031 is 16gb version
Both without b20
https://www.frequencycheck.com/mode...i-3s-4g-redmi-3s-dual-sim-td-lte-32gb-2016030
https://www.frequencycheck.com/mode...i-3s-4g-redmi-3s-dual-sim-td-lte-16gb-2016031
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2016031 is 16gb version THIS IS STRANGE RIGHT, I HAVE 32GB VERSION and it is model 2016031
What is correct?
I have model 2016031 with 32Gb - do I have LTE B20 (800) and LTE B8 (900) or not?
I hope someone knows?

Rrrr said:
I have model 2016031 with 32Gb - do I have LTE B20 (800) and LTE B8 (900) or not?
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Yes, you do.
I have the same model and ROM capacity.
Look at my october post, you can find there links to official Xiaomi pages with the band availability information.
There is no information about model numbers there, but it was confirmed by many users.

Thank you for your help!
I see indeed all the bands under specifications.
I am very happy.

Project to buy an unlocked Z Force for France

Hi !
I am on free mobile French Operator, I read this:
https://www.frequencycheck.com/carr...QTjD/motorola-moto-z-force-td-lte/free-france
It seems that it would worked with free mobile.
I found this:
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Motorola-Mot...hash=item3f772e5650:m:moWTsoHkQzRtFhjmd3HjpXg
What will be the probably annoyances after buy this phone for France? Update problems? Software problems? Sim card problem ? Any?
Thank in advance for replies and advice
edit:
link for free mobile compatibily

I bought one for me in Canada and everything works fine even if your website tell that it ain't supposed to
Good luck for yours

bob_the_vampire said:
I bought one for me in Canada and everything works fine even if your website tell that it ain't supposed to
Good luck for yours
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Thanks for your reply, I suppose and I hope it will work for me too..
Do you receive OTA updates normally?

Yes, even after a month of test I didn't find anything causing problem
The only thing I had to change is the SMS/MMS app because the stock one don't work on standard MMS network

Very good news ! I use mood for sms/mms so not a problem for me.. I will probably buy this phone in few days.
Thank you again for your quick replies ?

Im in Uk and all works fine. No problems at all and dont need to change mms/sms app. Only one thing Im missing is wifi call. I cant enable it because option is not available in menu with UK sim.
Sent from my XT1650 using XDA-Developers Legacy app

Thanks for the reply
I receive mine soon

Canada as mentionned works fine... The only issue I see with France is LTE bands. Are yours supported? Check the LTE bands with your operator and what the Z-Force supports, otherwise you might be stuck with 3G only (Which has all bands)

karendar said:
Canada as mentionned works fine... The only issue I see with France is LTE bands. Are yours supported? Check the LTE bands with your operator and what the Z-Force supports, otherwise you might be stuck with 3G only (Which has all bands)
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My operator supports lte 2600 and soon 700 MHz (2018), I have read that all bands was supported by the "unlocked" verizon phone, am I wrong?
What I saw, unlocked=global?
Technology: GSM / CDMA / HSPA / EVDO / LTE
2G bands: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - SIM 1 & SIM 2 (dual-SIM model only)
CDMA 800 / 1900 - USA
3G bands HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 - USA
CDMA2000 1xEV-DO - USA
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - Global
4G bands LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 13(700) - USA
LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 12(700), 17(700), 19(800), 20(800), 25(1900), 28(700), 38(2600), 40(2300), 41(2500) - Global
Speed HSPA 42.2/5.76 Mbps, LTE-A (3CA) Cat9 450/50 Mbps, EV-DO Rev.A 3.1 Mbps - USA
HSPA 42.2/5.76 Mbps, LTE-A (2CA) Cat6 300/50 Mbps - Global

fabjazz said:
My operator supports lte 2600 and soon 700 MHz (2018), I have read that all bands was supported by the "unlocked" verizon phone, am I wrong?
What I saw, unlocked=global?
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Z-Force droid is a verizon branded and exclusive phone... Was never released anywhere else from what I was told, so you'll have USA bands. You're supported for LTE, as B7 (2600) and B13 (700) tough. The Global version of the Moto Z (Non-Droid) would have global bands.
Verizon screwed people and moto over badly by making this phone an exclusive. Moto Z Force should have been the flagship Moto, not the Moto Z or the Z play...
Reference post from Lenovo forums: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-Z-Force/Moto-Z-Force-global-release/td-p/3430067

karendar said:
Z-Force droid is a verizon branded and exclusive phone... Was never released anywhere else from what I was told, so you'll have USA bands. You're supported for LTE, as B7 (2600) and B13 (700) is supported. The Global version of the Moto Z (Non-Droid) would have global bands.
Verizon screwed people and moto over badly by making this phone an exclusive. Moto Z Force should have been the flagship Moto, not the Moto Z or the Z play...
Reference post from Lenovo forums: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-Z-Force/Moto-Z-Force-global-release/td-p/3430067
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So I am glad to hear that the French operator "free mobile" is totally compatible with unlocked verizon USA bands, and it will good to know it for future smartphone bought in USA, because it's a good deal (at least 100€ off with Europe, z force at the price of z play...) to buy flagship in USA

Just so you know, if you want to get a replacement shattershield, you'll have to order it from Moto and have to have a US shipping address... I can't get one shipped to Canada, sadly.

karendar said:
Just so you know, if you want to get a replacement shattershield, you'll have to order it from Moto and have to have a US shipping address... I can't get one shipped to Canada, sadly.
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Somebody in moto z forum has given a good way with a web site: :good:
https://www.shipito.com/fr/?countrycode=CA

fabjazz said:
Somebody in moto z forum has given a good way with a web site: :good:
https://www.shipito.com/fr/?countrycode=CA
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Yeah, I know shipito, I've supplied it to a few people in the forums Only issue is it becomes expensive for a 30$ screen replacement. I have friends in the US who can forward the package to me... So that'll be sufficient I think! Thanks though

karendar said:
Yeah, I know shipito, I've supplied it to a few people in the forums Only issue is it becomes expensive for a 30$ screen replacement. I have friends in the US who can forward the package to me... So that'll be sufficient I think! Thanks though
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too late for me, I discovered that after bought the phone and accessories , it will be good for next time....

After reading some forum in France, there are a lot of Bxx with 700Mhz support in the world.
For France, LTE/4G is B3, B7, B20 and B28 so it will miss 700Mhz and 800Mhz with a verizon phone.
carriers support LTE/4G, B28 begin in 2018:
Bouygues Telecom: B3 B7 B20
Orange: B7 B20
Free mobile: B7 B3
SFR: B7 B20
For the rest 2G and 3G(+) are fully compatible.
B1 - 2100Mhz
B2 - (1900 PCS)
B3 - (1800 + )
B4 - (1700/2100 AWS 1)
B5 - 850Mhz
B6 - ???
B7 - 2600 Mhz
B8 - 900 Mhz
B9 - 1800 Mhz
B11 - 1500 Lower
B12 700 ac
B13 - 700 c
B17 - 700 bc
B18 - (800 Lower)
B19 - (800 Upper)
B20 - (800 DD)
B21 - (1500 Upper)
B25 - (1900 +)
B26 - (850 +)
B28 - 700 APT
B30 - 2300 WCS
B38 (TD 2600)
B39 - TD 1900+
B40 - TD 2300
B41 - TD 2500