Why is the OP3T so much faster than the Pixel XL? Yeah, let's have this conversation.
Review after review (including XDA's own) has shown that the OnePlus 3T (and sometimes the OnePlus 3)outpaces the Pixel XL in synthetic benchmarks. Just have a look at this nice comparison put together by PhoneArena: [url]http://www.phonearena.com/phones/OnePlus-3T_id10313/benchmarks[/URL]
Aside from the BaseMark OS II benchmark, the Pixel and Pixel XL, despite having very similar hardware, are beaten in almost every performance-measuring test. If we have such similar hardware, why is this happening? Could it be the new F2FS file system on the OP3T? Or the faster CPU clocks? Maybe Oxygen OS? What about a different CPU governor? But why then does the older OP3 perform similarly?
Even the Moto Z outpaces the Pixel in storage benchmarks. This topic is investigated here. With a different filesystem and some software trickery, the Pixel's storage speed might be bolstered immensely.
Listen, the Pixel is a seriously fast phone. Coming from my Nexus 5X, it's night and day. It's easily the best phone I've ever used. Period. But I can't help wonder some of the questions above. Perhaps the real question is, can we get the Pixel to match the performance of the OP3T?
I own both, the one plus is super nice and thin as far as performance goes there is no noticable difference in speed during real world usage. What i notice and long for is the brightness of the one plus screen is so much brighter than my pixel xl
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But a simple answer would be we have the same processor but the pixel is factory underclocked , you want the same bench mark results simply root and overclock/ normalize your process speed
OP3T and Pixel do not have the same processor. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that uses the same power at a higher clock speed (OP3T) and one that uses less power at the same clock speed as the 820 (Pixel/Pixel XL). Additionally the OP3T has a 1080P screen which will also help with benchmarks.
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OP3T and Pixel do not have the same processor. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that uses the same power at a higher clock speed (OP3T) and one that uses less power at the same clock speed as the 820 (Pixel/Pixel XL). Additionally the OP3T has a 1080P screen which will also help with benchmarks.
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Bingo! Our screen has a much higher resolution. Its not a fair apples to apples comparison.
Google also reduced the clock speed (slightly 200mhz I believe) to help maintain great battery performance.
A pentile screen at 1080p is wrong
How does the OP3T battery life compare to the Pixel XL considering the underclocked 821 but higher screen resolution of the XL?
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OP3T and Pixel do not have the same processor. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that uses the same power at a higher clock speed (OP3T) and one that uses less power at the same clock speed as the 820 (Pixel/Pixel XL). Additionally the OP3T has a 1080P screen which will also help with benchmarks.
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How does the OP3T battery life compare to the Pixel XL considering the underclocked 821 but higher screen resolution of the XL?
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https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/21/oneplus-3t-review/
According to Engadget "It lasted 16 hours and seven minutes on Engadget's battery test, which involves looping an HD video with the screen set to 50 percent brightness until the device conks out. That's almost six hours more than the OnePlus 3's runtime, and two hours longer than the Google Pixel XL, which has a 3,450mAh bank."
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A pentile screen at 1080p is wrong
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LOL there is a phone called Google Pixel.
On topic though, yes I have seen that OP3T is significantly faster than the Pixel and Pixel XL both, I don't know how, but rather than incredibly fast app opening times I would rather take a phone which performs smooth consistently, for as long as a phone stays at/near 60 frames, the better. From all the videos I have watched I noticed that OP3's default animation scale is set to a much lower rate than the Pixel.
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What i notice and long for is the brightness of the one plus screen is so much brighter than my pixel xl
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Really?
The original OP3's LCD screen was dimmer than the Pixel Xl and I thought the new OP3 had the same screen as the original?
Anyhow, if you want a brighter Pixel XL screen... then you might consider rooting and then installing ElementalX kernel + the High Brightness Widget mod.
This combo will get you the same extra high brightness as the Samsung Note 7's auto-brightness when the HBM gets activated.
I don't know about that but I do know side by side it's visibly brighter. You can see below OPO 3t is blown out where as the pixel is exposed properly due to it letting off a smaller amount of light
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I don't know about that but I do know side by side it's visibly brighter. You can see below OPO 3t is blown out where as the pixel is exposed properly due to it letting off a smaller amount of light
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Gross.
I think you're confusing a blown out contrast/black level with a properly calibrated contrast/black level as being "brighter".
Contrast ratio vs black level
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/contrast-ratio-vs-black-level#JZuzUY7MzQgEb0T6.97
Yeah, the Pixel is waaaay better in that picture.
No buddy the screen looks great to the naked eye. you don't understand how cameras work, It's hard to show simple brightness in a picture. The reason it looks that way in the image is that it's letting off so much light that my camera settings over expose the image, but due to my pixel not letting off as much light it showed up perfectly fine in the image. There fore proving my point that the OPO 3t gets brighter than the pixel . With that said, They are both gorgeous displays
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Bingo! Our screen has a much higher resolution. Its not a fair apples to apples comparison.
Google also reduced the clock speed (slightly 200mhz I believe) to help maintain great battery performance.
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I don't really think firing the extra pixels is the whole reason behind the staggering difference in performance. Definitely during gaming, but app loading times, file transfers, raw CPU horsepower (crunching numbers) hardly have anything to do with the resolution of the screen.
I personally use both side by side as well. I have 2 pixel XL's and a 128gb OP3T.. after 3 weeks, in my humble opinion the pixel is much better and much smoother and faster than the OP3T..
I just can not emphasize enough what Google has done with the optimization of the software for the hardware with the pixel. It is just the smoothest nicest fastest beast of a device out there. And the pixel flat footed walkes all over my op3t when it comes to battery and camera.. not even a comparison.
Is the pixel XL worth the extra $400??? Depends what's important to you.. if camera and battery life, then yes.. even my iPhone 7 plus can't keep up with my pixels in those categories..
So yes, while the OP3T may be clocked slightly faster and has more ram... Day to day it is NOT faster than the pixel XL.
Btw, I do love the thin feel and build of the OP3T though.. and the front facing finger print reader!
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I personally use both side by side as well. I have 2 pixel XL's and a 128gb OP3T.. after 3 weeks, in my humble opinion the pixel is much better and much smoother and faster than the OP3T..
I just can not emphasize enough what Google has done with the optimization of the software for the hardware with the pixel. It is just the smoothest nicest fastest beast of a device out there. And the pixel flat footed walkes all over my op3t when it comes to battery and camera.. not even a comparison.
Is the pixel XL worth the extra $400??? Depends what's important to you.. if camera and battery life, then yes.. even my iPhone 7 plus can't keep up with my pixels in those categories..
So yes, while the OP3T may be clocked slightly faster and has more ram... Day to day it is NOT faster than the pixel XL.
Btw, I do love the thin feel and build of the OP3T though.. and the front facing finger print reader!
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Loving reading things like this. There is no better source than people that have used both phones day in and day out.
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Just because of this, we will now have a non EAS kernel
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Dope!
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Loving reading things like this. There is no better source than people that have used both phones day in and day out.
Dope!
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K, it will be up shortly R19.NOEAS, may need some tuning
I haven't used both however with the DU rom recently released which admittedly is the first time I benchmarked this phone I beat out the OP3 every time. Here's a ranking shot from last night on antutu
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K, it will be up shortly R19.NOEAS, may need some tuning
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You da man!
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I haven't used both however with the DU rom recently released which admittedly is the first time I benchmarked this phone I beat out the OP3 every time. Here's a ranking shot from last night on antutu
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Interesting.. And I was actually considering flashing DU soon. Or perhaps UberStock.
drmanhattan said:
I own both, the one plus is super nice and thin as far as performance goes there is no noticable difference in speed during real world usage. What i notice and long for is the brightness of the one plus screen is so much brighter than my pixel xl
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But a simple answer would be we have the same processor but the pixel is factory underclocked , you want the same bench mark results simply root and overclock/ normalize your process speed
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Curious, how does the smoothness/fluidity of the OP3T compare to the Pixel? I've used dozens of Android and iPhones over the last 7 years and never has an Android phone been so consistently smooth; it's legitimately iPhone smooth.
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I really couldn't find a place to put this so thought I would ask here. On a Nexus 6p currently, considering the Note 8 or the 5t. I think the biggest difference between the two outside of software is going to be the quality of screen, the 2k on the 5t plus the quad hd on the note 8. has anyone compared their oneplus 5 to say a galaxy s8+, and how crazy is the difference? i've seen the samsung's latest phones in person, but nothing from oneplus, so i honestly don't know how they compare. reading pocketnow or gsmarena they seem to give the 1+ a little flack for not having quad hd screens, but how much that really means to the naked eye i do not know. Thanks for any feedback.
I personally don't see a difference in 1440p vs 1080p (coming from the 6P and Pixel XL to the OP5), so resolution isn't a huge deal to me. The display on this device looks great. I'd also go for the 5/T simply due to the amount of development for it as well.
Reviewers always pick on a device that doesn't have the latest and greatest.
On such small screens it's pretty hard to spot the differences. And it's not like everything becomes jaggy and blurry just because it's Full HD instead of QHD.
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I personally don't see a difference in 1440p vs 1080p (coming from the 6P and Pixel XL to the OP5), so resolution isn't a huge deal to me. The display on this device looks great. I'd also go for the 5/T simply due to the amount of development for it as well.
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Reviewers always pick on a device that doesn't have the latest and greatest.
On such small screens it's pretty hard to spot the differences. And it's not like everything becomes jaggy and blurry just because it's Full HD instead of QHD.
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These two comments are spot on. In recent memory, I've had a note 4, Axon 7, Nexus 6P, S8+, and Pixel XL, Pixel 2XL, all at quad hd on amoled.. I haven't been able to tell any difference between those displays resolution and the displays found on my oneplus 3, oneplus 5, Moto Z Play, and a few other 1080P amoled displays.. The display is too small to notice a difference. Pixel density is still satisfyingly high.
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I personally don't see a difference in 1440p vs 1080p (coming from the 6P and Pixel XL to the OP5), so resolution isn't a huge deal to me. The display on this device looks great. I'd also go for the 5/T simply due to the amount of development for it as well.
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Reviewers always pick on a device that doesn't have the latest and greatest.
On such small screens it's pretty hard to spot the differences. And it's not like everything becomes jaggy and blurry just because it's Full HD instead of QHD.
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These two comments are spot on. In recent memory, I've had a note 4, Axon 7, Nexus 6P, S8+, and Pixel XL, Pixel 2XL, all at quad hd on amoled.. I haven't been able to tell any difference between those displays resolution and the displays found on my oneplus 3, oneplus 5, Moto Z Play, and a few other 1080P amoled displays.. The display is too small to notice a difference. Pixel density is still satisfyingly high.
If you have plans to use vr go for higher display resolution. Or else fhd is perfect for battery life
thanks guys. no VR here anytime soon.
Assuming (and we all are almost certain now) that the leaked images of pixel 3xl are right, and assuming the Chinese manufacturers who started making screen protectors and cases for the P3XL are accurate, i wanted to see how bad the notch could be in real life, and compare sizes with P2xl, so i bought one of the Chinese screen protectors for p3xl and started comparing it to my P2xl.
I can confidentially say that P3xl is 95% or more in size with P2xl, to a level that we can say ITS a P2xl with a screen stretched up around the notch..
You can see in the attached photos, putting the P3xl screen protector over the P2xl screen, the notch is as deep as the top bezel of P2xl, and the bottom bezel is almost identical in each..
Size is also identical, both phones have the same overall size (in screen protector photo over the back of P2xl)
Side bezels are more slimmer for my eyes..
Photos attached should clear everything out..
Thanks for clearing that i dont need to buy pixel 3 this year ?
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What he said!!
This is definitely going to be a dud, sticking with the Pixel 2 XL.
My Pixel 3xl is looking more and more like a OnePlus 6t!
Versus the Pixel 2 XL:
-Most likely a very similar LG P-OLED display (but notched): Nothing groundbreaking
-Still 4GB of RAM: So don't expect less app reloads
-Snapdragon 845: Slightly faster than the Snapdragon 835 in real-life usage, probably not even noticeable in most scenarios
-Supports wireless charging: Cool feature but not exactly a game changer (Coming from a Galaxy S7 edge, I don't miss it)
-Smaller battery
The only question mark that remains is the camera: Will it be vastly superior to the already great Pixel 2 XL camera? I have a strange feeling the hardware (sensor, lenses, etc.) will be the same, with only a tweaked camera app (that will be ported for the Pixel 2 XL anyway)
The more I think about it, the more I struggle to understand why the Pixel 3 XL exists.
It exists for OG Pixel owners to upgrade to.
Phazonclash said:
Versus the Pixel 2 XL:
-Most likely a very similar LG P-OLED display (but notched): Nothing groundbreaking
-Still 4GB of RAM: So don't expect less app reloads
-Snapdragon 845: Slightly faster than the Snapdragon 835 in real-life usage, probably not even noticeable in most scenarios
-Supports wireless charging: Cool feature but not exactly a game changer (Coming from a Galaxy S7 edge, I don't miss it)
The only question mark that remains is the camera: Will it be vastly superior to the already great Pixel 2 XL camera? I have a strange feeling the hardware (sensor, lenses, etc.) will be the same, with only a tweaked camera app (that will be ported for the Pixel 2 XL anyway)
The more I think about it, the more I struggle to understand why the Pixel 3 XL exists.
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Phazonclash said:
Versus the Pixel 2 XL:
-Most likely a very similar LG P-OLED display (but notched): Nothing groundbreaking
-Still 4GB of RAM: So don't expect less app reloads
-Snapdragon 845: Slightly faster than the Snapdragon 835 in real-life usage, probably not even noticeable in most scenarios
-Supports wireless charging: Cool feature but not exactly a game changer (Coming from a Galaxy S7 edge, I don't miss it)
-Smaller battery
The only question mark that remains is the camera: Will it be vastly superior to the already great Pixel 2 XL camera? I have a strange feeling the hardware (sensor, lenses, etc.) will be the same, with only a tweaked camera app (that will be ported for the Pixel 2 XL anyway)
The more I think about it, the more I struggle to understand why the Pixel 3 XL exists.
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Usually people upgrade every 2 years. The Pixel 3 and Pixel 3 XL may not be much better than the Pixel 2 or Pixel 2 XL since they're only a year old, but it's a pretty good upgrade from the original 2 year old Pixel or Pixel XL. Personally I can't wait to get a Pixel 3 XL. It will be a massive upgrade from my dying Nexus 6P.
People ***** and moan about the notch and chin, but I think the Pixel 3 XL is a fine looking device. I guess I'm like one of those parents who thinks their child is adorable even though it's ugly as sin...
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People ***** and moan about the notch and chin, but I think the Pixel 3 XL is a fine looking device.
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Exactly - if you hide the notch via blacking out its "corners", the Pixel 3 XL will look decent - almost like the 2 XL. If there is no default option for this, I'm sure that there will be Substratum overlays to do so.
I won't upgrade my 2 XL this year, this is completely pointless. But if my contract would be due for a new device, I'd definitely get the 3 XL.
The Pixel 3 is simply not worth upgrading from the Pixel 2. We get the camera update, same amount of RAM, the only major change is the processor from 835 to 845. Definitely not worth the money, considering how fast depreciation ocurrs. Most of the High End devices, LGV40, Galaxy S9, Pixel 3, seem to be at a standstill when it comes to any significant upgrades from their successor. The. Previous versions are nearly identical, Qualcomm 835 vs 845 is minimal, camera improvements are insignificant, with possible exception to the LG V40s 5 camera system. Anyone upgrading to latest version from previous versions is wasting money.
Anyone here coming from a pixel 4 xl?
I'm between those 2 devices and I live in Europe. I currently own a pixel 2xl and I'm pretty happy with the pixel experience so far.
For me, the pros of the pixel 4 are the camera obviously , the flat screen and the price (less than 650€ on Amazon)
Pros of the 8 pro are more modern hardware , more versatile camera , better battery and much higher brightness screen.
If someone has owned or used both can give me an opinion? Does the extra cost of 8 pro is justified?
arvylas said:
Anyone here coming from a pixel 4 xl?
I'm between those 2 devices and I live in Europe. I currently own a pixel 2xl and I'm pretty happy with the pixel experience so far.
For me, the pros of the pixel 4 are the camera obviously , the flat screen and the price (less than 650€ on Amazon)
Pros of the 8 pro are more modern hardware , more versatile camera , better battery and much higher brightness screen.
If someone has owned or used both can give me an opinion? Does the extra cost of 8 pro is justified?
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Real pros from the 8 pro to be honest is better battery and better looking ..( and brighter screen)
Otherwise Pixel...
Forgot to mention that I'm not a gamer so I'm not chasing the latest and fastest hardware.
Dual SIM is also something useful for me and I'm not really sure how well pixel manages that with the e-sim.
arvylas said:
Forgot to mention that I'm not a gamer so I'm not chasing the latest and fastest hardware.
Dual SIM is also something useful for me and I'm not really sure how well pixel manages that with the e-sim.
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I've had both. I was surprised how good the 8 pro was, this is my first oneplus device. The fingerprint scanner and face scanner are very fast. The face scanner is instantaneous. The display is beautiful and very bright, and 120hz is just smooth as lighting. The speakers are very good and loud and connecting to Bluetooth is flawless. The phone is very fast with the 865. The battery lasts all day for me, which none of my other phones really ever have. The cameras are pretty damn good. I'm definitely keeping this phone, I (unfortunately) returned the p4xl.
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I've had both. I was surprised how good the 8 pro was, this is my first oneplus device. The fingerprint scanner and face scanner are very fast. The face scanner is instantaneous. The display is beautiful and very bright, and 120hz is just smooth as lighting. The speakers are very good and loud and connecting to Bluetooth is flawless. The phone is very fast with the 865. The battery lasts all day for me, which none of my other phones really ever have. The cameras are pretty damn good. I'm definitely keeping this phone, I (unfortunately) returned the p4xl.
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Hi...
Thanks for your views.
Could you also let us know about the haptic motor feedback on OP8PRO in comparison to Pixel?
I have the pixel 3 and its vibration motor feedback is fantastic.
Thanks
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Thanks for your views.
Could you also let us know about the haptic motor feedback on OP8PRO in comparison to Pixel?
I have the pixel 3 and its vibration motor feedback is fantastic.
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Obviously I don't have either but I think pixel and op are the only Android manufacturers that give attention to haptic feedback and even on the 7 that I have tried is really good. Better than my p2xl.
I had the Pixel4XL and now the OnePlus 8Pro ghere are my opinion:
positive points of the OnePlus 8 Pro:
"unsafe" unlock via the camera works instant, I had to hold the pixel often at an "extra" angle to unlock it
Finance and other critical apps are extra unlocked by the fingerprint
extremely smooth in the handling and the display is nearly perfect
well optimized Android-OS
Fingerprint Sensor
again screen is fantastic
phone design
positive points of the Pixel 4 XL advantages:
Android Updates instant
Camera is probably better, but for my trip and holiday photos the OnePlus 8 Pro is more than great, to be honest I don't see much difference
in very dark rooms the colour image is better / grey problems
itchy67x said:
I had the Pixel4XL and now the OnePlus 8Pro ghere are my opinion:
positive points of the OnePlus 8 Pro:
"unsafe" unlock via the camera works instant, I had to hold the pixel often at an "extra" angle to unlock it
Finance and other critical apps are extra unlocked by the fingerprint
extremely smooth in the handling and the display is nearly perfect
well optimized Android-OS
Fingerprint Sensor
again screen is fantastic
phone design
positive points of the Pixel 4 XL advantages:
Android Updates instant
Camera is probably better, but for my trip and holiday photos the OnePlus 8 Pro is more than great, to be honest I don't see much difference
in very dark rooms the colour image is better / grey problems
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Hi, thanks for the comparison. In your last point do you mean the camera in dark room or the screen? Does the 8 pro screen have issues with low brightness?
What do you think about the battery life of the 2? Is it significant better in 8 pro? Thanks again
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Hi, thanks for the comparison. In your last point do you mean the camera in dark room or the screen? Does the 8 pro screen have issues with low brightness?
What do you think about the battery life of the 2? Is it significant better in 8 pro? Thanks again
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In very dark environment the screen has issues, but if I hadn't read about them I wouldn't probably recognize them
The battery life (in my case with 2 sims) in the OnePlus 8 Pro is much better.
I sold my 4xl to get a oneplus 8 pro and the 8 pro is better in just about every way.
The display is the best ever. It's fast and smooth. It looks and feels better (ok, my opinion). Battery is definitely better. Brightness is crazy good. I can actually see it in sunlight. Not so much with the 4xl.
The 4xl camera is better, but not by much and only certain aspects are better.
Video is better on the 8 pro and I've been loving the wide angle lens which isn't on the 4xl. And the macro is great too..
Regular point and shoot I give to the 4xl but it's close enough not to really matter.
If you're ok with the money, run to the 8 pro. It's an outstanding phone.
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Anyone here coming from a pixel 4 xl?
I'm between those 2 devices and I live in Europe. I currently own a pixel 2xl and I'm pretty happy with the pixel experience so far.
For me, the pros of the pixel 4 are the camera obviously , the flat screen and the price (less than 650€ on Amazon)
Pros of the 8 pro are more modern hardware , more versatile camera , better battery and much higher brightness screen.
If someone has owned or used both can give me an opinion? Does the extra cost of 8 pro is justified?
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I sold my 4xl to get a oneplus 8 pro and the 8 pro is better in just about every way.
The display is the best ever. It's fast and smooth. It looks and feels better (ok, my opinion). Battery is definitely better. Brightness is crazy good. I can actually see it in sunlight. Not so much with the 4xl.
The 4xl camera is better, but not by much and only certain aspects are better.
Video is better on the 8 pro and I've been loving the wide angle lens which isn't on the 4xl. And the macro is great too..
Regular point and shoot I give to the 4xl but it's close enough not to really matter.
If you're ok with the money, run to the 8 pro. It's an outstanding phone.
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For me it is the best phone after the Pixel 2XL at that time.
PS. I use it as my private and work phone
Would you say that the Google Pixel 5 is "fast" in day-to-day use? A higher rating indicates that you think the Google Pixel 5 exhibits fantastic performance. Like, is it as fast as your tears when you watch The Titanic?
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Seems a hair faster and smoother than my 3Xl.
Hard to tell this early.
Coming from a Pixel 2, speed is far greater. Obviously I’ve moved up the game of screen performance too so can’t compare much.
I have used every Samsung for the last few years, then a 7T then and S20 FE, now a Pixel 3 for work and a Pixel 5. I abuse phones, work on them , they are my main work device , and the Pixel 5 is tiny fractions slower than the S20 Ultra when saving or opening large files, but it's meaningless fractions as doesn't slow me down. The balance of speed weight and size though is s delight, the S20 is a brick, ridiculously heavy. Google have got this spot on
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Typing seems slightly laggy sometimes vs my 3xl, but way better at everything else. Odd.
I am quite satisfied with the overall speed, not experiencing any lags so far.
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I have used every Samsung for the last few years, then a 7T then and S20 FE, now a Pixel 3 for work and a Pixel 5. I abuse phones, work on them , they are my main work device , and the Pixel 5 is tiny fractions slower than the S20 Ultra when saving or opening large files, but it's meaningless fractions as doesn't slow me down. The balance of speed weight and size though is s delight, the S20 is a brick, ridiculously heavy. Google have got this spot on
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Hi, I seee you've used a 7T can you give me your opinion comparing it to the Pixel 5?
I've just ordered a Pixel 5 and currently using a Oneplus 7T, I'm a little concerned about my choice, will I miss my 7T when going Pixel 5?
TIA
Sergio
SergioA said:
Hi, I seee you've used a 7T can you give me your opinion comparing it to the Pixel 5?
I've just ordered a Pixel 5 and currently using a Oneplus 7T, I'm a little concerned about my choice, will I miss my 7T when going Pixel 5?
TIA
Sergio
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Everyone is different, the 7T and S20 are excellent phones but my job is working with Google and when you handle the Pixel 5, the smaller size, lighter and great battery it's a joy. I wanted clean Android as well so was an easy choice, but if you are used to huge screens you might miss it I dunno
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Davey Dual Sim said:
Everyone is different, the 7T and S20 are excellent phones but my job is working with Google and when you handle the Pixel 5, the smaller size, lighter and great battery it's a joy. I wanted clean Android as well so was an easy choice, but if you are used to huge screens you might miss it I dunno
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Thanks Davey!
I'm looking for a smaller device so the Pixel 5 just fits perfectly, I'm a bit worried about call quality via the under display speaker and performance of the Snapdragon 765G compared to my "older" 855+
SergioA said:
Thanks Davey!
I'm looking for a smaller device so the Pixel 5 just fits perfectly, I'm a bit worried about call quality via the under display speaker and performance of the Snapdragon 765G compared to my "older" 855+
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As with many of these things they get exaggerated my phone equivalent of pixel peepers
The speakers aren't greet but again it's fine, I spend 3 hours a day on the phone and have no issues
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There! Something just happened! Did you take a picture of it? Rate this thread to express how fast the Google Pixel 5 can go from "zero to picture". A higher rating indicates that launching the camera app and taking a photo is extremely fast such that you never miss an important moment, like when your cat attacks the couch again.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4KUwf2e6E&t=10s
0:10 "Photo processing time without dedicated Pixel/Neural Core. I would like to see the processing time for a NightSight photo vs. Pixel 4."
According to this article, there is no need for the neural core, as the 765G has its own Computer Vision Image Signal Processor and a Hexagon-DSP: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-5-snapdragon-765g-1163847/
"Given that the Pixel 5 doesn’t include Google’s in-house Pixel Neural Core, it’s probably safe to assume that the 765G offers all the performance Google needs to run its Night Mode, HDR+, Super Res Zoom, and various voice features." - I hope so. Maybe Google simply wanted to keep the price down?
The 4a 5G will process HDR+/NightSight as fast as the Pixel 5, if the Neural Core is no longer needed!
NightSight processing speed without dedicated Neural Core in "Pixel 5 - Quick speed test (Software & Camera)" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsBFNwOSuw&t=55s
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NightSight processing speed without dedicated Neural Core in "Pixel 5 - Quick speed test (Software & Camera)" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsBFNwOSuw&t=55s
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I was a little worried that the camera might be slower than my 3XL, but based on this video it should be about the same.
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NightSight processing speed without dedicated Neural Core in "Pixel 5 - Quick speed test (Software & Camera)" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsBFNwOSuw&t=55s
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That is certainly noticeably slower than my Pixel 2 XL.
jimv1983 said:
That is certainly noticeably slower than my Pixel 2 XL.
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I don't know what you are doing on yours but my 2XL certainly takes longer for night sight pictures
Benjamin_L said:
I don't know what you are doing on yours but my 2XL certainly takes longer for night sight pictures
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My Pixel 2 XL does both night sight and just regular HDR pictures faster than what the video of the Pixel 5 shows. It's a very noticeable difference.
It makes sense considering the Snapdragon 765 is only slightly better than the Snapdragon 835 in some ways and actually worse in some ways and the Pixel 5 doesn't have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core like previous Pixels had that helped image processing.
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My Pixel 2 XL does both night sight and just regular HDR pictures faster than what the video of the Pixel 5 shows. It's a very noticeable difference.
It makes sense considering the Snapdragon 765 is only slightly better than the Snapdragon 835 in some ways and actually worse in some ways and the Pixel 5 doesn't have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core like previous Pixels had that helped image processing.
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But the 765G has AI included so you can't say the PNC make the 2XL faster, as the same calculations can now be performed in the cpu at roughly the same speed or maybe faster. Also single and multicore performance is higher so I would doubt it's slower than the 2XL. It also depends a lot on the lighting conditions and if they are not good my 2XL is certainly slower than in the video.
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But the 765G has AI included so you can't say the PNC make the 2XL faster, as the same calculations can now be performed in the cpu at roughly the same speed or maybe faster. Also single and multicore performance is higher so I would doubt it's slower than the 2XL. It also depends a lot on the lighting conditions and if they are not good my 2XL is certainly slower than in the video.
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That video showed several pictures being taken not just night sight. When he went to view the picture you can see the progress on processing the picture. My Pixel 2 XL does that noticably faster. A lot of it happens in the background so not a huge deal but the difference certainly is noticable.
I'm not sure what you are talking about but the Snapdragon 765G does not have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core type of processing built in. That was very specific Google hardware designed to be optimized for the very specific purpose of computational photography. The Pixel 5 is certainly at a disadvantage there. Also, benchmarks don't mean much for real world usage. If you really want to get a good idea of what the Pixel 5 performance will be watch some reviews of the OnePlus Nord which has the same processor and is almost stock Android. That doesn't necessarily mean the Pixel 5 will be as slow as the OnePlus Nord due to software differences but it certainly will be close.
My Pixel 2 XL battery life is getting pretty bad and it will be losing updates after December so it's time to get something new. I didn't want to lose that pure Google software experience so I decided to give the Pixel 5 a shot but if the performance is as poor as the One Plus Nord I'll be returning it. The slower photo processing is something I can live with.
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I'm not sure what you are talking about but the Snapdragon 765G does not have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core type of processing built in. That was very specific Google hardware designed to be optimized for the very specific purpose of computational photography. The Pixel 5 is certainly at a disadvantage there.
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The PNC is just a co-processor for machine learning/AI stuff. The 765G has similar AI TOPS as the pvc/pnc so a dedicated co-processor is not needed anymore. I don't know why people are going crazy about redundant hardware:
https://m.gsmarena.com/the_new_pixe...nt_mean_they_lack_the_features-news-45589.php
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The PNC is just a co-processor for machine learning/AI stuff. The 765G has similar AI TOPS as the pvc/pnc so a dedicated co-processor is not needed anymore. I don't know why people are going crazy about redundant hardware:
https://m.gsmarena.com/the_new_pixe...nt_mean_they_lack_the_features-news-45589.php
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The PVC and PNC were very specialized and optimized for a specific purpose. The co-processor of the 765G is more genetic. I guess that's better than nothing but it's not going to give you the same benefits as the specialized cores. If the genetic co-processor was good enough then the co-processor in the SD 855 in the Pixel 4, which is better than the co-processor in the SD 765, would have made the Pixel Neural Core in the Pixel 4 totally unnecessary.
There have already been reviews showing the camera app and the dual manual exposure controls that were in the Pixel 4 are missing which is likely due to not having the PNC.
It's unclear by the videos that have come out of the Pixel 5 has live HDR view but considering the fact that the Pixel 3 had a SD 845 (which is pretty comparable to the 765G) and the PVC but not the PNC and couldn't handle live HDR view and dual exposure controls I think it's probably likely that the Pixel 5 doesn't have either feature.
To summarize, SD 845 (which is better than the 765G) + PVC = Can't support HDR live view or dual exposure controls. That means 765G = No HDR live view or dual exposure controls.
So obviously the PNC is a big loss.
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The PVC and PNC were very specialized and optimized for a specific purpose. The co-processor of the 765G is more genetic. I guess that's better than nothing but it's not going to give you the same benefits as the specialized cores. If the genetic co-processor was good enough then the co-processor in the SD 855 in the Pixel 4, which is better than the co-processor in the SD 765, would have made the Pixel Neural Core in the Pixel 4 totally unnecessary.
There have already been reviews showing the camera app and the dual manual exposure controls that were in the Pixel 4 are missing which is likely due to not having the PNC.
It's unclear by the videos that have come out of the Pixel 5 has live HDR view but considering the fact that the Pixel 3 had a SD 845 (which is pretty comparable to the 765G) and the PVC but not the PNC and couldn't handle live HDR view and dual exposure controls I think it's probably likely that the Pixel 5 doesn't have either feature.
To summarize, SD 845 (which is better than the 765G) + PVC = Can't support HDR live view or dual exposure controls. That means 765G = No HDR live view or dual exposure controls.
So obviously the PNC is a big loss.
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What are you even talking about. Even the 4a has dual exposure and live hdr making all your points void. The PNC was used to support face unlock in the 4 as it was most likely very demanding to be quick. There are years of development between the 835 and the 765G. You just can't say as single or multi core performance is comparable they have the same features. Maybe do some research first
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What are you even talking about. Even the 4a has dual exposure and live hdr making all your points void. The PNC was used to support face unlock in the 4 as it was most likely very demanding to be quick. There are years of development between the 835 and the 765G. You just can't say as single or multi core performance is comparable they have the same features. Maybe do some research first
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I didn't compare to the 835 I compared to the 845. The 765G falls somewhere between the 835 and 845 in performance and capabilities. The Pixel 3, with the 845 with the PVC couldn't handle live HDR or the dual exposure controls. That's why the features weren't on the Pixel 3. That was in a statement from Google.
Snapdragon 845 + Pixel Visual Core > Snapdragon 765G. So to say that the Pixel 5, which has worse processors than the Pixel 3 can do things that the Pixel 3 can't do is just a lack of common sense.
If the Pixel 5 does have those features with a worse chip than the 845 and no PNC then why didn't the Pixel 3 have those features? Did Google lie?
Also, if the dual exposure controls are available on the Pixel 5 then why are the sliders used to control that feature missing from the camera app?
Here is a picture of the camera app of the Pixel 4 and Pixel 5. Notice that the Pixel 4 has the exposure controls while the Pixel 5 does not.
You cant judge the camera on the Pixel 5 initial hands on. It is clearly not final software. reviewers have mentioned not all features are present. Hence the embargo from Google. They do not want reviews based on incomplete software.
You can't seriously believe the 5 will not get a feature the 4a has. It's even mentioned on the compare pixel devices website.
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You cant judge the camera on the Pixel 5 initial hands on. It is clearly not final software. reviewers have mentioned not all features are present. Hence the embargo from Google. They do not want reviews based on incomplete software.
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I don't think the embargo is because of unfinished software but let's say that's true. Do you you really think software that close to final would be that much slower than any update that might be available the first time you turn it on? The image processing in those hands on videos is so much slower than what I'm getting on my Pixel 2 XL that it's clearly obvious. Any software improvements would have to speed up image processing by close to double for the Pixel 5 to process images faster than my Pixel 2 XL does not.
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You can't seriously believe the 5 will not get a feature the 4a has. It's even mentioned on the compare pixel devices website.
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So I guess they must have moved the exposure controls somewhere else? As you can see in the screen shots I posted the Pixel 4 XL has the exposure sliders but in the other picture those sliders are clearly not there.
Also, as I already mentioned it would mean that Google wasn't being honest when it gave the reason why those features weren't added to the Pixel 3.
I guess we'll find out soon enough. It's delivery day for many UK buyers
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I don't think the embargo is because of unfinished software but let's say that's true. Do you you really think software that close to final would be that much slower than any update that might be available the first time you turn it on? The image processing in those hands on videos is so much slower than what I'm getting on my Pixel 2 XL that it's clearly obvious. Any software improvements would have to speed up image processing by close to double for the Pixel 5 to process images faster than my Pixel 2 XL does not.
So I guess they must have moved the exposure controls somewhere else? As you can see in the screen shots I posted the Pixel 4 XL has the exposure sliders but in the other picture those sliders are clearly not there.
Also, as I already mentioned it would mean that Google wasn't being honest when it gave the reason why those features weren't added to the Pixel 3.
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Just received the phone - I can confirm exposure control is present out of the box. There is an update to the camera app pending also.
Speed of processing is very similar to my Pixel 2 XL.
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Just received the phone - I can confirm exposure control is present out of the box. There is an update to the camera app pending also.
Speed of processing is very similar to my Pixel 2 XL.
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Was there an update as soon as you set it up? Are the exposure controls moved somewhere else compared to the Pixel 4? Did you have to enable them in settings? I didn't see that option in videos of the camera settings but the videos didn't show the advanced settings. Maybe they just have to be enabled.
I'm just trying to figure out why all the videos I've seen of the Pixel 4/Pixel 4 XL show the sliders but all the videos of the Pixel 5 have the sliders missing.
So I guess Google was lying about why the Pixel 3 didn't get live HDR view and dual exposure controls. That's interesting.
The exposure controls are there without having to turn them on. The sliders appear when you tap on the screen to set your focus. Not sure if that is different to 4/XL.
The camera app update is available as soon as you set up the phone. This made some tweaks to the UI and I think the different stabilisation modes including cinematic pan.