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Hi everyone ,
I thought of getting the s7 edge but the 10 was pretty impressive. Which should I go for ? I flash Roms a lot and will definitely root it. I will be getting it unlocked for sure.
I had the HTC ONE M8. My contract was up this year. I went for the S7 EDGE and aside from missing the IR blaster, I don't regret it. However the lack of decent tempered glass screen protectors for the S7E is irritating.
That said, if the Edge model did not exist and the choice was between regular S7 and HTC 10, I would have stuck with HTC. The Edge uniqueness pipped it for me. I actually use the Edge UI quite a bit.
FYI some more background, I left Samsung years ago and switched to HTC for two reasons 1) fed up with TouchWiz and bloat ware 2) plastic materials. Something I felt HTC were addressing with their Sense and metal materials. I've gone full circle again. TouchWiz is less bloated now and actually enjoyable to use. And the hardware feels premium.
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Are you getting the international S7? Because AFAIK, The US models don't support unlocking/root... so that's a big negative. Also, I never had a good experience using an international Note 5 on T-Mobile USA's network (if you're US based).
Each phone has pro's and cons. The S7 is certainly more polished right now, but HTC has been pushing updates daily to fix issues. Performance should ideally be faster on the HTC just because it is less bloated. I really appreciate HTC embracing stock Android as much as possible. I'll give you a quick rundown of my opinion on the devices... I'm having such a hard time deciding, I actually just ordered both and plan on using them back and forth to hopefully decide which I will use until the next Nexus or Note 6.
S7E:
+Insanely fast autofocus... camera is reliable right now. Better manual controls
+Great sunlight brightness
+Waterproof
+OLED screen
+Unique design
+Larger screen
+Huge battery
+Better slow motion video, and 60 FPS video
+Wireless charging
+UFS storage speeds
-micro-USB, v2.0
-TouchWiz
-No root capability for US models yet?
-Fingerprint reader is slower and must press power button
-Curved edges can distort colors (turn blue/green) on white browsing screens
HTC 10:
+Brighter screen in manual brightness
+High fidelity speakers and headphone jack, DAC/amps. High-res audio recording
+Lighter OS
+Better looking display whites
+Type C USB, v3.1
+Unlocked bootloader
+Better front and rear camera hardware (bigger pixels, OIS on front - software needs more polishing)
+$599 after discount code
-eMMC storage speeds
-Smaller display
-Only splash resilient
-Small battery for thickness
-No sunlight brightness boost mode
-LCD contrast (very good, but still nowhere near OLED)
If the 10 were OLED and 5.5", it would have been the perfect phone...
I love HTC, but now, i would pick the S7 edge.
Htc 10 is a good device. The S7Edge is a great device. You pretty much get the best components on the market. Htc 10 asks way too high of a price for what it offers, using emmc storage, bad optics for the camera, OIS not so good either, display is not that good unless you get a specific brand (basically a lottery), it gets too hot too fast ( search htc 10 forums)
The only reason you might wanna consider the 10 is maybe audio, not that its that much better than the S7Edge exynos. Samsung pretty much created the best device money can get to date.
FalconFX said:
Htc 10 is a good device. The S7Edge is a great device. You pretty much get the best components on the market. Htc 10 asks way too high of a price for what it offers, using emmc storage, bad optics for the camera, OIS not so good either, display is not that good unless you get a specific brand (basically a lottery), it gets too hot too fast ( search htc 10 forums)
The only reason you might wanna consider the 10 is maybe audio, not that its that much better than the S7Edge exynos. Samsung pretty much created the best device money can get to date.
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You're down talking the phone way more than it deserves. Have you even used it yet to back up those claims?
The latest eMMC is not THAT much worse than UFS. Most people are likely to not even notice a difference because once things are loaded in the RAM, it's moot.
How does it have bad optics? LOL. It uses the same sensor as the 6P which BEATS the S7E in plenty of low light tests due to superior HDR processing. The HTC with a bigger aperture AND OIS is a recipe for perfection if HTC can get the camera software right, which so far has gotten better, but is not where it needs to be. And how is the OIS bad?
I haven't seen much complaining about the panels. Apparently the more rare Sharp panels don't have an issue in landscape with polarized sunglasses and may have less visible tinting at extreme angles. But from what I saw in a YouTube video, after 2 weeks, the pink tint was practically gone at extreme angles hinting to it being an adhesive issue in the LCD which will clear up after a little bit of use.
Don't know anything about the heat actually being an issue. Apparently people feel the heat easily - it is an aluminum phone, so maybe it's just better at dissipating it, but I would bet that the S7E is less prone to thermal throttling with its vapor heat pipe. Not an issue for me because I never game on my phone.
Nitemare3219 said:
You're down talking the phone way more than it deserves. Have you even used it yet to back up those claims?
The latest eMMC is not THAT much worse than UFS. Most people are likely to not even notice a difference because once things are loaded in the RAM, it's moot.
How does it have bad optics? LOL. It uses the same sensor as the 6P which BEATS the S7E in plenty of low light tests due to superior HDR processing. The HTC with a bigger aperture AND OIS is a recipe for perfection if HTC can get the camera software right, which so far has gotten better, but is not where it needs to be. And how is the OIS bad?
I haven't seen much complaining about the panels. Apparently the more rare Sharp panels don't have an issue in landscape with polarized sunglasses and may have less visible tinting at extreme angles. But from what I saw in a YouTube video, after 2 weeks, the pink tint was practically gone at extreme angles hinting to it being an adhesive issue in the LCD which will clear up after a little bit of use.
Don't know anything about the heat actually being an issue. Apparently people feel the heat easily - it is an aluminum phone, so maybe it's just better at dissipating it, but I would bet that the S7E is less prone to thermal throttling with its vapor heat pipe. Not an issue for me because I never game on my phone.
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Just the fact that you said that HTC has bigger aperture means you know s***t about cameras, The smaller the number the wider the aperture, 1.7 is better than 1.8. here is a comparison :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFww3-Ne3Fk
When i said optics i meant the lenses, not the sensor, but considering how you dont know which aperture size is better, there is no reason to waste my time on photography 101.
The S7 is the fastest device of the year (exynos), in day to day usage & in heavy tasks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvytFwkI8BA
As i said, the 10 is a good device, but not a great one, for the price they are asking for it, they are delivering the basic things, which every device this year does very well, and arguably the S7 excels not only at the basics, but goes beyond that with extras, (Wireless charging, heat pipe, IP68, etc).
FalconFX said:
Just the fact that you said that HTC has bigger aperture means you know s***t about cameras, The smaller the number the wider the aperture, 1.7 is better than 1.8. here is a comparison :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFww3-Ne3Fk
When i said optics i meant the lenses, not the sensor, but considering how you dont know which aperture size is better, there is no reason to waste my time on photography 101.
The S7 is the fastest device of the year (exynos), in day to day usage & in heavy tasks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvytFwkI8BA
As i said, the 10 is a good device, but not a great one, for the price they are asking for it, they are delivering the basic things, which every device this year does very well, and arguably the S7 excels not only at the basics, but goes beyond that with extras, (Wireless charging, heat pipe, IP68, etc).
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My comment of having a bigger aperture was directed towards it being larger than the 6P, not the S7E. I am well aware that the S7E has a larger aperture, but the 10 has larger pixels. I'm not sure which would equate to taking in more light, but considering the 6P has been capable of producing better shots than the S7E in many scenarios at night, the 10 should be even more capable with its larger aperture (than the 6P).
Exynos is not available here in the US unless you get the international version, which is not worth it considering the issues that may arise trying to use it on US carriers based on my experience with an international Note5 on T-Mobile USA's network. If OP is outside of the US, then that is cetainly something to consider.
The S7 has its additional features, as does the 10. The heat pipe is only relevant if you heavily use the device. IP68 is cool for sure, but I don't know how well I'm warming up to the idea of getting the phone wet regularly. Wireless charging is pointless because it is a lot slower than wired, and you can't really use the phone easily when it's charging like that. The 10 has FAR superior audio (at least vs the SD 820 variant), has a larger aperture for the front camera along with OIS, more refined speaker audio, higher manual brightness, USB Type C v3.1, is less bloated, and - this is a big one for me - doesn't require you to hit a home button for fingerprint unlock OR to go home. I don't know why, but I hate pushing down on a button, especially to unlock the device.
I'm not arguing that the S7 isn't a great device. That's why I have ordered them both to see which suits me best. I'm just saying that calling the 10 only a "good" phone is a bit unwarranted at this point. HTC put a lot of effort in the right places and left it unlocked from the start, and has pushed updates daily since it launched. Samsung hasn't really innovated much like they could have. Last year's Note5 was a huge showcase of that... nothing new other than the updated design.
HTC 10 I liked best the camera.
Nitemare3219 said:
My comment of having a bigger aperture was directed towards it being larger than the 6P, not the S7E. I am well aware that the S7E has a larger aperture, but the 10 has larger pixels. I'm not sure which would equate to taking in more light, but considering the 6P has been capable of producing better shots than the S7E in many scenarios at night, the 10 should be even more capable with its larger aperture (than the 6P).
Exynos is not available here in the US unless you get the international version, which is not worth it considering the issues that may arise trying to use it on US carriers based on my experience with an international Note5 on T-Mobile USA's network. If OP is outside of the US, then that is cetainly something to consider.
The S7 has its additional features, as does the 10. The heat pipe is only relevant if you heavily use the device. IP68 is cool for sure, but I don't know how well I'm warming up to the idea of getting the phone wet regularly. Wireless charging is pointless because it is a lot slower than wired, and you can't really use the phone easily when it's charging like that. The 10 has FAR superior audio (at least vs the SD 820 variant), has a larger aperture for the front camera along with OIS, more refined speaker audio, higher manual brightness, USB Type C v3.1, is less bloated, and - this is a big one for me - doesn't require you to hit a home button for fingerprint unlock OR to go home. I don't know why, but I hate pushing down on a button, especially to unlock the device.
I'm not arguing that the S7 isn't a great device. That's why I have ordered them both to see which suits me best. I'm just saying that calling the 10 only a "good" phone is a bit unwarranted at this point. HTC put a lot of effort in the right places and left it unlocked from the start, and has pushed updates daily since it launched. Samsung hasn't really innovated much like they could have. Last year's Note5 was a huge showcase of that... nothing new other than the updated design.
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I dont know whats so amazing about higher manual brightness being higher, i keep mine on auto, and outdoors i can see the screen no problem, the 10 has way worst outdoor visibility.
Phones are getting stagnant. The S7Edge is the farthest a device can get as a whole package. Next year is where innovation should be made. Any device that you buy this year will have no problem bolding up beyond 2 yrs. I feel like sammy did the right thing with the s7, its improved in every possible aspect. As i said, the htc 10 is a good device compared to this year's flagships, but its the a great upgrade from the M9 and M8.
The htc 10 would be a great phone if priced well. 500$ is the best price for it. It doesnt offer much from the 6p, so it should be priced against it.
I have one more T-Mobile jump until it resets in June. Then I get 3 more upgrades for the year. I'm going to look at the HTC 10 but I don't know if I'll take the leap. Battery life is most important to me and I don't think the 10 will come close to the 8 hours SOT I'm getting with my S7E.
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Nitemare3219 said:
Are you getting the international S7? Because AFAIK, The US models don't support unlocking/root... so that's a big negative. Also, I never had a good experience using an international Note 5 on T-Mobile USA's network (if you're US based).
Each phone has pro's and cons. The S7 is certainly more polished right now, but HTC has been pushing updates daily to fix issues. Performance should ideally be faster on the HTC just because it is less bloated. I really appreciate HTC embracing stock Android as much as possible. I'll give you a quick rundown of my opinion on the devices... I'm having such a hard time deciding, I actually just ordered both and plan on using them back and forth to hopefully decide which I will use until the next Nexus or Note 6.
S7E:
+Insanely fast autofocus... camera is reliable right now. Better manual controls
+Great sunlight brightness
+Waterproof
+OLED screen
+Unique design
+Larger screen
+Huge battery
+Better slow motion video, and 60 FPS video
+Wireless charging
+UFS storage speeds
-micro-USB, v2.0
-TouchWiz
-No root capability for US models yet?
-Fingerprint reader is slower and must press power button
-Curved edges can distort colors (turn blue/green) on white browsing screens
HTC 10:
+Brighter screen in manual brightness
+High fidelity speakers and headphone jack, DAC/amps. High-res audio recording
+Lighter OS
+Better looking display whites
+Type C USB, v3.1
+Unlocked bootloader
+Better front and rear camera hardware (bigger pixels, OIS on front - software needs more polishing)
+$599 after discount code
-eMMC storage speeds
-Smaller display
-Only splash resilient
-Small battery for thickness
-No sunlight brightness boost mode
-LCD contrast (very good, but still nowhere near OLED)
If the 10 were OLED and 5.5", it would have been the perfect phone...
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Thanks a lot for the comparison. It's really helpful. I'll just get the S7 and the 10 at a go. I'll return either one. BTW I live outside the States.
And thanks, everyone for your thoughts.
Nitemare3219 said:
Are you getting the international S7? Because AFAIK, The US models don't support unlocking/root... so that's a big negative. Also, I never had a good experience using an international Note 5 on T-Mobile USA's network (if you're US based).
Each phone has pro's and cons. The S7 is certainly more polished right now, but HTC has been pushing updates daily to fix issues. Performance should ideally be faster on the HTC just because it is less bloated. I really appreciate HTC embracing stock Android as much as possible. I'll give you a quick rundown of my opinion on the devices... I'm having such a hard time deciding, I actually just ordered both and plan on using them back and forth to hopefully decide which I will use until the next Nexus or Note 6.
S7E:
+Insanely fast autofocus... camera is reliable right now. Better manual controls
+Great sunlight brightness
+Waterproof
+OLED screen
+Unique design
+Larger screen
+Huge battery
+Better slow motion video, and 60 FPS video
+Wireless charging
+UFS storage speeds
-micro-USB, v2.0
-TouchWiz
-No root capability for US models yet?
-Fingerprint reader is slower and must press power button
-Curved edges can distort colors (turn blue/green) on white browsing screens.
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100% incorrect. When the phone is in sleep you simply need to press the home button down with a finger/thumb that's been setup and the phone will unlock. The physical pressing of the home button wakes the device then the fingerprint is immediately read. You don't even need to release the button. The power button on the side at no point needs to be touched.
Beefheart said:
100% incorrect. When the phone is in sleep you simply need to press the home button down with a finger/thumb that's been setup and the phone will unlock. The physical pressing of the home button wakes the device then the fingerprint is immediately read. You don't even need to release the button. The power button on the side at no point needs to be touched.
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Sorry I used the wrong wording. I know you don't have to hit the power button - what I implied was you must hit the home button, physically push it down to wake the device for your fingerprint to be read. If Samsung would have found a way to avoid that requirement, the fingerprint sensor would be a lot more appreciable to me. I dislike the physical home button all together truthfully. I strongly prefer the 10's home button.
I've been using the S7E for a few days now. The 10 has been sitting at home, and will likely be getting returned. It's a good phone in a lot of ways. Maybe even a great phone. But every other phone out there is the best at something. The 10 is best at almost nothing, but good/great at everything. Problem is, most of those phones that are the best at something are also good/great at everything else too.
My biggest complaint with the 10 is the display. It just sucks compared to OLED. It has crazy motion blur, low brightness below 75%, a pink tint to the entire screen even viewed straight on, and has lesser contrast (but very good contrast for LCD). That combined with the display being SMALL, makes it a loss for me. I just don't want to use it as much as I do the S7E or the 6P.
I was really excited about the audio. I was really excited about the camera. I was really excited about the build. It gets all of those things right. But so do the other two phones I mentioned for the most part (headphone audio isn't that good on the S7E, but it's not bad enough to make me not want to use it). With a 5.5" OLED display, the 10 would've been phone of the year in my book, no questions asked.
Help me decide!!!
HONOR CONS/PROS
+Great Deal - 399 + 50 Gift Card + Case + JBL BT Headset
+Great Camera
+Better CPU
+Faster Finger Print Reader
-Less Storage
-Less Resolution
-Smaller Screen
http://www.antutu.com/static/attachment/articles/201608/18105556-content.png
Well, take a look at this. The Honor 8 with the Kirin 950 scores around 89k on Antutu. That's not even visible on this chart vs the Axon 7.
Camera is definitely better than Axon 7.
Audio, Axon 7 no contest.
The size, it's a preference. I prefer bigger screen with Android 7 Nouget the multiscreen favors bigger displays.
As for price, I don't like all these giveways. Just make the device $299 without giveaways please.
Asking in this forum, where we're all waiting for the Honor 8 seems a bit silly, hardly an unbiased opinion to be seen
chpimentelpr said:
Help me decide!!!
HONOR CONS/PROS
+Great Deal - 399 + 50 Gift Card + Case + JBL BT Headset
+Great Camera
+Better CPU
+Faster Finger Print Reader
-Less Storage
-Less Resolution
-Smaller Screen
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The CPU might be better, but the GPU on the Honor 8 is significantly worse.
Right, but there's no better place to get real feedback from real axon users. ? I order mine from Newegg... Will need to wait a bit to received it. Thanks all for the feedback is well appreciated.
chpimentelpr said:
Right, but there's no better place to get real feedback from real axon users. �� I order mine from Newegg... Will need to wait a bit to received it. Thanks all for the feedback is well appreciated.
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But the one thing you do need to remember is that the feedback is from all over the world. There seems to be some differences in software from region to region.
This has led to mixed reviews.
Personally, I have the Chinese 4gb, 128gb Axon 7. It works fine and things that the US users complain about the software seems to work fine on mine. I seem to have a few extra options that they don't but then again they can unlock the bootloader.
Now that I can get root access it is a bit better but is still locked down. I do worry that the next OTA to improve the software and fix bugs will, of course, loose me root....
This may give you some insight.
https://youtu.be/y0fHGJY-vFE
For me it's the Axon 7. I like the bigger res screen, the upcoming daydream compatibility and superior audio and non-Apple like OS.
The Honor 8 dies seem to have a better camera, but I can live with that. Plus I have an LG G5 for when I want photos.
You just have to decide which features are more important to you.
chpimentelpr said:
Help me decide!!!
HONOR CONS/PROS
+Great Deal - 399 + 50 Gift Card + Case + JBL BT Headset
+Great Camera
+Better CPU
+Faster Finger Print Reader
-Less Storage
-Less Resolution
-Smaller Screen
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I had Honor 7 with the same SoC and I can tell you that it is really good enough, fast, no heating, good battery. And so is SD820 of Axon 7. Huawei has promised 2 years full support and upgrade for new phones and the new EMUI 5 wil be allegedly more close to stock. And even now you have third party themes which change that ugly apple look of Huawei phones.
But I'm still on for Axon 7. The fact is that everything but camera is better. Display, audio, design, rooting option... Even for camera you can't really tell that Honor's is better. It's dual but there is no Leica behind it as for P9.
As I see from my past experience, the software of Honor 8 will work without any issues and this is the only real advantage of Honor. I still have confidence in ZTE, I believe that it will solve software issues soon. Otherwise I would rather wait for Mate 9, which really supposed to be a killer phone.
It doesn't have a better CPU. The GPU on the Honor 8 is worse. The Honor 8 is going to be dead as far as development goes. The screen is worse, the audio is definitely going to be sub par. How fast does a finger print scanner really need to be? From what I can see it's USB C but at 2.0 speeds unlike the Axon which is USB C 3.0. The Honor 8 doesn't have Gorilla Glass. Also one of the biggest negatives for me is that it doesn't have Quick Charge 3.0. It has quick charging but it doesn't use the quick charge standard. It uses something called Smart Power 4.0 and after a Google search only thing I can find is something from Elgato and I don't think that's it so it's most likely proprietary.
In my view being the same exact price I don't see a single reason to go with the Honor 8. It has like nothing going for it over the Axon 7 except the camera. If the camera is that important to you then go for it but aren't there better options in the camera department anyway?
Kinda a silly question to ask since I doubt any users here own both phones.
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What's more important to you as a user? Better camera = Honor 8. Better sound = Axon 7.
I"m pretty pleased with my Axon 7 so far. It's great for music and games, for example.
max1001 said:
Kinda a silly question to ask since I doubt any users here own both phones.
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Your comment is silly... and not productive at all... I just want hear feedback. Thanks all for the inpt well appritiated.
chpimentelpr said:
Help me decide!!!
HONOR CONS/PROS
+Great Deal - 399 + 50 Gift Card + Case + JBL BT Headset
+Great Camera
+Better CPU
+Faster Finger Print Reader
-Less Storage
-Less Resolution
-Smaller Screen
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This is something more of a personal preference. The Honor 8 is undeniably a beautiful phone. So if the glass look is something you prefer, go for it. With that said, it has a lower resolution LCD screen, a weaker GPU and CPU. The Kirin 950 is NO match for the Snapdragon 820 with Adreno 530. The Snapdragon is a better CPU scoring higher performance on Geekbench per core (around 2300 single core). The only reason the Kirin appears to score higher on the multicore is because it is an octacore (8 vs 4). It also has less on board storage at the base price (32GB vs 64GB). These are minor differences that come down to personal preference.
If a larger, superior screen with better sound matter to you, the Axon 7 is a no brainer. Huawei is more developer friendly though. The Honor 8 also has a superior camera, although I believe that the Axon 7 is an update away from having a really good camera. My personal preference would be the Axon 7 for the metal unibody design and superior specs.
chpimentelpr said:
Help me decide!!!
HONOR CONS/PROS
+Great Deal - 399 + 50 Gift Card + Case + JBL BT Headset
+Great Camera
+Better CPU
+Faster Finger Print Reader
-Less Storage
-Less Resolution
-Smaller Screen
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OK, so this is interesting. I am so tired of when it comes time for me to buy a phone that I only have the time in the store or reading reviews to decide what I want to buy. Now that I'm older and can afford the hit on my credit card, I went out and bought both the Honor 8 and Axon 7 to have side by side for a week to see what I'd like more. I'll return the one I don't like.
Background - I travel for a living.. usually 4-6 hops (flights) a week. Always on the go. My biggest frustrations are: bad sound quality, bad camera quality and bad performance. Up until early last year I always had those problems. The LG V10 came out and solved all that. Absolutely amazing camera (see below), unbelievable sound quality (again see below) and performance was the best you could get (at that time).
Sound - I'm using my LG V10 as a benchmark to compare. I carry two sets of headphones. Westone W4r's (4 driver IEM's) and a pair of B&O H6 over ears. As everyone knows, the V10 has two DACs. One is the SOC DAC (Snapdragon 808) that's just average. Then there's the ESS DAC (that you can switch on the fly). But one real neat feature that no phone has ever had (other than the V20) is gain adjustment. Actual hardware gain. Meaning, if you use a short pigtail (male 3.5mm to female 3.5mm) and plug that in first, then plug your headphones in, you get a significant boost in gain to support higher impedance headphones. That being said, I will be using only the ESS DAC audio out for this section. The Honor 8 does a respectable job. I'm impressed with the volume, but nowhere near the high impedance mode of the V10. I would need to always carry my Fiio E6 headphone amp for traveling in flight. The ZTE Axon 7 seemed to have a lot of crosstalk.. meaning the sound stage seemed narrow. The volume output as nominal, but nothing to write home about. Again, I'd have to carry the Fiio E6. If you ask me why I don't talk about equalization or bass/treble response of the phones, is because this is subjective. Anyone can install an app like Neutron, PowerAmp or even a root app like Viper4Android to modify that. My last comment will be on the noise floor. It's breathtakingly low on the ESS of the V10. It's very low on the Honor 8, and it's a little higher with the AKG DAC on the Axon 7. Particularly with high dynamic tracks coming from artists like Orbital, Bob Moses, Autchre and the likes. I just wasn't as impressed with the noise floor as I was on the V10. Most reviews like you'll see in gsmarena state what I just said with numbers, and it shows.
Camera - There's simply nothing I can complain about on the V10. All cameras were tested hand held in auto mode (because.. 90% of the time you take these photos while you're moving, not with a 4' tripod and a chair to capture the perfect moment). I sit at my desk and took a photo across a dim lit room of my wife's desk chair. You can see the stitching in the leather edges. Camera did a great job of keeping noise to a minimum. With the Honor 8, the stitching is nearly gone. The ZTE, it's not even visible. In daylight pictures, the Honor 8 rivals the V10's camera as far as sharpness goes. The ZTE did an ok job as well, and sharpness was right up there. Maybe a touch more crisp. Color reproduction, the V10 seems dull and I find myself using Adobe Photoshop Express in Android correcting this. I never had an issue on the Honor 8. The ZTE, things were actually too vivid and over saturated. Response time (for shutter) is only average for the V10. The Honor 8 was a bit more speedy, and the ZTE was VERY quick. Night shots turned that around 180 degrees. The V10 takes AMAZING PHOTOS at night. (This is probably why they put the same sensor in the LG G5). It's quick to focus and just astounding in the detail it can pick up. The Honor 8 was more of an 'average' smartphone experience when it comes to night shot shutter speeds. The ZTE always had problems focusing on whatever you'd select. Therefore, the time to take a photo was much longer with this phone.
Performance - No one actually ever says anything about the day to day use of your phone. How often they have to clear their apps, how long they can go before things start bogging down, or for guys like me that juggle a lot of apps while on the go, while always checking for my bulging wallet that carries my spare battery for my V10. I usually have these apps open on a normal travel day: Hangouts, Delta, IHG, National Car, Google Keep, Google Maps (With location on, wifi off), music player (typically stock - I used to use Shuttle+, but it has issues with the latest update) (with Bluetooth on - to connect to my rental), Viper4Android, Chrome with 4-10 tabs open, the stock Camera and mobile hotspot (with the limit turned off so it's always on - if you turn the beacon feature off so the SSID is hidden, the power draw while it stays on is negligible when you consider the fact that as soon as you open your laptop it connects instantly). Those are my go to apps and the ones I switch back and forth to hundreds of times per day. With the V10, there are times when the navigation buttons literally get 'stuck' on the screen and I have to do this shuffle of power cycling the screen and fingerprint scans before the phone comes to life, which ultimately forces me to do a battery pull. The Honor 8 was snappy. Never had those issues at all in the week I had it. In fact, it seemed like app switching was just as fast as any other flagship you'd expect. If you don't do any gaming (and I don't) then the GPU 'rating' on Antutu and any other benchmark means absolutely nothing to this phone. On the ZTE, everything was stellar. Simply an unbeatable combination of top notch cpu performance and gpu (no lag with the gui - not even a stutter that you could visually see). I've done two factory resets with the V10 and the facts remain.. if I put those core apps back on and use them, I eventually have these problems again in a matter of days.
Battery Life - With the V10, I use my phone a lot. Wifi is always off, GPS always on, BT always on, Screen usually around 50-75% and I only clear my apps 1-2 times per day. With the same core apps installed, my V10 gets me through about 6 hours before it's dead. I usually charge 2-3 times per day. Once a week I'll swap with the battery in my wallet to keep both of them equally charged. With the Honor 8 I was blown away by the ability of this phone's multitasking, background battery drain and how well it made it. With the ZTE I was also impressed, but it sure wasn't twice the battery life than the Honor 8. I tell you what, I looked like a damn fool carrying around all three phones always doing the same thing on all three, but honestly, it's the only way to tell. With that being said, the V10 and it's 3,000mah battery lasted me 6 hours, the Honor 8's 3000mah battery was just shy of 8 hours (how ironic) and the ZTE's 3250mah lasted me about 9 hours.
With ALL this being said, you can clearly see why I'm trying to upgrade. Most of you would probably say "well if you like your V10 so much, why don't you just go get a V20??".... and you'd be right. But I HATE the size of the V10. Way too big for a phone and I have large hands (I can palm a basketball). I LOVE the size of the Honor 8. It's all about personal preference. I'm also being forced to upgrade because the Snapdragon 808 in the V10 can't keep up with me anymore.
Pricing - Right now you can buy a LG V10 around $250 as a benchmark. As of this posting, Best Buy has the Honor 8 on sale for $299, which is $100 off the normal price. Plus, they give you a case for free made direct by Huawei, and the case is actually very nice because you can still see the beautiful blue back and buttons work great. The ZTE Axon 7 is on sale at Fry's Electronics for $349 which is $50 off the normal asking price of $399. The LG V20 is $749 at places that even stock the phone, and it's so ridiculously priced that I can't justify it. I am honestly torn and have no idea what I should do. I spent all this time writing this post and I just get more frustrated each time. I eventually returned both the Honor 8 and ZTE thinking that I'd give the Oneplus 3T a shot, but after all the horrible reviews of their customer service and how they've been out of stock for over a month now, I've completely written them off. It's not a flagship killer if you can't even buy the damn thing. Why can't they make a phone with the same or better camera than the V10 (particularly in low light performance), as good or better audio gain as the V10's high impedance mode (because seriously, why limit the voltage out so much????), and have great performance in line with flagships? There is always a catch - if you look hard enough. My opinion the Achilles heel for the V10 is performance, the Honor 8 is volume gain and the ZTE's is low light camera performance. You need to decide what you can live without, aside from the physical dimensions.
My review here didn't help me, but I'm hoping it helps you. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask and I'll do my best.
Like many said, I prefer the Axon 7 by far. Superior screen, superior audio, superior CPU/GPU, and most important, QC 3.0 <-- this is really a GREAT advantage. Charges fully the phone in 45mins or less.
Between those two, I would go with the Axon 7. With that being said, after owning the Axon 7 for 3 months now, I wish I would have went with the oneplus 3. I would be giving up some resolution but it would be worth it for the dev. options. Development is a little slow going on the Axon 7.
OnePlus has a proprietary charger as well, like the H8 and that suxx... QuickCharge is available for all the SnapDragon CPUs, and it's really great, so why aren't they using it? I have 3 wall chargers already, one at home, one at work and one in my bag in case, knowing I can recharge my phone in 40 mins, or any other device without worrying if it's compatible or not...
Don't do it bruh. Am using op3 and finds it too simple.. doesn't feel a flagship fone other than speedy os. Display u ll get hatred of it. Audio department especially from 3.5 mm jack is worst I have heard, too flattened and low output.
You will feel iritated of using OnePlus 3 after few months
After spending 400 dollars you will feel what I actually paid for a plain blunt subtle fone that doesn't wows you in any area
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Don't do it bruh. Am using op3 and finds it too simple.. doesn't feel a flagship fone other than speedy os. Display u ll get hatred of it. Audio department especially from 3.5 mm jack is worst I have heard, too flattened and low output.
You will feel iritated of using OnePlus 3 after few months
After spending 400 dollars you will feel what I actually paid for a plain blunt subtle fone that doesn't wows you in any area
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Dat 5-month bump tho
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Dat 5-month bump tho
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Well did you take then OnePlus 3 ?
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Between those two, I would go with the Axon 7. With that being said, after owning the Axon 7 for 3 months now, I wish I would have went with the oneplus 3. I would be giving up some resolution but it would be worth it for the dev. options. Development is a little slow going on the Axon 7.
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Hello everyone, as to the reason why I'm asking in this thread. I'm personally favouring the G6 for unknown reasons. I just wanted some more input.
I cannot decide between the G6 and the Oneplus 5
What would you pick and why?
For me the G6 has unique features like the Waterproofing, the wide angle, the dac, Qhd display
Oneplus has software and power, better sensor(?)
I really want the better camera experience which is why I'm leaning towards the G6 for the wide angle.
At the same time, FCC is bad/average I read here which is sad, while the oneplus front cam is supposedly good but I probably use it only for video calling anyway
In low light, indoor pictures how do the G6 fair in your opinion? Satisfied by indoor pictures of people/pets etc??
Video calling with the front camera? Good bad?
what do you say?
Thank you for your insights!
Oh one more thing, this purchase is going to be a keeper, meaning 2-3 years if possible. What's the better buy?
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Hello everyone, as to the reason why I'm asking in this thread. I'm personally favouring the G6 for unknown reasons. I just wanted some more input.
I cannot decide between the G6 and the Oneplus 5
What would you pick and why?
For me the G6 has unique features like the Waterproofing, the wide angle, the dac, Qhd display
Oneplus has software and power, better sensor(?)
I really want the better camera experience which is why I'm leaning towards the G6 for the wide angle.
At the same time, FCC is bad/average I read here which is sad, while the oneplus front cam is supposedly good but I probably use it only for video calling anyway
In low light, indoor pictures how do the G6 fair in your opinion? Satisfied by indoor pictures of people/pets etc??
Video calling with the front camera? Good bad?
what do you say?
Thank you for your insights!
Oh one more thing, this purchase is going to be a keeper, meaning 2-3 years if possible. What's the better buy?
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Better screen on g6 next to no bezzle on g6 them 2 things alone make the g6 better than op5 in my opinion
The only 3 things that op5 have better than LG it's fast updates , stock Android and the os it's faster. The rest the gym smocks op5
G6 24 month warranty! Love the IQ, very happy thus far.
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If you are concerned about the front camera on the LG G6, use the rear wide angle camera and easily take selfies! The LG G6 is one of the fastest SD 821 devices out there so compared to the One Plus 5 which use SD 835, You will save fractions of a second when using the faster One Plus 5, nothing major differences in performance! LG G6 is even better than the SD 835 or the Exynos specced Galaxy S8 due to the LG UX 6.0 being smoother than Samsung's software..
Well, this is ironic.
I have a G6 and my friend just got an OP5 so we compared a few things. I have a pretty good idea what the differences are.
Design: Of course this is subjective, depends what you prefer. The OP5 is thinner, but I like the G6 better. That's of course your preference, but once you go bezeless, it's hard to go back.
Battery: I'm actually getting great battery life on the G6, however, the OP5 is just better. The battery size is the same, but the 835 is more power efficient, the screen is 1080p instead of 2k, and Android 7.1 has more battery optimizations than 7.0. As well as less bloat running in the background.
Of course again, that depends on your usage. Speaking of display:
Screen: Both are gorgeous screens, 5.7 2k vs 5.5 1080p (and yes, the G6 is slightly smaller even with the bigger screen). Both are nice, and it's really your choice. The G6 screen is gorgeous, and LCD which is really one of the best. The OP5 screen is a nice dark amoled and has great colour. You won't be disappointed by either screen, it all depends on whether you really want the nicer denser screen, or of 1080p is nice enough, taking I told account battery savings.
Speed: Day to day usage, both phones are great. I really see no stutter or lags on either device, except for the occasional hiccup in an app. But that's the app more than the hardware.
That being said, the little things is where the OP5 flies. Unlocking it is nearly instant. The camera loads ridiculously quickly. And of course games load quicker. If the G6 could be rooted and some bloat deleted, it could probably do a bit better, but stock out of the box, the OP5 flies... unlike the G6.
Camera: I'm not a big photos guy, so I can only give you some simple experience with that. Both rear cameras are very similar quality wise. The OP5 gets the bokkeh effect, and the G6 has the wide lens. Again, kind of comes down to your preference. The front facing camera is better on the OP5. That's no competition. I assume LG could not fit a better camera on the small bezel. That being said, it's not a TERRIBLE camera. As long as you have some good light, you're fine. It's just low light that ruins things (like most cameras anyway)
Regardless, both phones are pretty awesome. They both do very well for day-to-day. They both look very nice as well. Although I'd give the "looks" advantage to the G6, especially since the OP5 looks just like the iphone7, which personally, I really don't like. But it doesn't mean its a bad look or anything, again, very subjective. The power though, goes to the OP5. Again, the G6 isn't bad by any means, but you can really tell which phone is more powerful when putting them side by side.
I tend to edge over to the G6. I feel it's a more no compromises approach. Despite being overall less powerful, it doesn't suffer in day to day, and looks great. The OP5 is definitely more of an enthusiast device, but I would pass on the looks.
So unless there is a specific reason to get one: like rooting, the front camera, the display tech (LCD vs amoled), the processor, etc. You'll be fine with either device.
Take a look at the pricing around you. I got the G6 from a carrier so I paid less up front, but overall the OP5 is a bit cheaper (at least here) so that's a consideration.
Good luck!
Leaning towards the op5
My LG G4 just died with the boot loop that's caused by the soldering problem admitted by LG themselves. Despite my phone still being under warranty, they've refused to fix it due to the phone being rooted. Luckily Amazon gave me a full refund regardless. Not happy with LG at all! I mean rooting is the whole point of owning an Android in the first place.
LG seems to be a better and cheaper phone here (maybe not so much in the battery department) but I'm weary of getting burned again by LG... Plus OP has better support and optimization. The battery life on the original firmware that LG G4 came with was absolutely appalling, 2.5h of screen on time. Smh...
Hope this helps in your decision.
I'm gonna carry on my research for another day or two I think.
I'm starting to regret getting the g6. Stuck on android 7.0 and probably getting only one more update to 8.0. First releases are always bug infested.....we...G6 owners are doomed to use buggy software till rhe end of days.
My prior phone (OP3) wasn't flawless but at least the software was up to date and it was rootable.
I'm waiting for the release of the new pixel and if that won't win me over...im jumping ship to the OP5.
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I'm starting to regret getting the g6. Stuck on android 7.0 and probably getting only one more update to 8.0. First releases are always bug infested.....we...G6 owners are doomed to use buggy software till rhe end of days.
My prior phone (OP3) wasn't flawless but at least the software was up to date and it was rootable.
I'm waiting for the release of the new pixel and if that won't win me over...im jumping ship to the OP5.
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Im actually expecting G6 to receive Project Treble support and 2 more android updates. Keep in mind G6 was released early this year with nougat (7), oem flagships usually support phones for 2 years, thus android 9 is not wishful thinking...pending support from qualcomm on 821 chip, but I'd imagine google will press qualcomm to maintain support as original pixels share same chip.
Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the LG V30, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the LG V30 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Had the same effect on everyone as the HTC One M7, it just is consistently good across the board, and the design is a win for sure.
-cons
.side bezels
.bad ois stabilization
+SD835,4GBram,poled hdr,mil-std,ip68,3300mah,ultra wide camera,hi-fi dac,hi-fi rec, best ergonomic size.
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Is it very noticeable? I saw it immediatelly on first reviews. Although its wider than "sausage style" s8/s8+/note it still rocks the new 18:9 apsect ratio,there those side bessels just have to be there, otherwise it would not have this very proportional look almost like 16:9 phone look, you know what i mean?
Headphone nirvana. I've run my AKG Q701's and my VModa M100's and it is spectacular. There are several adjustments in the DAC settings that play with digital filtering. Subtle changes, great results.
The 701's are ~60 ohms and used to trigger high impedance mode on my V20. The 30 seems to handle this without the fuss of a notification that it is on. These cans are a tough load. They like power. I usually drive them using an outboard dac/amp . The 30 powers them beautifully. Very musical.
The camera is nice, haven't had much time to play during daylight. I ran it with my EVO Shift gimbal. Unfortunately the EVO doesn't support the vast control the 30 offers.
Going to Kauai Hawaii next week....Look for my update
beautiful phone, still have some problem with screen color in lowlight and main camera need improve in lowlight, EIS. All other thing is good.
Fortunately I have no screen banding, performance is on par with my S7 Edge, although still not quite up to part with my Pixel XL. Pixel requires less frequent reboots for performance related issues in my experience.
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beautiful phone, still have some problem with screen color in lowlight and main camera need improve in lowlight, EIS. All other thing is good.
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COuld you describe the screen problem, lets say in image or video ?
Thank you !
I love using my phone. Especially now that the battery life is so great. I get tired of being on my phone before the battery runs out. It's amazing!
Absolutely love it. Best phone I ever had and in my opinion and in 2018 still one of the best phones on the market. Bought it for 450Fr.- (=450$ more or less) this summer. What an amazing deal.
Symmetrical design with small bezels, good screen, good performance, amazing audio quality, VR capable, outstanding battery life. Fingerprint scanner, face unlock, double tap to wake. It's all there, nothing is missing for my needs.
For me personally there are basically no negatives.
Really awesome mobile
Fantastic phone. Oreo on this phone is really well implemented.
3 days on my new phone.
I come from an xperia z3 that had 1hr sot or 70% drain in 5hrs idle so...at the moment it's very hard not to be happy about this purchase
Great phone overall, the main camera is crazy good, long battery life!
Man. MAN. I switched from At&t to Sprint and converted my US998 to a LS998 V30+. Now I have VoWiFi, VoLTE and RCS messaging and fast LTE. What I am trying to say is, get a phone carrier that does your phone justice and you will like your phone more than before. Especially after you root and install Adaway and tweak RAM management. I have no desire to even switch to Pie anymore at least not until my H2OS theme is supported. Gcam shows the power of the camera. I get incredible night photos.
Great hardware and features, but absolutely unacceptable support. LG basically sells you the hardware, but zero support for security patches, even critical ones. I have a US998 that hasn’t received a security patch since March 2018.
This is my last LG product.
I certainly feel like LG has put a damper on this phone with their additions to theyre OS overlay. I switched to this phone from my Moto Z2 force since i needed the band 71 LTE while traveling, and I gotta say, this phone sucks... Nothing but constant hiccups and lags in browsing the web and switching apps.
I cant blame the hardware since my 1.5 years of using the Moto z2 - which has the same hardware - never gave me a reason to hate on it. It was buttery smooth since all the way till the end.
I am disappointed with LG
Yep my main device have a few to pick from a poco f1, Asus Zen phone 3 ultra, LG g6, LG v20 us996 LG v30+128gb
LG v30 is my daly driver.
I just purchased an essential phone from local craiglist, almost new condition for about $350.
It is not Sprint variant version.
I have Samsung Note5, I like it except its battery life. Samsung seems to be having
issue with its version Android, plus old generation CPU is not really power efficient.
I heard a lot of good story about the SD 835 CPU in terms of performance and power
efficient. These days even Samsung S8 has quite good battery life. without issue to last
a whole day for heavy use. Since PH-1 uses SD835, for the price I just want to give it a
try.
I know the essential phone has poor quality camera picture, and did compare the photo quality
from both N5 and PH-1. N5 seems to have better low light photo quality even though it is a
2 year old phone.
I start visiting here, and found the post about Google camera port, but I am confused
with the versions. My question which version is relative more stable and has more
features.
I saw the following versions, which one is the best in terms photo quality, stability, and features ?
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