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Just read a tweet from Eldar murtazin, who is generally well informed, and today he wrote sonething very disturbing.
Samsung seems to have stopped the production on the wave and the galaxy s due to super amoled screen shortage.
This is nothing short of a disaster for all of us hoping to see the galaxy s being supported with froyo and beyond i guess. (or even cyanogenmod for that matter...)
I really hope this is just a temporarely thing, just as with the droid incedible....what do you guys think?
cant produce the phone when there is no screens for it... so ofc they will once they have a stock
In this case, sell the phone. No big deal.
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this is their best selling phone, and the only real competition againts iphone
i doubt they will stop producing it completely
it'll just be on hold until they get more stock of SAMOLED
they did the same to HTC Desire
but instead of waiting for new stock HTC decided to use another type of screen
as soon as HTC did the change the Desire suddently became less desirable
@allgamer
I hope you are right about that but this would explain why you cant find any SGS here in Edmonton or in Canada at all from what I understand which sucks if you brick and need replacement, etc.
Also, do you think that this issue will delay the FROYO release to those of us who already have the phone?
according to Eldar, they sold their last batch of SAMOLED screens to Apple, who is making a product for next year with our screens in it!
now, i really hate Apple!
they see that retina alone isn't enough, so close the deal with Sammy!
i hope this won't kill Samsungs ambitions to become the biggest brand above Nokia!
yes, they are mostly back ordered even in Toronto as well, the sales are good, it's like iphone always sold out.
froyo has nothing to do with the factory side
froyo will come when the coders are done fixing the bugs and get things working properly
Don't worry about it too much.. Apple has product shortages all the time. More screens will be made. Really, don't worry about it too much..
"ANYMORE" is not the word! Why make such confusion?
Its a break in production due to shortage of SAMOLED screens.
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andrewluecke said:
Don't worry about it too much.. Apple has product shortages all the time. More screens will be made. Really, don't worry about it too much..
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You actually believe that? Apple does it deliberately to make the product more desirable, simple as. They like to see people queueing up 12 hours before a product is launched outside of their shops, good publicity etc.
As the the Super AMOLED rumour, it is just that, a rumour, like most things I see written on the internet. Isn't it samsung who actually produce these screens? And there is a shortage? I dont buy it...
Then again though, I wouldnt trust samdung as far as I could throw them.
That would explain shortage of SGS in Poland.... Especially with one carrier that has best prices for it.... I'm searching this phone for about 1,5 months...
by the way, this can't be true anyways
else the new launch this month on Rogers network will fail completely if that was true
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=792270
They will probably switch to the sony slcd screens
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then it'll be a waste, it'll go the way the Desire did, and it will cease to be a Galaxy S
it'll probably be released as a new model Galaxy sub S
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They will probably switch to the sony slcd screens
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Have you seen a desire with the SLCD screen? I prefer them to the AMOLED ones, they are a genuine 480x800 resolution and look sharper, and the colours are not much different IMO. Apparently they are worse on battery power though, despite the claims to the contrary...
tameracingdriver said:
Have you seen a desire with the SLCD screen? I prefer them to the AMOLED ones, they are a genuine 480x800 resolution and look sharper, and the colours are not much different IMO. Apparently they are worse on battery power though, despite the claims to the contrary...
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AMOLED or SAMOLED? The AMOLED (like the Nexus One) are pretty disappointing in the long run, SAMOLED (like the Galaxy S) hasn't disappointed me even after a few months of owning it.
Isn't the real "strength" of the SAMOLED screen the contrast ratios and the inky blacks...? Will SLCD ever be able to match that because of the back or side lighting needed to actually illuminate the screen?
It's probably just a shortage, they couldn't keep up with HTC's demand for it, and they probably can;t keep up with their own...maybe they didn't truly believe the SGS would be such a success
Logicalstep
I was told from the importers/Saturn that Samsung Galaxy S were empty and Samsung are going to make more Samsung Galaxy S. They told me that people were crazy for Samsung Galaxy S and that's why the stock were empty.
the news and my phone store sources confirms the same, the SGS just sells really really good.
the 16 GB model is always the hardest to get, i did post a topic about it a while back
8 GB models are easier to find, but who would want less?
same reason why 8 GB are easier to find than the 16 GB models
now of course, for Cellphone carriers models those sizes are locked, you don't really get to chose
only the unlocked models you can choose to buy in 8 or 16
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AMOLED or SAMOLED? The AMOLED (like the Nexus One) are pretty disappointing in the long run, SAMOLED (like the Galaxy S) hasn't disappointed me even after a few months of owning it.
Isn't the real "strength" of the SAMOLED screen the contrast ratios and the inky blacks...? Will SLCD ever be able to match that because of the back or side lighting needed to actually illuminate the screen?
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"Samsung's Super AMOLED is a variant of AMOLED technology in which the layer which detects touch is integrated into the touchscreen display rather than being overlaid on top. This results in a thinner device and improved outdoor performance."
LCD tech will never be able to match AMOLED blacks, but there's still the "issue" with PenTile RGBR matrix. Red font on black for instance? Looks horrible. Text in general is its achilles heel. Video, images (well, not B&W perhaps ) and graphics looks amazing though.
I have my Galaxy Note for 10 weeks and after using it always with 100% brightness there are aging effects.
Specially at blue backgrounds, but also at white and gray I can see the home screen icons, the clock and some buttons from jelly defense (I played jelly defense 3 weeks daily 2 hours) shining darker. (you can see it on the photo)
Now my Galaxy Note is in service for screen changing.
But what can I do in the future to avoid this aging effects? 80% brightness, 90% brightness?
Samsung didn't know this problems (I'll not believe it).
Has anyone practical experience with this problem?
Typically Blue pixels age the fastest. So pick a warm/red background. Avoid 100% brightness. Use auto if possible. Avoid leave screen on for prolonged period. Avoid static text or icon on the screen for too long. Basically the same care you would do to a Plasma TV except even the plasma TV screen(around 80,000 to 100,000 hrs) lasts 10 times longer than the AMOLED screen (estimated around 10,000 to 20,000 hrs).
Looks like you've discovered amoleds dirty little secret. I avoid pixel burnout by using launchers that auto hide the notification bar as well as browsers that allow you to hide the navigation bar such as opera. Opera let's you browse in fill screen mode.
I often refrain from using apps that show static images for long periods of time. I try to use the browser for everything that can be done through the regular Web portal of a site.
There is no way of getting around static images in apps unless the Dev accounts for it. Some devs are aware of amoled burn out and have options to hide navigation bars.
Ultimately you have to be mindful of static images and make sure to either avoid them on your screen for prolonged periods of time or remember to rotate your screen.
This is why I'm not looking forward to virtual buttons on ICS. It will destroy amoled screens for sure. Hopefully Samsung will retain physical button(s)
10 weeks is a pretty short life time, My friend's Nexus One (1yr++) does not have the very slightest hint of screen aging why my the galaxy S2 that I used for just 2 months already had the AM/PM burned in.
Its normal for OLED screens to age but it should not be this fast, this is probably why apple is not looking into OLED screens as the quality and or lifespan could be problematic.
There are some manufacturing defects. Some screens are just fade faster than others. But in general, if you know how to take good care of your screen, it will last a long time. My old Galaxy S lasted over a year without any noticeable burn-in. My new Galaxy S2 has been 4 months w/o any problem.
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There are some manufacturing defects. Some screens are just fade faster than others. But in general, if you know how to take good care of your screen, it will last a long time. My old Galaxy S lasted over a year without any noticeable burn-in. My new Galaxy S2 has been 4 months w/o any problem.
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like the part where you say "noticeable"
no matter how much you try to take care of it. It will happen. Its already there. (Depends to which degree)
My advice apart those ones about hiding the element that are always present.
Do not look for a screen burn in. Or do not look at the ****ty quality of the AMOLED. When you would look on for example on grey/ brown background easiest to spot when going to the marker you would notice the differences between the different parts of the screen. Its not perfectly even from the time its build. The color is displayed in different shades usually presenting itself in "lines".
Had my Note for 1 hour and I noticed it. Brand new.
But then again I know what to look for (proud owner of Galaxy S) and where to look for it.
I bought this device for the resolution and power. Not for the screen build quality
When I say 'noticeable', I meant to use screen test patterns. Last time I did that with my Galaxy S, I don't see any burn in with the test patterns at all. But I agree one should not purposfully sort after the burn in. It will always be there. But I also don't need live in panic. The great contrast of the screen (or infinite black) outweights any shortcomings it has. Side by side with an iPhone 4/4s, I simply can't stand the foggy looking screen of the LCD on iPhones. Every iPhone owners I encounter liked my SAMOLE screen better.
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But then again I know what to look for (proud owner of Galaxy S) and where to look for it.
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Hello fellow Galaxy S owner, This is the phone that brought up my standards and expectation for a SAMOLED device. I never saw any lines/uneven screen brightness and other garbage on my Galaxy S, even on greys. So this has brought up my expectation for a very high level which was crushed by the Galaxy Note's screen.
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I bought this device for the resolution and power. Not for the screen build quality
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Good for you, I bought the device as a while package with the top concern about screen build quality and as an HD playback device which it does not meet the purpose
Just a quick tip I picked up from someone else on this site (I forget now who it was, sorry). Change your clock from 12 to 24 hour every now and then (and visa versa), it shifts all the icons along a little
This is both an interesting and depressing post to find. I was so excited to order my International Note soon, but now I'm super paranoid about screen aging. I've read so much conflicting information about it online, I don't even know what to believe anymore.
Featherbeard said:
This is both an interesting and depressing post to find. I was so excited to order my International Note soon, but now I'm super paranoid about screen aging. I've read so much conflicting information about it online, I don't even know what to believe anymore.
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In terms of lifespan, LCDs still trump amoleds. That's a fact you'll have to live with.
No screen technology is perfect. SAMOLED for the moment has the problem that pixels decrease in brightness with ussage. So try to minimize the amount of light you get off the screen. That will also give you more battery life.
Try to use black backgrounds, and white text on black background if the application allows it. Of course if you spend 3 hours a day on a game with static icons and menus, that will wear some pixels more than others and you'll end up with something like the OP.
If you go looking for small variations of color, you're going to find them. But the superior brightness and contrast of a SAMOLED screen wins me over. Even when I know its effemeral and will degrade with time. But anyway, who keeps a phone more than 2 years?
Yeah, but I just found this information for the first time today, which is why I'm so depressed. I'm a digital artist so having a nice little on-the-go sketchpad has me super excited, but also worried because of the screen. Expansys tells me there's a 2 year warranty, but I don't know how that would work on an international phone if the screen goes bad...
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vcespon : Yeah, I normally keep the brightness on my Atrix down quite low anyways. The max brightness setting is *blindingly* bright. As for the 'who keeps a phone more then 2 years", I had my iphone 3gs for quite awhile thank you very much. That and if I spend 600-700 bucks on this baby I want it to last! If I get at the very least a year to a year and a half out of the screen I'll be somewhat happy, though closer to 2 would be better obviously. I wonder what the long-term outlook is for the life of these screens anyways. Does anyone know the mean-time-before-failure for them?
I would also try using black backgrounds or dark themes on as many apps as possible also. Like tapatalk or k9 for instance.
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I wonder what the long-term outlook is for the life of these screens anyways. Does anyone know the mean-time-before-failure for them?
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I think there are some references how long the pixels "live". You should google. Even though Samsung said that they used new materials to build the displays.
I can tell you one thing you get used to the inferior screen in time.(Few rants not and then) So I wouldn't worry about that. If it really fails you. Meaning someone else will notice something wrong on the screen no just you. Claim warranty
Also to pointing out. There is shor-term memory effect as well. I think I already posted some bad quality pics here about that from my SGS. > http://goo.gl/URYzm I do not remember if this is a burn it or just the memory effect. I think its the memory bla bla. Second pic is best.
Thanks for the information! I think I remembered someone saying that the short-term memory effect gets better over time as well. I'm mostly worried about the screen quality as I plan on doing a lot of sketching on it, which kind of sucks because it'll most likely be using a light-colored background then. :\ I wonder if the AT&T version will have the exact same screens or if they'll be a slightly updated version. I guess not considering AMOLED is still AMOLED.
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I think there are some references how long the pixels "live". You should google. Even though Samsung said that they used new materials to build the displays.
I can tell you one thing you get used to the inferior screen in time.(Few rants not and then) So I wouldn't worry about that. If it really fails you. Meaning someone else will notice something wrong on the screen no just you. Claim warranty
Also to pointing out. There is shor-term memory effect as well. I think I already posted some bad quality pics here about that from my SGS. > http://goo.gl/URYzm I do not remember if this is a burn it or just the memory effect. I think its the memory bla bla. Second pic is best.
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Featherbeard said:
Thanks for the information! I think I remembered someone saying that the short-term memory effect gets better over time as well. I'm mostly worried about the screen quality as I plan on doing a lot of sketching on it, which kind of sucks because it'll most likely be using a light-colored background then. :\ I wonder if the AT&T version will have the exact same screens or if they'll be a slightly updated version. I guess not considering AMOLED is still AMOLED.
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You worry too much. And you do not even have that phone yet.
First of all not sure how its in your country, but here you can return in if you dont like it in a week I think.
Also if it becomes really apparent you really can go to a service center. I do not remember someone saying that samsung refused to change the screen.
Also I was ranting here already a year ago about the Galaxy S. I hate SAMOLED soo much since I got the SGS (18 months ago). I own an iPhone 4 and love retina and SLCD. And yet bought the Galaxy Note as well (despite the fact I knew how faulty it will be and how I will hate it )
Hey, I'm paranoid! I *really* get upset when I get a device that either isn't stable or has something wrong or defective about it. (Especially something that costs this much!) I'm in the US and am debating ordering through Expansys (USA), and I've heard they have I believe it was a 2 year warranty, but I have a feeling I'd have to send it to Expansys and have them take care of it if something went wrong. I can't see Samsung handling an international phone's repair in the US?
Aren't we strange with how we buy our gadgets? We know we will hate something and yet still buy it.
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Hey, I'm paranoid! I *really* get upset when I get a device that either isn't stable or has something wrong or defective about it. (Especially something that costs this much!) I'm in the US and am debating ordering through Expansys (USA), and I've heard they have I believe it was a 2 year warranty, but I have a feeling I'd have to send it to Expansys and have them take care of it if something went wrong. I can't see Samsung handling an international phone's repair in the US?
Aren't we strange with how we buy our gadgets? We know we will hate something and yet still buy it.
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All oled displays suffer from amoled burn out. Not much you can do.
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Try to use black backgrounds, and white text on black background if the application allows it.
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Here you can see my homescreen. There is already white text on black background.
But I can see the shadows of the big clock and all icons. The shadows are the white parts of the homescreen; for example the "S" of my S-Banking-App is very visible as a black shadow in all other apps with lighter background (Internet-Browser, ebook-Reader etc..).
And the homescreen is visible only for a few minutes, because when I want to use an app I directly start the app. I don't look so much time to the homescreen and my Galaxy Note goes after one minute in standby mode.
That means only 10 minutes/day homescreen with 100% brightness is enough to damage the screen visible after 10 weeks?
Okay, playing Jelly Defense 2 hours a day at 100% brightness is not so good, but the problem is not the time, because a few minutes looking to the homescreen has nearly the same aging effect.
I believe this is a misprint or typo, but on Sprint's site for the S4, they list the Galaxy S4 as having a Super Amoled Plus screen.
The fact that the display is pentile is the main thing holding me back from pulling the trigger right now on upgrading my Evo 3D to a S4 (When I put my phone side-by-side to a S3 I noticed jaggier edges and a somewhat faint rainbow hue over white areas).
I know this isn't the first time a carrier put a customization on their phone that gave it an advantage over others (like how T-Mobile's S3 had 2 gigs of ram when the others had 1) but going for such a large Super Amoled Plus over Super Amoled screen seems like a rather drastic and expensive customization to make, especially since other than on the stats page I have seen no mention or advertisement of this anywhere else no matter how much I Googled it.
Can anybody confirm or deny this?
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I believe this is a misprint or typo, but on Sprint's site for the S4, they list the Galaxy S4 as having a Super Amoled Plus screen.
The fact that the display is pentile is the main thing holding me back from pulling the trigger right now on upgrading my Evo 3D to a S4 (When I put my phone side-by-side to a S3 I noticed jaggier edges and a somewhat faint rainbow hue over white areas).
I know this isn't the first time a carrier put a customization on their phone that gave it an advantage over others (like how T-Mobile's S3 had 2 gigs of ram when the others had 1) but going for such a large Super Amoled Plus over Super Amoled screen seems like a rather drastic and expensive customization to make, especially since other than on the stats page I have seen no mention or advertisement of this anywhere else no matter how much I Googled it.
Can anybody confirm or deny this?
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From the few specs I have seen on other sites for the Sprint version they do state it as a Plus version. Not hard to believe since the Sprint S2 is a Plus version as well. Not sure whether the other carriers just don't list it that specific or don't have it on their versions. However, it doesn't seem to be a typo by Sprint.
Must just be for marketing. we have a nice microscope at work and I was curious what the pixels looked like up close. They are definitely pentile
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Must just be for marketing. we have a nice microscope at work and I was curious what the pixels looked like up close. They are definitely pentile
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They are both PenTile. The Plus just uses a different arrangement.
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Not hard to believe since the Sprint S2 is a Plus version as well.
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I thought that all of the S2s were Amoled Plus and not pentile?
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Must just be for marketing. we have a nice microscope at work and I was curious what the pixels looked like up close. They are definitely pentile
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Damn, I see
Thanks for confirming it.
Still not sure what phone to get, the fact that the HTC One has no SD slot is a complete deal-breaker for me, but I don't want to get a display that is less sharp than my current two-year old phone, even if its a higher resolution. If the Sprint S4 wasn't pentile then there would be no question.
Cyber Akuma said:
I thought that all of the S2s were Amoled Plus and not pentile?
Damn, I see
Thanks for confirming it.
Still not sure what phone to get, the fact that the HTC One has no SD slot is a complete deal-breaker for me, but I don't want to get a display that is less sharp than my current two-year old phone, even if its a higher resolution. If the Sprint S4 wasn't pentile then there would be no question.
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All I can say is DAMN! This screen is amazing. Completely blows away my S2 and S3. I fired up a movie using directv on it yesterday and was blown away.
So like the title sugests i would like to know if its posible that the note 3 can get burning of the blue subpixels after several months of usage,i want to buy this phone but for me this is a very big drawback beacuse the screen is one of the most important aspects of a smarphone.
My 3 year old SGS has the screen still intact but i can se the pixel degradation but no significant burning just when i put the blue screen i can see a liiitle ghost of the notification bar but very very very dim almost unnoticeable,i have to mention i never used the phone with maximum brightness only in direct sunlight.
I have read some threads about this fact and it seems a general ill amongst the amoled screens so what is the chance i get burning on the note 3?
Thank you!
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So like the title sugests i would like to know if its posible that the note 3 can get burning of the blue subpixels after several months of usage,i want to buy this phone but for me this is a very big drawback beacuse the screen is one of the most important aspects of a smarphone.
My 3 year old SGS has the screen still intact but i can se the pixel degradation but no significant burning just when i put the blue screen i can see a liiitle ghost of the notification bar but very very very dim almost unnoticeable,i have to mention i never used the phone with maximum brightness only in direct sunlight.
I have read some threads about this fact and it seems a general ill amongst the amoled screens so what is the chance i get burning on the note 3?
Thank you!
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Of course can't exist experimental proofs because Note 3 just came out but if we look at s4, can be said that it has less problems in comparison with s3. As you know it depends on many things, even your way to use is relevant..but if your GS3 lasted 3 years (or more), I think that there is no reason why a note 3 should be worse, even because Samsung put BIG efforts on those relevant aspects for the customer
Strif3 said:
So like the title sugests i would like to know if its posible that the note 3 can get burning of the blue subpixels after several months of usage,i want to buy this phone but for me this is a very big drawback beacuse the screen is one of the most important aspects of a smarphone.
My 3 year old SGS has the screen still intact but i can se the pixel degradation but no significant burning just when i put the blue screen i can see a liiitle ghost of the notification bar but very very very dim almost unnoticeable,i have to mention i never used the phone with maximum brightness only in direct sunlight.
I have read some threads about this fact and it seems a general ill amongst the amoled screens so what is the chance i get burning on the note 3?
Thank you!
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The same thing is with my Samsung galaxy S. But as this is 3 years old, it is still very little noticeable (mostly noticeable while white background). I am a big fan of Super AMOLED display of Samsung as it is attractive and looks awesome. I have used my galaxy S2 for more than 2 years and I find no such signs on it. Watch videos on Amoled display and LCD display and you will find a lot of noticeable difference in them, as amoled displays are sweet.
I think it's right choice to buy note3 as 2-3 years will be nice and then the slight change will be there which will be unnoticeable.
If you still are not in favour of note 3, consider buying nexus 5 as it's feature packed and will be the first to receive next android versions.
So I purchased an aftermarket LCD for an S5 I have here. It's for my mother so she wouldn't even notice the difference between AMOLED and LCD once it works. I'm having a problem though that with the new screen the phone keeps hanging on the screen with the Samsung logo and restarting. It can do this multiple times before finally booting whereas with the original broken screen it works first time. Has anyone had a problem like this before and if I was to even use a custom rom should that help? As I said once the phone works that's all she'll care about really.
Did you REALLY think Samsung endorses the use of LCDs? They need a driver, which the ROM doesn't have. All it has are the drivers for the AMOLED panel and the touchscreen IC. LCDs need a separate driver, but the AMOLED LEDs operate independently. Do yourself a favour and get an ORIGINAL AMOLED panel, not some cheap a** chinese clones.
Dude, if you have the money to buy an expensive phone, it's automatically implied that you have the money to service it. You buy phone with AMOLED screen, you pay for the AMOLED screen. Why do you think iPhone screen repairs are so cheap? LCDs are dirt cheap, and most iphone users are dumb enough to not notice the difference in quality.
I've tried an LCD marketed as "Replacement"
it had a blueish tint and no finger hover would work. I had to send it back because of the cheapness. Spend some more 30s and get an original service pack, which also has an already glued double sided tape (which originally as it is, it starts to peel off on my phone)
Yeah that was a dumb idea but in the title he had it listed as amoled. She wouldn't really notice though and I can pay 180 to cex for a working s5 or else 120 for an amoled screen so it's probably better to just get the whole phone which includes a charger too lol.