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First, for those people responding - only please post replies having to do with the below four requirements, it would make it a much easier read for everyone involved, thanks. I am going nuts looking and cannot find a unit meeting the 4 below requirements. I have been looking for a long, long time. I am willing to do some extra installation work to get this done properly. If I cannot get an answer here there is probably no hope so I may then defenestrate! Requirements:
1. SMALL holder that can attach to a HORIZONTAL surface (not a huge geeky looking contraption with huge arms or snaking bendable supports, no huge sand-filled weights - minimal size - also power supply not on the holder which makes it bulky)
2. Allows the Kaiser to be switched between landscape/portrait position
3. Allows the Kaiser to be held with the keyboard open if preferred
4. Full functionality for auto-charging, interrupting radio speakers when turn by turn directions are spoken by GPS on the unit (extra wires and transformer kit to be hidden for installation - AND NO USE OF CIGARETTE LIGHTER!). Power supply for charging the unit must be OFF when car is not in use, so as not to wear out car battery (I would assume that is just an installation preference).
Anybody have any ideas?
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First, for those people responding - only please post replies having to do with the below four requirements, it would make it a much easier read for everyone involved, thanks. I am going nuts looking and cannot find a unit meeting the 4 below requirements. I have been looking for a long, long time. I am willing to do some extra installation work to get this done properly. If I cannot get an answer here there is probably no hope so I may then defenestrate! Requirements:
1. SMALL holder that can attach to a HORIZONTAL surface (not a huge geeky looking contraption with huge arms or snaking bendable supports, no huge sand-filled weights - minimal size - also power supply not on the holder which makes it bulky)
2. Allows the Kaiser to be switched between landscape/portrait position
3. Allows the Kaiser to be held with the keyboard open if preferred
4. Full functionality for auto-charging, interrupting radio speakers when turn by turn directions are spoken by GPS on the unit (extra wires and transformer kit to be hidden for installation - AND NO USE OF CIGARETTE LIGHTER!). Power supply for charging the unit must be OFF when car is not in use, so as not to wear out car battery (I would assume that is just an installation preference).
Anybody have any ideas?
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Is there something about the Proclip holder that doesn't meet those criteria? The only thing I can find is connectivity to the stereo. For me, I redirect the GPS audio to my Bluetooth headset where I can hear it better anyway.
Yeah, Proclips is your best bet. There's nothing that does all that out-of-box on the market right now. If you want to hook it up directly into your stereo system, then of course you're going to have to do that yourself. Or use bluetooth.
I guess there is nothing on the market
The solutions from Proclip that you suggest have no way of mounting the unit on a flat horizontal surface without damaging the car - I guess I would have to use one or two of these:
http://www.proclipusa.com/?sectionp...egoryid=&p_year=&p_countryid=0&p_leftorright=
from proclips to mount the holder (have to drill holes on the mounting surface).
Since the Tilt will work with the soon to be released higher capacity Micro SD cards (now only 8GB available but the tilt would be able to handle up to 32GB - when available) it would be nice to add the audio (music) as an automatically overriding input for the car's audio as well, for that I will have to use the hack mentioned here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339263
for replacing the plug on the unit with one that includes the audio out...
I will post pics once I figure out what direction I want to go with this...
So I had a Joying MTCB Android car head unit, was originally 4.4 but I had upgraded it to 5.0. Its the RK3188 quad core originally with 1GB of RAM but upgraded to 2GB. I had done a few other hardware mods too (MTC Sound and some FM sound enhancements by changing some caps).
Anyway long story short ribbon cable failure led to smoke and dead headunit.
So I am now looking for a replacement, any suggestions? About my only real requirement are a physical volume knob and as shallow a mounting depth a possible (well I need 4 channel preamp outputs and also reverse camera input but I think those are a given).
I always found the radio reception crappy (well compared to the OEM and even my old Ouku unit) so something with a good radio reception would be good, but again I assume between all the Chinese units its about the same (but if someone has a personal experience of a good one I'm all ears).
I was looking at one of the Eanon 7.1 8core 32GB/2GB ones, looks like it has a shallower depth 131mm than most plus it seems to be up there spec wise. How does the 8 core All Winner compare to like the 4 core Intel? It has the volume knob and everything else I need, though I'd prefer the knob in the top left vs center left but it appears the one in the corner has a larger depth?
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So I had a Joying MTCB Android car head unit, was originally 4.4 but I had upgraded it to 5.0. Its the RK3188 quad core originally with 1GB of RAM but upgraded to 2GB. I had done a few other hardware mods too (MTC Sound and some FM sound enhancements by changing some caps).
Anyway long story short ribbon cable failure led to smoke and dead headunit.
So I am now looking for a replacement, any suggestions? About my only real requirement are a physical volume knob and as shallow a mounting depth a possible (well I need 4 channel preamp outputs and also reverse camera input but I think those are a given).
I always found the radio reception crappy (well compared to the OEM and even my old Ouku unit) so something with a good radio reception would be good, but again I assume between all the Chinese units its about the same (but if someone has a personal experience of a good one I'm all ears).
I was looking at one of the Eanon 7.1 8core 32GB/2GB ones, looks like it has a shallower depth 131mm than most plus it seems to be up there spec wise. How does the 8 core All Winner compare to like the 4 core Intel? It has the volume knob and everything else I need, though I'd prefer the knob in the top left vs center left but it appears the one in the corner has a larger depth?
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Just got this one for my wife's car (Eonon GA2167)- no DVD, so yes very shallow depth - I have an older Eonon 6.2" unit running stock 4.4.4. and there is a huge difference - much faster, better memory handling, obviously more room for apps (32GB) - it does take a hair longer to fully boot up compared to the 4.4.4., but interface, app handling good so far - screen also better (comes with a screen protector applied & a backup in the box) -
Install used similar cables, etc. but be aware that the power/speak leads do not match up to older unit - must rewire - as it's in my wife's car, will have to play with it more as I get the chance, but so far so good - definitely an upgrade from my older unit - I am quite jealous -
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Just got this one for my wife's car (Eonon GA2167)- no DVD, so yes very shallow depth - I have an older Eonon 6.2" unit running stock 4.4.4. and there is a huge difference - much faster, better memory handling, obviously more room for apps (32GB) - it does take a hair longer to fully boot up compared to the 4.4.4., but interface, app handling good so far - screen also better (comes with a screen protector applied & a backup in the box) -
Install used similar cables, etc. but be aware that the power/speak leads do not match up to older unit - must rewire - as it's in my wife's car, will have to play with it more as I get the chance, but so far so good - definitely an upgrade from my older unit - I am quite jealous -
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Thanks for the reply, I ended up pulling the trigger on a GA2167 (coupon on Amazon and a free camera too - which will just get sold since I already have a camera).
What was your older Eonon (3066, 3188 or something different, MTCB/D?) just for comparison sake. Nice to hear that it is a big step up, I am also looking forward to the shallow depth, it really was a squeeze before now I should have plenty of room.
Do you have SW controls hooked up? Do they work with 3rd party apps, i.e. Pandora, etc. I had to use some workaround on my previous one but other than that everything else pretty much worked the way I wanted on the stock ROM so hoping for the same.
Winca s190
CarNaviPlayer.com
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Winca s190
CarNaviPlayer.com
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Can you expand on that? Looks like it doesn't meet my size requirements (too deep), has significantly reduced specs (half the cores and half the storage) of the GA2167) is almost $150 more price wise, has only 2 preamp outputs not 4, so unless there radio reception is significantly better I see zero benefit in this product.
Just got my GA2167 and wow is it quick, compared to my RK3188 with 2GB RAM it boots up a bit quicker but also the Radio actually plays (if it was playing before) part way during boot up. Everything else works has expected, I think radio reception is a little better too, sound quality is good its quite a bit louder than my previous unit.
Install was easy, since my car uses standard ISO connectors. Loving the smaller depth, have to tweak my brackets now but I should get it to sit flush now, before it would stick out a mm or so just because the rear was so cramped.
USB OBDII reader worked with no problems and so did my SW controls.
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Can you expand on that?
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Nah can't be bothered
My suggestion and it's brill, research, google does wonders
jakejm79 said:
Just got my GA2167 and wow is it quick, compared to my RK3188 with 2GB RAM it boots up a bit quicker but also the Radio actually plays (if it was playing before) part way during boot up. Everything else works has expected, I think radio reception is a little better too, sound quality is good its quite a bit louder than my previous unit.
Install was easy, since my car uses standard ISO connectors. Loving the smaller depth, have to tweak my brackets now but I should get it to sit flush now, before it would stick out a mm or so just because the rear was so cramped.
USB OBDII reader worked with no problems and so did my SW controls.
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So have you had any issues with differing sound quality with the unit? On my current unit I can't use some apps because the sound quality is so poor compared to others. I cant use the Pandora or spotify app on the unit because they are so quiet and barely even push my sub, but if I use blue tooth and have it come from my phone it fixes. I'm wanting to upgrade to a unit that I can get consistent sound quality from on the apps and run front and rear channels from an external amp as well as sub and this unit does have the pre outs I need and the price is pretty good.
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Nah can't be bothered
My suggestion and it's brill, research, google does wonders
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unless i'm seeing something this still runs on the a9 and 2gb ram? curious what makes this better than the px3 px5 or sofia intel chips, some with 4gb.
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unless i'm seeing something this still runs on the a9 and 2gb ram? curious what makes this better than the px3 px5 or sofia intel chips, some with 4gb.
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**** knows
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**** knows
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Ok, thanks for the input.
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Ok, thanks for the input.
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Please use the "thanks" button in future, instead of creating new posts to say thanks
Enjoooyyy
I'll remember that for some one that actually helps out
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So have you had any issues with differing sound quality with the unit? On my current unit I can't use some apps because the sound quality is so poor compared to others. I cant use the Pandora or spotify app on the unit because they are so quiet and barely even push my sub, but if I use blue tooth and have it come from my phone it fixes. I'm wanting to upgrade to a unit that I can get consistent sound quality from on the apps and run front and rear channels from an external amp as well as sub and this unit does have the pre outs I need and the price is pretty good.
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I haven't had any issues with sound quality (I know some people on some unit have an issue where some apps only play over the front two speakers at a lower quality - kind of like the system thinks its navigation audio - but I haven't experienced that). In all fairness though all I use is Pandora and FM Radio at the moment. I do plan on dumping my whole MP3 collection over and will see how that handles it and what player (default or other) I end up using.
The only quirks I have of right now is:
1. No way to change the car logo to a custom one - mine isn't listed, not that its a huge deal since the Car logo only shows for a second or two
2. Voice dialing, at the standard DPI the Google app thinks its a tablet adjusting the DPI fixes that but breaks other apps (FM Radio, etc). Also when it is working it doesn't parse the phone number to the BT app, other 3rd party dialers do.
3. I constantly get the prompt to select an app for a USB device when starting, I have an USB OBDII adapter, even when selecting Torque Pro has the default app it doesn't seem to remember and asks me at next boot.
4. I can't remove the default widgets on the stock launcher - not a huge deal but my car has a clock with date right above the radio, no need to show it on the launcher too, would rather put some torque widgets in its place.
But all in all I'm happy with it, definitely a lot more snappy than my RK3188 unit even with a 2GB and 5.0 upgrade, some quirks but they all have quirks and nothing deal breaking.
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I haven't had any issues with sound quality (I know some people on some unit have an issue where some apps only play over the front two speakers at a lower quality - kind of like the system thinks its navigation audio - but I haven't experienced that). In all fairness though all I use is Pandora and FM Radio at the moment. I do plan on dumping my whole MP3 collection over and will see how that handles it and what player (default or other) I end up using.
The only quirks I have of right now is:
1. No way to change the car logo to a custom one - mine isn't listed, not that its a huge deal since the Car logo only shows for a second or two
2. Voice dialing, at the standard DPI the Google app thinks its a tablet adjusting the DPI fixes that but breaks other apps (FM Radio, etc). Also when it is working it doesn't parse the phone number to the BT app, other 3rd party dialers do.
3. I constantly get the prompt to select an app for a USB device when starting, I have an USB OBDII adapter, even when selecting Torque Pro has the default app it doesn't seem to remember and asks me at next boot.
4. I can't remove the default widgets on the stock launcher - not a huge deal but my car has a clock with date right above the radio, no need to show it on the launcher too, would rather put some torque widgets in its place.
But all in all I'm happy with it, definitely a lot more snappy than my RK3188 unit even with a 2GB and 5.0 upgrade, some quirks but they all have quirks and nothing deal breaking.
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Thank you! I'm happy to head about the Pandora sound that is how I'd prefer to listen but haven't been able to because of the issues on my unit and YouTube is tedious to use. When you say you can't change to a custom boot logo, does it still have some preloaded options? Or is it just the brand of the radio that boots?
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Thank you! I'm happy to head about the Pandora sound that is how I'd prefer to listen but haven't been able to because of the issues on my unit and YouTube is tedious to use. When you say you can't change to a custom boot logo, does it still have some preloaded options? Or is it just the brand of the radio that boots?
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Yes there are still about 20 or so Manufacturers to pick from, mine just isn't on the list.
Great, I think you just helped me make my decision
Just ordered the Eonon GA2167, should have it in next weekend. I'll let you know what I think of it. I was thinking about the XTRONS 4GB unit, but I just didn't see enough talk about it to feel comfortable. I'm replacing a EZTronics 1GB unit, so I'm sure I'll see a nice upgrade.
For those who have it, it says Micro SD compatible, but I don't see a slot for it?
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Just ordered the Eonon GA2167, should have it in next weekend. I'll let you know what I think of it. I was thinking about the XTRONS 4GB unit, but I just didn't see enough talk about it to feel comfortable. I'm replacing a EZTronics 1GB unit, so I'm sure I'll see a nice upgrade.
For those who have it, it says Micro SD compatible, but I don't see a slot for it?
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Beneath the volume knob a door opens up and reveals a mSD card slot and mini USB port.
I have one f this units and I am experiencing problems with the apps sound Have infinity 6x9's and 6 1/2 PPI components in the front a 1000 watt dual amp, it takes a while for the sound to come in then is very distorted I have the gain on the amp matched to the unit on the apps the front speakers barely sound. it really sucks. any fixes? how is the internal amp?
Mirrored from my Amazon review on this unit:
Here are all of the pieces we purchased with the A62721PB 2G/32G, in order to install in our 2006 Dodge Ram 1500 truck. Install is still not complete, but I'll get to that in a bit.
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As you can see, its an ordeal to install this unit. Even the manufacturer doesn't seem to understand the vehicles it will be installed in, in our case, a 06 Ram 1500. Standard Chrysler wiring (would be the same for almost any 06 Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep... etc) telling me to tap into the -5v canbus wiring as the accessory switch. To properly install this in those vehicles, you need a CanBus adapter, which will give you the ability to turn to ACC and run the unit, and allow it to dim with the interior lighting. Neither of those are done in a 12v switched wire in these vehicles. Oh, and you will need an antenna adapter too... both of these I have yet to buy . If you have more than basic radio functions in your vehicle, you need a better install kit. Basic wiring wont cut it to do the job right.
As it is, I used a tap to the ignition switch (+12v) to turn the unit on until I have a few bucks to pick up a proper install. So think of all of that when buying. To get all the functions, you need more parts, so a $300 radio turns into a $500 radio quick.
OK.. Use. Most of my use is with Google Maps, Amazon Music (offline) or the backup cam. Getting those or any software setup with large downloads was a pain, as this unit shuts off the wifi with the key, so no updates while you sleep, and no way to turn that functionality on. Unless you leave your keys in the vehicle (not the best choice). And with the sub-par performance of the wifi in this unit, its going to take a while. I can see my home wifi all over my property with our phones. The truck only seems to see my neighbor's connection. The antenna is mounted under the black part of the windshield trim, just out of view. In fact, the only good reception I've gotten is with a portable hotspot in the truck. The A6 also cannot seem to see our 5gHz channels. These seem to be built to the same standards as generic 2010 tablets.
The built in pairing is useless. It just shares the screen image with the head unit. No controls, no passthrough... just video. If I wanted to use my phone I would have stuck to the ram mount. PDA-Net is the only way I've been able to connect, as my phone plan doesn't include wifi hotspot.
Speaking of phone hookup and this unity, you can share data (like PDA. net) or use fast charge. not both? And those USB leads really should come with some sort of bracket and template for in-dash installation. We plan on making these, but really, it would be a lot nicer to have it come with. Right now, they just fall out of the bottom of the dash like an afterthought.
Additionally, we negated to install the microphone. Most times people can hear you fine. If not, you have to re-boot the system. You also have to reboot when it wont pause music when a call comes in, or lower sound when the rear camera activates.
-Side note about that pause... most sub $30 bluetooth adapters resume your media when you start the vehicle back up. not this one.. you got to hush the FM software, navigate back to your music (Amazon music in our case) and then hit play. Since there is no play button on the factory remote, its a real pain in the backside. Not well thought out Atoto. -
Reverse cam is basic, we bought the matching ATOTO one and the quality is garbage. Looking for a better unit now. Nice that it just lowers the music while backing up, and doesn't cut out though.
I haven't tried to install a better home screen or layout in this unit. It would help to have a bit more open framework. The colors and designs are bland and garish at the same time (congrats on that hot mess Atoto) with no support for changing them.
The best looking interface and use so far has been Torque, which we have the pro version of, and has been useful to see a few tuning parameters as well as info for towing. We bought a generic ODB2 dongle and it works fine. The downside is the built in browser for looking up a trouble code that came from blowing out our dash lighting during install (dumb grounding mistake, should have known better and pulled the battery leads. ) No support for acceleration sensors though, seems the A6 does not have them. So if you want this for your autocross car, maybe skip it and just use a used Samsung Tab or something.
Im going to look into re-flashing the headunit after we button up the install with a better ROM, better apps, and hope I can find a good dashcam utility that works for this. CarWebGuru works at first, but then on re-boot will disable all sound, cameras, and the remote if left as the launcher. If not, it still works, but is kindof redundant.
overall, its a project. Take a full day to get it all installed, maybe longer to dial it in right.
Overall, so far, we spent a total of $368.17, and will be spending at least another $80 on this unit. I guess that is the name of the game when you want to do things right, and not spend $800+ on a turnkey system.
I also discovered that Prey security will install, but not open on this unit. Thought it would be nice to have a bit of additional theft protection int eh truck and the ability to track it if it did get stolen.
. I recently bought the a6 and had to learn the hard way also. I'm installing in a 13 Dodge Durango.
Majority of the extra cost would come with any new aftermarket unit since newer vehicles need to communicate with the can us system. I went in also thinking I could buy the cheap harness and be good to go. Majority of the Chinese headunits are made for international vehicles. . Most are plug and play.
I got on lightning deal for $200 and so far about $100 in parts. But I expect this with any aftermarket radio I install. Days of cheap harness and dash kit are over.
But anything is worth the cost vs my stock radio.
Just like any Chinese product(coming from Android TV boxes) they take a lot of tinkering but that comes with the cheap price. I plan on 8nstalling one of the car launchers and replacing every non essetnial app.
Power amp or gmmp for music. So with my limited testing, I've had a good experience. I'm within 20ft of my router at home so speeds been great. Bluetooth has been Rock solid also with media.
Will post more on Sunday when I complete the install.
Right on. I didnt have the cash to buy one from some place thats worked out more bugs. I have industry friends that sell a unit that retails at $800, adn I could get it wholesale, but thats still a chunk more cash than I had.
Got my wifi a bit better sorted this afternoon by putting a repeater out in my little tool shed, and finally have 75% of the tomtomgo USA map downloaded. This unit nor that app are good at downloading. I also noticed something about Car Web Guru on startup... if the factory launcher does not have default access, not only will certain things stop working (cameras, sound, USB), but it screws with the clock, which then throws off other apps that use the clock as part of any sort of key. Amazon does this with offline music, which I have a lot of on here.
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Right on. I didnt have the cash to buy one from some place thats worked out more bugs. I have industry friends that sell a unit that retails at $800, adn I could get it wholesale, but thats still a chunk more cash than I had.
Got my wifi a bit better sorted this afternoon by putting a repeater out in my little tool shed, and finally have 75% of the tomtomgo USA map downloaded. This unit nor that app are good at downloading. I also noticed something about Car Web Guru on startup... if the factory launcher does not have default access, not only will certain things stop working (cameras, sound, USB), but it screws with the clock, which then throws off other apps that use the clock as part of any sort of key. Amazon does this with offline music, which I have a lot of on here.
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I don't believe these stereos are any different from one another. I've read about changing launchers breaking things. Luckily I believe there is a fix out there.
Probably try emailing them for possible fix..
I still need the steering wheel module but thats something I'll do in future upgrade
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I don't believe these stereos are any different from one another. I've read about changing launchers breaking things. Luckily I believe there is a fix out there.
Probably try emailing them for possible fix..
I still need the steering wheel module but thats something I'll do in future upgrade
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I have emailed them, but the language barrier is strong here. Talked about changing the launcher, and they told me it is not possible, but I am willing to try more now that I have a few more tools at hand.
Just curious, if your vehicle doesn't have a 12v acc, is there a 12v power outlet /cig lighter (or anything else) that is controlled by the key. You could use any 12v that is controlled by the key and tie it the unit acc.
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Just curious, if your vehicle doesn't have a 12v acc, is there a 12v power outlet /cig lighter (or anything else) that is controlled by the key. You could use any 12v that is controlled by the key and tie it the unit acc.
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What vehicle do you have?
If nothing is there under the radio dash, you can tap into the fuse box.
Wont work. 12v+ ACC is controlled by the bus. With the key off, the cigar lighter ports are still charged with 8-10v, which the unit sees as an on trigger.
In order to get around this, you need a canbus controller, which is available from a few companies.
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What vehicle do you have?
If nothing is there under the radio dash, you can tap into the fuse box.
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I agree, fuse box would be your best bet. Aside from just the key switch, you could probably find a delayed off or open door off. If not, you just need to find a circuit activated by the key, could be any voltage made or ground made. Relays are cheap.
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I agree, fuse box would be your best bet. Aside from just the key switch, you could probably find a delayed off or open door off. If not, you just need to find a circuit activated by the key, could be any voltage made or ground made. Relays are cheap.
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Yeah need to know what type of vehicle it is.
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Any body get Waze working?
Unit can't find position/gps
Why would I do that in this truck with a relay and aux fuse panel, when I can control th dimming and ACC on via the canbus and an appropriate interface? Ive dealt with a lot of vehicle electronics (its part of my job) and going around a proven modern system with a bunch of jankey wiring just looks bad, especially in this case where it isnt needed.
In our Jeep Cherokee, maybe, but that also has things liek additional trailer wiring and radio equipment going in, as well as separate harnesses for the lighting to overcome stock deficiencies, but the Ram is pretty solid. Atoto says they have a built in canbus interface coming, just not there yet.
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Why would I do that in this truck with a relay and aux fuse panel, when I can control th dimming and ACC on via the canbus and an appropriate interface? Ive dealt with a lot of vehicle electronics (its part of my job) and going around a proven modern system with a bunch of jankey wiring just looks bad, especially in this case where it isnt needed.
In our Jeep Cherokee, maybe, but that also has things liek additional trailer wiring and radio equipment going in, as well as separate harnesses for the lighting to overcome stock deficiencies, but the Ram is pretty solid. Atoto says they have a built in canbus interface coming, just not there yet.
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Yeah why would you do that?
Our last few post was towards the guy asking about it. We can only assume he has an older vehicle.
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Yeah why would you do that?
Our last few post was towards the guy asking about it. We can only assume he has an older vehicle.
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Ah, my bad. Yeah, if you have an older vehicle, you could do a relay setup for ACC, but normally thats just a stop on the key, at least back to the 70s.
My thoughts.
Built in amp is 10x better than the stock one.
Very little lag when operating the unit. Lags a bit when streaming and downloading at same time.
Plays all types of media.
Screen is great. Easily used with sunlight shining through(sun roof)
Dims at night time correctly.
2sec boot is amazing.
Presistent app permissions notification drives me nuts.
App installs take forever(download is fast as the connection)
3ven thought 99% of time I'm listening to Google play or off HDD would be nice to limit volume when turning on car when fm radio auto starts.
Everything outside of my noobnesw and lots of user error has been plug and play. What's taking me 2 weeks so far would probably take experienced person 1hr or less.
I took apart the unit and can't understand why these units are bigger than name brand headunits. There is nothing in them but space.
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The screen is very nice. Boot time is more like time to pop the screen on, like when you hit the power button on your phone after its been in your pocket on standy. The real boot time takes forever (why is this microwave so slow!!!!1)
Mine keeps having issues with SD cards. have had it randomly say its corrupted, pull it out, reinsert, and all good. Just odd I think . And I finally found a good GPS app for this one, since it has enough space, the TomTom app is perfect. At least for my uses, even with having to pay for a month when using it for longer distances.
My biggest issue other than the few mentioned already in this thread, is the lack of speaker settings. There isn't enough options for speaker fine tuning, and as a result I can't get my speakers to sound good at all without massive distortion and clipping. Anyone know if there's a solution for this?
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My biggest issue other than the few mentioned already in this thread, is the lack of speaker settings. There isn't enough options for speaker fine tuning, and as a result I can't get my speakers to sound good at all without massive distortion and clipping. Anyone know if there's a solution for this?
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Best I can think of would be through a different amplifier than the built in one. Best luck I have had is with the "natural" setting. Its all software based, I found that it stops working and needs rebooted to get the profile back. Im betting thats a driver issue, and one we wont see updated in the A6.
You guys do know the trick about hitting BACK when the FM tuner comes up, then selecting the Atoto AUX and hitting HOME (leaving it in memory) to prevent the auto-start of FM and getting blasted out of the cab, right?
With the AUX trick, CarWebGuru (or other launchers) will autostart just fine. Every now and then (especially after a long power-off, like a day or two) you might have to repeat the trick, and more often, you'll need to manually start AUX if things like steering wheel controls or the Atoto equalizer isn't working after a restart (Aux or FM will force a restart of the MCU hardware).
We are in the process of developing a *Mezzanine* board for 96boards CE SBCs. The purpose of this board is to implement the complete interface between the standardized SBC, and pretty much any car.
*Note: This is not a feature discussion thread, the features are set, the prototypes are built, painstakingly by hand over many hours.
The mezzanine board has the following (primary) features;
Quad-stereo ADC,
2 stereo DAC with programmable DSP (also has a header for up to 2 more DACs for up to 8 channel audio),
AMFM Radio,
OEM-style class AB automotive amplifier (4x52 watt @ 4 ohm, 4x85 watt @ 2 ohm),
ATSAMD21 microcontroller for SWI, fan control (fan is not mandatory), backlight control, etc.,
Physical interface to a conventional vehicle specific automotive pigtail.
This would be the additional component recommendation (and we are also considering a KIT):
1) 96boards CE SBC. We have a current working prototype using a Hikey960 (4xA73 + 4xA53, 4 GB), and are in the process of obtaining a Dragonboard 820C (2x Kryo big + 2x Kryo little, 3 GB). Note that some CE SBCs may not have full compatibility due to lacking the optional digital audio input pin. These two I've mentioned have *FULL* compatibility, and we are providing software support.
2) An HDMI monitor with USB touchscreen. There are tons of options for these, including ones packed in a DDIN chassis.
3) A USB GPS (you can get really good ones for as little as $10). Note that the dragonboard 820c has a built-in GPS, although I haven't tested its performance.
4) A pigtail (sometimes called a "wiring harness") for your specific vehicle.
** you can also add a USB HUB and any number of UVC cameras for dashcam and/or parking assistance.
96boards is a specification for SBCs developed by Linaro. Linaro is one of the big promoters and developers of Linux based operating systems, including Android/AOSP. So what you get with this, is the ability to build the complete operating system for your car radio **from source**. Hikey960's device repository is hosted by Google and is listed as an official "Reference Board". The Dragonboard 820C's device tree is in heavy development and is not quite ready to merge, but is available on Linaro's repositories, and from what I'm told, is functionally in a very good state.
In addition, since we are interfacing with SBCs having a standardized interface, when the boards we are currently working with become dated (as everything eventually does), you can easily replace the SBC with a new one that is completely up to date, while retaining the Mezzanine that actually interfaces with the car.
We have also developed additions to the Hikey960 kernel and Android device tree for supporting our mezzanine board and enabling the Automotive features of AOSP. And yes, our additions are all open source, which means that you can build it all yourself.
We have not yet set a price point for the board, but I can tell you that it will not come cheap. The component and manufacturing cost is quite extensive. Our objective, however, is to provide two things to make up for that, which you simply can't get anywhere else;
1) A "high end" experience that is significantly higher than the expensive mainstream car radios (kenwood, pioneer, etc.)
2) Full control over the software, including complete source code. No locks on the hardware. No or minimal blobs. The Hikey960 runs on a single blob for the Mali GPU. The Dragonboard 820C runs on NO blobs -- it uses the Freedreno graphics driver.
Features of our prototypes;
1) Navigation. Uses Google Maps / Waze or any other nav software.
2) Hands free calling.
3) AMFM Radio.
4) Bluetooth music.
5) Dashcam.
6) Its running AOSP 8.1 -- the sky is the limit.
Also worth mentioning:
*** Designed in Canada.
*** Made in Canada or USA. Depends on how the pricing works out.
So, who is interested? What would you pay?
No support for lvds for the LCD? That would eliminate needing an HDMI converter.
It's also seems off that as designers you did not ask for input from the one community who this is targeted to, XDA...the point is to dig into the market currently dominated by the poor quality ODMs of Chinese head units.
Pricing...if it works well $300 to $500for the mezz and hikey as a bundle??? The dragon board is not interesting....you can't even run android on that. The hikey960 and 970 is a better choice, especially the 970 once things get going since it has GPS!
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No support for lvds for the LCD? That would eliminate needing an HDMI converter.
It's also seems off that as designers you did not ask for input from the one community who this is targeted to, XDA...the point is to dig into the market currently dominated by the poor quality ODMs of Chinese head units.
Pricing...if it works well $300 to $500for the mezz and hikey as a bundle???
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LVDS is really not a viable option, because every different display will require extensive work to support, as well as, in many cases, a custom physical interface. If the goal was a single fixed product in a black box, then I would consider LVDS.
As a developer, I built it because I enjoy working on it. If I can sell it, so much the better.
96carboard said:
LVDS is really not a viable option, because every different display will require extensive work to support, as well as, in many cases, a custom physical interface. If the goal was a single fixed product in a black box, then I would consider LVDS.
As a developer, I built it because I enjoy working on it. If I can sell it, so much the better.
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Makes sense! Well, great work anyways. Are we going to see any pictures anytime soon??? I have some empty 2 din cases,and A hikey960 I would love to try this on
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Makes sense! Well, great work anyways. Are we going to see any pictures anytime soon??? I have some empty 2 din cases,and A hikey960 I would love to try this on
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I should have my next batch of prototypes (bare circuit boards) late next week or early the week after. I can post pics of the bare board, but if you're asking for pics of an assembled prototype, I'd rather not post pics of the currently running one on account of it really *looking* like a prototype (there are a few "corrections" on it).
Maybe what I'll do, is take pictures of one as I'm assembling it. I'm sure that some people would find it fascinating.
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I should have my next batch of prototypes (bare circuit boards) late next week or early the week after. I can post pics of the bare board, but if you're asking for pics of an assembled prototype, I'd rather not post pics of the currently running one on account of it really *looking* like a prototype (there are a few "corrections" on it).
Maybe what I'll do, is take pictures of one as I'm assembling it. I'm sure that some people would find it fascinating.
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Very cool! If you need someone to test, always willing! I currently work on some ROMs for the Chinese based unita, but an opensource aosp unit has always been the goal (*_*)
So. Ils possible use stock screen from golf mk7 facelift with your headunit?
I'm very interested. It's something that i'm looking for a while now and will be willing to pay high-end price for high-end performance.
But it also need to be high-end "experience"... Meaning it requires a good looking radio app, physical volume control etc.
I would be also interested the hear about the display option that you found and how "high-end" this could be in term of screen quality but also dash integration?
Anyway, the mezzanine itself would be a huge step forward and I will frequently follow the 96boards website to see when it will be available.
A huge thanks for all the work you already did!
ti-b said:
I'm very interested. It's something that i'm looking for a while now and will be willing to pay high-end price for high-end performance.
But it also need to be high-end "experience"... Meaning it requires a good looking radio app, physical volume control etc.
I would be also interested the hear about the display option that you found and how "high-end" this could be in term of screen quality but also dash integration?
Anyway, the mezzanine itself would be a huge step forward and I will frequently follow the 96boards website to see when it will be available.
A huge thanks for all the work you already did!
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The radio application is the AOSP automotive radio application https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Car/Radio/. How it looks really is between you and google. The objective, as far as software is concerned, is to change as little as possible with respect to AOSP. As far as physical volume controls go, the buttons on your steering wheel will work, or any other buttons, knobs, switches, or whatever else you might want to hook up.
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Since I've got the software into a pretty good state now for running the previous board revision, I've now begun assembling my "V1.0". This revision is "very close" to what I will be shipping.
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This board measures 123x78mm (under 5x3 inches).
U101 is a 3.3v very low dropout linear voltage regulator. It is used for powering all of the 3.3v components on the board, notably, the analog sides of all of the audio chips, which require a very clean and stable power supply, which is why its an LDO and not a buck.
Q101 is an N-FET, which controls the inhibit pin of the LDO. It takes input from either the microcontroller or the ignition signal. If they *both* switch off, then the LDO also switches off. D101 is a diode that prevents the microcontroller's output pin that drives Q101 from feeding to its input pin that reads the ignition signal.
U102,3,4 are optocouplers, used to read input signals from the car, which can vary within the range of 8-18 volts (though typically will be in the range of 11-15) and convert them into signals that are safe for the microcontroller and/or CPU. All three feed input pins to the CPU, U102 also feeds an input to the microcontroller.
The differences between this board and the final shipping board will be these;
1) There will be a 5th pin at J101, which will be connected to the "switched 12V output" of U203.
2) There will be two 3A diodes between the power input pins and J101.
** Together, these two changes will allow the board to be setup in a mode that allows the CPU and/or microcontroller to control power-off. J101 is a jumper block that allows the user to choose the mode of powering the system.
3) R203/204 are removed, since they are unnecessary.
4) The Anode of D701 is changed from 1.8v to 3.3v. This is to improve i2c performance of U701 (real time clock) and increase the charge on C701 (to increase the time the RTC can run for before the supercapacitor drains).
5) A zener diode is connected from the PWM pin of the fan plug to GND. This is to protect the microcontroller from excessive voltage that may be output by poor quality or incompatible fans. A good quality 5V PWM fan (like a Noctua) will pull the PWM pin up to no more than 3.3v. In fact, I checked with Noctua, and they pull it up to 2.5v. A low quality (cheap) fan may save a resistor by pulling it up to 5v, or a 12v fan could pull it up to anywhere between 3.3 and 12v. A 12v fan should not be used, but I'm sure that someone will plug one in anyway.
96carboard said:
Since I've got the software into a pretty good state now for running the previous board revision, I've now begun assembling my "V1.0". This revision is "very close" to what I will be shipping.
This board measures 123x78mm (under 5x3 inches).
U101 is a 3.3v very low dropout linear voltage regulator. It is used for powering all of the 3.3v components on the board, notably, the analog sides of all of the audio chips, which require a very clean and stable power supply, which is why its an LDO and not a buck.
Q101 is an N-FET, which controls the inhibit pin of the LDO. It takes input from either the microcontroller or the ignition signal. If they *both* switch off, then the LDO also switches off. D101 is a diode that prevents the microcontroller's output pin that drives Q101 from feeding to its input pin that reads the ignition signal.
U102,3,4 are optocouplers, used to read input signals from the car, which can vary within the range of 8-18 volts (though typically will be in the range of 11-15) and convert them into signals that are safe for the microcontroller and/or CPU. All three feed input pins to the CPU, U102 also feeds an input to the microcontroller.
The differences between this board and the final shipping board will be these;
1) There will be a 5th pin at J101, which will be connected to the "switched 12V output" of U203.
2) There will be two 3A diodes between the power input pins and J101.
** Together, these two changes will allow the board to be setup in a mode that allows the CPU and/or microcontroller to control power-off. J101 is a jumper block that allows the user to choose the mode of powering the system.
3) R203/204 are removed, since they are unnecessary.
4) The Anode of D701 is changed from 1.8v to 3.3v. This is to improve i2c performance of U701 (real time clock) and increase the charge on C701 (to increase the time the RTC can run for before the supercapacitor drains).
5) A zener diode is connected from the PWM pin of the fan plug to GND. This is to protect the microcontroller from excessive voltage that may be output by poor quality or incompatible fans. A good quality 5V PWM fan (like a Noctua) will pull the PWM pin up to no more than 3.3v. In fact, I checked with Noctua, and they pull it up to 2.5v. A low quality (cheap) fan may save a resistor by pulling it up to 5v, or a 12v fan could pull it up to anywhere between 3.3 and 12v. A 12v fan should not be used, but I'm sure that someone will plug one in anyway.
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This looks exciting. Lot's of effort resulting in an Android system that is put together the way it should be. Many kudos.
If you are looking at making some changes you could save some cash by dropping the optocouplers. I know that it sounds like the craziest idea ever but I swear all you need to protect a MCU pin from the outside automotive world is a 220k resistor and a 100nF cap. Cap is on the side of the pin, resistor connects to the outside world. When I first started work at an automotive dev company I saw this arrangement and nearly fell off my seat. Turns out that almost every single MCU/CPU/device with an IO pin out there has a very simple protection cct on each pin which consists of two internal diodes per pin. Anode on the pin with cathode to VCC for the high side protection, anode on 0V and cathode on the pin for the low side protection. Some manufacturers just used a single zener with the anode on 0v and the cathode on the pin and this offered both high and low side protection. By putting the signal from the car through the 220k you technically are driving the pin such that the protection circuit is coming into play but the energy that you are driving into the circuit is SO low that the diode easily handles it and the VCC rail just sinks the tiny current elsewhere. The cap is there to protect against induced noise and very low energy but high voltage spikes that may appear on the input line. I was skeptical until I learned that this had been used on a high seller that was installed into over 3 million vehicles... After working there for 8 years I had designed it into every product I worked on and swore by it. Maybe give it a try. I swear it won't disappoint.
By far the largest killers of products that I found was overshoot caused by jump starting and installers making silly mistakes. Installers would often connect outputs directly to the items they were meant to drive instead of going through a relay first. Ever tried driving a horn with a FET? We ended up using some pretty neat protected FETs to solve this but they were costly. Another common installer error is incorrect polarity on the power lines or on the IGN/ACC line. Simply solved by putting diodes in series with the VCC and IGN/ACC inputs. The jump start issue was more tricky to solve. At first we were using a MOV based circuit to try and absorb the energy from the spike and it would often work but it was costly and too "soft" in the turn on conditions which led to it sometimes not working as desired. We eventually moved across to a solution which was dirt cheap but absolutely brilliant in how well it worked. It was just a BJT, a FET and a few passives around them. As soon as the input voltage exceeded a certain rate of change (early warnings of a large incoming spike) or a certain voltage then it would completely cut power to the rest of the board for the duration of the spike. In the end the only limit to the level of spike it could handle was the reverse voltage of the FET body diode. The circuit passed all OEM load dump tests and is operating in several hundred thousand cars today. The only downside to it was that your product would lose vehicle power during a load dump condition and need to rely on an internal battery to continue operating. Since jump starting or any load dump condition is very infrequent this was not much of a negative for our applications.
looxonline said:
This looks exciting. Lot's of effort resulting in an Android system that is put together the way it should be. Many kudos.
If you are looking at making some changes you could save some cash by dropping the optocouplers. I know that it sounds like the craziest idea ever but I swear all you need to protect a MCU pin from the outside automotive world is a 220k resistor and a 100nF cap. Cap is on the side of the pin, resistor connects to the outside world. When I first started work at an automotive dev company I saw this arrangement and nearly fell off my seat. Turns out that almost every single MCU/CPU/device with an IO pin out there has a very simple protection cct on each pin which consists of two internal diodes per pin. Anode on the pin with cathode to VCC for the high side protection, anode on 0V and cathode on the pin for the low side protection. Some manufacturers just used a single zener with the anode on 0v and the cathode on the pin and this offered both high and low side protection. By putting the signal from the car through the 220k you technically are driving the pin such that the protection circuit is coming into play but the energy that you are driving into the circuit is SO low that the diode easily handles it and the VCC rail just sinks the tiny current elsewhere. The cap is there to protect against induced noise and very low energy but high voltage spikes that may appear on the input line. I was skeptical until I learned that this had been used on a high seller that was installed into over 3 million vehicles... After working there for 8 years I had designed it into every product I worked on and swore by it. Maybe give it a try. I swear it won't disappoint.
By far the largest killers of products that I found was overshoot caused by jump starting and installers making silly mistakes. Installers would often connect outputs directly to the items they were meant to drive instead of going through a relay first. Ever tried driving a horn with a FET? We ended up using some pretty neat protected FETs to solve this but they were costly. Another common installer error is incorrect polarity on the power lines or on the IGN/ACC line. Simply solved by putting diodes in series with the VCC and IGN/ACC inputs. The jump start issue was more tricky to solve. At first we were using a MOV based circuit to try and absorb the energy from the spike and it would often work but it was costly and too "soft" in the turn on conditions which led to it sometimes not working as desired. We eventually moved across to a solution which was dirt cheap but absolutely brilliant in how well it worked. It was just a BJT, a FET and a few passives around them. As soon as the input voltage exceeded a certain rate of change (early warnings of a large incoming spike) or a certain voltage then it would completely cut power to the rest of the board for the duration of the spike. In the end the only limit to the level of spike it could handle was the reverse voltage of the FET body diode. The circuit passed all OEM load dump tests and is operating in several hundred thousand cars today. The only downside to it was that your product would lose vehicle power during a load dump condition and need to rely on an internal battery to continue operating. Since jump starting or any load dump condition is very infrequent this was not much of a negative for our applications.
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It sound like you're describing the ESD diodes. Some might consider it slightly abusive to apply them in this manner, but I can definitely appreciate the application.
While I do know that the SAMD has this sort of arrangement on its input pins, I'm not sure whether this arrangement is present on the SoC or not -- my guess is probably NOT, and even if it is, I definitely can NOT trust that all 96boards SBCs will be equally protected. Only one of the optocouplers is even connected to the SAMD (the bottom one, IGN), all 3 optocouplers are connected to the SoC. If you will notice, there are two voltage dividers on the output of the bottom optocoupler -- R104/107 divides 5 volts down to 1.8 for the CPU, R113/114 divides 5 volts down to 3.3 for the microcontroller.
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I suggest you to take a look at taho screen they don't replace the stereo they add a box that work as android with the oem stereo see youtube most of the new cars now a days comes with touch screen think widely take a look of the possibilities good luck
I will become a locale official vendor (if it has a affordable price and a excellent android support)
najaray said:
I suggest you to take a look at taho screen they don't replace the stereo they add a box that work as android with the oem stereo see youtube most of the new cars now a days comes with touch screen think widely take a look of the possibilities good luck
I will become a locale official vendor (if it has a affordable price and a excellent android support)
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There would be nothing stopping you from using a built-in screen with this, as long as the built-in screen has an HDMI input -- which frankly, is quite unlikely, so I wouldn't get my hopes up.
In any case, that decision is outside of the scope of my project. The selection of display device would be up to whoever is installing it.
96carboard said:
There would be nothing stopping you from using a built-in screen with this, as long as the built-in screen has an HDMI input -- which frankly, is quite unlikely, so I wouldn't get my hopes up.
In any case, that decision is outside of the scope of my project. The selection of display device would be up to whoever is installing it.
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I see it means that some of the customer like tahoe for example cannot use this product at all can you verify the cars that your targitting
can it run two screens at the same time like screen 1 for the stereo and a screen 2 for the car dashboard
najaray said:
I see it means that some of the customer like tahoe for example cannot use this product at all can you verify the cars that your targitting
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I don't know what you mean by "tahoe" or "taho" as per your previous spelling, but it sounds to me like your questions are off topic. If you wish to continue this, please do so via PM.
looxonline said:
The jump start issue was more tricky to solve. At first we were using a MOV based circuit to try and absorb the energy from the spike and it would often work but it was costly and too "soft" in the turn on conditions which led to it sometimes not working as desired. We eventually moved across to a solution which was dirt cheap but absolutely brilliant in how well it worked. It was just a BJT, a FET and a few passives around them. As soon as the input voltage exceeded a certain rate of change (early warnings of a large incoming spike) or a certain voltage then it would completely cut power to the rest of the board for the duration of the spike. In the end the only limit to the level of spike it could handle was the reverse voltage of the FET body diode. The circuit passed all OEM load dump tests and is operating in several hundred thousand cars today. The only downside to it was that your product would lose vehicle power during a load dump condition and need to rely on an internal battery to continue operating. Since jump starting or any load dump condition is very infrequent this was not much of a negative for our applications.
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Wouldn't all of these problems be solved with a TVS diode?
https://www.littelfuse.com/~/media/...utomotive_tvs_diodes_application_note.pdf.pdf
96carboard said:
Wouldn't all of these problems be solved with a TVS diode?
https://www.littelfuse.com/~/media/...utomotive_tvs_diodes_application_note.pdf.pdf
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Yup, that's similar to the MOV solution. The problem with this type of solution is that it can create the clamp but it can't absorb all of the energy from the load dump (some, yes but not all). It therefore requires somewhere to dump the energy and that somewhere is in the resistance within the alternator and in the leads to the product. Our products could be installed in any location within the vehicle and in a huge variety of vehicles. Controlling the resistance between the alternator and the MOV (in our case) was impossible and this is one of the reasons why the MOV solution was abandoned. Another reason was cost. For a MOV that could handle the variation in conditions that our products were exposed to we had to go for a relatively high power variant. These could cost upwards of $2 which was insanity when you are talking about designing that into a circuit that is selling in excess of 60k units per month. The cut off circuit cost a fraction of that and so we ran with it
Fully operational:
Hi everyone,
Due to the lack of (and dispersed) information about these particular head units, here's a thread where we can discuss and help each other out to make the most of these units. Please note this thread is not for Sofia or MCDB/C/D/E units, there are ample threads about those. I am not a full-time software developer, so please do correct me if you think I'm wrong about something. Please do think twice before experimenting on your unit, no one else is responsible for it but yourself. I'm also dying for a custom ROM, if there's any dev making one for these, please know I'm availing my unit for experimentation. It is a powerful Unit which unfortunately is plagued by software problems which is why I believe a dev can make a better job than the manufacturer.
Also, special thanks to @surfer63 for his Joying Extra Tools (JET apk) which has been a critical tool for rooting, among other things.
I will be taking the unit out of the car and opening it up to install a heat sink and take some pictures of the insides, let me know if anyone's interested in close-ups of anything on the board.
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The unit was advertised as compatible with BMW X5 and E39 (5series 1996-2001). My car is a 1997 520i with the low-end dashboard so that's the context I'll be speaking in. The unit shipped complete with adapter cables which connect to the original connectors for the radio, magnetic GPS antenna, external mic (more on the internal mic later), 2 USB ports which are permanently attached to the unit (as well as an sd card slot), a couple of flimsy brackets which screw in place of the original radio holder. However 2 screws which attach the unit to the brackets were not provided and i had to rummage around until i found 2 screws that fit. Unfortunately the original radio antenna cable on the car doesn't fit the unit, however the bundle of cables has an antenna plug with it, it's just a matter of replacing it (someday, as I don't really use radio at all).
The Unit is reporting to have an ARM64-v8a architecture and an rk30sdk board, 4GB RAM as well as 32GB of internal storage. External storage is detected almost immediately as well and I had no problems with files stored on a pendrive. The CPU tends to run hot, occasionally going beyond 80degrees Celcius, I therefore have a small fan and heatsink ordered which I will try to squeeze into the single-DIN box. Worth mentioning it has buttons and a knob on either side of the screen which are backlit and positively responsive. Regarding the in-built microphone, it "works" in theory, ie. it hears you if you tap on it, but it doesn't hear my voice even with the engine idling, let alone cruising down the autobahn. Fortunately it comes with an external mic, I'll hook it up when I pull it out for the fan job.
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This is the latest ROM & MCU update from the manufacturer:
Android Version: 8.0.0
Build number: px5-userdebug 8.0.0 OPR5.170623.007 eng.bsp.20181107.190240 test-keys
System info: APP 1024x600 2018-11-23 08:48:14
MCU Version: 2018-11-23 16:12:28 JY_(R68*)__26_C26_CAN(All)
BT Version: BLINK_8723DS_RELEASE/2018:10:08:17:05:26
DigitalAmp Version: Unknown
CAN Version: Unknown
Serial Number: 00000000
I'm not going to give the Wifi Mac address for obvious reasons.
Cold boots are pretty quick, it's usually done in half a minute. It has a rudimentary "recovery" mode which is achieved by pressing the reset button with a needle 3 times, and after a pause, a countdown is shown under the boot logo, at which point one has to insert the SD card into the right hand slot. If it identifies the ROM on the SD card as equivalent or better, it starts flashing. If it doesn't recognise it, it does apparently nothing and leaves you with a black screen until you remove the SD card and boot it up again.
I have on several occasions attempted to flash TWRP recovery image as well on the unit, with no success.
Description of operation & issues:
Ever since the latest ROM Update, I've been having issues with the WiFi: despite the dozen wifi hotspots around the neighbourhood including my phone and home wifi, the unit doesn't "see" any until I completely reboot it.
The ROM provided by the manufacturer doesn't have a proper bluetooth menu. Despite being equipped with Bluetooth 4.0, as it stands for now, there is no proper bluetooth menu like you get on your phone/tablet/etc... a bluetooth app shortcut does open this menu but the menu doesn't offer any options or work at all except for the on/off toggle.
The CPU runs hot, it is a well known issue and I'm intending to install a heat sink and fan on it.
Several other settings menu items usually found on phones are also missing.
There buttons of course are lit up but the colour options are just 7. There is no way to choose your own colour and I don't know of any app that can do it on this particular model.
So I've opened up the unit and took some pictures before i stuck on a few small heatsinks on the FYT6026 bigger metal heatsink as well as a small fan. I've not taken pictures of what I've done, but you can all suppose how it's set up. It's pretty easy. I've got more closeups of the board for whoever wants to see them, just ask.
Hey @surfer63 or @gtxaspec @xxRaiyanxxYT do you know what the connector circled in red (4 pins) is for? It was not connected to anything in my unit. The other 2 are USB (5 pins) and the one on top (2pins) is microphone.
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Connect those Plugs Red, Green and Blue
Wondering that myself... Could it be power for a fan?
I have the same unused plug in mine.
Any info would be appreciated
Cheers,
xxRaiyanxxYT said:
Connect those Plugs Red, Green and Blue
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What? No you didn't understand. I disconnected the plugs before i took the picture to get a clearer view of the board. The 2 plugs in the Blue circle are both for USB cables that go out from behind the unit, and the green one is for the external microphone which I also use. The one I don't know about is the one in the red circle. it was not connected to anything when I opened the unit and I'd like to know what it might be useful for.
Junior_1967 said:
I have the same unused plug in mine.
Any info would be appreciated
Cheers,
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I was thinking the same thing, I was going to hook the fan up to them but I needed to measure the voltages across those pins and my car is downstairs in the basement and I don't have a proper kit to power the it up on the bench. I would've made one but I was in a hurry yesterday. I need a whole day to mess around with it properly and find out what each part does but right now I'm working through the weekends until the end of the year. Until I get some time like that, I'm trying to gather some more info about it so I won't take it out for nothing (it's a ***** to install this unit back in the car).
Kyle M. said:
I was thinking the same thing, I was going to hook the fan up to them but I needed to measure the voltages across those pins and my car is downstairs in the basement and I don't have a proper kit to power the it up on the bench. I would've made one but I was in a hurry yesterday. I need a whole day to mess around with it properly and find out what each part does but right now I'm working through the weekends until the end of the year. Until I get some time like that, I'm trying to gather some more info about it so I won't take it out for nothing (it's a ***** to install this unit back in the car).
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I will see what I can do.. Running my unit on the bench right now with a CPU power supply...
Might be able to test it tonight.. If not it will go to this weekend I'm afraid..
Junior_1967 said:
I will see what I can do.. Running my unit on the bench right now with a CPU power supply...
Might be able to test it tonight.. If not it will go to this weekend I'm afraid..
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Good stuff, that'd be great, thanks! Which unit have you got? (specs) And have you managed to change the bootloader or flash a custom rom on it? Feel free to share pics of the motherboard.
Kyle M. said:
Good stuff, that'd be great, thanks! Which unit have you got? (specs) And have you managed to change the bootloader or flash a custom rom on it? Feel free to share pics of the motherboard.
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I have the JY-HOS01P4
8.8" 4GB/32GB
No Hardware button at all. Not reset hole.. nada (Will make it easier to weatherproof.. )
Will at some point put a heatsink on it.. But being single DIN the room is limited...
So far I have only have it rooted and JET installed on it.
I do not think I will mess with the bootloader/custom ROM as it does pretty much what I want out of the box.
Testing different software now.
And the unit will be installed in my HD Roadglide.
So basically the sound output will be 2 fold:
Speakers driven by an external AMP so I can shut of sound by turn the amp off thru the settings
Bluetooth comms headset connected to a bluetooth transmitter taking it's input from RCA jacks
My requirements are the following:
Launcher: CarWebGuru
Radio -> will use stock app
MP3 -> Still testing players but for now I'm happy with google play music
GPS -> Osmand+ with data on SD card
Phone-> Android Auto + Headunit Reloaded (will finish testing and probably will buy.. Do not link ZLink.. even thought it works sort of ok) At this point I'm able to dial/see the phone on the radio and hear/talk with my BT headset
That is pretty much it.. Might attempt to put a DVR at some point...
I'll take a pic tonight of the board but aside from the location of that big capacitor (Mine is beside the wall of the radio) it is pretty much the same as yours.
Junior_1967 said:
I have the JY-HOS01P4
8.8" 4GB/32GB
No Hardware button at all. Not reset hole.. nada (Will make it easier to weatherproof.. )
Will at some point put a heatsink on it.. But being single DIN the room is limited...
So far I have only have it rooted and JET installed on it.
I do not think I will mess with the bootloader/custom ROM as it does pretty much what I want out of the box.
Testing different software now.
And the unit will be installed in my HD Roadglide.
So basically the sound output will be 2 fold:
Speakers driven by an external AMP so I can shut of sound by turn the amp off thru the settings
Bluetooth comms headset connected to a bluetooth transmitter taking it's input from RCA jacks
My requirements are the following:
Launcher: CarWebGuru
Radio -> will use stock app
MP3 -> Still testing players but for now I'm happy with google play music
GPS -> Osmand+ with data on SD card
Phone-> Android Auto + Headunit Reloaded (will finish testing and probably will buy.. Do not link ZLink.. even thought it works sort of ok) At this point I'm able to dial/see the phone on the radio and hear/talk with my BT headset
That is pretty much it.. Might attempt to put a DVR at some point...
I'll take a pic tonight of the board but aside from the location of that big capacitor (Mine is beside the wall of the radio) it is pretty much the same as yours.
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Ah I see, so what they're doing is basically hooking up a different screen to the same single-din box. Have you had any issues with the wifi since the last update?
Kyle M. said:
Ah I see, so what they're doing is basically hooking up a different screen to the same single-din box. Have you had any issues with the wifi since the last update?
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I have not seen any issues.. Mind you I only have an internal network.. Still waiting for internet to be installed ^%@%#
I had to hotspot my phone for connectivity when needed but it is chewing my data!!!
I did all my downloads from work and brought the files/apk home to install.
What kind of issues are you seeing?
Which version of the latest do you have? the first 2018-11-7 or the 2nd 2018-11?
(I hate how the have they same file name.. Joying is pretty bad naming stuff...)
Hi,
I tested the header last night and got nothing. 0 power
Now, I have not had the time to play with the settings in the radio so I do not know if something would turn that on.
Cheers,
haven't tested it myself, but from my memory this red-circled connector has something to do with audio (either Ins or Outs).
Here is the picture of the inside of the single DIN unit
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dnf4p64l5a1gizc/20181212_202622.jpg?dl=0
Cheers
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Which version of the latest do you have? the first 2018-11-7 or the 2nd 2018-11?
(I hate how the have they same file name.. Joying is pretty bad naming stuff...)
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I didn't realise they published the 2018-11. I downloaded the previous update, 2018-11-7. I think they published the second one after the first november update gave us issues and somehow forgot to put the full date on it. I'll try flashing that update at some point and see what happens.