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4G CONNECTIONS ON YOUR CURRENT PHONE. NOW! MAYBE
Posted by Simon Walker on 17th March 2010
via ANDROIDSPIN.com
Well isn’t this just the week for wild rumors and tipsters.
We just received an anonymous tip informing us some of the carriers have been testing 3G/4G connectivity using existing cell phones that we already own. Apparently the carriers have piggy backed a different signal on the existing cell towers and this signal may be available for us to use.
We have no idea how valid this rumor is but we’ll be doing more investigating to see what we can find out so stay tuned for any updates. I sure don’t want to miss out on the opportunity of getting a 4G connection on my G1 and Nexus.
If you’ve heard anything, please leave us a comment.
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I am already working on implementing this into my ROM, it still is intermittent but I definitely can confirm a 4g connection.
and for the non believers:
cyanogen said:
I have some test code that can't be released yet, but I can confirm that it works on several devices.
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wesgarner said:
hey kudos for the forward on this, will def be implementing this code into my kernel (private branch, sorry)
Seriously guys, we are working around trying to play with this code and see what we can get out of it
Give us a few weeks, but we promise it will make you smile
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HSPA? 3.5G?
are you talking 3.5G aka HSPA 7.2?
Its gonna be a good 6 months to a year before most of us even get the HSPA tower upgrades.
This is exciting!
read my post they already exist, and they are already everywhere, they just havent been "opened" or "released" or "talked" about yet
screenshot of the network strength (4G) in settings please
kingklick said:
screenshot of the network strength (4G) in settings please
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relax and chill for a bit, its far too unstable as of now for any reliability at all, this was just discovered like an hour ago, when i have something stable or another dev here does we will post screenshots and post some **** for you guys to try
bbuchacher said:
read my post they already exist, and they are already everywhere, they just havent been "opened" or "released" or "talked" about yet
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Ben,
Where are you located?
I know they tested random towers (Baltimore) and have been rolling it out to some areas already... but I haven't heard any hype pointing to LA getting it yet.
cal3thousand said:
Ben,
Where are you located?
I know they tested random towers (Baltimore) and have been rolling it out to some areas already... but I haven't heard any hype pointing to LA getting it yet.
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this should be across the entire country, i dunno about Europe, and im in Seattle btw
bbuchacher said:
this should be across the entire country, i dunno about Europe, and im in Seattle btw
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no doubt bro.
by the by, people can stir up bs all they want, but I've never had any issues with you
kingklick said:
no doubt bro.
by the by, people can stir up bs all they want, but I've never had any issues with you
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Likewise~~
Yumm, this sounds exciting.
bbuchacher said:
this should be across the entire country, i dunno about Europe, and im in Seattle btw
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I can confirm this in the Seattle area. we just launched hspa 7.2 upgrade in some networks and at the nok in snoqulmie BUT its not launched yet maybe you could gain intermittent access but not all the time. plus it would waste battery switching back and forth just an fyi might work really well downtown though.....
this was one of the reasons for the radio upgrade. and some of the phones on tmobiles network already has the hardware needed to access hspa
so what exactly is going on? My phone currently support 3.5G or HSDPA
Jedipottsy said:
so what exactly is going on? My phone currently support 3.5G or HSDPA
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Tmobile will be launching 4g soon everything is in place HSPA 7.2 to 21mbps in some places. tmobile will be keeping up with the Joneses
blackerwater said:
Tmobile will be launching 4g soon everything is in place HSPA 7.2 to 21mbps in some places. tmobile will be keeping up with the Joneses
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...nice.
Here's the million dollar question.
...Will it work on our G1s?
G Zero said:
...nice.
Here's the million dollar question.
...Will it work on our G1s?
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YES 7.2mbps will (technically 3.5g) but close enough for us tmobile peps
blackerwater said:
Tmobile will be launching 4g soon everything is in place HSPA 7.2 to 21mbps in some places. tmobile will be keeping up with the Joneses
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i just want them to expand their 3g
rondey- said:
i just want them to expand their 3g
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in all actuality they are expanding there 3g hspa (high speed packet access) witch theoretically can reach speeds of 48 mbps but we will be moving to LTE before we reach those speeds. plus LTE will be cheaper
This is definitely something very interesting, I would love to run my nexus one at 4G.
My email to her is below. But here is her response. So just hold it out people. It is coming. The phone supports it. AT&T just needs to "Turn it on"
Hi Donnie,
This means that the 4g Atrix is going to be ABLE to use the 4G service once it is available however, we do not have the service alive yet therefore you will not get those speeds at this time. We are proactively working on getting the network upgraded. Houston is a HOT spot for this project so I know it will not be long.
Thank you,
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Email i sent to my at&t rep who handles my corp account of about 150 phones.
According to ATT Website the Atrix, supports “4G” By using HSPA+. Houston is a HSPA+ market, but we have been unable to HSPA+ service.
We contacted CS and they said it was prolly a down tower. But I do a lot of driving and know that one tower would not affect all of Houston. So we hit up Google, and the results are disturbing. Motorola says it does not support HSPA+. Yet att website says it does. Many sites say that AT&T has disabled it. We need to know the truth. We bought this phone because it is listed as a 4G phone, but it seems we were misled. If you would please research this and shed some light on the matter.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/331802#331802
http://www.att.com/network/assets/maps/Houston.html
Thanks,
Donnie
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More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.
Hey Donnie,
Had pretty much the same question for my Rep yesterday. Let me go ahead and say that I've yet to go to a market that is HSPA+ with my Atrix; my rep doesn't have one yet, she has an Inspire. She has been in "4G" market coverage where her phone shows 4+, the indication for 4G, and it's faster than her IP3 but not 2x as fast as 4G is supposed to be.
She told me that some markets are "4G" but only in the sense that they are running at 3.1 Mbps, which according to the FCC qualifies, hence At&t saying they have no 4G coverage. 4G being 7.2 Mbps.
She also informed me that At&t is not pushing 4G upgrades so much as they are pushing LTE upgrades, which according to her can run 5x as fast as 4G?
Sorry for the rambling, but I thought you might like that information.
clubtech said:
More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.
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Again at&t will enable it when they want to go live with it. Point is Atrix, supports it. And will when the network is ready.
Not sure what counts as hspa+ speeds but im getting 4.5 mbps down where im sitting right now
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DrakenAlTi said:
Hey Donnie,
Had pretty much the same question for my Rep yesterday. Let me go ahead and say that I've yet to go to a market that is HSPA+ with my Atrix; my rep doesn't have one yet, she has an Inspire. She has been in "4G" market coverage where her phone shows 4+, the indication for 4G, and it's faster than her IP3 but not 2x as fast as 4G is supposed to be.
She told me that some markets are "4G" but only in the sense that they are running at 3.1 Mbps, which according to the FCC qualifies, hence At&t saying they have no 4G coverage. 4G being 7.2 Mbps.
She also informed me that At&t is not pushing 4G upgrades so much as they are pushing LTE upgrades, which according to her can run 5x as fast as 4G?
Sorry for the rambling, but I thought you might like that information.
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Wow really? Theyre not pushing 4g, theyre pushing lte? LTE is 4g. What att is calling 4g now is not 4g its 3g with overhaul. 7.2 mbps? The iphone 3gs could theoretically achieve these speeds but not on att. I like the atrix bht i didnt buy it for (4g) speeds. NO NETWORK HAS TRUE 4G!!!!!!
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donniesd said:
Again at&t will enable it when they want to go live with it. Point is Atrix, supports it. And will when the network is ready.
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We are talking about basic 3g they are disabling here ....nothing to do with hspa+.....
But you can believe whatever you want if it makes you feel better.
I know we're not getting HSPA+ speeds, but there's something even more. I have yet to see someone get more than 400Kbps UPLINK.
This is not just on AT&T.
Can someone ask an AT&T Rep about THAT!
Odd how my Captivate has HSUPA speeds yet my brother's Atrix doesn't... So much for the speeds not being available...
clubtech said:
More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.
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HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. They're separate services. When AT&T enables HSPA+ across the country they'll also most likely send out a patch to enable HSUPA on the devices. Settle down on the conspiracy theories.
HSPA+ isn't enabled because the system isn't finished. We *all* knew this. When it is (in the next month or 2, most likely) they'll enable it and you'll see the difference overnight. My dad's worked for AT&T for 42 years as a repair tech (one of the 2 in this state that upgrade a majority of the HSPA+ and LTE hardware) and said the rough estimate looks like late March or very early April for HSPA+ and LTE in fall.
MarcMaiden said:
Not sure what counts as hspa+ speeds but im getting 4.5 mbps down where im sitting right now
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that is great speeds... im in an area where there is no H+ yet, in greensbroo NC but Charlotte NC has it and we a re the next to get it in NC... and i am getting 3.8 but without the HUSPA, we are getting .3/.4 uploads... no matter how fast our DL's are without an upload to match it... those speeds are kinda pointless
"HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. ...
HSPA+ isn't enabled because"
Well, my phone shows "H+" up top, indicating it is enabled in this area. But AT&T has some clever ideas about hardware deployment. When I called to ask about some problems last year the rep said "Oh, I see there are a number of degraded towers in your area, that could be the problem." "Is there anything else I can help you with today?"
I said "Yes, can you give me Verizon's number? I'd like to ask them how there towers are." <WEG>
Hey, I know one's no better than the other in the big picture. But lord, does the FTC need to make the cellcos ALL COME CLEAN and stop the lies.
Apparently the H+ doesn't necessarily signify HSPA+. Covers 3G and their "4G".
"Question:
What is this "H+" icon on my phone's screen?
Answer:
The "H+" icon is a network indicator. When present, it lets you know that your phone is operating on our 3G or 4G network (where available). "
"Question:
How will I know if I'm on the 4G network vs. your 3G network? Is there any visual indicator on the phone's screen itself?
Answer:
While there is no visual indicator on the phone's screen that differentiates the difference between 3G and 4G data speeds, when experiencing 4G speeds your videos and streaming movies will download/play even faster, web sites will load even faster, and large files will download faster. "
"Question:
Will that "H+" icon ever change to something else? If so, what other icons might I expect to see and what do they mean?
Answer:
The H+ icon will remain lit while connected to either our 3G mobile broadband or 4G network (where available). Should you travel outside of those coverage areas and/or experience extreme network congestion, the icon may display EDGE or E while on our 2G data network or, in some instances, it will display GSM. "
Att rep for our company confirmed that they are working together with verizon to "pull the trigger" on 4g running at full throttle within the next couple of weeks. He showed me some emails and charts showing that they have installed verizon's hardware in their towers and are debugging it now. I did not see that "partnership" coming at all to be honest lol Keeping fingers crossed ))
Hawk375 said:
Apparently the H+ doesn't necessarily signify HSPA+. Covers 3G and their "4G".
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I noticed this up here after doing this MOD. Before the mod the notification bar only showed H+ all of the time. Now it bounced between 3G and H (not sure about H+). I am assuming the display I am getting now is correct.
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HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. They're separate services. When AT&T enables HSPA+ across the country they'll also most likely send out a patch to enable HSUPA on the devices. Settle down on the conspiracy theories.
HSPA+ isn't enabled because the system isn't finished. We *all* knew this. When it is (in the next month or 2, most likely) they'll enable it and you'll see the difference overnight. My dad's worked for AT&T for 42 years as a repair tech (one of the 2 in this state that upgrade a majority of the HSPA+ and LTE hardware) and said the rough estimate looks like late March or very early April for HSPA+ and LTE in fall.
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Okay that makes sense but why is it though that other devices like my unlocked streak or nexus one get much higher upload speeds than the atrix? Is it something in their rom that is allowing them to get good upload and the atrix rom not allowing it to? Trying to make sense of it all.
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Video with proof
It's obvious to everyone now, but I made a video that can easily be shown to anyone who doesn't believe the ATRIX has slower speeds than something like the iPhone.
Show this to AT&T and then they'll shut their mouth about "possibly a defective device."
www[dot]youtube[dot]com/watch?v=X5YMJT08N64&hd=1
I'm sick of this bs. Why cant this company live up to their promises?
the atrix isn't even an HSPA+ device, it has an HSDPA cat 10 modem...
The Atrix is supposed to have the HSPA+ transceiver in it. Whether it is disabled or does not work because the network blocks access since HSPA+ is not fully deployed is a question heavily discussed in other threads in these forums. However, you should realize the LTE requires a different transceiver, which reviews have indicated the Atrix does not have.
So even if LTE is deployed this fall, the best the Atrix will be able to do is HSPA+, not LTE. Supposedly, LTE-capable smartphones are supposed to be announced this summer sometime.
Wanna wait?
wrayrb said:
So even if LTE is deployed this fall, the best the Atrix will be able to do is HSPA+, not LTE. Supposedly, LTE-capable smartphones are supposed to be announced this summer sometime.
Wanna wait?
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Yes, when I see the disaster with Verizon's first LTE phone the HTC Thunderbolt (still not released)....I wanna wait even a bit longer.....I don't wanna be the guinea pig for AT&T.
Hey guys i dont know if this is possible or not but when i was driving to cailfornia throught oregon i was getting G in some areas and then when i was back in washington i had 3g for about 5 minutes on the highway.
(im using it on tmobile usa right now)
Sorry for no screenshots cause im using notchatrix 1.3.1 and it doesnt have screenshot option in the power menue.
(sorry for bad spelling)
Congrats. You were getting (G)PRS, the slowest speed available.
Let us know if you're getting anything faster than 3G showing up. TMO was supposed to roll into AT&T bands by the end of the year and a few cities already have.
nh777 said:
Congrats. You were getting (G)PRS, the slowest speed available.
Let us know if you're getting anything faster than 3G showing up. TMO was supposed to roll into AT&T bands by the end of the year and a few cities already have.
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so your saying it will be possible to get 4g on atrix in about a year on tmobile?
It's already available in some cities and I saw it on my phone for brief periods while on tmo a few months back. If you google "t-mobile 1900" you'll see the announcement and phasing plans, just without any set dates other than a vague "by the end of 2012."
ross1998 said:
so your saying it will be possible to get 4g on atrix in about a year on tmobile?
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Yeah, if you can install a 4G radio in the phone and create the drivers for it, then it might work if you are really lucky and skilled.
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so im going to hawaii and vegas in a couple of days my question is will i get 4G LTE Over There with this phone?
extremetempz said:
so im going to hawaii and vegas in a couple of days my question is will i get 4G LTE Over There with this phone?
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if youre on tmobile, and you set your phone up right, to get lte, then you probably will get lte http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2211618
As stated above, if your phone is set up properly you will. I have friends in both places that are enjoying 4G LTE on their Nexus 4s.
simms22 said:
if youre on tmobile, and you set your phone up right, to get lte, then you probably will get lte http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2211618
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so is Tmobile my best choice for a carrier and is it any good for reception and has it got good deals?
extremetempz said:
so is Tmobile my best choice for a carrier and is it any good for reception and has it got good deals?
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tmobile is great if you live in or near a city, not so good if youre way in the country. tmobile pricing and deals are among the best. for lte, they use band 4, which is what the n4 uses. att uses band 4 in a select very few places, verizon and sprint dont use band 4.
Hey guys I have a question, I'm upgrading from a Nexus 6p. On my current provider I have be reviewing LTE on my Nexus I just got my one plus 5 and now I only get h+. Is there some system devices in the devices that allows the Nexus to interpret the h+ as LTE ? Kinda hate seeing the h+ in the corner there.
biglo said:
Hey guys I have a question, I'm upgrading from a Nexus 6p. On my current provider I have be reviewing LTE on my Nexus I just got my one plus 5 and now I only get h+. Is there some system devices in the devices that allows the Nexus to interpret the h+ as LTE ? Kinda hate seeing the h+ in the corner there.
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You're not getting LTE... 4G should be displayed for LTE.
Have you updated to 4.5.5 already? 4.5.4 was a fix for vodafone NL users with this exact problem.
Please share country and provider.
Hey guys sorrry for the late reply. I have the latest version of OOS 4.5.5. current country is Turks and Caicos Islands and provider is Flow.
Do you know what LTE bands your carrier uses?
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You're not getting LTE... 4G should be displayed for LTE.
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Mine shown "LTE" for LTE, not 4G. I get the H+ when on HSPA+ (TMobile here, FTR).
I don't think I've ever seen "4G". Maybe it's because TMo has multiple technologies it markets as 4G, so it's ambiguous.
Koodo in Canada also displays 4G+ for LTE. But if on a Telus SIM (same network as Koodo) it shows up as LTE. Speeds are the same. Looks like the OnePlus database for carriers is not really up to date.
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Koodo in Canada also displays 4G+ for LTE. But if on a Telus SIM (same network as Koodo) it shows up as LTE. Speeds are the same. Looks like the OnePlus database for carriers is not really up to date.
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Yeah this is what I'm thinking is going on.
yubimusubi said:
Mine shown "LTE" for LTE, not 4G. I get the H+ when on HSPA+ (TMobile here, FTR).
I don't think I've ever seen "4G". Maybe it's because TMo has multiple technologies it markets as 4G, so it's ambiguous.
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Sorry, I meant for my country. I live in Oz, here we have 4G.
If LTE/4G was working properly for the OP then either LTE or 4G should be displayed, NOT H+ which is HSDPA (3G) here in Australia.
yubimusubi said:
Mine shown "LTE" for LTE, not 4G. I get the H+ when on HSPA+ (TMobile here, FTR).
I don't think I've ever seen "4G". Maybe it's because TMo has multiple technologies it markets as 4G, so it's ambiguous.
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Yes I remember I had an HTC One device and when I used it with my carrier I would always get the H+ but when I flashed a rom and selected Tmobile as my carrier the 4G icon showed up for me. I wish I knew where to go to alter these settings to have the H+ show up as LTE or 4G for me like tmobile does or like my Nexus device did. (Even if its fake lol)
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Do you know what LTE bands your carrier uses?
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Ok I had some time to do some research today after work and found out the cold hard truth. My carriers LATE band is 13 which is not supported on this device. FML
biglo said:
Ok I had some time to do some research today after work and found out the cold hard truth. My carriers LATE band is 13 which is not supported on this device. FML
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Yeah, it sucks, that's the main band missing for Verizon as well.
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Yeah, it sucks, that's the main band missing for Verizon as well.
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Yeah I just noticed that after all this searching around, WTF kind of dumb move is that to alienate all those version users like that. Smh the reason why I didn't even take the time out to see if my band was included before purchasing was because of the news the released about how much more LATE bands they were including with this model.