Amazfit Watch - first impression. - Other SmartWatches

Hi All,
Since yesterday I own Huami Amazfit Watch - Chinese version.
I decided to share my first impression.
Apart of the fact the watch looks very nice in this message I will talk mainly about the problems I have faced.
I hope some of those are just related with my limited knowledge not due to watch limitations:
Software I am using:
Amazfit Watch Firmware - 1.2.5a (with setprop persist.sys.language en applied)
Amazfit_china Watch 1.2.0
Mifit_china 2.2.10
Amazfit_china (Midong ) - 1.4.6.0141 - i am not really using this yet
Initially I had some syncing issue but now I can sync my training sessions to Mifit
Issues:
1. I have done one "trail running session" and this can not be synced to Mifit. Running sessions are synced OK.
2. Major issue. The GPS track is way inaccurate (around 50-100m around the exact track).
In addition the GPS need really clean view of the sky to sync.
If no way GPS accuracy be improved I am afraid this will render the watch not useful to me.
3. The hart rate sensor was giving me occasionally some out-layer points like rate 240.
Apart of this it seems to work fine. I got steady heart rate about 190 on an ascent which I think is too high but as I don't have other reference I will assume it is accurate for now. The hart rate plot seems to match the route difficulty sections.
4. In Mifit the Pace plot needs improvement. I have started the session and I started running 1 minute later. It put a very slow initial pace on this plot (30min/km) and this ruined the dynamic range of whole plot and render it to useless. I guess some issue with auto pause/start?
5. Altitude plot in Mifit is empty. I guess this information could be taken from GPS or even from GPS+google map but they don't do it.
6. Was not able to pair my Bluetooth head set to the watch. Anyone successful on this?
7. Watch tried downloading some FM songs from the WiFi. Speed to Chinese server was very small.
If I connect the watch to my PC using USB I see "Amazfit Sports Watch" drive but I can not copy anything there (Windows 10 on the PC). How it is supposed to put music on the watch?
OK let me stop with the issues list for now
In general the watch seems to be built nice and solid and if above are fixed or I find a solution I think this will become a very useful watch.
Thanks
Dimitar

dpenevdpenev said:
Hi All,
Since yesterday I own Huami Amazfit Watch - Chinese version.
I decided to share my first impression.
Apart of the fact the watch looks very nice in this message I will talk mainly about the problems I have faced.
I hope some of those are just related with my limited knowledge not due to watch limitations:
Software I am using:
Amazfit Watch Firmware - 1.2.5a (with setprop persist.sys.language en applied)
Amazfit_china Watch 1.2.0
Mifit_china 2.2.10
Amazfit_china (Midong ) - 1.4.6.0141 - i am not really using this yet
Initially I had some syncing issue but now I can sync my training sessions to Mifit
Issues:
1. I have done one "trail running session" and this can not be synced to Mifit. Running sessions are synced OK.
2. Major issue. The GPS track is way inaccurate (around 50-100m around the exact track).
In addition the GPS need really clean view of the sky to sync.
If no way GPS accuracy be improved I am afraid this will render the watch not useful to me.
3. The hart rate sensor was giving me occasionally some out-layer points like rate 240.
Apart of this it seems to work fine. I got steady heart rate about 190 on an ascent which I think is too high but as I don't have other reference I will assume it is accurate for now. The hart rate plot seems to match the route difficulty sections.
4. In Mifit the Pace plot needs improvement. I have started the session and I started running 1 minute later. It put a very slow initial pace on this plot (30min/km) and this ruined the dynamic range of whole plot and render it to useless. I guess some issue with auto pause/start?
5. Altitude plot in Mifit is empty. I guess this information could be taken from GPS or even from GPS+google map but they don't do it.
6. Was not able to pair my Bluetooth head set to the watch. Anyone successful on this?
7. Watch tried downloading some FM songs from the WiFi. Speed to Chinese server was very small.
If I connect the watch to my PC using USB I see "Amazfit Sports Watch" drive but I can not copy anything there (Windows 10 on the PC). How it is supposed to put music on the watch?
OK let me stop with the issues list for now
In general the watch seems to be built nice and solid and if above are fixed or I find a solution I think this will become a very useful watch.
Thanks
Dimitar
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Nice.
I have the USA version, and the GPS is at least as accurate, as my Polar M400's: I have tested with both watches on my wrists, and the Amazfit was dead on accurate.
Maybe the A1612 has different GPS firmware than the Chinese A1602 - I don't think the hardware is different, but there were experiences in the past with Chinese watches in Europe, and the GPS reception was kinda weak or it was inaccurate. Xiaomi wants you to buy the same watch with a different firmware, because they want to use the Chinese people as "guinea pigs", that's why there are weekly updates - they could mess up things completely, and they think the Chinese people are more forgiving.
I almost never run, but I walk a lot (like 70 km/week), and the logged heartrates and altitudes seem to be legit, never had gaps or abnormal values - maybe I'm just lucky. If you're having abnormal heartrate readings, you should tighten the strap, up to the point of almost uncomfortable.
I walk a lot in the town, between buildings, under arcades, and the GPS reception is always good, sometimes even in buildings.
As I have the USA version, the only available option for me is the Amazfit Watch app, I don't know about Mifit, but I bet it's a lot better. I can upload my training sessions to Strava, and that's sufficient for me. (And Strava can relay the sessions to Google Fit.)
Just tried to connect my JBL GO, it connected within seconds, and the connection was uninterrupted.
Maybe you have a faulty watch, but so far so good here - I like my Amazfit Pace a lot more than I liked my Polar M400, and this watch has a lot of potential with future updates.

Hi 5tormChild,
Good to know that the hardware of the watch in general is OK.
It actually should as I've read it is based on Sony CXD5600GF which is a new generation GPS SoC.
By dead on accurate you mean your track was not deviating more than 10m from the actual track, correct?
While you were tracking did you have a smart phone with you? Was it paired with the Watch?
What I want to assess is the GPS accuracy without any assistance from a smart phone as usually you don't bring your phone while running.
Anyone in Europe with the latest Chinese firmware to comment about the GPS accuracy of Amazfit Watch?
If the US firmware is better I think I can easily switch based on the work done in this forum.
Thanks.

dpenevdpenev said:
Hi 5tormChild,
Good to know that the hardware of the watch in general is OK.
It actually should as I've read it is based on Sony CXD5600GF which is a new generation GPS SoC.
By dead on accurate you mean your track was not deviating more than 10m from the actual track, correct?
While you were tracking did you have a smart phone with you? Was it paired with the Watch?
What I want to assess is the GPS accuracy without any assistance from a smart phone as usually you don't bring your phone while running.
Anyone in Europe with the latest Chinese firmware to comment about the GPS accuracy of Amazfit Watch?
If the US firmware is better I think I can easily switch based on the work done in this forum.
Thanks.
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Hello,
by "dead on accurate" I mean the route is almost perfectly matches the road on the map, and the max deviation I experienced was like 5 meters, and the total distance seems legit all the time - and I walked over 130 kilometers since I own this watch.
I don't need the notifications feature, so the bluetooth is always disabled on my phone, which means they are disconnected, but I sync the A-GPS data each day. Of course my watch is paired with my smartphone (Samsung Galaxy Note 4 - N910C), that was the first step. So my phone is always with me, but the bluetooth is always off.
I have the original 1.3.0n firmware in the original Amazfit Pace USA version, and although it lacks metric support, which is kind of annoying, but you can calculate the distance by multiplying the miles by 1.6 to get the value in kilometers, so that's not that difficult. I had one time, when 7% charge was depleted during a night's sleep, but that was after like 10 days of constant usage - maybe it's worth to restart the watch after each week.
Maybe I'm just lucky, but I'm very happy with this watch - I have a Polar M400, and it's easier to use because of the physical buttons, but the Amazfit has a better-to-look-at display, a superior battery life.
I hope in a few days we'll get a massive firmware update to keep the USA FW up to date with the Chinese FW, plus proper metric support, which is selectable, not stone carved, and I hope the new FW won't deplete the battery faster - it's very important for me. (A 10 km walk means 7% on Amazfit Pace, and over 25-30% on the Polar M400.)
Have a nice day!
Regards,
StormChild

I used the chinese firmware of the watch until yesterday and I can confirm that it is not accurate and stable at all. It has a lot GPS-signal hickups while running in Germany. The Strava export of sessions is even worse, where the service even thinks I am running through water and some parts of the runs are completely missing. I have now installed the us -version of the firmware, just to compare the GPS-signal between those firmwares. I also have the Polar M400, which has no GPS-signal problems at all for the same route.
Chinese firmware 1.2.5f
Amazfit Watch 1.1.7.1 from Playstore

flintzen_123 said:
I used the chinese firmware of the watch until yesterday and I can confirm that it is not accurate and stable at all. It has a lot GPS-signal hickups while running in Germany. The Strava export of sessions is even worse, where the service even thinks I am running through water and some parts of the runs are completely missing. I have now installed the us -version of the firmware, just to compare the GPS-signal between those firmwares. I also have the Polar M400, which has no GPS-signal problems at all for the same route.
Chinese firmware 1.2.5f
Amazfit Watch 1.1.7.1 from Playstore
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Hi flintzen_123,
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I did a short run using the latest Chinese 1.2.6a firmware.
It happens that today I have broken my phone so I can not export the data but looking at the plot on the watch itself I think that 1.2.6a has much better GPS accuracy compared to 1.2.5a.
I have run only 1.6km so the trace on the watch even small is still pretty representative.
Tomorrow I will run in the open area about 10km so I will have more data which eventually
I will manage to export Tuesday when I hopefully repair my phone.
In this regards I am very interested to hear your results with the US version.
As the GPS is actually based on Sony chip which is doing some sensor fusion (GPS, accelerometer, giro .. etc ) I think our Chinese friends (or Sony) has messed up with the drivers, and the hardware is actually capable.
I hope
Regards
Dimitar

I will run in a couple of minutes and can share my results. On the watch itself the run seems ok, but when you look closely in the Strava, you see that a lot of sections are missing and Strava just not interpolates it while in my opinion the watch itself does.
Update: After the run I can say the american version of the firmware is way better for gps-tracking then the chinese version until 1.2.5. I have to check the new one.

flintzen_123 said:
I will run in a couple of minutes and can share my results. On the watch itself the run seems ok, but when you look closely in the Strava, you see that a lot of sections are missing and Strava just not interpolates it while in my opinion the watch itself does.
Update: After the run I can say the american version of the firmware is way better for gps-tracking then the chinese version until 1.2.5. I have to check the new one.
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Hi flintzen_123,
Good to know, that!
Yes in 1.2.5 GPS is buggy. Try 1.2.6a or better latest 1.2.6b.
I did 10km run (with 1.2.6a) in the mountain today but looking on the watch it is not easy to say something.
The total distance the watch showed is close to what my friends watch showed so it is a good sign.
I hope in two days I will manage to export this session and say more.
Cheers
Dimitar

dpenevdpenev said:
The GPS track is way inaccurate (around 50-100m around the exact track).
In addition the GPS need really clean view of the sky to sync.
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I think the GPS is quite OK it is not perfect like my old Garmin GPSmap 60csx but it is way better than my Huawei P9 lite. Dont forget we are very limited in antenna size and availble power. My main issue is that it takes quite long to get a fix, even after synching the Almanac via the Amazfit app
dpenevdpenev said:
Was not able to pair my Bluetooth head set to the watch. Anyone successful on this?
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I have a BT-receiver that worked with the watch but i had some interruptions. The receiver didn't work to well before either. Waiting for my BT headphones.
dpenevdpenev said:
If I connect the watch to my PC using USB I see "Amazfit Sports Watch" drive but I can not copy anything there (Windows 10 on the PC). How it is supposed to put music on the watch?
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I connected the watch to Ubuntu 16.04 and have seen the following issue:
The watch identifies to the OS as a camera so my photo application (Shotwell) lists it for importing pictures which makes no sense as the watch can't take any pictures.
My music application (Rhythmbox) does not list the watch so i can not sync my music to it. Even putting an empty file named ".is_audio_player" which marks the drive as a music device for Linux shows no success. But that's quite sure because of the photo mode.
But the watch is automatically mounted as a drive so i can simply copy and paste music to it. (sync with Rhythmbox would be more elegant though)
dpenevdpenev said:
In general the watch seems to be built nice and solid and if above are fixed or I find a solution I think this will become a very useful watch.
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Excellent hardware but the software, all above the sync and data export has to get a lot more attention from Xiaomi.

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I would have brought snorkeling equipment when I would have known this in advance

flintzen_123 said:
I would have brought snorkeling equipment when I would have known this in advance
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Hi flintzen_123,
Which firmware version is this?
If you have to say what is the average deviation from your actual route in meters? Apart of the fact it lost the satellites at one point.
Beleriand, I have a USB port on my laptop which can deliver more current.
Due to some reason the watch doesn't enumerate as storage there but if I use another USB port all is fine and I can copy songs into the watch.
Best regards
Dimitar

dpenevdpenev said:
Hi flintzen_123,
Which firmware version is this?
If you have to say what is the average deviation from your actual route in meters? Apart of the fact it lost the satellites at one point.
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I think it was 1.2.4f. I had one run where the difference was almost 10% (over 2 km missing). The Strava output shows it accordingly.

dpenevdpenev said:
if I use another USB port all is fine and I can copy songs into the watch.
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Great. The strange behavoiur to connect the watch as a camera should be changed by xiaomi anyway.
flintzen_123 said:
I think it was 1.2.4f.
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Okay, i started with 1.2.5a and it looked ok. Your tracklog is unusable.

Beleriand said:
Great. The strange behavoiur to connect the watch as a camera should be changed by xiaomi anyway.
Okay, i started with 1.2.5a and it looked ok. Your tracklog is unusable.
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Hi Gents,
You make me confused
As per my knowledge the GPS in the following versions is:
US firmware - kind of OK, based on what other people reported
1.2.4x - Not OK, based on what other people reported
1.2.5a - Not OK, at least for me (~ 100m deviation from the exact track )
1.2.6a - As per my running session this seems much better (at least compared to 1.2.5a).
1.2.6b - As per my running session this seems much better (at least compared to 1.2.5a). Probably on par with 1.2.6a
Would you agree with this summary?
Thanks
Dimitar

dpenevdpenev said:
You make me confused
1.2.5a - Not OK, at least for me
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Well i did not go into detail with the GPS logs but i didn't have massive problems either with mine.

Beleriand said:
Well i did not go into detail with the GPS logs but i didn't have massive problems either with mine.
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Hi Beleriand,
So you say you have done some training/walking with 1.2.5a, you synced the track on a phone overlaying a map and the track looked kind of OK to you (within 10 meters let say) ?
My bad experience with 1.2.5a was in an open area, far from buildings so I think good conditions for GPS. So strange ...
Regards
Dimitar

dpenevdpenev said:
Hi Beleriand,
So you say you have done some training/walking with 1.2.5a, you synced the track on a phone overlaying a map and the track looked kind of OK to you (within 10 meters let say) ?
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As i can't get a GPX at the moment i opened the Tracks in Mi Fit app and they looked quite good on the Google Map.
Some slightly rounded sharp corners and on closer look one situation where it was a bit off ~ 20m but that was between some buildings in town.
If it had a GPX and could use it on QMapShack i could have a closer look and compare it with existing tracklogs of other devices.
But nothing like 100m off. I had that with a Garmin device several times.

1.2.5a was my last chinese firmware, GPS tracking was not good for me. Sometimes I was running around a stadium and the watch did not track it. My Polar M400 had no tracking problems at all and this is the entry model of GPS tracking sport watches.

flintzen_123 said:
My Polar M400 had no tracking problems at all and this is the entry model of GPS tracking sport watches.
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It does not depend on the price. It either works or it doesn't. I had a 50€ phone from Doogee that had decent GPS and my 250€ Huawei sucks.

Another test with the 1.2.6b firmware. Same results for me as with the 1.2.5a. everything looks good, a few rounded corners and some drifts beneath buildings. Typical for high sensitive receivers that catch up reflections of walls.
The watch measured 7,55 km
When i do a manual measurement in QLandkarte GT the distance is 7,56 km
My Huawei P9lite measured 8,47 km
To me, reception of GPS is good and stable and the filtering is quite good, also.
I think it is equal or better to my Garmin Oregon450. Will take that with me next run for comparison.
So if there is something to complain about it's the GPS of my phone.

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GPS accuracy

I've got problems with the GPS on my Polaris and I'm wondering if anyone else has the same issue: the accuracy is abt 5-15m off and it updates less than 1frame/sec regardless of the gps software I use (tomtom, google maps or garmin xt) My Radio version is 1.64.08.21 Murata and the rom pdaviet v16
Can anyone point me towards a solution for this please? Thanks!
To my knowledge gps is off target for a reason. All comercial versions are innacurate either in time or position so you cannot use it for war or something like it. If the 5 to 15 meter difference is to much I do not know.
pereirald said:
To my knowledge gps is off target for a reason. All comercial versions are innacurate either in time or position so you cannot use it for war or something like it. If the 5 to 15 meter difference is to much I do not know.
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Thanks for your answer pereirald, I knew that commercial GPSs are off so they can't be used for military purposes but the GPS on my Polaris is annoyingly slow. If I compare Garmin mobile XT runnin on my polaris with a friend's Garmin nuvi 760, his is smoother, updates faster and slightly more accurate...so any1 knows whats going on here? Is it only me with this issue or it happens on all HTC phones with Qualcomm chips?
I am on the latest udK rom using radio 1.64.08.21
I can GPS sync inside buildings
Syncs VERY fast
I also find it very accurate and def not 15meters off
Actually I also use Garmin XT and most of the time I can even pinpoint me using "Where am I?" but sometimes it does not give the right door but the neighbours. So I guess there is an up to 5 meter innacuracy. Being slower one should expect: The the chip isnot dedicated is it? It does other stuff while we are trying to use GPS. So you could try to things:
1) Minimal services running and disconnect phone (Airplane mode)
2) I don't know but that is a possibility that you will get different results with different rom. (I think I do, altough I haven't measured it).
Hope it helps
atl4ntys said:
I've got problems with the GPS on my Polaris and I'm wondering if anyone else has the same issue: the accuracy is abt 5-15m off and it updates less than 1frame/sec regardless of the gps software I use (tomtom, google maps or garmin xt) My Radio version is 1.64.08.21 Murata and the rom pdaviet v16
Can anyone point me towards a solution for this please? Thanks!
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The accuracy depends on the number of satelites as well.
I noticed that the GPS chip of the TC is more nervous then a SirfIII chip like the one I had in my MIO A201.
But both the MIO A201 and the TC didn't show a better accuracy then around 10M.
Thanks for your replies guys, I did some testing over the last 2 days and after taking a trip in the middle of the country with the GPS on, I was surprised to see that it fixed itself At home is not showing me 5 doors down the road and in someone's garden anymore and when I walk/run with it, it pinpoints my location within 5m. The smoothness is still not there even if I turn off the music player and any other progs that I had running in the background, but I know thats because of the lack of proper graphic drivers
So in conclusion the accuracy is down to these 3 things:
1.radio flash not os-rom update.
2.number of satellites it connects to.
3.apparently driving around a bit
Cheers!
In case you use google earth, its the program which doesnt update quickly enough. The receiver does...
The receiver has a very irritating 'feature' built in which is very annoying when trying to use your GPS unit while walking: to make car navigation less jerky and stop you from jumping from road to road, the receiver doesnt update the position anymore after you came to a stop (or move slowly, eg: by foot ). It updates again after you covered several meters of ground and keep moving. This might be useful in your car where you can move fast and steadily, it's very very annoying if you try to find something by foot. The 'feature' is hardware-based, by now no one managed to turn it off.
Edit: uuhm... yes, of course the Radio. The Operating System part of the ROM only houses programs and such, the hardware-near stuff like phone functions, bluetooth and wifi and most important the GPS stuff gets updates through the Radio-ROM. I figured this is a widely known fact...

Which GPS software to use

Which version of which GPS software works on the Touch HD ? i used to use the Miomap and IGo8 on the Touch Cruise but cannot get them to work.
Perhaps with a tweak ?
thanks, yves
Just search the forum.
There are threads for iGO8, TomTom and Navigon. All of them work on the HTC Touch HD (with some tweaks).
http://www.66.com/route66/index.php?cid=UK&act=1&prodid=5723 works without tweaks.
iGO works but is not really useable in my opinion
there is no "programm close" button in expert mode, only one in simple mode.
program nearly never really gets closed by command.
voice from the navigation continues in programm-volume-setting, even after you are back in touchFlow and used task manager to stop the program.
it still runs and runs ..
a next problem is the standby mode.
you cant set it up, that while iGO is active, standby wont happen.
at the moment, you start navigation, wait some seconds without doing anything, but listening and the HD drops in standby.
and NO i dont want to set new windows standby settings everytime i want to use a navigation tool :/
I believe you can get them all working with the right tweaks.
I've used TomTom for years, without any problem. Currently using v7.910 on my Touch HD and it looks nice.
For fun I also downloaded Navigon (there's a two week free trial with full functionality) and with the help of a couple of xml files have it running. Different look and feel to Tom Tom but I like it. Probably worth a look for the two week free trial if nothing else.
Have seen iGo8 and I must say I like the look of it. Have seen a thread with details of a tweak, though that may have been for an earlier release.
Currently waiting for my TomTom services to run out (speed cameras and traffic) and then I may switch. The UI looks fantastic, but have to justify the cost to the missus .....
loadme said:
iGO works but is not really useable in my opinion
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I don't know what you have messed up, but for me it works just fine. Not a single "bug" you mentioned has occured, maybe you are just using the wrong version / configuration.
I had also some problems in the beginning (dropping the gps), but after setting up the right configuration it works just fine for me now.
johnpatcher said:
I don't know what you have messed up, but for me it works just fine. Not a single "bug" you mentioned has occured, maybe you are just using the wrong version / configuration.
I had also some problems in the beginning (dropping the gps), but after setting up the right configuration it works just fine for me now.
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You are correct, it works fine. However, occasional GPS drop does happen, and, from what I understand, it happens with all softwares, not just IGO. I would also be curious to know what configuration could possible effect GPS dropping issue?
Thanks
michael_r said:
I would also be curious to know what configuration could possible effect GPS dropping issue?
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For me it was the wrong baud rate. It must be set to 9600. As I was using GPSGate I had to change the baud rate within GPSGate and not in iGO8.
loadme said:
iGO works but is not really useable in my opinion
there is no "programm close" button in expert mode, only one in simple mode.
program nearly never really gets closed by command.
voice from the navigation continues in programm-volume-setting, even after you are back in touchFlow and used task manager to stop the program.
it still runs and runs ..
a next problem is the standby mode.
you cant set it up, that while iGO is active, standby wont happen.
at the moment, you start navigation, wait some seconds without doing anything, but listening and the HD drops in standby.
and NO i dont want to set new windows standby settings everytime i want to use a navigation tool :/
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Kinda strange that you are incapable of setting up a navigation software like igo on the Touch HD.
I myself only had to set the resolution and voila, all worked perfectly.
All the so called 'failures' are entirely untrue from my point of view.
Cause they work perfectly ! (yes also shutdown in expert mode), maybe your failure is using the correct settings in the sys.txt file...
Therfore I have to disagree with you completely on the IGO satisfaction scale.
I give it a 9,7 out of 10 (cause it can always be improved).
Tomtom is great and also is IGo in my opinion (havn't tried the rest om my HD).
with regards,
Ikkezelf
I am using Garmin Mobile XT, and it looks and works a treat.......
IGO8, does look good but there seems to be a lot of screen size problems for the HD. I too have tried IGO8 and all the stuffing around to get the correct screen resolution files sent me nuts.
I am using co-pilot 7, working well so far, especially when I remember to switch it from walking mode to car
A quick summary of my experiences with iGo 8, TomTom 7 and Garmin Mobile XT on the HD, in the UK.
iGo 8
Pros:
Has the nicest looking graphics, with terrain elevation and 3D models of major landmarks (and many more buildings too, in major cities) and a good variety of views.
Text-to-speech support for reading out road names, if you have enough memory (sometimes needs a reboot or to disable TouchFlo to get enough - sadly it doesn't default to the normal non-TTS if there's not enough memory, so you have to turn it back manually).
Routing between multiple maps installed.
Cons:
Long startup time.
Incorrect speed limits in my area (30 instead of 60-70 on some roads!)
The voice directions have been misleading when crossing a roundabout over a motorway, telling me to incorrectly take the first exit from a roundabout, when the direction arrow clearly shows the second. I verified by plotting a route on to the motorway that it also said "first exit" for that exit too. Very strange - I haven't seen problems with other roundabouts, yet.
Bad default POIs, listing the nearest cash machine as 25 miles away, when I was standing right next to one and no shops that I was looking for.
TomTom 7
Pros:
Reasonable across the board.
Cons:
Average default POIs, finding cash machines but not most shops.
Garmin Mobile XT
Pros:
Great default POIs, being able to track down most shops, etc.
Great free online services, such as Google local search, cheapest petrol
prices nearby, weather, traffic reports, flight status and Panoramio.
Being able to install subsets of maps, to reduce space on the device.
Cons:
Very slow graphics engine.
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[*]Text-to-speech support for reading out road names, if you have enough memory (sometimes needs a reboot or to disable TouchFlo to get enough - sadly it doesn't default to the normal non-TTS if there's not enough memory, so you have to turn it back manually).
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I'm using the latest iGO8.0.x release and haven't noticed any memory problem at all. I think it is a problem of the 8.3.X release(s), as they are not optimized for our devices yet. There are some sys.txt tweaks regarding to the tts functionality out there, maybe they will fix it for you.
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Long startup time.
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What do you mean by that? Mine is up and ready after 10 seconds (or something like that).
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Incorrect speed limits in my area (30 instead of 60-70 on some roads!)
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That's not iGO8's fault at all. The speed limits are integrated in the card material, mostly coming from tele atlas. For Germany the cards are really good.
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Bad default POIs, listing the nearest cash machine as 25 miles away, when I was standing right next to one and no shops that I was looking for.
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Haven't noticed any lacks of pois yet. But you can easily add pois (look for poi plaza).
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I'm using the latest iGO8.0.x release and haven't noticed any memory problem at all. I think it is a problem of the 8.3.X release(s), as they are not optimized for our devices yet. There are some sys.txt tweaks regarding to the tts functionality out there, maybe they will fix it for you.
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I'll take a look, thanks. The normal voices are fine, just not the tts. It could be due to the high quality tts rather than the 11KHz pack.
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What do you mean by that? Mine is up and ready after 10 seconds (or something like that).
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It's not unusable, it just takes longer than the others. Sometimes I want to quickly look something up. My usage scenario and my opinion of course
johnpatcher said:
That's not iGO8's fault at all. The speed limits are integrated in the card material, mostly coming from tele atlas. For Germany the cards are really good.
Haven't noticed any lacks of pois yet. But you can easily add pois (look for poi plaza).
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I did say it was my experience in the UK. Also, I think that they do count as negative points against iGo as they make it less useful to me compared to the competition. Giving incorrect voice directions is bad, especially when the visual direction is correct. I'm glad you're happy with it - the graphics engine, buildings and terrain really are good. I'd love to see some online integration like Garmin, especially Google local search, which would make the POIs less of an issue.
Gps sofware in uae
Just for anybody here in UAE ... Sygic Drive 2008 from ORION MIDDLE EAST.. works great on my HD.. and its maps are more updated for the GCC regions.. atleast here in UAE..
My comparison between Garmin mobile XT Vs Mapking R12
hello
yesterday i have chance to fully try out my GPS function on my new HD
This is my findings...
I have expirient using Mapking R12 with my Tytn2 and it is much faster in the term of rerouting if u miss any turn,the accuracy is much better but the graphic is quite "cartoon"... anyway it is quite simple to use and straight forward....
With garmin mobile XT i found that, graphic is cool, many additional information such as speed limit, traffic light and ETA....time...
but it is not that easy to handle in term of finding your destination, etc...
it is slow responding and this can cause u miss some turn since u been passing that turn about 5-10 meters then only in the graphic u will reach there... the speed indicator also slow 10 Kmph...then my speedo meter
anyway i'm not really sure this is due to the sofware or the GPS chip... since i'm comparing my expirient with 2 different device that running with 2 different sofware
anyway i will try to run my HD with mapking and look the different....
Comparison TomTom 7, IGO 8 and INAVI
TOMTOM 7:
It has the most user-friendly interface and most stright-forward menu. You get whatever you want in just several pushes of buttons. Maps are very precise in west Europa and I think in the USA. In other countries maps aren't that good if they exist. It computes almost the best way. Better than all other programs.
IGO 8
It is the most complete navigation program. It has plenity of options. The drawback of this is that you will need more time to do the same thing. The most useful function not available in TomTom is easy moving and zoming map during navigation. It has maps for much more countries for Israel, Eastern Europa and they are more precise (there are even 3D buildings) and they take less space. If you travel outside Europa and USA or like exploring options then it will be the best choice.
INAVI
It is good. It's the only choice for eastern Europe and some other countries. It has many options (more than TomTom and less than IGO) but navigation is less easy and less precise than others. You can choose it if there is no maps for the country where you go.
Personally I choose TomTom 7 because of it's stright-forward interface. In the car you don't have a lot of time to play with options. 3D buildings don't interest me (I can see them through the window) and I live in west Europe.
Just installed Garmin Mobile XT
Updated to version 5.00.20wp
I'm impressed, works full screen and very smooth, Garmin Online is very well integrated, the interface is clean and easy to navigate, you can really just install and drive/walk off (I did not have to do anything to activate the GPS just plug in the MicroSD card and it automatically installed the soft and I could start navigating)
This does not mean that things cannot be customized, from my first look at the settings it looks like just about anything can be customized.
The integration with WM seems very complete too, from the large "Where to" button I can select a contact and it will have a large "Go" button to start navigating to it.
This morning I tested it in my car and I even got a phonecall during navigating which went flawless, the phone screen came on but I went back to Garmin Mobile via the Start menu and it continued navigating (the data connection was stopped so no more Garmin Online service but it did not stop the navigation)
Voice prompts and warning signals were quite clear through the HD speaker.
The only thing is that the location of my car holder might not be ideal on the open road it was ok but the GPS connection became quite erratic when I entered the city, the GPS info screen showed only 3 satellites that flickered on and off, when I took it out of the holder and held it to the windscreen things got better.
hijamir said:
the speed indicator also slow 10 Kmph...then my speedo meter
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this is normal, the speedo in your car is set slower than the actual speed by design (so you don't think you're driving the speed limit but you're actually speeding). If GPS connection is good GPS speed can be accurate to about 0.1km.
On road GPSes there is always a 1 second lag (1Hz, professional and aviation GPSes can have multiple Hz updates) so accelerating/decelerating will not be correct but for constant speeds the GPS indication is superior to most cars speedos.
I've never had a gps device before, and am pretty new to the whole Winmo scene in general. I saw someone mention that Route 66 worked without tweaking so I bought a discounted version of their Route 66 Navigate 7. I wasn't able to install it directly from the CD, but their customer support responded within an hour or two telling me to copy the memory card directory from the CD directly to my HD's card and run the .cab from the phone.
Works great. Now I just have to fool around with it so I know how to actually use it effectively.. lol.
From their website they list the HD as compatible for their latest "8" version too. I just decided to get the old one for cheap since I don't really have a need for gps. Maybe I'll upgrade at some point if it's worth it.

GPS Fitness Clock?

Hi All,
I'm looking for a porgram that uses GPS to determine my average speed and distance I have run...
Anyone know of good cheap or free porgrams?
Thanks
Smartrunner does the trick...but I'm not sure if it's available in English too.
http://www.smartrunner.de/pages/
G-watch is great for this kinda of thing and free
http://www.ageye.de/index.php?s=gwatch/about
Run.GPS Trainer UV is very good... but not free.
It is well worth it though. You can pair it with a bluetooth heart rate monitor, set interval training, race against a virtual buddy (or your own times) and has settings for different sports.
GpsCycleComputer on the Diamond forum is all pretty good, and will give you what you want.
Okay, well all I need is something that will tell me how many miles I have run and howw fast i've done it.+
How good is the GPS on the X1? If the phone is in my pocket or a rucksack will it still register?
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Okay, well all I need is something that will tell me how many miles I have run and howw fast i've done it.+
How good is the GPS on the X1? If the phone is in my pocket or a rucksack will it still register?
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Have you really tried the above mentioned programs?
As I said, I use smartrunner.
I have the X1 in my pocket everytime I run and it works fine as long as I am not in the deepest forests.
I have got G Watch installed, I can't use smart runner because I only read/write english ):
I havent been able to use G Watch because i'm indoors and it doesn't get a signal. I am going on a run this evening so will try it then.
Its a shame there isn't something like Nokia's Sports Tracker (which is free) thats a great piece of software and the main reason i kept hold of my Nokia N95 8gb.

[Q] Need advice for GPS

Any one can suggest a good incar mount for the TF101 ?
Also is there any app for gps (like tomtom) for the tf101, as i have read there does not seems to have any one made specificaly for the tf101 or any other tablet anyway ?
as i know, there is no gps aplication for the transformer ,because of the rasolution. But you can lnstall a software with the best rasolution, that there is,i think 800x480 and you will see the map only on a part of the screen...
For example i use IGO my way...
I have been re-using my old EEEpc 701 car mount for my Transformer:
http://www.ultimate-netbook.com/inf...h-7-inches-to-13-inches-ultimate-netbook.html
Works great and fits fine.
There are SEVERAL gps software solutions that not only work on the Transformer, but take advantage of the full resolution. I don't know why people think there aren't any for tablets?
The one I use: Copilot Live Premium (Europe). I've been driving all over the South of France and back to Belgium just last week. It's great if you can keep the reflections to a minimum.
Google navigation works great, if you have a portable wireless hotspot (ex: mifi), or if you download the itinerary before going, or if you tether it to your phone. I tried all of these successfully.
OsmAnd+, NavDroyd, will work at full resolution.
Both Sygic and Navigon are optimized(fullscreen) for Honeycomb.
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Navigon
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Navigon is marked as incompatible with the TF101 on the market. Last time I tried it, there was no way to get the menus up on HC. Has there been an update that fixes this?
Sygic is a great product but does NOT work on the transformer - it works only on 2.x. I have it on my phone. Compatible devices: http://www.sygic.com/en/android:compatible-devices
I don't see a single android 3.x device on there.
There was a thread about Navigon a while back: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079369
For first tests the free Navid might be worth a try. I myself used MapDroid and Google Navigation for first tests.
Because MapDroid only shows your position and has no rooting cababilities, I'm searching for a nice offline navigation app for both my TF and SGS2.
How satisfied are people with NavDroid? Should I invest more?
I've purchased NavDroyd in anticipation of having to travel in several countries in Asia, where my normal GPS navigation software won't work for lack of maps or licenses. I haven't tested it on the road, but I have played around with it from my couch.
There are several problems using Navdroyd, but to its credit, it's the maps that are mostly the problem - not the software. The maps themselves come from the wonderful Openstreet map project, a collaborative wiki style world map that anyone can use and contribute to.
Main problem: in non Western countries, leave the big city centers, and you might as well ask the locals for your way - the maps are sometimes very incomplete. A lot of the data is contributed by individuals that have uploaded their GPS tracks on the site and have themselves typed the street or city names. Again, not NavDroyd's fault.
Osmand, Osmand+, Mapdroyd, Osmdroid and so on - all use the free maps from the Open Street Map project.
Quite frankly, I think I will most likely stick to Google Maps when in remote places. It won't offer navigation, but with the ability to download a 10 km radius map, and having studied the maps and the sites/itineraries I'm going to use, it should be more than enough.
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Sygic is a great product but does NOT work on the transformer - it works only on 2.x. I have it on my phone. Compatible devices: http://www.sygic.com/en/android:compatible-devices
I don't see a single android 3.x device on there.
There was a thread about Navigon a while back: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079369
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**Sygic does work on the transformer.
I was looking for a GPS app that works well offline, with good route adjustment, and this is the best I've used. NavDroyd took a while to get the maps and then couldn't find a GPS signal, so I moved on and didn't really test the product. Copilot looks good, but the USA map pack was over a gig, and I only wanted one state. It's possible you can choose individual states, but I didn't get far enough to determine this.
Sygic, for me , works perfectly. Can pick which states you want to download. I'm pretty sure they even use TomTom maps. You get two apps, one to download the maps and the GPS app itself. Lots of choices for voices (U.K, Australian, American English's in male or female, as well as many languages). The UI could possibly be better, and in the menus the very bottom of the screen is cut off, but half of the buttons (usually back or okay) still show so there's no problem. By this I mean only the lower portion is cut off, not half are missing, if that makes more sense. The maps are great, though sometimes cluttered with gas stations or other useful landmarks (these can be turned off). During navigation your MPH (or whatever unit you choose) is on screen, with ETA, time until next navigational action (exit, turn, etc.) and even the speed limit. The voice gives warnings usuall at 1 mile prior, 2/3 and then gets almost annoying so you don't miss the turn (probably adjustable?).
I'm probably forgetting some stuff, but this is exactly what I was looking for. Never have to touch it so I just set it in the passenger seat and turn up the volume. Might not be the best out there, but I don't have any complaints so I stopped looking.
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Sygic is a great product but does NOT work on the transformer - it works only on 2.x. I have it on my phone. Compatible devices: http://www.sygic.com/en/android:compatible-devices
I don't see a single android 3.x device on there.
There was a thread about Navigon a while back: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079369
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Sygic,Navigon,Copilot all work just fine in full screen(menus and everything) on the Transformer.
I know this because i tried all of them. Do not know about other apps but these work like they should.
I'm interested - how do you install sygic on the TF? Is it the official version?
To be honest, I started just downloading the apps offline after the first two, as I wasn't hopeful and wanted to test them first. I like to tell myself I'll buy the real version, but who knows.
It's possible that it wouldn't allow you to purchase from the market since it's not officially compatible, but I do not know. In any case side loading the newest version is what I did. Not sure if it was a cracked apk or not. Also can't remember if I had to sign up for an account, but downloading maps and everything worked fine after installation (and was free).
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Also is there any app for gps (like tomtom) for the tf101, as i have read there does not seems to have any one made specificaly for the tf101 or any other tablet anyway ?
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Google Navigation is pretty good. If youre in the car just use the phone as a mobile hot spot. You have a lighter, get a car charger plug for the phone so it doesnt die and use it all of the way.
Im looking forward do doing something of the like while driving up to visit my grandparents in the near future. Road tripping with internet, its the future!

Panapacific DEA600 head unit and smart touch screen...

Hey Guys,
I just bought a brand new Kenworth W900, and it has android auto (or something mimicing it) built in... A panapacific dea600... the major problem is it super kludge... amongst being terribly locked down, i cannot connect to an ad hoc wifi thru my windows 10 laptop (that is tethered to my S6 with easy tether)... my tablet can connect to the ad hoc no problems, and my stereo can see the network but cannot connect to it for some reason (i REALLY need to update the trucks GPS maps, and have you tried to use a truck stops wifi? (like dial up))... id really just like access to the OS or another launcher so i can add some apps that i need (no not facebook or stuff like that) and perhaps root and rom it....
its running android 4.2.2... and i can get you the entirely too long software version
Its sad really because this could be cutting edge stuff, but someone higher up had to come up with ways to neuter this damn thing... and look i get that there are things i shouldnt have access to while driving, but it DOES have android web browser built in so its not like they dont want us using it...
i dont expect the world as this unit has only been shipping with trucks for a few months... and many of you may not have come across it... but perhaps it shares hardware with another system and panapacific just stole it (it HAS happened many times)
thanks guys and look forward to replies before i finish going insane
Nobody?
DEA600 - SmartDisplay for Automotive Infotainment
Hey,
I just came across your note while search for this product - I was the software architect/tech lead for the supplier company providing the Android port and the Freescale SOM component of the display screen on this product line - although moved on shirtly after the system went to mass production. - it is awesome to see someone here discuss it!
You are very correct on a lot of you assumptions and assessments. it was a very ambitious project that really tried to leverage as much of what Android was capable of at the time it was planned, but tuned to work as a smart display for commercial vehicles.
The display is only a part of a system of components. The display runs a port of Android 4.2.2 - but highly tailored to its environment - pairs with the Delphi radio unit (as a peer, not as an accessory) and is toghtly coupled to the unit in production. as a security measure.
unfortunately for what you are looking for, though much of the upgrade and app installation capabilities have been locked down to prevent side loading or execution of "unauthorized" apps that don't have special keys fro. the OEM or manufacturer. even if installed, the system manager will kill any apps that are launched without keys.
you may be able to get a developer key from the OEM but I don't know how they chose to mange that in the final system.
thanks for the posting, though - it was a small run comparatively for android systems but it was a pretty damn cool system with what we did get working....
I would be happy to discuss more if you want. - with what I can....
- Chris
DEA600
hi there
i have same head unit in my 389 pride and class peterbilt, for the map part, that you can update by connecting it to your phones internet, either wifi hot spot if not then just connect it with bluetooth and use bluetooth tethering of phone and PAN of your DEA600, but main problem in the system is that you cant put a single thing without pulling breaks, and u cant download a single file by any means, it just displays error that unfortunately process.android. stopped or browser has stopped or settings has stopped. if any one figured out how to download anythimg in this little thing. please update
hello there. I have T-680 with DEA600. I had exactly the same problem and ended up taking my truck to a dealer. it turned out to be defected radio. After it was replaced, it would connect to a hotspot no problem ( im using htc 10).
I have the same unit in my W 900. It is a huge disappointment in many ways. First of all just like any factory radio I have ever seen in a commercial truck the sound quality is horrible. Second I don't like the fact that it locks so many functions when I am driving. I have a passenger that rides with me most of the time that is perfectly capable of safely operating those functions while I drive. This makes the GPS almost useless for the way I like to use a GPS. Good thing I still have my Garman. But really my biggest disappointment is the fact that I cannot get the gauges to work properly. It states that I can choose from over 30 gauges to be displayed however I have been unable to find any way to change from the six default gauges that are there. I have read the manual but it does not explain how to open the menu that lets you choose which gauges are there. I don't know if my unit is defective like one of a red one of yours was or if it just hasn't come out in an update yet. Also if I am reading this right it looks like my display and gauges function are tied to the stereo which means if I replace the head unit I'm going to lose that function. Am I reading that correctly?
Hey guys so a friend of mine has the DEA601 in his new truck and drives him nuts that the passenger cannot control things when its going faster than 5km hour (his old Peterbuilt worked fine).
I'm a software eng and would like to find out how to disable the Distracted Driver feature (like you can do in settings on many other Android Auto ROM's like Honda). What are my options here? a) Make a whole new ROM (but how to do that?) b) try to hexedit the existing ROM and find where the 5 km value is and modify it c) add an add-on app somehow to override this limit or d) other???
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Ckrobin said:
I have the same unit in my W 900. It is a huge disappointment in many ways. First of all just like any factory radio I have ever seen in a commercial truck the sound quality is horrible. Second I don't like the fact that it locks so many functions when I am driving. I have a passenger that rides with me most of the time that is perfectly capable of safely operating those functions while I drive. This makes the GPS almost useless for the way I like to use a GPS. Good thing I still have my Garman. But really my biggest disappointment is the fact that I cannot get the gauges to work properly. It states that I can choose from over 30 gauges to be displayed however I have been unable to find any way to change from the six default gauges that are there. I have read the manual but it does not explain how to open the menu that lets you choose which gauges are there. I don't know if my unit is defective like one of a red one of yours was or if it just hasn't come out in an update yet. Also if I am reading this right it looks like my display and gauges function are tied to the stereo which means if I replace the head unit I'm going to lose that function. Am I reading that correctly?
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I found out in order for the guages to work I need an $800 module my truck didn't come with. Now my biggest problem is the technology seems to have stagnated. The software on my phone and tablet are no longer very comparable with Android 4.2. I try my iPhone and my Android tablet and neither will play Pandora consistently. I am forced to use Bluetooth which looses sound quality on an already low quality stereo. I really wish Kenworth had spent their R &D on making their trucks compatible with idatalink like most aftermarket stereos use.
At this point I am torn between installing a hideaway marine stereo with a remote display and leaving this POS Pans Pacrapic as a display with nono sound. Or installing a line converter and amp and dealing with this clunky software. I wish someone would make a rom to upgrade this thing.
Looks like the Mfg won this round
Looks like the Mfg won this round
I'm driving one of these trucks also and I keep checking this post but I guess we havent incentivized anyone who cud help yet!
The electrical switch must be located behind the air brakes control knob. I'm sure if you pull the stereo out you will find the wires that control the disabling feature. The unit tries to "update" when connected to wifi. Maybe someone can use wireshark and grab the update packet and modify it with root installed. I'm ok with trying anything short of taking the unit apart and Jtag the firmware directly. Would love to see one taken apart.
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The electrical switch must be located behind the air brakes control knob. I'm sure if you pull the stereo out you will find the wires that control the disabling feature. The unit tries to "update" when connected to wifi. Maybe someone can use wireshark and grab the update packet and modify it with root installed. I'm ok with trying anything short of taking the unit apart and Jtag the firmware directly. Would love to see one taken apart.
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This is a 2+ year old thread being g responded to.
What is your point? 2years later and still no solution to the problem. I ran across this thread of people discussing the same problems I'm having with the radio unit. If you got something usefull to add to this discussion then please feel free otherwise you don't need to acknowledge when what was posted that helps me null with my problem.
Anyone here figure anything out?
still nothing
Hello! So I have little tech experience but I am willing to work with someone here to sort this out. Got a 17 w900 that I put a aftermarket double din in and retained smart nav for the gauges. What I did find was the screen (not the radio) gets a input from the wire harness off the ecm to give data to the screen. So I’ll attach a picture of the plug and maybe we can use this plus find it’s female counterpart then get the other end to plug into a maestro box? My Sony doesn’t have maestro. I do have a pioneer that does but can’t justify the cost being the Guinea pig. I’ve already been one of the first to get the tilt column to drop LOW and managed to fit a true 7” double din where the stupid nav was.

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